Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ben wood on December 13, 2012, 09:23:37 pm
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Today I went through 400 litres on my own and I finished at 3pm. And people who run two man van how much do you use
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Turn down the flow.
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My varistream was only set to 4 and I Use a tap
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All depends on size of houses first cleans etc.
I use between 250-300lts on my own.
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Today I done 6 3 bed bungalows with former window 3 had connys, 4 3 bad semi's 2 with connys 1 was a first clean. And 3 2 bed flats. I can't see why I am using so much water
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Today I done 6 3 bed bungalows with former window 3 had connys, 4 3 bad semi's 2 with connys 1 was a first clean. And 3 2 bed flats. I can't see why I am using so much water
Seems a little to much water, try turning it down a little, if you have a tap try using that alittle more, like when u finish front turn off then walk round back, turn off when u finish back then back to van etc
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I know what you mean but I already turn it off when moving maybe I will try it on 3 tomorrow
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I know what you mean but I already turn it off when moving maybe I will try it on 3 tomorrow
ok then, dont take this the wrong way or anything,
do you trust your water and rinsing??
could be that you are rinsing more than you have to? that could use more water
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I was thinking the same Mate. I am thinking of buying some low pressure fan jets from gardiners and see if this helps
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Hell no richard.
One of my chaps will get through 600 or more.
A higher flow rate is nicer and faster to work with and does a better job than a dribble. Alot of guys dont have the balls to do a proper job of going over to WFP, buy a silly little tank then realise it doesnt last so work with a drible. IMO each operator should have at least 500l at their disposal each day.
Water and filtration is NOT expensive!
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Hell no richard.
One of my chaps will get through 600 or more.
A higher flow rate is nicer and faster to work with and does a better job than a dribble. Alot of guys dont have the balls to do a proper job of going over to WFP, buy a silly little tank then realise it doesnt last so work with a drible. IMO each operator should have at least 500l at their disposal each day.
Water and filtration is NOT expensive!
sorry thats rubbish, you dont need to use that much atall. and its not dribbling out.
with my trolly system i made i can use 25lts for 4 terraced houses and have a great finish on them. there is no need to use much atall.
between me and a mate i cleaned 78 flats with only 400lts of water!
your right water and filteration in not expensive, but dont mean you have to use a lot.
rice is cheap, but i dont cook 5kg of it for a meal!
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I was thinking the same Mate. I am thinking of buying some low pressure fan jets from gardiners and see if this helps
ive used fan jets in the past, not the low pressure ones that are about now, but i found i used a little more water and the power wasnt in them ones to push bits off the windows,
but the new ones might be a lot better now.
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I watched a vid posted on here other day and tested it out and work perfect!
Go over frame, go over window from left to right then right to left with brush and rinse off with roughly 5cm between rinsing.
I must admit we over scrubbed and rinsed but now use way less water doing it this way.
We use Auadapters as well and probably use 500/600 litres between 2 on a full day on average.
Some days we have used 700ltrs.
We turnover at least 75p per litre of pure water used.
Obviously there are better days but as a min this is what we use and make per litre of pure.
Today even in the cold we used i reckon 400/450 litres with the flow turned up and it worked out at over 80p turnover per litre of pure used.
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Sorry richard, Guess I dont know what im talking about there.
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I watched a vid posted on here other day and tested it out and work perfect!
Go over frame, go over window from left to right then right to left with brush and rinse off with roughly 5cm between rinsing.
I must admit we over scrubbed and rinsed but now use way less water doing it this way.
We use Auadapters as well and probably use 500/600 litres between 2 on a full day on average.
Some days we have used 700ltrs.
We turnover at least 75p per litre of pure water used.
Obviously there are better days but as a min this is what we use and make per litre of pure.
Today even in the cold we used i reckon 400/450 litres with the flow turned up and it worked out at over 80p turnover per litre of pure used.
just shows you dont it, that some guys over do it, sounds like you got it down to an art now tho!
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Hell no richard.
One of my chaps will get through 600 or more.
A higher flow rate is nicer and faster to work with and does a better job than a dribble. Alot of guys dont have the balls to do a proper job of going over to WFP, buy a silly little tank then realise it doesnt last so work with a drible. IMO each operator should have at least 500l at their disposal each day.
Water and filtration is NOT expensive!
like, I agree
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Sorry richard, Guess I dont know what im talking about there.
not saying you dont. most people use loads of water, over scrub and over rince, because they think they have to. i used to when i first started off, then i just tried it at home to see what i can get away with on my own windows.
i trust my water and brushes. my water never gose over 002ppm and brushes are cleaned each night.
you would be shocked on how little you need. i tried just a quick spray on the window, turned it of, scrubed it a few times, then rinsed it down. when it was dry there was no spotting or anything left on the window.
not all windows are like that and do need a little more water, but try it at home on a window and see what effects it has when you use less water.
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We dont over scrub or over rinse we just do a shear volume of work a day, and because of that thats how much we use. No late starts at my end mate. vans leave the yard at 8pm and come back 4.30 5 days a week, week in week out.
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We dont over scrub or over rinse we just do a shear volume of work a day, and because of that thats how much we use. No late starts at my end mate. vans leave the yard at 8pm and come back 4.30 5 days a week, week in week out.
8pm? 8am-4.30pm?
my first commercail job i have to be there for 7am, then i go out and do my domestic, then back home by 4pm. like i say best i got out my van is 78 properies, only carry 400lts of water!
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if it works for you then it works for you.
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We dont over scrub or over rinse we just do a shear volume of work a day, and because of that thats how much we use. No late starts at my end mate. vans leave the yard at 8pm and come back 4.30 5 days a week, week in week out.
8pm? 8am-4.30pm?
my first commercail job i have to be there for 7am, then i go out and do my domestic, then back home by 4pm. like i say best i got out my van is 78 properies, only carry 400lts of water!
or use a higher flow and be back for 2pm 3pm ;) you will save time
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We dont over scrub or over rinse we just do a shear volume of work a day, and because of that thats how much we use. No late starts at my end mate. vans leave the yard at 8pm and come back 4.30 5 days a week, week in week out.
8pm? 8am-4.30pm?
my first commercail job i have to be there for 7am, then i go out and do my domestic, then back home by 4pm. like i say best i got out my van is 78 properies, only carry 400lts of water!
or use a higher flow and be back for 2pm 3pm ;) you will save time
im not disagreing with that one, but thats also if you know how to work with a high flow rate too! some people have the high flow rate on there and still move like a snail, so wasting more water than needed.
its all a learning curve to find out whats best for you, i work with a lower rate of water, work a little longer and still be fine. some people burn them selves out trying to work fast, make mistakes and miss things if they are not used to it
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just an video to show what test you can do to find what suits u
http://youtu.be/re2CdgRbSsE
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We dont over scrub or over rinse we just do a shear volume of work a day, and because of that thats how much we use. No late starts at my end mate. vans leave the yard at 8pm and come back 4.30 5 days a week, week in week out.
8pm? 8am-4.30pm?
my first commercail job i have to be there for 7am, then i go out and do my domestic, then back home by 4pm. like i say best i got out my van is 78 properies, only carry 400lts of water!
or use a higher flow and be back for 2pm 3pm ;) you will save time
im not disagreing with that one, but thats also if you know how to work with a high flow rate too! some people have the high flow rate on there and still move like a snail, so wasting more water than needed.
its all a learning curve to find out whats best for you, i work with a lower rate of water, work a little longer and still be fine. some people burn them selves out trying to work fast, make mistakes and miss things if they are not used to it
fair enough comment ;)
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We dont over scrub or over rinse we just do a shear volume of work a day, and because of that thats how much we use. No late starts at my end mate. vans leave the yard at 8pm and come back 4.30 5 days a week, week in week out.
8pm? 8am-4.30pm?
my first commercail job i have to be there for 7am, then i go out and do my domestic, then back home by 4pm. like i say best i got out my van is 78 properies, only carry 400lts of water!
or use a higher flow and be back for 2pm 3pm ;) you will save time
im not disagreing with that one, but thats also if you know how to work with a high flow rate too! some people have the high flow rate on there and still move like a snail, so wasting more water than needed.
its all a learning curve to find out whats best for you, i work with a lower rate of water, work a little longer and still be fine. some people burn them selves out trying to work fast, make mistakes and miss things if they are not used to it
fair enough comment ;)
like the saying goes, got to learn to walk before you can run! lol
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just an video to show what test you can do to find what suits u
http://youtu.be/re2CdgRbSsE
Watched the video but where are the results?????
Bit pointless without them.
G.
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just an video to show what test you can do to find what suits u
http://youtu.be/re2CdgRbSsE
Watched the video but where are the results?????
Bit pointless without them.
G.
i know what you mean, they never did a follow up on it!
but they did say that you only need to do 2!
try it for yourself i did!
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Are you over washing and rinsing each window?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2CdgRbSsE&feature=player_embedded
My biggest problem is over cleaning and rinsing.
thats what i posted up earler, good video, but shame they dont show results
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just an video to show what test you can do to find what suits u
http://youtu.be/re2CdgRbSsE
Watched the video but where are the results?????
Bit pointless without them.
G.
You got bored and didn't listen carefully enough. ;D
He just doesn't seem to be comfortable using a pole, let alone training others to use it.
However, the point he makes is good and this experiment is a must for each of us to do.
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just an video to show what test you can do to find what suits u
http://youtu.be/re2CdgRbSsE
Watched the video but where are the results?????
Bit pointless without them.
G.
i was going to say he needs to either use a different pole of change his technique ;D
But hes trying to help so fair play to him I say.
You got bored and didn't listen carefully enough. ;D
He just doesn't seem to be comfortable using a pole, let alone training others to use it.
However, the point he makes is good and this experiment is a must for each of us to do.
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Are you over washing and rinsing each window?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2CdgRbSsE&feature=player_embedded
My biggest problem is over cleaning and rinsing.
thats what i posted up earler, good video, but shame they dont show results
Sorry Richard,
I didn't click on you post link until after I posted my reply - when I did that I deleted my post, but you 'grabbed' it before I deleted it. ;)
He does mention 'by mistake' that 2 aggitations are all that is required to get the window clean. This is the same advise that Alex Gardiner gave a number of years ago - 2 passes with the brush and rinse.
Trouble is I over clean and rinse - hence wasting water and time.
When son in law joined us (previously trad) he quickly found that minimal washing and rinsing was fine. He was so much faster than I am. I have checked his windows from time to time and they are fine.
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Are you over washing and rinsing each window?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2CdgRbSsE&feature=player_embedded
My biggest problem is over cleaning and rinsing.
thats what i posted up earler, good video, but shame they dont show results
Sorry Richard,
I didn't click on you post link until after I posted my reply - when I did that I deleted my post, but you 'grabbed' it before I deleted it. ;)
He does mention 'by mistake' that 2 aggitations are all that is required to get the window clean. This is the same advise that Alex Gardiner gave a number of years ago - 2 passes with the brush and rinse.
Trouble is I over clean and rinse - hence wasting water and time.
When son in law joined us (previously trad) he quickly found that minimal washing and rinsing was fine. He was so much faster than I am. I have checked his windows from time to time and they are fine.
no need to be sorry, they say great minds think alike! lol
yer i was like that when i first started with wfp, then soon managed to cut down. its just being able to trust what you are doing, try it for yourself sometime and see how you get on
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just an video to show what test you can do to find what suits u
http://youtu.be/re2CdgRbSsE
Watched the video but where are the results?????
Bit pointless without them.
G.
i was going to say he needs to either use a different pole of change his technique ;D
But hes trying to help so fair play to him I say.
You got bored and didn't listen carefully enough. ;D
He just doesn't seem to be comfortable using a pole, let alone training others to use it.
However, the point he makes is good and this experiment is a must for each of us to do.
Hi Ian
I agree. His technique isn't a good advert for his poles that he manufacturers and supplies.
In each of his videos he is like this, but it could be because of the camera.
I have stated before that poorly presented help videos, although informative, can destroy a company's image - sales and training are all about image and customer/client perceptions. Sometimes its difficult to look past the poor production and look at the content.
In this case, the content is very good, its just not presented very well. Ten out of ten for an enthusiastic presentation though.
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Are you over washing and rinsing each window?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2CdgRbSsE&feature=player_embedded
My biggest problem is over cleaning and rinsing.
thats what i posted up earler, good video, but shame they dont show results
Sorry Richard,
I didn't click on you post link until after I posted my reply - when I did that I deleted my post, but you 'grabbed' it before I deleted it. ;)
He does mention 'by mistake' that 2 aggitations are all that is required to get the window clean. This is the same advise that Alex Gardiner gave a number of years ago - 2 passes with the brush and rinse.
Trouble is I over clean and rinse - hence wasting water and time.
When son in law joined us (previously trad) he quickly found that minimal washing and rinsing was fine. He was so much faster than I am. I have checked his windows from time to time and they are fine.
no need to be sorry, they say great minds think alike! lol
yer i was like that when i first started with wfp, then soon managed to cut down. its just being able to trust what you are doing, try it for yourself sometime and see how you get on
No Richard, if you are comparing your mind to mine, I'm afraid you are 'short changing yourself'. I do appreciate the complement though. ;D
My son says that to watch me on the glass is a revelation sometimes. He says that I'm the only one he has ever seen that can slip into a coma standing up and still remain on my feet. He is probably right, because I can be working away, click back into the real world and have no recollection of what I have recently done.
Because of this, I usually check each window before leaving to do the next house.
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Are you over washing and rinsing each window?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re2CdgRbSsE&feature=player_embedded
My biggest problem is over cleaning and rinsing.
thats what i posted up earler, good video, but shame they dont show results
Sorry Richard,
I didn't click on you post link until after I posted my reply - when I did that I deleted my post, but you 'grabbed' it before I deleted it. ;)
He does mention 'by mistake' that 2 aggitations are all that is required to get the window clean. This is the same advise that Alex Gardiner gave a number of years ago - 2 passes with the brush and rinse.
Trouble is I over clean and rinse - hence wasting water and time.
When son in law joined us (previously trad) he quickly found that minimal washing and rinsing was fine. He was so much faster than I am. I have checked his windows from time to time and they are fine.
no need to be sorry, they say great minds think alike! lol
yer i was like that when i first started with wfp, then soon managed to cut down. its just being able to trust what you are doing, try it for yourself sometime and see how you get on
No Richard, if you are comparing your mind to mine, I'm afraid you are 'short changing yourself'. I do appreciate the complement though. ;D
My son says that to watch me on the glass is a revelation sometimes. He says that I'm the only one he has ever seen that can slip into a coma standing up and still remain on my feet. He is probably right, because I can be working away, click back into the real world and have no recollection of what I have recently done.
Because of this, I usually check each window before leaving to do the next house.
lol u never know! lol
well at least checking your work is not a bad habbit to be in, ive seen wfp guys that just walk away from the house and when i looked at the doors there was still muck that wasnt washed off,
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I don't think he presents that bad
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You got bored and didn't listen carefully enough. ;D
Didn't find it boring - quite the opposite I have watched quite a few of his videos.
Just think it would have more impact if he had shown the before and after to back up what he was demonstrating.
Problem is I need a bigger house :D :D.
I do so many experiments on mine the windows don't have time to get dirty again like in "real life."
I do stop and check houses I have cleaned on the way round during the day if they have dried off.
I'm sure I overscrub and over rinse but I'd rather that than have complaints.
G.
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My varistream was only set to 4 and I Use a tap
I find that 4 is the max I can set mine at.
I love to work with 5 or even 6, but I don't work quicker, I just waste water.
Lee runs a very successful business, so if his guys use 600 litres each a day, great, I could also use that amount, but I wouldn't be doing much more than working with 4. I can only work with No4, anything higher for me is a waste. The younger guys should achieve more though.
In the early days we used 1/2" hose, Shurflo pumps running flat out with 3mm jets in the Vikan brushes with Unger Teleplus poles. 450 litres finished before 3 o'clock.
We upgraded to minibore hose, 2mm jets, Varistreams and Carbon fibre poles with Bentley brushes and did more work a day using less water as we had enough to work till 5.
However, when I use our backpack, I notice how much time I waste rinsing with a very low flow rate.
In the old days we didn't have a fast producing R/O, now we have a 4040. Its better to use too much water and waste a bit than wasting time with a too low flow rate.
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Woods
As said by mgba_78, get an aqua-dapter save 25% on your water.
mgba_78
any chance of link to that video might find it helpful thanks.
Lee
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I work 9-4 and very rarely use more than 350 litres with my flow set at 45 out of 99 ;)
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So would a 650 tank be enough for two people on a normal day of regular cleans using aquadapters 830am to 430pm
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So would a 650 tank be enough for two people on a normal day of regular cleans using aquadapters 830am to 430pm
should be, even if you use just a tap instead of adaptors it should be fine
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Cheers mate
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Today I went through 400 litres on my own and I finished at 3pm. And people who run two man van how much do you use
sounds about right to me. Spot on lee.
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Hell no richard.
One of my chaps will get through 600 or more.
A higher flow rate is nicer and faster to work with and does a better job than a dribble. Alot of guys dont have the balls to do a proper job of going over to WFP, buy a silly little tank then realise it doesnt last so work with a drible. IMO each operator should have at least 500l at their disposal each day.
Water and filtration is NOT expensive!
spot on lee. My 2 guys go through 800 ltr per day!
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Clarkes 1mm welding tips fit perfectly in Gardiners brushes , They allow you to run on a lower flow rate but provides a higher pressure rinse . Mike
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I tend to rinse more on phobic glass because thats where i seem to get the problems, when it sheets i rinse quicker. i just wonder in that video if he would have rinsed the same if the gass was hydrophobic, or is it just me . .j.
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lol..... ;D....lee your an inspiration.... its all about water and we need plenty...
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Hell no richard.
One of my chaps will get through 600 or more.
A higher flow rate is nicer and faster to work with and does a better job than a dribble. Alot of guys dont have the balls to do a proper job of going over to WFP, buy a silly little tank then realise it doesnt last so work with a drible. IMO each operator should have at least 500l at their disposal eac
Water and filtration is NOT expensive!
spot on lee. My 2 guys go through 800 ltr per day!
i would t says thats spot on, mine dont use that on maintenance work max is about 650l I used to have a really high low rate too but there is a lot of waste water streaming off sills whilst still scrubbing so turned it down same speed less waste. My guys work 8 hours and do shear volume of work too.
I do agree water is cheap to produce