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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jonny D on December 11, 2012, 10:27:20 am
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Today all the houses I have done the water is freezing on the windows. The first couple there was no one in but the last 2 the customers were in and complained about their windows being covered in ice. What do I do? I don't want to keep working if the windows will still be covered in ice when the customer gets home and they refuse to pay or do I just carry on and hope for the best?
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Get the ladder out ;D
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Today all the houses I have done the water is freezing on the windows. The first couple there was no one in but the last 2 the customers were in and complained about their windows being covered in ice. What do I do? I don't want to keep working if the windows will still be covered in ice when the customer gets home and they refuse to pay or do I just carry on and hope for the best?
if its freezing when water is going on glass keep cleaning it as the ice will melt, nothing you can do about if it refreezes after I certainly would not be be getting a ladder out, I would trad bottom windows they look out if they complain apart from that I would carry on, very few are normally at home on my work just explain it will dry fine if not to call you and you will come back and fix it
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
dirt in ice can scratch the window. The water you use is not frozen so out more water on the glass it will warm to that temp giving plenty if time to get the dirt off I'm talking normal house windows not 20ft wide ones on commercial
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I am about 7 miles from jonny d and the trouble is the water is freezing before you can get to scrub the windows, sure some older heated ones are fine but more are not, and the temperatures are not set to rise above zero until friday so any frozen windows will stay like that, anyway just having a coffee and filling my trad bucket and I am off to do what little trad jobs I have due although my brother just phoned me to say that isn't much better and he has a list of work to redo when the temps rise again
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I am about 7 miles from jonny d and the trouble is the water is freezing before you can get to scrub the windows, sure some older heated ones are fine but more are not, and the temperatures are not set to rise above zero until friday so any frozen windows will stay like that, anyway just having a coffee and filling my trad bucket and I am off to do what little trad jobs I have due although my brother just phoned me to say that isn't much better and he has a list of work to redo when the temps rise again
Stuart, I meant if the water is coming out of your brush then you can clean, you just need a higher than normal flow rate it will heat the glass enough to clean (normally) as I am no where near where ever both are it could be -50 for all I know, I was just trying to help the guy. if its freezing at brush head then I would be joining you for coffee :)
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Ian,
Leave some pure water out and let it freeze.
Rub it against your windows and I guarantee that they will scratch.
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to be fair the OP is doing better than me, I can't get my system going at all, bad prep from my part ;D will sort it for tomorrow
and I know what you are saying Ian, I usually do the same when I know temps will rise and the odd frozen window will melt clean
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Ian,
Leave some pure water out and let it freeze.
Rub it against your windows and I guarantee that they will scratch.
ok will try that hold on
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Ian,
Leave some pure water out and let it freeze.
Rub it against your windows and I guarantee that they will scratch.
If it sunk the Titanic.......... ;D
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And gorged out Glencoe....... :o
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I did a house last year with a mahoosive conservatory. The house was great; no problems; it was heated.
But I left the whole conservatory looking like frosted glass. As soon as the water ran down and I was rinsing; it froze.
I said to the customer, "It should melt and dry clean, if it doesn't, call me". She paid and never called me, so I assume it was okay?
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Today all the houses I have done the water is freezing on the windows. The first couple there was no one in but the last 2 the customers were in and complained about their windows being covered in ice. What do I do? I don't want to keep working if the windows will still be covered in ice when the customer gets home and they refuse to pay or do I just carry on and hope for the best?
done a couple in the shade water froze on windows about 9.30 this morning tried trading same happened.i gave up until 11.30 when the temp was up a bit. -4 it was.
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we have been wfp allday in brimingham no problen on comerical property
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we have been wfp allday in brimingham no problen on comerical property
obviously not cold then like -6
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we have been wfp allday in brimingham no problen on comerical property
obviously not cold then like -6
this is why i dont live up north (to cold up there)
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we have been wfp allday in brimingham no problen on comerical property
obviously not cold then like -6
this is why i dont live up north (to cold up there)
thats why were having problems its baltic up here ;)
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we have been wfp allday in brimingham no problen on comerical property
obviously not cold then like -6
this is why i dont live up north (to cold up there)
thats why were having problems its baltic up here ;)
to be fair down here its cold, I have had to have the heater on in my office all day :(
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First house this morning, 9 oclock, there was frozen condensation on the conservatory, started scrubbing with the brush and no joy the water was freezing as i tried to rinse, then the warm water came through the hose and the ice melted straight away & it didnt refreeze either before i left.
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
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Hot water will also freeze but at least the glass will be clean when it melts.
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started after 11am...no point any earler on really cold days...worked
up to 3:45pm no problems.
when gets to winter i just lower my expectations to what i can achieve each day
and will work all weekend to catch up if necessary
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Ian,
Leave some pure water out and let it freeze.
Rub it against your windows and I guarantee that they will scratch.
If it sunk the Titanic.......... ;D
lol ;D ;D.. he's got a point
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
be it down south or up north when water is running its not frozen therefor if more water is used on said frozen glass it will help it unfreeze the water on the glass this was my point to unfreeze that's simple logic if water is in liquid form its not frozen maybe water is different in Scotland :-\
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what if it freezes on contact with the glass...
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to be fair i was ok today 11am-4pm.very high flow rate and i tradded doors and porches and swept any water away on footpaths.
its truly amazing how much faster it is to clean windows with a very high flow rate!! :D :D ;D ;D
ruddy cold though and i was glad to get home!! ;D ;D
i have had a porch freeze up as soon as my water hit the glass the other week.i just said it should be clean when melted.i said to her give me a ring if it doesnt......im still waiting for the phone call!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
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Spot on I'd say. Once the temperature is that low, adding more cold water will only compound the problem on the glass.
Although I've never heard of ice scratching glass. ???
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
Spot on I'd say.
[/quote]lol you would, I will try and film it tomorrow if I get the chance as we do this every day so I would say its not spot on at all. The point I'm making the water we use is warmer than ice so will always melt it (on domestics)
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Not in really low temperatures it won't.
Try chucking a bucket of cold water over your frozen windscreen first thing in the morning and see what happens.
Leave the wipers off and drive away for the full effect ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
be it down south or up north when water is running its not frozen therefor if more water is used on said frozen glass it will help it unfreeze the water on the glass this was my point to unfreeze that's simple logic if water is in liquid form its not frozen maybe water is different in Scotland :-\
You're even thicker than I thought Ian! ;D ;D
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Not in really low temperatures it won't.
Try chucking a bucket of cold water over your frozen windscreen first thing in the morning and see what happens.
if you kept doing the same it would melt it Dave unless there was a -windchill
Winpro :-*
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
Spot on I'd say.
lol you would, I will try and film it tomorrow if I get the chance as we do this every day so I would say its not spot on at all. The point I'm making the water we use is warmer than ice so will always melt it (on domestics)
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if the temperature of the glass is a lot lower than the water it will freeze on
contact the rate of flow will make no difference :)
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Not in really low temperatures it won't.
Try chucking a bucket of cold water over your frozen windscreen first thing in the morning and see what happens.
if you kept doing the same it would melt it Dave unless there was a -windchill
Winpro :-*
What about both the glass & atmospheric temps you numpty! ;D BOTH colder than your water! :-[
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I normally put the hosepipe on the hill outside my house to defrost it. My neighbours would prefer salt but i just know they are wrong.
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I normally put the hosepipe on the hill outside my house to defrost it. My neighbours would prefer salt but i just know they are wrong.
lmao ;D
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No probs here today first job was at 7:30am and it was -3°c when we started but heated water made it a breeze.
Had a few, "WHAT! Cleaning windows in this weather??" Our reply was"yup like the last 7 winters we have cleaned you windows!"
I think some people genuinely think we take a few months off over winter! ::)
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
Spot on I'd say.
lol you would, I will try and film it tomorrow if I get the chance as we do this every day so I would say its not spot on at all. The point I'm making the water we use is warmer than ice so will always melt it (on domestics)
if the temperature of the glass is a lot lower than the water it will freeze on
contact the rate of flow will make no difference :)
[/quote]That's my point, if its colder it will Defrost with warmer water as the glass will heat up, I'm clearly not explaining what I mean very well sorry
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Ian, you don't half spout some rubbish
sometimes most of the time.
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Ian, you don't half spout some rubbish sometimes most of the time.
dave I'm just not good at explaining what I mean with written words there is a difference and for that I'm sorry, if I spouted rubbish most of the time I would not do what I do nor would I help people the way i do but your welcome to have your views on me ;)
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The main problem is how quick it freezes.
If you turns to ice before all the dirt is removed the window will still
be dirty when it melts.
Also ice can scratch the glass.
Nothing you can do unless you heat the water. Turning the flow up with cold water will not make it any better- the people who say different live down south & don't experience the temps you do on a 24 hour basis!
Heated water comes into it's own between 0 & -5 (approx) Less than -5 & you're stuffed anyway.
This is my third winter with an immersion heater & it's been priceless!!
Spot on I'd say.
lol you would, I will try and film it tomorrow if I get the chance as we do this every day so I would say its not spot on at all. The point I'm making the water we use is warmer than ice so will always melt it (on domestics)
if the temperature of the glass is a lot lower than the water it will freeze on
contact the rate of flow will make no difference :)
That's my point, if its colder it will Defrost with warmer water as the glass will heat up, I'm clearly not explaining what I mean very well sorry
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the only way that will happen is if you are using a hot water system..normal cold
water which is colder and denser in winter wont do the job.even then the hot
water will cool down quick and freeze not long after you are finished
i cleaned a house today with a con the house windows were fine but the con windows
froze because of the extreme low temperature of the glass and i was pushing water
out aound 2lpm made no difference at all
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I've got a hot system and I've still had water freeze on windows 2 winters ago - obviously the heater was turned right down because I'd be worried about thermal shock, but it was still about 15C. The outside temp was -6 and I was cleaning windows at an Aldi store (Loads of salt down & trad the doorways).
I managed to melt the ice & clean the window, but it took twice as long as normal & then it re-froze on the glass after I finished.
On domestics there is normally enough heat leaking out the glass to stop freezing - but if I ever get to a point where it's re-freezing after I'm done, I give up & go home!
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I've got a hot system and I've still had water freeze on windows 2 winters ago - obviously the heater was turned right down because I'd be worried about thermal shock, but it was still about 15C. The outside temp was -6 and I was cleaning windows at an Aldi store (Loads of salt down & trad the doorways).
I managed to melt the ice & clean the window, but it took twice as long as normal & then it re-froze on the glass after I finished.
On domestics there is normally enough heat leaking out the glass to stop freezing - but if I ever get to a point where it's re-freezing after I'm done, I give up & go home!
i hope mr wick reads this and gives up,im starting to worry about his mental state :D
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I've got a hot system and I've still had water freeze on windows 2 winters ago - obviously the heater was turned right down because I'd be worried about thermal shock, but it was still about 15C. The outside temp was -6 and I was cleaning windows at an Aldi store (Loads of salt down & trad the doorways).
I managed to melt the ice & clean the window, but it took twice as long as normal & then it re-froze on the glass after I finished.
On domestics there is normally enough heat leaking out the glass to stop freezing - but if I ever get to a point where it's re-freezing after I'm done, I give up & go home!
i hope mr wick reads this and gives up,im starting to worry about his mental state :D
im giving up :)
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Ian,
Leave some pure water out and let it freeze.
Rub it against your windows and I guarantee that they will scratch.
If it sunk the Titanic.......... ;D
A block of ice that size will do more than scratch the glass ;D
lol ;D ;D.. he's got a point
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If the water freezes, go back in 2 hours and I bet the water has dried without spots. The heat from the house will melt it no problem. I go to folks first thing who I know will be out. By the time they are home, they are none the wiser. ;)
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No probs here today first job was at 7:30am and it was -3°c when we started but heated water made it a breeze.
Had a few, "WHAT! Cleaning windows in this weather??" Our reply was"yup like the last 7 winters we have cleaned you windows!"
I think some people genuinely think we take a few months off over winter! ::)
People who are employed by someone else must think we get paid off the David Cameron when the weather is bad .
2 yrs ago i had a couple of custys who could'nt belive i was out in 1 ft of snow i told them i had phoned the Prime Minister but he turned down my request to pay me a wage during the bad weather , They just went back in the house without saying another word . Mike
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I dont think this is about the need to work or not.
Its about being able to work.
If you dont have a hot system and the water freezes on the glass before you can
clean them there is not much that you can do.
Im not talking about water that freezes after you have cleaned them as they will thaw o.k.
But good news.
The temp is due to rise and be replaced by high winds and heavy rain. lol