Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on December 09, 2012, 11:16:19 pm
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So the end is near and I will soon be updating from the video I posted back in feb, I cant believe its been that long.
I will soon be revealing how many customers I got and analysing the process.
I want to prove my method far out performs canvassing companies in terms of cost per customer, retention rate and so on.
We havnt delivered any leaflets for some weeks now and we still got 14 new houses this week so I will leave it till the last few days to give the most up to date results.
I spent £20,000 on marketing this year. lets see what return on turnover that has achieved!
Finally to my question. For those that have ever paid a canvasser, what rate did you pay? 1,2,3 times the clean rate.
Im going to reveal how I paid less than £10 per customer!
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first video from feb
http://www.youtube.com/user/pryorswindowcleaning?feature=watch
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glad its been a success for you lee look forward to the results
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will be interested in your results...i cheekily borrowed a couple of ideas from
the layout of your leaflet from the first vid for a leaflet i sent out to existing customers
for gutter fascia and con cleaning...worked a treat ;D.
i generally find your posts interesting and imformative...far more interesting
than someone just sticking pictures up
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Glad you like it and glad your getting results to! thats what its all about.
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look forward to seeing thew results.
was it 20k on leaflets and having them delivered or does this include other marketing efforts Lee ?
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i presume lee has gained over 2000 customers from his marketing campaign this year thats an awful lot of new customers in one year fair play too him
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Hope it went as well as you planned Lee, like your can do attitude. ;D
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Hope it went as well as you planned Lee, like your can do attitude. ;D
+1
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So the end is near and I will soon be updating from the video I posted back in feb, I cant believe its been that long.
I will soon be revealing how many customers I got and analysing the process.
I want to prove my method far out performs canvassing companies in terms of cost per customer, retention rate and so on.
We havnt delivered any leaflets for some weeks now and we still got 14 new houses this week so I will leave it till the last few days to give the most up to date results.
I spent £20,000 on marketing this year. lets see what return on turnover that has achieved!
Finally to my question. For those that have ever paid a canvasser, what rate did you pay? 1,2,3 times the clean rate.
Im going to reveal how I paid less than £10 per customer!
mememememmemememememem..me :D :D :D
well done
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For the amount you do would it not be better to employe someone to do it and cutout jog post ???
That way you could train them to do the houses you want on the streets you want.
Paul
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For the amount you do would it not be better to employe someone to do it and cutout jog post ???
That way you could train them to do the houses you want on the streets you want.
Paul
you would need a lot of staff to drop the amount lee's talking about in the time scales he mentions.
out sourcing it is defo a smart move.
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hmmm.
I will be interested to see the result too.
Ive been trying a new form of advertising and it seems to be working very well good ROI
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You know me Ian still like to be in control of everything ;D ;D ;D
Things will be changing in the new year though ;) ;) ;)
Paul
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
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Lee
Great vid mate, have to admit I aspire to get to your level soon
regards
Tony
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Lee
Great vid mate, have to admit I aspire to get to your level soon
regards
Tony
Thanks Tony. I didnt really think it through just got the phone out and di it. My next one will be better.
You will reach whatever level you want. Just be doing something about getting there and you will.
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
sorry lee my mistake just presumed £20,000 at £10 per customer would be 2000
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all will be revealed mate
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all will be revealed mate
tease
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all will be revealed mate
Will be deffo be interesting, if I know.lee.
I'm gonna do 150k leaflets next year so will be interesting to see his figures.
Just redesigning my leaflet before reordering. I'll send u the edit lee to see how u think it compares to the older one. ;)
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Well done Lee
It just shows what you can achieve if you are positive about yourself and your business.
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genius , is all i can say, im very impressed
the idea of waiting for the phone to ring after spending £1500 on 25 thousand leaflets used to scare me a bit so i stuck to canvassing ,
now cos of your feedback im more open to it and looking forward to giving leafleting another go mid jan going to use jogpost my brother has had 4 calls today for his pc repair shop they dropped 5k today for him,they really were joging :)
i need to tweak my leaflet a bit as its more of a canvassing leaflet with a price box on it...
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Thanks guys.
I spent alot of years developing my leaflet and methods. I did a test drop with jog post last year. went to their london HQ met the owners to discuss my goals and so on. thats why I had the confidence to spend that kind of money. I also have an out sourced call centre answering the incoming calls from the leaflets so a call is never missed. It is important to have all your systems able to cope if it gets busy, its one thing getting alot of calls its another serving them and not wasting them.
I find the week following a drop is manic then a steady trickle for weeks will follow. I also find its a good sign if you get a response on the actual drop day. I find the next 2 days is the most busy.
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What would be the chance of a screen shot of said leaflet front and back :-X :-*
Zero im afraid mate. Theres enough to be seen in the video of the content. If a window cleaner gets mine through their door and they copy me thats life and it does happen, especialy with my price menu. Ive got a collection of about 4 from the area we cover with exact copys!
Besides its more fun coming up with origional ideas of your own. I share pleanty of the things that has made my business what it is. However I still keep some things close to my chest.
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Lee,
i have to admit that i do follow your posts and have even copied some of your prices and as a local window cleaner to you i have a bit of a better knowledge on your setup than most on here. You know who i am and you are aware of my company as a local competitor to you. You are also an inspiration to a lot of people on here due to your videos of umpteen boxes of leaflets talk of £20,000 marketing budget this year , pictures of your new flash cars etc. I am writing this because i think it would be even more helpful to the others on here who are inspired by you and your practices to be a bit more down to earth and truthful with your claims and also for others who by the way you post all assume that you run a huge fleet of vehicles. It would be a great help for them to realise that they are actually not that far behind you in their own setup.
I will repeat that your posts are very readable and valuable to a lot of people including myself but i just wish you would be a bit more humble.
I look forward to the results of your campaign because i am genuinely interested in them,
Matt
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Lee , there is something i want to try and understand forgive me if i sound negetive
as you know you get the one off brigade how do you protect yourselfs against these? do you charge more on first cleans ?
im guessing the strength of the lead as they have called you they normally are honest and they aint no where near as bad as a canvassed customer
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Lee,
i have to admit that i do follow your posts and have even copied some of your prices and as a local window cleaner to you i have a bit of a better knowledge on your setup than most on here. You know who i am and you are aware of my company as a local competitor to you. You are also an inspiration to a lot of people on here due to your videos of umpteen boxes of leaflets talk of £20,000 marketing budget this year , pictures of your new flash cars etc. I am writing this because i think it would be even more helpful to the others on here who are inspired by you and your practices to be a bit more down to earth and truthful with your claims and also for others who by the way you post all assume that you run a huge fleet of vehicles. It would be a great help for them to realise that they are actually not that far behind you in their own setup.
I will repeat that your posts are very readable and valuable to a lot of people including myself but i just wish you would be a bit more humble.
I look forward to the results of your campaign because i am genuinely interested in them,
Matt
hmm i imagine lee is running 3 vans full time with maybe 6 window cleaners or so, dont think he really has made himself sound too big could be a little bigger then ive guessed ofc!
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Matt, you can come down to my office and see my books any time you want mate, then I will see yours! I have never said I run a huge fleet of vans. I have spent £20k on marketing this year and can prove that. I dont need to be humble because everything I say IS the way it is so why shouldnt I talk about it. You think im full of it because you happen to have more vans than me which is true. All I can say is I dont care how many customers or vans someone has Im intersted is money and thats all.
Dont ever imply (which you are) that im miss leading people or saying things that are not true because I dont and havnt and can back it all up any bloody time.
You claim to know about my setup? is that because you question my staff when you see them out working, oh yes oh course I know about that. I put it to you that in fact you know next to nothing about me or my business and its finacial position. So wind you neck back in.
How dare you call me a lier
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i for one never thought you mislead anyone lee, you seem very profesional and you are making the right moves and most importantly you share things and help alot of people, you are one of the poeple on this forum for which im happy to be a part off the more people like you the better..
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I reckon Lee comes across very well and his demeaner probably reflects how Imagine him to be.
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looks like you have the competition on the ropes Lee ;D
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Hi Lee
I like reading your posts, but I think you are mad for giving away the information that you do.
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Please persever with this post Lee
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Hi Lee
I like reading your posts, but I think you are mad for giving away the information that you do.
Ive been thinking the same thing haha
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Yes my leaflet is a printed version of my website. Its nice when things tie in with each other.
With regard to the one off question. The girls that answer the phones (the lovely Lauren and Jo ;)) explain that we only offer a regular service and that we only do one off cleans if they are having one of our other services on top. So we dont get to many problems like that. Its a wellknown fact that a customer that comes to you is far stronger than one hunted down by canvassing. Dont get me wrong, canvassing has its place and ive done some this year and have 2 nice laddies canvassing for me next year.
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Yes my leaflet is a printed version of my website. Its nice when things tie in with each other.
With regard to the one off question. The girls that answer the phones (the lovely Lauren and Jo ;)) explain that we only offer a regular service and that we only do one off cleans if they are having one of our other services on top. So we dont get to many problems like that. Its a wellknown fact that a customer that comes to you is far stronger than one hunted down by canvassing. Dont get me wrong, canvassing has its place and ive done some this year and have 2 nice laddies canvassing for me next year.
hey lee , if i fire you over my updated leaflet will u have a compare against the old one.
need to get some prices on them as the constant driving around quoting was driving me insane lol.
oh and i think you are ace :-*
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thanks carl.
Go for it mate!
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Yes my leaflet is a printed version of my website. Its nice when things tie in with each other.
With regard to the one off question. The girls that answer the phones (the lovely Lauren and Jo ;)) explain that we only offer a regular service and that we only do one off cleans if they are having one of our other services on top. So we dont get to many problems like that. Its a wellknown fact that a customer that comes to you is far stronger than one hunted down by canvassing. Dont get me wrong, canvassing has its place and ive done some this year and have 2 nice laddies canvassing for me next year.
you see and again this is from a canvassing perspective
i used to say its ONLY regular cleans and all they would do is nod agree to anything said once its been done its seeya later ill give you a call and i used to have disputes "you said regular" "no i didnt" "yes you did i wouldnt have charged you only x " "no i didnt please can you leave now..." so the only way around this was to treat everyone as a number and charge them upto double on the first clean, offering a trail clean for double the price if they canceled then it wasnt so bad
my point is even thou they are calling you ,you must still have people who aggree over the phone they want it regular then go back on there word and lie to the girls? but im guessing its quite an insignificant amount?
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I would say we have all the problems everyone else has to one degree or another. In this case its not a problem I notice to much. People cancel, we get new ones. As long as we get more than we loose im happy. IMO if you get 100 new customers and still have 50 of them 2 years later paying well and so on then your doing well.
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thanks carl.
Go for it mate!
This is why I respect this fella ,
He's doing 25k a month & must be really super busy ,but is still willing to try and educate/help us improve our businesses on his trials£££££.
I mean he comes on here not the billy big-bollox and shares his ideas and even his time that at a business that size must be at a premium.
If I hadn't taken some avice he gave me I would not have a brand new sportline being delivered january. ;D
Until I am proved otherwise he is my hero ;)
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thanks carl.
Go for it mate!
This is why I respect this fella ,
He's doing 25k a month & must be really super busy ,but is still willing to try and educate/help us improve our businesses on his trials£££££.
I mean he comes on here not the billy big-bollox and shares his ideas and even his time that at a business that size must be at a premium.
If I hadn't taken some avice he gave me I would not have a brand new sportline being delivered january. ;D
Until I am proved otherwise he is my hero ;)
Carl im blown away mate! thanks................ But i better step in here in case matt calls me a lier. A 25k month would be a very good month and we do have them our average is about 22K
Yes i am busy but im NEVER to busy to talk to and advise/learn from like minded people and I stress like minded. I actually really enjoy it. I have a passion for business and making money and I love to see people do well. I have never been jellous of people who are successful or have more than me. I admire it and aspire to it.
New sportline! is that an Audi? Thats what im talking about. Theres nothing better than the rewards that come from hard work.
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thanks carl.
Go for it mate!
This is why I respect this fella ,
He's doing 25k a month & must be really super busy ,but is still willing to try and educate/help us improve our businesses on his trials£££££.
I mean he comes on here not the billy big-bollox and shares his ideas and even his time that at a business that size must be at a premium.
If I hadn't taken some avice he gave me I would not have a brand new sportline being delivered january. ;D
Until I am proved otherwise he is my hero ;)
Carl im blown away mate! thanks................ But i better step in here in case matt calls me a lier. A 25k month would be a very good month and we do have them our average is about 22K
Yes i am busy but im NEVER to busy to talk to and advise/learn from like minded people and I stress like minded. I actually really enjoy it. I have a passion for business and making money and I love to see people do well. I have never been jellous of people who are successful or have more than me. I admire it and aspire to it.
New sportline! is that an Audi? Thats what im talking about. Theres nothing better than the rewards that come from hard work.
forgetting about the money that's a great post to read shame there is not a lot more people that have the same view as you on here
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Lee, is it just the domestic market you go for?.
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thanks carl.
Go for it mate!
This is why I respect this fella ,
He's doing 25k a month & must be really super busy ,but is still willing to try and educate/help us improve our businesses on his trials£££££.
I mean he comes on here not the billy big-bollox and shares his ideas and even his time that at a business that size must be at a premium.
If I hadn't taken some avice he gave me I would not have a brand new sportline being delivered january. ;D
Until I am proved otherwise he is my hero ;)
Carl im blown away mate! thanks................ But i better step in here in case matt calls me a lier. A 25k month would be a very good month and we do have them our average is about 22K
Yes i am busy but im NEVER to busy to talk to and advise/learn from like minded people and I stress like minded. I actually really enjoy it. I have a passion for business and making money and I love to see people do well. I have never been jellous of people who are successful or have more than me. I admire it and aspire to it.
New sportline! is that an Audi? Thats what im talking about. Theres nothing better than the rewards that come from hard work.
Well done lee, i love a man who speaks his mind.
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thanks carl.
Go for it mate!
This is why I respect this fella ,
He's doing 25k a month & must be really super busy ,but is still willing to try and educate/help us improve our businesses on his trials£££££.
I mean he comes on here not the billy big-bollox and shares his ideas and even his time that at a business that size must be at a premium.
If I hadn't taken some avice he gave me I would not have a brand new sportline being delivered january. ;D
Until I am proved otherwise he is my hero ;)
Carl im blown away mate! thanks................ But i better step in here in case matt calls me a lier. A 25k month would be a very good month and we do have them our average is about 22K
Yes i am busy but im NEVER to busy to talk to and advise/learn from like minded people and I stress like minded. I actually really enjoy it. I have a passion for business and making money and I love to see people do well. I have never been jellous of people who are successful or have more than me. I admire it and aspire to it.
New sportline! is that an Audi? Thats what im talking about. Theres nothing better than the rewards that come from hard work.
forgetting about the money that's a great post to read shame there is not a lot more people that have the same view as you on here
"I love to see people do well. I have never been jellous of people who are successful or have more than me. I admire it and aspire to it."
well noticed ian this is how everyone should be happy for one another
+1
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Lee who does your leaflets and are they any good?
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Yes it is only domestic we go for however we do have commercial work. I would like alot more but I find I dont have the proper time required to really make it work. Down the line I would like to employ a commercial sales person to concentrate entirly on that side of the business.
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Lee, is it just the domestic market you go for?.
i dont think lee does many
i stopped chasing all my commercial leads happy with the ones i got wont be looking at commercial probabally ever its a waste of time they expect you to work for low rates and pay you in 3 months they must be mad, if i ever get a commercial inquiry my rule is 3 cleans in advance also i no longer go and time waste quoting its pictures sent via email sure most dont go for it and im happy that way,
once apon a time i used to take a clip board and pen, look professional smile, then get told we will be in touch, no calls i call they say sorry had a cheaper price bye!!, even thou mine was reasonable lol i just hate em domestic is the way matesure it has its problems but at least it works
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Lee who does your leaflets and are they any good?
Nah, there crap really.
I designed them in terms of layout, size, colour, content and so on. The chap that does my website is a graphic designer, he makes my ideas a reality.
Then I use a local printer to me. I make a phone call to order 30,000 or however many, the printers ship them 3 days later overnight to jog post HQ (i never see or touch them) another call to jog post tells them where I want them and when. They go out all in one day, phone answered by call centre no calls missed, priced up over the phone and all the details come to my office by email, off my chaps go to clean, get paid. Then BOOM nice car on the drive.
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New sportline! is that an Audi? Thats what im talking about. Theres nothing better than the rewards that come from hard work.
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VW Transporter Sportline I assume, Very nice! :)
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Ah I see. yes that is a very nice van indeed. We will be getting another renault master next year
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Lee have u any experience with royal mail? Have 15000 going out started today, used them because i wanted to target rural areas too so thought they would be best bet, about £60 per 1000 for that amount. Was thinking about canvassing for start of next year but leaflets defo seems to be an alround better custy. Might try both and compare. Great posts lee u and a few others have give great info on here which have defo speeded things up for me :)
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Lee who does your leaflets and are they any good?
Nah, there crap really.
I designed them in terms of layout, size, colour, content and so on. The chap that does my website is a graphic designer, he makes my ideas a reality.
Then I use a local printer to me. I make a phone call to order 30,000 or however many, the printers ship them 3 days later overnight to jog post HQ (i never see or touch them) another call to jog post tells them where I want them and when. They go out all in one day, phone answered by call centre no calls missed, priced up over the phone and all the details come to my office by email, off my chaps go to clean, get paid. Then BOOM nice car on the drive.
Great :) thanks for advice, by the way i have seen the new Audi A5, will go nice on your drive :)
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lol, Ive had an Audi and unless its the R8 im a porsche and BMW fan.
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lol, Ive had an Audi and unless its the R8 im a porsche and BMW fan.
in thats case thats what you want :)
http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/panamera/panamera-4s/
I know thats what i want :)
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thanks carl.
Go for it mate!
This is why I respect this fella ,
He's doing 25k a month & must be really super busy ,but is still willing to try and educate/help us improve our businesses on his trials£££££.
I mean he comes on here not the billy big-bollox and shares his ideas and even his time that at a business that size must be at a premium.
If I hadn't taken some avice he gave me I would not have a brand new sportline being delivered january. ;D
Until I am proved otherwise he is my hero ;)
Carl im blown away mate! thanks................ But i better step in here in case matt calls me a lier. A 25k month would be a very good month and we do have them our average is about 22K
Yes i am busy but im NEVER to busy to talk to and advise/learn from like minded people and I stress like minded. I actually really enjoy it. I have a passion for business and making money and I love to see people do well. I have never been jellous of people who are successful or have more than me. I admire it and aspire to it.
New sportline! is that an Audi? Thats what im talking about. Theres nothing better than the rewards that come from hard work.
This is my new sportline top spec too , this is a surprise for my wife with a private plate , and takes 4 months to arrange too, Imagine keeping this a secret for that time ( which I have). Despite the numerous complaints that our old cars knackered etc etc
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=transporter+sportline+kombi&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=zlrGUOK7AobO0QWr5YGgCg&ved=0CEYQsAQ&biw=768&bih=928#biv=i|3;d|0SGk2NsB58xINM:
Your belief in YOU is the difference between a window cleaner and a business man.
This comment "Run it like a window cleaning business , not as a window cleaner"
to me was on a day ,after my start of leafletting campaign and I was doing a £275 first clean:
This Was my "Holy poop moment" u may as well of kicked me straight in the Jacobs.
From that day u said it, I turned the tables and run it like a business not as MY job.
The round is late , they work longer...simples
Debts are mounting? They help collect...simples.
They do well. I will reward them.
They f*** up, I will educate them.
I'm looking to do £12k next year on leaflets and WILL have another van out everyday from it.
WHY .
Because I listen and learn from business/inspirational people like yourself.
If u don't evolve u stay with a caveman club, sure it works on singles.maybe sometimes a couple.
BUT
Get yourself an oozi or M16 and that works way better on singles and as many as you wanna prospectively shoot at.
My only advice to you m8 is:
Only u can be THE MAN you want to be,the majority will seek to bring you down to there level...to seek comfort in knowing that they think no-one is better than them.
now the real trick is knowing what is and what isn't a leveller (99% are levellers)
If u think u see a hamster wheel running in there eyes or in there thoughts its a poop test/leveller. Investigate it but never entertain it
I wish u good luck( u don't need it by the way) good health and loads of new leafletted custies ;)
ass kiss over lol ( see the hamster running in my brain to get u to help me )
Mail u soon m8 in fact ill phone l u ;)
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really, they dont do it for me. Nice cars though.
To answer another question yes I did 120k with royal mail in 2008, I got a good result, not as good as jog post reults but then they dont do rural areas and my leaflet is much better now. Royal mail would be my choice after jog post, I wouldnt bother with ANY large leafleting company. I would find a local chap or emloy my own as Vin Kennedy from perfect windows in south hampton has. He has a great formular for his leafleting with a couple of people.
He like me is always happy to help people,
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really, they dont do it for me. Nice cars though.
To answer another question yes I did 120k with royal mail in 2008, I got a good result, not as good as jog post reults but then they dont do rural areas and my leaflet is much better now. Royal mail would be my choice after jog post, I wouldnt bother with ANY large leafleting company. I would find a local chap or emloy my own as Vin Kennedy from perfect windows in south hampton has. He has a great formular for his leafleting with a couple of people.
He like me is always happy to help people,
Yea seen the canvassing vs leaflet thread he posted on, was one of the main reasons i decided to give leaflets a go, broke everything down perfectly. Would be nice to see his formular ;) Hard to ignore with numbers like that. Many thanks Lee great info again :) Wayne.
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HaHa morning Lee , you need to reread my original post cos it obviously needlessly upset you , thanks for your advice re winding my neck in , (i wont). You are by far the best sales and marketeer that i know in the way that you portray your business especially on this forum. If i was looking for a sales and marketing manager i would be beating down your door and as i said i am genuinely interested and i wont be so petty as to pick any holes in hearing the results of your latest marketing effort. As other posters have said you are a real inspiration to them and that is by no means a bad thing. Merry Christmas ;D
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Can't wait to see this latest video. The suspense is killing me. Lee after reading some of your posts you have really given me some great ideas & inspired me to try & double my customer base next year. Thanks for that
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Can't wait to see this latest video. The suspense is killing me. Lee after reading some of your posts you have really given me some great ideas & inspired me to try & double my customer base next year. Thanks for that
Well I could film it now but new customers are still coming in so I want to give the most up to date results. I will probably do it the week between xmas and new year when we are off.
I glad I have helped you Steve. Lets all make loads of money!
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is richard any relation?
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is richard any relation?
Boom boom! yay and it is spelt the same. No sadly the late great richard pryor is not a relation. Superman 3 and brewsters millions all the way!
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is richard any relation?
Boom boom! yay and it is spelt the same. No sadly the late great richard pryor is not a relation. Superman 3 and brewsters millions all the way!
Brewsters Millions love it :)
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is richard any relation?
Boom boom! yay and it is spelt the same. No sadly the late great richard pryor is not a relation. Superman 3 and brewsters millions all the way!
he was a great stand up comedian seen a few of his vids very funny. :)
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Hi Lee,
how often do you re leaflet an area? I;m currently trialling hitting every area every other month.
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Good question richard and I have hit my areas several times this year.
IMO 3 times in a 12 month period is the most cost effective.
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Good question richard and I have hit my areas several times this year.
IMO 3 times in a 12 month period is the most cost effective.
thanks for the answer.
you must be covering quite a big area then!
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Hi Lee,
how often do you re leaflet an area? I;m currently trialling hitting every area every other month.
hows it going Richard ? I have been doing this coming up for 2 years now I have found the first two drops being the best ROI per leaflet
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Good question richard and I have hit my areas several times this year.
IMO 3 times in a 12 month period is the most cost effective.
Was going to ask that but was beaten to the punch so say if We picked 4 different Areas or postcodes for the year would you recommend doing them all one after the other then starting again so for examaple jan area 1 feb area 2 march area 3 April area 4 then may start again something like that I would imagine is best
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Good question richard and I have hit my areas several times this year.
IMO 3 times in a 12 month period is the most cost effective.
Was going to ask that but was beaten to the punch so say if We picked 4 different Areas or postcodes for the year would you recommend doing them all one after the other then starting again so for examaple jan area 1 feb area 2 march area 3 April area 4 then may start again something like that I would imagine is best
that what we do. ive done 4 times in some areas this year and here is what ive learnt.
Drop 1 and 2 are very good and tend to be about the same if 3 months gap or so. drop 3 you will notice is less and drop 4 is alot less to the point where it was a waste.
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Hi Lee,
how often do you re leaflet an area? I;m currently trialling hitting every area every other month.
hows it going Richard ? I have been doing this coming up for 2 years now I have found the first two drops being the best ROI per leaflet
it's early days so cant comment. only in month 2 and having some problems managing my leafleters! ask me again in 6 months and i'll have an answer for you :)
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Good question richard and I have hit my areas several times this year.
IMO 3 times in a 12 month period is the most cost effective.
Was going to ask that but was beaten to the punch so say if We picked 4 different Areas or postcodes for the year would you recommend doing them all one after the other then starting again so for examaple jan area 1 feb area 2 march area 3 April area 4 then may start again something like that I would imagine is best
that what we do. ive done 4 times in some areas this year and here is what ive learnt.
Drop 1 and 2 are very good and tend to be about the same if 3 months gap or so. drop 3 you will notice is less and drop 4 is alot less to the point where it was a waste.
Lee would drop 4 be winter months and would this be a factor for bad return? I Have just started putting mine out every 4-6 weeks for same area. Would changing frequency for certain times of year be good idea? Wayne.
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
Hi lee. Less than 1000 is still a bit vague. How many did you pick up? 10 is less than 1000! ;D
20k is a shed load of money to spend on leaflets. For that kind of money, could you not employ a full time canvasser? I bet they would beat your 1000 estimate. If they canvassed for 300 days in a year, they would only need 3.4 customers a day and you hit 1000. That should be easy peasy. As most people will tell you, when it comes to canvassing, you can't beat door knocking. Offer 20k and I bet you will have a queue at your door all the way up the street. You could take your pick of folks! Fair play to ya though!
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
Hi lee. Less than 1000 is still a bit vague. How many did you pick up? 10 is less than 1000! ;D
20k is a shed load of money to spend on leaflets. For that kind of money, could you not employ a full time canvasser? I bet they would beat your 1000 estimate. If they canvassed for 300 days in a year, they would only need 3.4 customers a day and you hit 1000. That should be easy peasy. As most people will tell you, when it comes to canvassing, you can't beat door knocking. Offer 20k and I bet you will have a queue at your door all the way up the street. You could take your pick of folks! Fair play to ya though!
Thats interesting.
so whats your take on that lee, he has point.
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I don't think 20k would get you a decent canvasser. 20k isn't much of a wage in the South East anyone worth their salt in sales would be on more than that.
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
Hi lee. Less than 1000 is still a bit vague. How many did you pick up? 10 is less than 1000! ;D
20k is a shed load of money to spend on leaflets. For that kind of money, could you not employ a full time canvasser? I bet they would beat your 1000 estimate. If they canvassed for 300 days in a year, they would only need 3.4 customers a day and you hit 1000. That should be easy peasy. As most people will tell you, when it comes to canvassing, you can't beat door knocking. Offer 20k and I bet you will have a queue at your door all the way up the street. You could take your pick of folks! Fair play to ya though!
Hi Steve. The things you have said there are simply wrong IMO (dont be offended I just have alot of experience in this matter) Door knocking does not come close at all.
you have focused on the most unimportant number and thats how many customers you get. Yes 20k is alot but what If I told you the extra services we got in on top of regular customers (gutters, con roof, jetting, fascia and so on) total £14k meaning I actualy only spent 6k meaning customers are costing me less than £10 each (find a canvasser charging that! dont think so). what if I then told you our anual turnover increased by £80k. would you then think that was a good return for my £20k? I do. Infact any ROI withing 12 months is considered very good in the world of business. Door knocking simply cannot give that return at all. retention rates are terrible for door knocked customers and you simply cannot cover a big enough area.
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
Hi lee. Less than 1000 is still a bit vague. How many did you pick up? 10 is less than 1000! ;D
20k is a shed load of money to spend on leaflets. For that kind of money, could you not employ a full time canvasser? I bet they would beat your 1000 estimate. If they canvassed for 300 days in a year, they would only need 3.4 customers a day and you hit 1000. That should be easy peasy. As most people will tell you, when it comes to canvassing, you can't beat door knocking. Offer 20k and I bet you will have a queue at your door all the way up the street. You could take your pick of folks! Fair play to ya though!
Hi Steve. The things you have said there are simply wrong IMO (dont be offended I just have alot of experience in this matter) Door knocking does not come close at all.
you have focused on the most unimportant number and thats how many customers you get. Yes 20k is alot but what If I told you the extra services we got in on top of regular customers (gutters, con roof, jetting, fascia and so on) total £14k meaning I actualy only spent 6k meaning customers are costing me less than £10 each (find a canvasser charging that! dont think so). what if I then told you our anual turnover increased by £80k. would you then think that was a good return for my £20k? I do. Infact any ROI withing 12 months is considered very good in the world of business. Door knocking simply cannot give that return at all. retention rates are terrible for door knocked customers and you simply cannot cover a big enough area.
You have very valid point Lee, but then again that depends on the way your leaflet is designed, I can see your leaflet design is very good and give you a fantastic result by the way you have described the return you are getting.
But there are thousands of companies out there that have a bad design and wont achieve the kind of result you have.
Design and marketing of any product is the key to great success.
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
Hi lee. Less than 1000 is still a bit vague. How many did you pick up? 10 is less than 1000! ;D
20k is a shed load of money to spend on leaflets. For that kind of money, could you not employ a full time canvasser? I bet they would beat your 1000 estimate. If they canvassed for 300 days in a year, they would only need 3.4 customers a day and you hit 1000. That should be easy peasy. As most people will tell you, when it comes to canvassing, you can't beat door knocking. Offer 20k and I bet you will have a queue at your door all the way up the street. You could take your pick of folks! Fair play to ya though!
Hi Steve. The things you have said there are simply wrong IMO (dont be offended I just have alot of experience in this matter) Door knocking does not come close at all.
you have focused on the most unimportant number and thats how many customers you get. Yes 20k is alot but what If I told you the extra services we got in on top of regular customers (gutters, con roof, jetting, fascia and so on) total £14k meaning I actualy only spent 6k meaning customers are costing me less than £10 each (find a canvasser charging that! dont think so). what if I then told you our anual turnover increased by £80k. would you then think that was a good return for my £20k? I do. Infact any ROI withing 12 months is considered very good in the world of business. Door knocking simply cannot give that return at all. retention rates are terrible for door knocked customers and you simply cannot cover a big enough area.
im not arguing here because I too think leafleted customers are better than canvassed ones but a canvasser could up sell services at the same time lee, you used to do this if I remember correctly as did I, I found it tedious. Is it the scaleability your referring to and price per customer ( there's a word for it but I've not had a coffee yet)
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our leaflet upsells for us Ian, We get untold requests for extra services with first cleans.
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our leaflet upsells for us Ian, We get untold requests for extra services with first cleans.
cool, but that didnt answer my question fella, it does matter im sure the video will, i just hate waiting ;D
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I certainly havnt had 2000 new customers! less than a 1000. But people on here get caught up with that, its not important how many customers you have or gain the money is the important bit!
To take on my own leafleters would be impossible in terms of the volume we have done.
£20k was spent on printing and delivering leaflets nothing else.
Hi lee. Less than 1000 is still a bit vague. How many did you pick up? 10 is less than 1000! ;D
20k is a shed load of money to spend on leaflets. For that kind of money, could you not employ a full time canvasser? I bet they would beat your 1000 estimate. If they canvassed for 300 days in a year, they would only need 3.4 customers a day and you hit 1000. That should be easy peasy. As most people will tell you, when it comes to canvassing, you can't beat door knocking. Offer 20k and I bet you will have a queue at your door all the way up the street. You could take your pick of folks! Fair play to ya though!
Hi Steve. The things you have said there are simply wrong IMO (dont be offended I just have alot of experience in this matter) Door knocking does not come close at all.
you have focused on the most unimportant number and thats how many customers you get. Yes 20k is alot but what If I told you the extra services we got in on top of regular customers (gutters, con roof, jetting, fascia and so on) total £14k meaning I actualy only spent 6k meaning customers are costing me less than £10 each (find a canvasser charging that! dont think so). what if I then told you our anual turnover increased by £80k. would you then think that was a good return for my £20k? I do. Infact any ROI withing 12 months is considered very good in the world of business. Door knocking simply cannot give that return at all. retention rates are terrible for door knocked customers and you simply cannot cover a big enough area.
i totaly disagree and am challanging you with your statement. "doorknocking doesnt even come close at all"
my plus sides to canvassing over leafleting.
canvassers are not that hard to find and window cleaning canvassing isnt rocket science either and they will get deals for 5-10 pound a comfirmed customer that you pay a canvasser.
not that i plan to but 20k divided by 5 pound a deal would be 4000 new customers from canvassed work even if you did it at 10 pound a deal it would be 2000 customers from canvassed work much more than your under 1000 that you said you have gained.
before you say that the retention will not be 4000 customers id argue it as a canvasser would have to replace dropouts and the 1 offs where as the 1 off's from leaflets you would have to wave goodbye to.
Also canvassing naturally will build a much more compact business over leaflets, i dont know where your going with offering extra services with leaflets to add extras as i offer extra services to all my customers with a welcome letter explaining what else we do and how we work etc also i have the extras that i do on my collection slips as does most peoploe which isnt an issue unless i didnt understand what you meant.
i know you are happy with your return of around 1000 new customers from 250000 leaflets. it still only works out 1 in 250 houses though which will be so spread out no matter how many times you re-leaflet an area a.
with canvassing you would get between 15 and 20 new deals per 250 doors knocked and would all be all in a much more condenced area creating around 12500 new customers which beats leafletting hands down as long as canvasser replaces dropouts but even if he doesnt and retention is only 10 percent canvassing would still win.
like i said i have no interest in rapid growth like you im just arguing your quote "doorknocking doesnt even come close at all".
i cant think of any cons to canvassing over leafletting for a rapid growth point of view. id rather customers all compact where i can do 3-5 from the same spot without having to drive, pull hose out reel hose back in 25+ times a day.
hat off to you though as you pull in double what i do with your 2 vans over mine.
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could someone tell me what ROI stands for?
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return on investment. found it. ;D
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return on investment. found it. ;D
I don't agree it's easy to get canvassers. I have advertised time and again and offered good money, not just commission based, and not a single peson was interested.
Leafletters is a different matter. I advertise in exactly the same way and I have them coming out my ears. They just won't doorknock.
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return on investment. found it. ;D
I don't agree it's easy to get canvassers. I have advertised time and again and offered good money, not just commission based, and not a single peson was interested.
put an add on gumtree stateing easy canvassing job available in the window cleaning market. x 2 vacancies gaining customers averaging 5 leads an hour at x amount per lead.
i must be lucky then as i always find them either from working, down the pub, customers unemployed sons etc. just put the word out your looking for canvassers. even tell your staff that they need to do it with you to maintain there work load. better still go out on your own and canvass yourself.
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mick do you pay em per paying customer on a first clean and ask em to replace if they dont stick ?if so thats one hell of a deal offering a fiver and getting it guaranteed :)
at £5 per "paying first clean" is good which is a good deal
the problem is leads and paying customers are worlds apart
canvasser could pull 15 and only get 7 to pay other 8 say next time
out of those 7 3 could pay and canel right away
if it was £5 per paying customer the canvasser would have been paid £35 for that day if 3 cancel does your canvasser replace it for free so in actual fact his true earnins are only £20 that would be a bad day
i dont think people will hang around long if they are then you are on to a winner i know cos i find it hard or found it hard keeping canvassers (not in the mood for canvassed work at the mo) who wanted to work for that sort of payment however i offered £5-£10 if the customer retained or canceled it was kinda ok as about 50% did stick
now some days could be better then others say a brillant day 20 paying customers 15 pay thats £75 and only say 2 pay and cancel so would your guys really replace those 2 for free?
also i think the advantage leafletting could have over canvassers is you no longer need to rely on others to build up a customer base you could strike a deal with someone to knock for you at your rates not his he says fine he is going to do this full time then after 3-4 days you get 10 leads and he quits?now you might have promised someone a job,these are the problems i had so i had to choose to do it myself which i used to love (not anymore lol) or pay a higher price,if its working for you and you are getting loads of paying first cleans for a fiver and long term then i wouldnt change anything i dont think.
i just want to try this leafletting game out you cant beat cold callers mate, they went out the way to pick up the phone thats almost priceless
i had 3 cold inquiries this week a bit more then the usual 1-2, maybe becos of the family coming over for chirstmas each and every one were doubled on the first clean
£30 full next time £15
£40 next time £20
£20 next time £10
these 3 will think long and hard before canceling none of them liked paying that much and i told them they never will it goes down half price.
when i do it that way i get 90% stick rate,
if i tryed that on the doors at least 2 out of 3 would have said "let me call you" do it for single values then we start going down the how many are serious and how many just want a one off cos its cheap no matter how you canvass ive looked smart,window cleaner smart, uniform, normal,used female canvasser,said regular only,try us out,this is the idea, anything you say you cant get away from the begging factor cos thats what canvassing is its begging and some people will always abuse that always
anyway im sure ill never get away from it ,but im gona have a £1500 punt on 25,000 leaflets delivered maybe mid jan after i tweak my leaflet a bit (its more of a canvassing kind with a price box) what amazes me the most is they are going to be dropped in 1 day :o
i know even with bad canvassers you get at least 50% back say on first clean and this way i have no guarantees it is scary but lees figures so far have been intresting
ive worked out if i get say at least 50 paying customers ill be almost level or down 30% im hoping i can at least break even so i just want about 2 payers per thousand game on :)
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mick do you pay em per paying customer on a first clean and ask em to replace if they dont stick ?if so thats one hell of a deal offering a fiver and getting it guaranteed :)
at £5 per "paying first clean" is good which is a good deal
the problem is leads and paying customers are worlds apart
canvasser could pull 15 and only get 7 to pay other 8 say next time
out of those 7 3 could pay and canel right away
if it was £5 per paying customer the canvasser would have been paid £35 for that day if 3 cancel does your canvasser replace it for free so in actual fact his true earnins are only £20 that would be a bad day
i dont think people will hang around long if they are then you are on to a winner i know cos i find it hard or found it hard keeping canvassers (not in the mood for canvassed work at the mo) who wanted to work for that sort of payment however i offered £5-£10 if the customer retained or canceled it was kinda ok as about 50% did stick
now some days could be better then others say a brillant day 20 paying customers 15 pay thats £75 and only say 2 pay and cancel so would your guys really replace those 2 for free?
also i think the advantage leafletting could have over canvassers is you no longer need to rely on others to build up a customer base you could strike a deal with someone to knock for you at your rates not his he says fine he is going to do this full time then after 3-4 days you get 10 leads and he quits?now you might have promised someone a job,these are the problems i had so i had to choose to do it myself which i used to love (not anymore lol) or pay a higher price,if its working for you and you are getting loads of paying first cleans for a fiver and long term then i wouldnt change anything i dont think.
i just want to try this leafletting game out you cant beat cold callers mate, they went out the way to pick up the phone thats almost priceless
i had 3 cold inquiries this week a bit more then the usual 1-2, maybe becos of the family coming over for chirstmas each and every one were doubled on the first clean
£30 full next time £15
£40 next time £20
£20 next time £10
these 3 will think long and hard before canceling none of them liked paying that much and i told them they never will it goes down half price.
when i do it that way i get 90% stick rate,
if i tryed that on the doors at least 2 out of 3 would have said "let me call you" do it for single values then we start going down the how many are serious and how many just want a one off cos its cheap no matter how you canvass ive looked smart,window cleaner smart, uniform, normal,used female canvasser,said regular only,try us out,this is the idea, anything you say you cant get away from the begging factor cos thats what canvassing is its begging and some people will always abuse that always
anyway im sure ill never get away from it ,but im gona have a £1500 punt on 25,000 leaflets delivered maybe mid jan after i tweak my leaflet a bit (its more of a canvassing kind with a price box) what amazes me the most is they are going to be dropped in 1 day :o
i know even with bad canvassers you get at least 50% back say on first clean and this way i have no guarantees it is scary but lees figures so far have been intresting
ive worked out if i get say at least 50 paying customers ill be almost level or down 30% im hoping i can at least break even so i just want about 2 payers per thousand game on :)
dont bother jan or beginning of feb :-*
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I gotta say I am amazed how much money people are willing to throw at leaflet dropping. :) :o
Maybe we have a high illteracy rate in Telford, but I know for sure that leaflet dropping does not work here. I personally know about 25 window cleaners in Telford, had 6 or 7 work for me in their early days and then gone off and done their own thing. Some leaflet dropped and spend thousands doing so. They averaged less than 1 customer per 200 leaflets. They then went canvassing and eventually, as in 2 to 4 months, got enough work for 5 days a week! They only canvassed 1 or 2 evenings a week too.
I have a very high success rate with canvassing because I know how to pitch it. I think paying someone to canvass without teaching them how to pitch, could be a waste of time. Notice that I said teaching and not telling, there is a difference. The pitch needs to be right, if it is, work will come.
I suppose it is horses for courses though. What works for one, may not work for another. Still, 20K though? Wow! ???
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I wish you all the luck crystal clear i like your posts and you seem a realy honest guy. I agree leafletting is also a good way to gain work i just disagreed with lee saying doorknocking doesnt come close to leafleting. i too am interested in trying a leaflet drop inside the areas i already clean just to see the outcome..reason being all the people who never do a deal on the doorstep may go for the leaflet approach and vice versa with people seeing many different leaflets daily where a lot get thrown away withought a 2nd look which is what i generally do, always getting driveway, carpet cleaning, window cleaning, takeay leaflets etc comeing through the door but hardly ever get a canvasser for knocking window cleaning.
And yes i have 2 canvassers that i pay £5 for every customer they get both are doing it for beer tokens and both realy appreciate the extra money. i had a couple of girls doing it few months ago while they were job hunting which worked well for them averaging 10 deals a night each so they were earning nicely out of it. If its an odd few that drop out here and there i dont ask for replacements its only when a canvasser gains it as a chancer and it fails on them when i ask for a replacement. Ie miss wording 1offs etc. if trained right and the right targeted properties are done then no real retention problems will arise.
Just for me canvassing will always win hands down over the amount gained and the compactivity of it all over leaflets. I know many succesfull window cleaning companies round my way who have built all up from scratch from canvassing and using canvassers, i also know of many who bought there fully working compact rounds they purchased for 3.5 cleans from pds who are a big window cleaning canvassing company who pay there staff 50% of the first clean which is no different to how i pay roughly £5 a customer. Apart from pat dudly was a self made millionaire from it. If you do a search on here you will see the level of work he sold through hes canvassers working the south east for him over the past 20 odd years.
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I gotta say I am amazed how much money people are willing to throw at leaflet dropping. :) :o
Maybe we have a high illteracy rate in Telford, but I know for sure that leaflet dropping does not work here. I personally know about 25 window cleaners in Telford, had 6 or 7 work for me in their early days and then gone off and done their own thing. Some leaflet dropped and spend thousands doing so. They averaged less than 1 customer per 200 leaflets. They then went canvassing and eventually, as in 2 to 4 months, got enough work for 5 days a week! They only canvassed 1 or 2 evenings a week too.
I have a very high success rate with canvassing because I know how to pitch it. I think paying someone to canvass without teaching them how to pitch, could be a waste of time. Notice that I said teaching and not telling, there is a difference. The pitch needs to be right, if it is, work will come.
I suppose it is horses for courses though. What works for one, may not work for another. Still, 20K though? Wow! ???
Exactly i train the girls to say they are helping there bf build hes window cleaning round up which works a treat as all the old girls love a female approach and also the men wont shut the door in there face and are a bit more laid back than if a bloke knocks,
where as when i have men doing it i get them to drop in the pitch that they are building up a round for a local guy who has been made redundant, little white lies here and there go a a long way when building a solid customer base up.
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I gotta say I am amazed how much money people are willing to throw at leaflet dropping. :) :o
Maybe we have a high illteracy rate in Telford, but I know for sure that leaflet dropping does not work here. I personally know about 25 window cleaners in Telford, had 6 or 7 work for me in their early days and then gone off and done their own thing. Some leaflet dropped and spend thousands doing so. They averaged less than 1 customer per 200 leaflets. They then went canvassing and eventually, as in 2 to 4 months, got enough work for 5 days a week! They only canvassed 1 or 2 evenings a week too.
I have a very high success rate with canvassing because I know how to pitch it. I think paying someone to canvass without teaching them how to pitch, could be a waste of time. Notice that I said teaching and not telling, there is a difference. The pitch needs to be right, if it is, work will come.
I suppose it is horses for courses though. What works for one, may not work for another. Still, 20K though? Wow! ???
What's your pitch m8.
I love hearing canvassing techniques..
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hehe thanks mick, sorry about the long post i see how you mean now , its normally people who need a bit of extra money and when they leave you very easily replace them i wish i was like that but i get annoyed when people leave! or stop turning up
solar 1 in 200 :o id be a millionaire that's 5 per thousand my average first clean price is going to be minimum £30 so that's £150 total (not including extras) x 25 is £3750 thats a profit of £2250 based on that figure all i would do is triple the drop 75,000 for £4,500 brings in £11250 profit of £6750
hehe 1 in 200 mate ill be onto a winner i wish it would be like that, i think ill call it a success if i get about 1 per thousand so say 25 good customers which will bring in about £750
i know i could get that canvassed my self in a good week but ive had enof of begging for now i wana try this out :)
Carl good point but if i plan to expand ill need to drop in jan and spring and summer im expecting spring to be better i just hope i get around 25 customers out of it im gona keep my expectations low not to get upset and hopefully ill continue the leaflet dream of people ringing you up so i can charge them properly :)
i wana see lees breakdown too so wana say thanks to him again for sharing this info otherwise i wouldn't have looked at this seriously so far what ive heard from him you gota admit you cant say its not worth a try
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hehe thanks mick, sorry about the long post i see how you mean now , its normally people who need a bit of extra money and when they leave you very easily replace them i wish i was like that but i get annoyed when people leave! or stop turning up
solar 1 in 200 :o id be a millionaire that's 5 per thousand my average first clean price is going to be minimum £30 so that's £150 total (not including extras) x 25 is £3750 thats a profit of £2250 based on that figure all i would do is triple the drop 75,000 for £4,500 brings in £11250 profit of £6750
hehe 1 in 200 mate ill be onto a winner i wish it would be like that, i think ill call it a success if i get about 1 per thousand so say 25 good customers which will bring in about £750
i know i could get that canvassed my self in a good week but ive had enof of begging for now i wana try this out :)
Carl good point but if i plan to expand ill need to drop in jan and spring and summer im expecting spring to be better i just hope i get around 25 customers out of it im gona keep my expectations low not to get upset and hopefully ill continue the leaflet dream of people ringing you up so i can charge them properly :)
i wana see lees breakdown too so wana say thanks to him again for sharing this info otherwise i wouldn't have looked at this seriously so far what ive heard from him you gota admit you cant say its not worth a try
email me m8
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Thats the thing crystal you dont need the canvassers for long as it doesnt take that long to build up. I built 2nd round up in 4 months from canvassing and hitting the sale/sold boards by using 2 canvassers and myself. many local cleaners to me leaflet and where i have hit the last year hard canvassing those leaflets from others have helped me gain the customer from where they hadnt got round to phoning or chasing a window cleaner. I only advertise in 1 place which is a free advert on yell.com and i get 30 odd calls from that in summer months. If you want to throw money on jogpost just to deliver maybe it would be worthwhile spending your money on a big add on yell or similar and find your own leafleters. Id deliver mine myself with the mrs and my daughter and pay my cleaners to do some too. No need to throw away 20k for a middle man to get rich out of.
Id recomend you canvas the area you want to the max and then use leaflets to fill in the gaps to compact it to the brim. Thats what im going to do anyway. Never ever dropped a leaflet in my life so going to give it a go in new year with 50000 leaflets inside my area if it gets me another 50-100 customers to compact things even more then happy days ill repeat the process in 6 months time.
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I gotta say I am amazed how much money people are willing to throw at leaflet dropping. :) :o
Maybe we have a high illteracy rate in Telford, but I know for sure that leaflet dropping does not work here. I personally know about 25 window cleaners in Telford, had 6 or 7 work for me in their early days and then gone off and done their own thing. Some leaflet dropped and spend thousands doing so. They averaged less than 1 customer per 200 leaflets. They then went canvassing and eventually, as in 2 to 4 months, got enough work for 5 days a week! They only canvassed 1 or 2 evenings a week too.
I have a very high success rate with canvassing because I know how to pitch it. I think paying someone to canvass without teaching them how to pitch, could be a waste of time. Notice that I said teaching and not telling, there is a difference. The pitch needs to be right, if it is, work will come.
I suppose it is horses for courses though. What works for one, may not work for another. Still, 20K though? Wow! ???
What's your pitch m8.
I love hearing canvassing techniques..
Nothing flash at all. I just ask if they need a window cleaner! But I think and have been told by many customers that image is everything. I never go in work clothes or looking a million dollars either, but smart. I am clean shaven, not tattooed or pierced, smile, turn on the charm and KABOOM, I have customers! You gotta be honest, friendly and believable, three qualities which are often sadly lacking these days. (Not aimed at anyone, just a sweeping statement.)
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canvassing or leafletting, would someone please explain to why why spending £20k and getting a return increased turnover of 80K a year plus £14k of exras on top of that turnover is a bad return within a 12 month period.
It doesnt matter how much money you spend on what if you get the reurn, that is the important bit. Why does everyone keep missing that poin? I just dont get it?
The only reason I was able to spend that much on that is because ive spent years and lots of money trying and testing my methods to a point where I have the experience and confidence to spend that and know I will get the return.
If you went to any business investor like dragons den and proved a 4 fold return on investment or better within 12 months they would take your hand off.
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Thats the thing crystal you dont need the canvassers for long as it doesnt take that long to build up. I built 2nd round up in 4 months from canvassing and hitting the sale/sold boards by using 2 canvassers and myself. many local cleaners to me leaflet and where i have hit the last year hard canvassing those leaflets from others have helped me gain the customer from where they hadnt got round to phoning or chasing a window cleaner. I only advertise in 1 place which is a free advert on yell.com and i get 30 odd calls from that in summer months. If you want to throw money on jogpost just to deliver maybe it would be worthwhile spending your money on a big add on yell or similar and find your own leafleters. Id deliver mine myself with the mrs and my daughter and pay my cleaners to do some too. No need to throw away 20k for a middle man to get rich out of.
Id recomend you canvas the area you want to the max and then use leaflets to fill in the gaps to compact it to the brim. Thats what im going to do anyway. Never ever dropped a leaflet in my life so going to give it a go in new year with 50000 leaflets inside my area if it gets me another 50-100 customers to compact things even more then happy days ill repeat the process in 6 months time.
you really are my canvassing man.
every time i read a post of yours on canvassing it fills me with hope and dread. ;) even though my last canvassed custies are 80% still with us.
i hate canvassing with a vengeance, but every time i read your success with canvassing i get that feeling to goo out and bash some doors. it never happens lol , i have not canvassed in 2 years.
what is your sales pitch ?
i know its a vague question but i take onboard all comments/help.
i have mass leafletted with great response but the 1k per month costs are a weight i would not mind shedding?
now dont get me wrong all lee pryors advice to me has transformed my thoughts and business. and he really is a superb business man and entrepreneur in his approach.
however i never put all my eggs in 1 basket.
i am thinking of doing 150k leaflets next year which would cost £11k and not canvas.
or
should i do 500 per week and canvass them after = 26k leaflets =£1200 and me delivering em in my areas and only the houses i want, then canvassing them..thats probably an hour to deliver them each day and 3 hours knocking everyday. so 4 hrs solid drop & knock. (i would knock the day after BTW)
what would be your expected return of knocking 500 doors custie wise without pre leafletting them ? and again what would your expected return on a pre leafletted custie be?
is 20 new custies after a leaflet drop of 500 leaflets to be expected? if so thats a massive ROI lol.
1000 just leafletted custies with a 1% return max= 10 new custies = cost £100+ = £10 each and quite solid custies after they ring you.( not always the case by the way)
the gaining new custies ideas really really enlightens me...
talk about a massive choice????
i even tried to employ a salesman but my advances drew nothing last year, tried gumtree , even the jobcentre........thats how much i hate canvassing.
500 new leafletted custies canvassed with a 1/10 ratio should produce 50 new custies, say half these are messers etc , thats still 25 new custies per 500 lealflets
or have i got my numbers all wrong?
mick its over to you
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Cheers carl i always find between 60 and 80% will still be there if serviced well after 6 months. I just love the canvas world combined with window cleaning as it fits together perfectly i cant answere about leafleting before canvassing as i dint see the point in making 2 trips to the same house to get custom,
before window cleaning canvassing i used to build up milk rounds for milkman which is a verey hard sell so i can take al the negatives and the millions of no's the people want to give on the chin and keep fighting for that lovely word yes.
Ill explain how i built my 2nd round so rapid. I source an area of a 5 mile radious or thereabouts thati want to hit and fine toothpick the whole area making note of all the busy roads, roads with big victorian houses with big bay windows and roads with houses that have dorma windows( where are near impossible to hit with ladders safely). Also roads near a lot of greenary trees etc then lastly i go to the quiet lanes with massive houses with long driveways i try stay away from council areas and normal terrace/semi style houses untill i finish all my targeted work.
i then get a few canvassers together and start with hitting the busy main roads first as thats where you hit the best results. I always start the new deals for a saturday when first building that same week so can benefit from neighbours seeing you and asking for theres to be done too. My target aim is 2 nights canvassing for a full days work on main roads which 9 times out of 10 is achievable. I got a full weeks work (2-250 a day) on just the busy main roads alone by the end of the first month.
The next stage was all the big victorian terrace houses and dormas aiming for front only cleans at £10 a pop which took slightly longer to get than the busy main roads but still can get a good hit rate taking 2-3 evenings to get a days work with 3 canvassers. We built up 2 solid weeks of this type of house from 22 roads over 2 months canvassing 3 nights a week. Again £250 a day 25 jobs still booking. Then to fill the last week we hit all the other areas i picked out where we got a week of £300+ days work from the biggies mixed with the sappy greenary houses.thats when i call it a day with the canvassers when the full month is there after 4 months of 3 evenings a week canvassing(roughly give or take).
Throughout the process i got mega amounts of messers but they are to be expected in the canvassing game.
next step i sourced a cleaner to work with me, after training him up i like to try and compact my round to the max so i play my sale/sd game(you have to play it as a game or it gets to tedious searching for sold houses all day long)
i jot down in a book the address of every for sale and sold board in a 3 sectioned table(for sale, sold and moved in). I wont bore you with the story on those as is self explanitry i waited for the sold boards to go over the weeks/months of working the round and pounce the new owners with a simple pitchof,"hi i have noticed you have just moved in, im the local window cleaner around here and im guessing you would like to be put on the books". and 9times out of 10 they do. I have been doing that since may untill present and have over 1000 addresses in my book that im waiting on pouncing on when the sold boards go down. the list grows and grows each week which is getting to be a headache as is a job on its own now looking for them all through the week and pouncing them on a sunday however its gaining me an extra 20-30 new customers a month from just playing a waiting and observing game.
In the new year thats where the leaflets will come in which im a newbie to so havnt a clue how that will go but from lee's description of it it hopefully will be a success. i will leaflet all the roads i already clean in and hopefully hit another 50 customers from 50000 leaflets. The target is to have £300-350 a day of compact work from this round and At the mo those 50 customers i hopefully get from leaflets will be that icing on the cake and target complete. That is where ill source another worker to help clean the round and get on with starting to build round 3.
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Cheers carl i always find between 60 and 80% will still be there if serviced well after 6 months. I just love the canvas world combined with window cleaning as it fits together perfectly i cant answere about leafleting before canvassing as i dint see the point in making 2 trips to the same house to get custom,
before window cleaning canvassing i used to build up milk rounds for milkman which is a verey hard sell so i can take al the negatives and the millions of no's the people want to give on the chin and keep fighting for that lovely word yes.
Ill explain how i built my 2nd round so rapid. I source an area of a 5 mile radious or thereabouts thati want to hit and fine toothpick the whole area making note of all the busy roads, roads with big victorian houses with big bay windows and roads with houses that have dorma windows( where are near impossible to hit with ladders safely). Also roads near a lot of greenary trees etc then lastly i go to the quiet lanes with massive houses with long driveways i try stay away from council areas and normal terrace/semi style houses untill i finish all my targeted work.
i then get a few canvassers together and start with hitting the busy main roads first as thats where you hit the best results. I always start the new deals for a saturday when first building that same week so can benefit from neighbours seeing you and asking for theres to be done too. My target aim is 2 nights canvassing for a full days work on main roads which 9 times out of 10 is achievable. I got a full weeks work (2-250 a day) on just the busy main roads alone by the end of the first month.
The next stage was all the big victorian terrace houses and dormas aiming for front only cleans at £10 a pop which took slightly longer to get than the busy main roads but still can get a good hit rate taking 2-3 evenings to get a days work with 3 canvassers. We built up 2 solid weeks of this type of house from 22 roads over 2 months canvassing 3 nights a week. Again £250 a day 25 jobs still booking. Then to fill the last week we hit all the other areas i picked out where we got a week of £300+ days work from the biggies mixed with the sappy greenary houses.thats when i call it a day with the canvassers when the full month is there after 4 months of 3 evenings a week canvassing(roughly give or take).
Throughout the process i got mega amounts of messers but they are to be expected in the canvassing game.
next step i sourced a cleaner to work with me, after training him up i like to try and compact my round to the max so i play my sale/sd game(you have to play it as a game or it gets to tedious searching for sold houses all day long)
i jot down in a book the address of every for sale and sold board in a 3 sectioned table(for sale, sold and moved in). I wont bore you with the story on those as is self explanitry i waited for the sold boards to go over the weeks/months of working the round and pounce the new owners with a simple pitchof,"hi i have noticed you have just moved in, im the local window cleaner around here and im guessing you would like to be put on the books". and 9times out of 10 they do. I have been doing that since may untill present and have over 1000 addresses in my book that im waiting on pouncing on when the sold boards go down. the list grows and grows each week which is getting to be a headache as is a job on its own now looking for them all through the week and pouncing them on a sunday however its gaining me an extra 20-30 new customers a month from just playing a waiting and observing game.
In the new year thats where the leaflets will come in which im a newbie to so havnt a clue how that will go but from lee's description of it it hopefully will be a success. i will leaflet all the roads i already clean in and hopefully hit another 50 customers from 50000 leaflets. The target is to have £300-350 a day of compact work from this round and At the mo those 50 customers i hopefully get from leaflets will be that icing on the cake and target complete. That is where ill source another worker to help clean the round and get on with starting to build round 3.
whaaa thats a fantastic information, thanks Mick :)
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Is this end of year video going to be something along the lines of the Queens broadcast on Christmas Day?
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Cheers carl i always find between 60 and 80% will still be there if serviced well after 6 months. I just love the canvas world combined with window cleaning as it fits together perfectly i cant answere about leafleting before canvassing as i dint see the point in making 2 trips to the same house to get custom,
before window cleaning canvassing i used to build up milk rounds for milkman which is a verey hard sell so i can take al the negatives and the millions of no's the people want to give on the chin and keep fighting for that lovely word yes.
Ill explain how i built my 2nd round so rapid. I source an area of a 5 mile radious or thereabouts thati want to hit and fine toothpick the whole area making note of all the busy roads, roads with big victorian houses with big bay windows and roads with houses that have dorma windows( where are near impossible to hit with ladders safely). Also roads near a lot of greenary trees etc then lastly i go to the quiet lanes with massive houses with long driveways i try stay away from council areas and normal terrace/semi style houses untill i finish all my targeted work.
i then get a few canvassers together and start with hitting the busy main roads first as thats where you hit the best results. I always start the new deals for a saturday when first building that same week so can benefit from neighbours seeing you and asking for theres to be done too. My target aim is 2 nights canvassing for a full days work on main roads which 9 times out of 10 is achievable. I got a full weeks work (2-250 a day) on just the busy main roads alone by the end of the first month.
The next stage was all the big victorian terrace houses and dormas aiming for front only cleans at £10 a pop which took slightly longer to get than the busy main roads but still can get a good hit rate taking 2-3 evenings to get a days work with 3 canvassers. We built up 2 solid weeks of this type of house from 22 roads over 2 months canvassing 3 nights a week. Again £250 a day 25 jobs still booking. Then to fill the last week we hit all the other areas i picked out where we got a week of £300+ days work from the biggies mixed with the sappy greenary houses.thats when i call it a day with the canvassers when the full month is there after 4 months of 3 evenings a week canvassing(roughly give or take).
Throughout the process i got mega amounts of messers but they are to be expected in the canvassing game.
next step i sourced a cleaner to work with me, after training him up i like to try and compact my round to the max so i play my sale/sd game(you have to play it as a game or it gets to tedious searching for sold houses all day long)
i jot down in a book the address of every for sale and sold board in a 3 sectioned table(for sale, sold and moved in). I wont bore you with the story on those as is self explanitry i waited for the sold boards to go over the weeks/months of working the round and pounce the new owners with a simple pitchof,"hi i have noticed you have just moved in, im the local window cleaner around here and im guessing you would like to be put on the books". and 9times out of 10 they do. I have been doing that since may untill present and have over 1000 addresses in my book that im waiting on pouncing on when the sold boards go down. the list grows and grows each week which is getting to be a headache as is a job on its own now looking for them all through the week and pouncing them on a sunday however its gaining me an extra 20-30 new customers a month from just playing a waiting and observing game.
In the new year thats where the leaflets will come in which im a newbie to so havnt a clue how that will go but from lee's description of it it hopefully will be a success. i will leaflet all the roads i already clean in and hopefully hit another 50 customers from 50000 leaflets. The target is to have £300-350 a day of compact work from this round and At the mo those 50 customers i hopefully get from leaflets will be that icing on the cake and target complete. That is where ill source another worker to help clean the round and get on with starting to build round 3.
are you still canvassing in the winter months, like right now, WOULD YOU?
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The only canvassing i do now is my sw1 london work and to replace any dropout customers here and there.
Canvassing in the dark winter nights is easier to get results than summer as you dont waste your time knocking on houses where you can see they are clearly not home. Also all the chancer window cleaners or the window cleaners who arnt reliable over winter months there customers will want a better reliable service. Last year i canvassed with all the snow and picked up massive amounts of new custom in the days where everyone was home so yes canvassing winter is defo worthwhile im you can man the cold.
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I see that knowone that has disagreed with me has answered my last post on here
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return on investment. found it. ;D
I don't agree it's easy to get canvassers. I have advertised time and again and offered good money, not just commission based, and not a single peson was interested.
put an add on gumtree stateing easy canvassing job available in the window cleaning market. x 2 vacancies gaining customers averaging 5 leads an hour at x amount per lead.
i must be lucky then as i always find them either from working, down the pub, customers unemployed sons etc. just put the word out your looking for canvassers. even tell your staff that they need to do it with you to maintain there work load. better still go out on your own and canvass yourself.
http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/door-to-door-canvasser-required-for-successful-window-cleaning-company/1004578005
1 applicant from that who could barely speak english. I'm not having a pop Mick, I want to understand how to get good canvassers as that's part of my moving forward plan but nobody seems to want to do it. I think that advery is offering a reasonable wage and flexability.
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canvassing or leafletting, would someone please explain to why why spending £20k and getting a return increased turnover of 80K a year plus £14k of exras on top of that turnover is a bad return within a 12 month period.
It doesnt matter how much money you spend on what if you get the reurn, that is the important bit. Why does everyone keep missing that poin? I just dont get it?
The only reason I was able to spend that much on that is because ive spent years and lots of money trying and testing my methods to a point where I have the experience and confidence to spend that and know I will get the return.
If you went to any business investor like dragons den and proved a 4 fold return on investment or better within 12 months they would take your hand off.
No because what you said makes perfect sence and i will be using your advice to better myself I couldnt agree more that 80k for a 20k investment is pucka. I just challanged you to why you thought canvassing didnt come close to leafletting. You surely must agree that canvassing would make a massivly more compact business over soley leafletting covering a more dense area, you are making out estras are the be all and end all with leaflets which they arnt anybody can pursue extras to there business.
Also you can chase the extras from any angle you work not just through a leaflet. Like i said i give all signed up customes a welcome letter explaining all which brings in loads of extras however i do prefere repeat monthly compact work over relying on IF a customer wants extras doing.
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return on investment. found it. ;D
I don't agree it's easy to get canvassers. I have advertised time and again and offered good money, not just commission based, and not a single peson was interested.
put an add on gumtree stateing easy canvassing job available in the window cleaning market. x 2 vacancies gaining customers averaging 5 leads an hour at x amount per lead.
i must be lucky then as i always find them either from working, down the pub, customers unemployed sons etc. just put the word out your looking for canvassers. even tell your staff that they need to do it with you to maintain there work load. better still go out on your own and canvass yourself.
http://www.gumtree.com/p/jobs/door-to-door-canvasser-required-for-successful-window-cleaning-company/1004578005
1 applicant from that who could barely speak english. I'm not having a pop Mick, I want to understand how to get good canvassers as that's part of my moving forward plan but nobody seems to want to do it. I think that advery is offering a reasonable wage and flexability.
As stupid as it sounds but you want to use youngsters or blokes who do it for beer money even foreinors. I have had asian black, polish all sorts they still bring in the work. Dont expect to get a top salesman to work for you knocking on doors coz it will never happen. A customer is a customer at the end of the day, if a trampy looking bloke can still pull 6 customers an eve in then happy days.
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I see that knowone that has disagreed with me has answered my last post on here
I don't disagree, I'm just very surprised. But as I said before, fair play to ya. It is a good return, but I'm sure Peter jones would try to get you to canvass and get 5 times your return! ;) ;D
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I see that knowone that has disagreed with me has answered my last post on here
I don't disagree, I'm just very surprised. But as I said before, fair play to ya. It is a good return, but I'm sure Peter jones would try to get you to canvass and get 5 times your return! ;) ;D
The best things for me about leafleting are
1. You don't have to deal with canvassers (it is far less hassle)
2. You have a lot more control over what is said to your customers when they sign up
3. You have a lot more control over prices
4. It is a lot easier to do on a large scale than canvassing
for these reasons it suits the goals for my business much more.
a point that has been a little undersold on the extras advertised on leaflets is that you are advertising all your services to all houses leafleted.
if you are sending your new clients a letter with services on them, you are only advertising to this much smaller (albeit more targeted) group of potential customers
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I see that knowone that has disagreed with me has answered my last post on here
I don't disagree, I'm just very surprised. But as I said before, fair play to ya. It is a good return, but I'm sure Peter jones would try to get you to canvass and get 5 times your return! ;) ;D
The best things for me about leafleting are
1. You don't have to deal with canvassers (it is far less hassle)
2. You have a lot more control over what is said to your customers when they sign up
3. You have a lot more control over prices
4. It is a lot easier to do on a large scale than canvassing
for these reasons it suits the goals for my business much more.
a point that has been a little undersold on the extras advertised on leaflets is that you are advertising all your services to all houses leafleted.
if you are sending your new clients a letter with services on them, you are only advertising to this much smaller (albeit more targeted) group of potential customers
I dont see where you are getting with hassle from canvassers. They are only hassle if you dont train them right. I never have serious issues of complaints and many can back me up on that.
I ring most of the canvassed customers to sort any queerys they may have and to make sure they want regular. As for control over prices how te hell do you get better control from a call centre pricing up??? A canvasser would price exactly how i would want which is the case.
True about the extras i get where your comeing from but for me a better business would be repeat work from regular customers so that 80k lee talks about at the end of the year is every year and not just from the result of extras from a leaflet drop that year id see it as grief going out my way to do a gutter clean or soffit clean when id have a full to the brim day of regular domestic straight forward window cleaning.
Sorry to you and lee if im coming accross argumentative as i dont mean to come accross that way but window cleaning for me has always been the 3 c's
Canvass-clean-collect. As straight forward as that. Repeat that process 1000+ times and you will have a great business it is that simple. I dont know why people make ojt its anything else but that.
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This has been a good post much better than all the arguing going off on here of late.
Looks to me that both leafleting and canvassing are exellent ways to build up a business. More than one way to skin a cat ;D
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Lee. How many vans do you have out per day? How many staff per van?
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This has been a good post much better than all the arguing going off on here of late.
Looks to me that both leafleting and canvassing are exellent ways to build up a business. More than one way to skin a cat ;D
i think thats because all the major input bar mine has come from bigger companies with vast experience.
i love these type of threads aswell m8
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Lee & Mick
I can see both view points. Lee I think you have some great advice and agree with what you say.I have only been going 6 months and in that time I have canvassed most evenings in the summer and every saturday now the evenings are dark.
I wish I had the money to have a massive leaflet drop like you,but I simply dont have the funds. Every penny I earn goes to new leaflets and equipment etc.
I target the top end properties £1m-6M. In my experience these guys do not respond to leaflets flyers etc. I spent a lot of money having high quality flyers done and then dropped them myself. The response was rubbish. However when I call back on the same houses, dressed smart,all the banter, I pick up lots of regular and one offs. These people all ways say to me " that we never respond to leaflets". I manage to convert 75-80% of these customers simply because they can see " a face not a leaflet ". I never undercut or nick other guys work and so far have had only a couple of messers.
Mick is right canvassing really does work and TBH I enjoy it as I can personally suse the customer and use the opportunity to target additional work. I think is horses for courses and that you are both right. I have also picked up some amazing referrals, an £100 x 6 weekly and a £80 x 6 weekly just this week because I was told to go to a neighbour and ask for them personally.
You will not get that with leaflets drops in the market that I target. Having said that when I have additional funds I will leaflet drop the lower end of the market as one of my boys wants to come and work for me.
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Lee. How many vans do you have out per day? How many staff per van?
2 and 2
getting another van it the new year/summer depending on growth. that will have 1 man since you make more money that way rather than with 2 men per van, so we will have a bit of both.
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Have you taken another person on in the last week Lee? cos as you know I was told just last week by one of your men that you had 2 vans , one with 2 men and 1 with 1 man. I would like to know how you can turnover £25k (average £22k) per month with only 3 men (2 of those men in the same van) , that is a phenominal turnover per man of in excess of £90k per annum per man by my crude estimations , i must be doing something wrong.
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Hi Lee,
On your leaflet you have four vans and why all the poles when you only have four staff or am I missing something ???
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Hi Lee,
On your leaflet you have four vans and why all the poles when you only have four staff or am I missing something ???
photoshop is a great tool
4 staff and lee is 5 (if Lee has 4 i dont have a clue) different size poles for different jobs not really that hard to work out, just looks alot all lined up.
I bet Alex was rubbing his hands that day.
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Hi Lee,
On your leaflet you have four vans and why all the poles when you only have four staff or am I missing something ???
photoshop is a great tool
4 staff and lee is 5 (if Lee has 4 i dont have a clue) different size poles for different jobs not really that hard to work out, just looks alot all lined up.
I bet Alex was rubbing his hands that day.
I bet Alex was rubbing his hands that day. :) :)
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where do you advertise to find such hard working people i heard u train them up too?
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having spoken to lee i know his men do approx 500 a day in two man team so 2 vans x £500 is £1000 a day x 22 days is £22000 a month
must be nice and compact work to do 500 a day
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but according to one of his men who i spoke to last week he only has 3 men, 2 in 1 van and 1 in another.
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where do you advertise to find such hard working people i heard u train them up too?
might not be so topic related but this question i feel is a good one!,getting workers to hard as hard as that is bloody amazing. where do you find em surley not gumtree or direct gv?
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Can i ask who is bothered if lee has 3,4,5,6,7,8 or a hundred men working for him? I am not bothered in the slightest.
His posts are informative and helpful.
Why get on his case?
Is it a my cars better than your car sort of thing?
Come on.
We all know lee is going to have 10 vans minimum in the next 5 years.
Hat off too you lee.
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Can i ask who is bothered if lee has 3,4,5,6,7,8 or a hundred men working for him? I am not bothered in the slightest.
His posts are informative and helpful.
Why get on his case?
Is it a my cars better than your car sort of thing?
Come on.
We all know lee is going to have 10 vans minimum in the next 5 years.
Hat off too you lee.
Well said :)
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I really dont care who you speak to matt. I also dont care what you think of my business or its turnover. And the more you dig me on here the more of a twat your making yourself look.
I wonder how many times you think you can call me a lier in a public place before you upset me. Tell you what why dont you go run your business and I will just do the same. I really wouldnt call me a lier for a third time mate.
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Hi Lee,
On your leaflet you have four vans and why all the poles when you only have four staff or am I missing something ???
So you think 1x27 2x18 a spare 22 and a 40 to share is to much for each van? I dont
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Can i ask who is bothered if lee has 3,4,5,6,7,8 or a hundred men working for him? I am not bothered in the slightest.
His posts are informative and helpful.
Why get on his case?
Is it a my cars better than your car sort of thing?
Come on.
We all know lee is going to have 10 vans minimum in the next 5 years.
Hat off too you lee.
+ 1
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Not at all,like someone said earlier it does look a lot when there all side by side,it does look a lot of poles though it's not as you say,I'm not having a dig just curious and good luck to you as I too am quite local yet interested as your flyer came through my door a week or so ago,very impressed.
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Not at all,like someone said earlier it does look a lot when there all side by side,it does look a lot of poles though it's not as you say,I'm not having a dig just curious and good luck to you as I too am quite local yet interested as your flyer came through my door a week or so ago,very impressed.
post up the flyer
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Not at all,like someone said earlier it does look a lot when there all side by side,it does look a lot of poles though it's not as you say,I'm not having a dig just curious and good luck to you as I too am quite local yet interested as your flyer came through my door a week or so ago,very impressed.
That is the ideal amount for 4 people. I know one man bands with that many! where are you slash
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Not at all,like someone said earlier it does look a lot when there all side by side,it does look a lot of poles though it's not as you say,I'm not having a dig just curious and good luck to you as I too am quite local yet interested as your flyer came through my door a week or so ago,very impressed.
post up the flyer
I would rather he didnt thanks
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Not at all,like someone said earlier it does look a lot when there all side by side,it does look a lot of poles though it's not as you say,I'm not having a dig just curious and good luck to you as I too am quite local yet interested as your flyer came through my door a week or so ago,very impressed.
That is the ideal amount for 4 people. I know one man bands with that many! where are you slash
Dazmond has more. ;D
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there we go then, ;D
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I just carry two as one might snap and a 65 footer as when needed,I'm in Leatherhead so not far. I know Matt and find his threads helpful as I do with yours and you both are an insperation for a one man band like me.
I hope that in the near future I can be successful like you both.
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where do you advertise to find such hard working people i heard u train them up too?
might not be so topic related but this question i feel is a good one!,getting workers to hard as hard as that is bloody amazing. where do you find em surley not gumtree or direct gv?
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Job centre. Ive had my problem but generally Im good at picking the right people.
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I just carry two as one might snap and a 65 footer as when needed,I'm in Leatherhead so not far. I know Matt and find his threads helpful as I do with yours and you both are an insperation for a one man band like me.
I hope that in the near future I can be successful like you both.
Nice area, its as far out as we go. You will achieve what ever you want to if you want to enough
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i have been nothing but poite to you up to now Lee , all i have done is question your internet/forum claims as the way that you post you clearly want everyone to think you are running a multinational business, You obviously like your ego polished hence your posts on here. But your posts back to me have been filled with anger and the last one seems threatening!! What exactly do you intend to do if i call you a lier again? You clearly posted your figures and you want all of CIU to know your turnover , good for you if that makes you feel good. I have local knowledge that your setup doesnt match your claims on here. I agree and i have stated that Lee does indeed post informative and inspiring posts and a lot of the CIU members are inspired by him , that is all good , though I try to bring some local knowledge and reality into the world of internet forums and Lee seems to get nasty , what exactly do you propose to do to me if i call you a lier for the third time Lee?
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To be fair rouge it was prob due to me being an argumentitive arse while losing on online poker at the same time asking him questions prob not best on an open forum but fair play to lee he did post them and show me up proving hes method of being double me with the same amount of vans which i can easy work out how its done now with hes price structure and also he shut me up(1 of the few to do so on here lol).
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matt, why do you have a problem with someone polishing his ego?( if thats the case.)
You have more vans than lee, we know that, so does lee's turnover upset you?
He seems to get the best out of his van's.
Does he undercut you?
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Matt why does your profile say your a 22 year old female?
are you a female?
to be honest think you are being a bit unfair digging him up
on a forum when you both work in the same area why?
even if there is a few white lies flying about who's it hurting. :P
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Now don’t fight please boys, if it’s a matter of who has the most vans, I think DAVE and ME have the most ;D ;D ;D
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Lee
I think you have a jealous stalker !!
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Now don’t fight please boys, if it’s a matter of who has the most vans, I think DAVE and ME have the most ;D ;D ;D
its all about profit sod the vans thats vanity
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who's matt?
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Lee
I think you have a jealous stalker !!
Not half ;D
There are loads on here that are jealous of him, its a shame because it puts him off to put out informative posts in future.
By the Lee can ask how old are you ?
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who's matt?
rouge trader I think
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Not at all,like someone said earlier it does look a lot when there all side by side,it does look a lot of poles though it's not as you say,I'm not having a dig just curious and good luck to you as I too am quite local yet interested as your flyer came through my door a week or so ago,very impressed.
;D
That is the ideal amount for 4 people. I know one man bands with that many! where are you slash
Dazmond has more. ;D
;D
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So the end is near and I will soon be updating from the video I posted back in feb, I cant believe its been that long.
I will soon be revealing how many customers I got and analysing the process.
I want to prove my method far out performs canvassing companies in terms of cost per customer, retention rate and so on.
We havnt delivered any leaflets for some weeks now and we still got 14 new houses this week so I will leave it till the last few days to give the most up to date results.
I spent £20,000 on marketing this year. lets see what return on turnover that has achieved!
Finally to my question. For those that have ever paid a canvasser, what rate did you pay? 1,2,3 times the clean rate.
Im going to reveal how I paid less than £10 per customer!
From my working out with your 50/50 split of 6/12 weekly and your prices with the info you have helped and given,
you need averagly 30 jobs done per day per van. The median frequency with you 50/50 split between 6/12 weekly would be 8 so 40 working days of work as an average to get every customer done once. 60 jobs x 40 days =2400 jobs there abouts. Times your 2400 jobs by £10 and it is exactly £24000 spent. which i think is good going compared to a canvassing company who would charge more £20 a customer.
I believe you have that many customers but 2400 customers solely from leaflets i still dont believe. i reckon you must have used canvassers or some sort of customer generating/making scheme
Lee am i finaly right with workings out??? Or am i at least close.
Although i still think you would have a far less of a headache at 4 weekly needing only 1200 customers.
Cheers.
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is that the time zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :P
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Lee
I think you have a jealous stalker !!
Not half ;D
There are loads on here that are jealous of him, its a shame because it puts him off to put out informative posts in future.
By the Lee can ask how old are you ?
I am 31. I will be 32 on tue at which time im spending the afternoon in hospital having the latest test done to find out what wrong with me(dont ask) this time its the endoscope down the throat into the stomach. Yay happy birthday to me!
Mick to be honest im washed out right now trying to work our how to explain. All I can really say is we do do that much, we have built 99% from leaflets over nearly 10 years. Obviously you get jobs on the job and recomended and so on. I have canvassed over the years and am very good I just dont like it, so not much. I have never used a canvassing company and probaly never will.
I just dont know what else to say.
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Lee,
It might have been mentioned within this thread but I might have missed it...
What's your yearly turnover?
Andy
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Lee
I think you have a jealous stalker !!
Not half ;D
There are loads on here that are jealous of him, its a shame because it puts him off to put out informative posts in future.
By the Lee can ask how old are you ?
I am 31. I will be 32 on tue at which time im spending the afternoon in hospital having the latest test done to find out what wrong with me(dont ask) this time its the endoscope down the throat into the stomach. Yay happy birthday to me!
Mick to be honest im washed out right now trying to work our how to explain. All I can really say is we do do that much, we have built 99% from leaflets over nearly 10 years. Obviously you get jobs on the job and recomended and so on. I have canvassed over the years and am very good I just dont like it, so not much. I have never used a canvassing company and probaly never will.
I just dont know what else to say.
Well done Lee, you have done well for 32. i wish you all the best mate.
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Lee,
It might have been mentioned within this thread but I might have missed it...
What's your yearly turnover?
Andy
hard to be exact, this year will be about 250 hoping to add 70ish next year
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Do you add VAT to your prices, or take the hit yourself?
Andy
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Do you add VAT to your prices, or take the hit yourself?
Andy
A bit of both. I dont want to charge a customer pounds and pence, it looks silly for domestic window cleaning. When we went vat registered I increased our prices a pound or to to compensate.
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Do you add VAT to your prices, or take the hit yourself?
Andy
A bit of both. I dont want to charge a customer pounds and pence, it looks silly for domestic window cleaning. When we went vat registered I increased our prices a pound or to to compensate.
You should add to your leaflet or tell your customers that your prices are including V.A.T. will get a much better responce from your customers, You know what i mean ;)
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10 page topic ;)
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Happy birthday lee ur a couple of months younger then me! hope it goes well Tuesday I've never had that before other half has it ain't as bad as it sounds she says !
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All my topics get to ten pages lol!!! ;)
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just bloody get on with it
Where is the vid ?
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just bloody get on with it
Where is the vid ?
I was thinking the same half way through reading all the waffle ;D