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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on December 13, 2012, 02:22:48 pm
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We want something more substantial in terms of heat resistance from boiler to reel.
Can you please post pictures or links and info on what you use.
Many thanks
Lee
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We want something more substantial in terms of heat resistance from boiler to reel.
Can you please post pictures or links and info on what you use.
Many thanks
Lee
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Red-washing-machine-hose-/320459622909?pt=UK_Home_Garden_Washing_Machines_Dryers_Parts_Accessories_ET&hash=item4a9ce1c9fd
cut off angled end and put brass hoselock type fitting on other end. sorted ;)
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car rad hose about £2 a metre
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Caravan hot water hose
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2-id-RE-INFORCED-HOT-WATER-HOSE-RED-per-metre-caravan-motorhome-/271104019163?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item3f1f0f0adb
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Caravan hot water hose
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-2-id-RE-INFORCED-HOT-WATER-HOSE-RED-per-metre-caravan-motorhome-/271104019163?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories&hash=item3f1f0f0adb
I like the look of that, How hot have you had it and does it go like jelly?
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Gets very supple, but there it just sits there and does nothing, as its just a feed ppe.
Had it red hot from LPG heater on one reel.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EPDM-SAEJ20R3-Flexible-Rubber-Car-Heater-Radiator-Coolant-Hose-Engine-Water-Pipe-/270920668411?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&var=&hash=item3f142154fb
13mm od I think I used. Doesn't fit brass hozelock fittings but will fit the normal yellow/metal fittings.
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Yellow garden hose
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Deffinetly car radiator hose alOng with brass hose locks-the ones that are help on by jubilee clips.
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Alex did source a barbed hozelock connector once so that the fatter radiator hoses could be jubilee clipped on. The car hoses tend to have thick walls and a bigger outside diameter.
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Stainless braided boiler loop hose
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Gets very supple, but there it just sits there and does nothing, as its just a feed ppe.
Had it red hot from LPG heater on one reel.
actually, remembering now, it did expand a bit, and the hozelocks were a pig to get on.
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I suck through my heater so I have cold washing machine pipe from filter to heater, then braded hose from heater to pump and radiator hose to reel.
The washing machine and braded hose are great because they have the threaded fittings already on to connect to the heater.
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Alex did source a barbed hozelock connector once so that the fatter radiator hoses could be jubilee clipped on. The car hoses tend to have thick walls and a bigger outside diameter.
These are the hozelocks I use, just warm the rad hose and it pushed on no problems.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brass-Hozelock-Quick-Release-Coupling-2-size-hose-tail-1-2-3-4-12-19mm-/160934289395?
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Its ok im sorted now.
Ionic do a 1/2inch hose for hot and there orange 8mm RX reel hose is designed for hot also.
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End of week = messy
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my word alex! are you a plumber
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No.
Just sick of leaks
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End of week = messy
Nice to see someone else use house grade plumbing pipe and fittings with there set up!
Everything from my static ro system to my van is fitted out with that sort of pipe!
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Alex, what is the hose fitting that you have got going to the standard hose reel?
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Alex, what is the hose fitting that you have got going to the standard hose reel?
Here you go Lee
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plumbing/Flexible+Connectors/Flexible+Tap+Connector+15mm+x+12+10mm+Bore+300mm/d20/sd2807/p29829
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Alex, what is the hose fitting that you have got going to the standard hose reel?
Here you go Lee
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Plumbing/Flexible+Connectors/Flexible+Tap+Connector+15mm+x+12+10mm+Bore+300mm/d20/sd2807/p29829
How does that connect to the reel and allow to spin with the reel?
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hi lee I use the red hose from a washing machine, screws straight onto the heater,I then cut the other end of and jubileed it onto a free spinning steel connector (which then screws onto hose reel) bought from a pneumatics company at the cost of £44, they told me not to use brass for hot as not upto it, I can now run at insanely hot temperatures if I wish
Graham
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WOW , just when you thought you had wfp mastered now you have to enrol on a plumbing/central heating course!! Good luck you lot!
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hi lee I use the red hose from a washing machine, screws straight onto the heater,I then cut the other end of and jubileed it onto a free spinning steel connector (which then screws onto hose reel) bought from a pneumatics company at the cost of £44, they told me not to use brass for hot as not upto it, I can now run at insanely hot temperatures if I wish
Graham
Think you was done there! In plumbing in the house the fittings used inside the boilers are brass! Being in the plumbing trade myself you know these things.
Most brass fittings have a temperature range of -53°c to 121°c.
I used one of these on my hose http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/hozelock-type-brass-hose-reel-fitting-swivel-elbow.html
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WOW , just when you thought you had wfp mastered now you have to enrol on a plumbing/central heating course!! Good luck you lot!
i did that few years back, I kid you not
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Washing machine hose is ok, But you cant tighten it enough, mine blew several times.
Lee that connector is 3/4 BSP it screws directly onto the hose reel, with the help of some PTF tape.
It spins at the push fit connector end, im not sure about the longevity of this yet as I have only been using it for 4 weeks, but it spins beautifully, and does leak a drop.
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Washing machine hose is ok, But you cant tighten it enough, mine blew several times.
Lee that connector is 3/4 BSP it screws directly onto the hose reel, with the help of some PTF tape.
It spins at the push fit connector end, im not sure about the longevity of this yet as I have only been using it for 4 weeks, but it spins beautifully, and does leak a drop.
if you allow it to spin at the push fit titting then you will get leaks, in the fitting there are metal bits that grip onto the plastic, each turn they will be cutting a nice grove around the plastic. also you will wear the rubber washer out too!
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Nice setup Alex, I can vaguely remember you showing it to me, but things must have changed a little. What temp/pressure is the plastic pipe rated at?
I've got the braided hose coming directly from the heater as it's usually the hottest there, and provides a great leak free connection on the hotwash. From that it's just a john guest push fit barb to reinforced hose with a jubilee clip on the hose reel.
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
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Yea that's a major problem area. You know the sealant I used for the mushroom vent on my old van? That's water, heat and cold proof and sets even when wet. I've thought about coating the barb in that, put the hose over it and then use a jubilee clip. Just a temporary measure, I'm looking at some proper fittings from various companies.
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Yeah you need some high pressure fittings ideally. When I get a new van Ill fit it out properly, I hate fiddling of an evening or when at work
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
i'll have to take a video of how i plumbed mine it. for just £5 something + vat and p&p for the correct fitting mine will never leak or need replacing.
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heres mine
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/003-15.jpg)
and as a added bonus, you can see how my boiler is set on a frosty day ;D
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
i'll have to take a video of how i plumbed mine it. for just £5 something + vat and p&p for the correct fitting mine will never leak or need replacing.
I think telling us what fitting you used might be a lot quicker. :D
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
i'll have to take a video of how i plumbed mine it. for just £5 something + vat and p&p for the correct fitting mine will never leak or need replacing.
I think telling us what fitting you used might be a lot quicker. :D
if you read back on this page you will see the link to it that i put up!
but here it is again:-
I used one of these on my hose http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/hozelock-type-brass-hose-reel-fitting-swivel-elbow.html
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Apologies, I thought you mean hose reel to microbore connector. That's where the real problem is. Yea they are okay, but have found only the Hoselok pro metal connectors to be any good.
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Apologies, I thought you mean hose reel to microbore connector. That's where the real problem is. Yea they are okay, but have found only the Hoselok pro metal connectors to be any good.
its ok, yer they have been a problem at times, on my hose reel i have a jubilee clip and 2 'o' rings holding mine on.
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
I use 1 heater for 2 reels. I use the hoselock 4 port thing like Roy harding, the rad hose with brass hoselocks hens on with jubilee clips to the reels I haven't had any problem with this setup, no hoses popping off. My only problem which isn't heat related, is the elbows coming from the reels, if they are pulled slightly at the wrong direction they leak.
I like the look of you connector on your reel, can you update us as to the longivity of it? ;D
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
i'll have to take a video of how i plumbed mine it. for just £5 something + vat and p&p for the correct fitting mine will never leak or need replacing.
I think telling us what fitting you used might be a lot quicker. :D
if you read back on this page you will see the link to it that i put up!
but here it is again:-
I used one of these on my hose http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/hozelock-type-brass-hose-reel-fitting-swivel-elbow.html
Be there done that, leaks under hot pressure,
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
I use 1 heater for 2 reels. I use the hoselock 4 port thing like Roy harding, the rad hose with brass hoselocks hens on with jubilee clips to the reels I haven't had any problem with this setup, no hoses popping off. My only problem which isn't heat related, is the elbows coming from the reels, if they are pulled slightly at the wrong direction they leak.
I like the look of you connector on your reel, can you update us as to the longivity of it? ;D
I will I give my stuff some pretty hard use, So if I cant make something fail, IT WONT
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If it doesn't spin you wont get any water. If i have to replace it every 4-8 weeks I couldn't care less. Im sick to death of leaks!
Its rated at 12 Bar @ 20 deg and then decreases to 4 Bar @ 82 deg 3 Bar @ 98 deg
4 Bar is about 60psi. That's why I used the copped pipe coming straight out of the boiler. I once blew a hole in the Barrier Pipe.
I couldn't use jubilee fastenings any more, because I use one heater for two reels, when there are two of us working and one stops his flow, the heat in the other reel increases significantly so much so that it blew regularly.
We've been using this for 4 weeks now and not has a single blow. The only problem which I'm sorting out as well speak, is how the hose joins the reel. This is my only weak point especially if I have reeled out 80m of hose.
i'll have to take a video of how i plumbed mine it. for just £5 something + vat and p&p for the correct fitting mine will never leak or need replacing.
I think telling us what fitting you used might be a lot quicker. :D
if you read back on this page you will see the link to it that i put up!
but here it is again:-
I used one of these on my hose http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/hozelock-type-brass-hose-reel-fitting-swivel-elbow.html
Be there done that, leaks under hot pressure,
guess you fitted it wrong then, mines been on hot pressure and the temp running at max of 54c and had no leaks from it what so ever! its now been on for 3 months!
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heres mine
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/003-15.jpg)
and as a added bonus, you can see how my boiler is set on a frosty day ;D
Very sloppy set up I must say! You've got your controls on upside down!
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Be there done that, leaks under hot pressure,
Odd, mine never did.
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heres mine
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/003-15.jpg)
and as a added bonus, you can see how my boiler is set on a frosty day ;D
Very sloppy set up I must say! You've got your controls on upside down!
no the controls are on the right way, its the larger side that has a grove in them to point to where they are set!
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You have no leaks what so ever from boiler to hose reel using Hozelock? No drips?
54 deg isn't hot enough for me. It needs to be at least 70deg coming out of boiler for two reels, to have a decent temp at the brush
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You have no leaks what so ever from boiler to hose reel using Hozelock? No drips?
54 deg isn't hot enough for me. It needs to be at least 70deg coming out of boiler for two reels, to have a decent temp at the brush
no i have no hozelock execpt for that fitting, i have pictures that i have just uploaded to my pc that im putting up on here.
the 54 deg is waht the box says that comes out i havent tested it myself. you dont need it to be that hot atall, in this weather any hot water can crack the glass,
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1355489525_Northampton-20121214-00058.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1355489554_Northampton-20121214-00059.jpg)
here are 2 quick pictures of my set up, with this rain im not spendin long out in it with my camera!
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That connector is much better.
54deg is way to cold, by the time it gets to brush will a good run of hose its almost 30deg. I like 50 deg a brush
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That connector is much better.
54deg is way to cold, by the time it gets to brush will a good run of hose its almost 30deg. I like 50 deg a brush
like i say the 54 is what they say it is, i still have to test it to find out what the temps really are.
they say that, for example if the temp on the glass is -1c then the hotest you can use on it without it cracking is 20c highter in temp.
plus hotter water damages the rubber seals on windows, and the hotter the water, the quicker it freezes too!
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Alex, I used to know a guy called Ernie Wingrove who used to produce pluming like that. :)
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Alex, I used to know a guy called Ernie Wingrove who used to produce pluming like that. :)
Well if Its my dad then I guess you still know him. He is still alive. And I don't know if that was a complement or not :)
Its all my plumbing, but maybe subconsciously he had a part to play
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Alex, Just messing with you man! I knew your dad back in 82. Top bloke! :)
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Hmmm what happened in 82.
Sound like a refurb or something