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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on December 04, 2012, 11:11:35 pm
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I really think the big companies have missed a trick here.
we are currently installing hot wash into our vans (gas) and like everything else I do I have spent months obsessing over learning as much as I can. Ive been and tried just about everything regarding this subject in the last few months.
Here is what I concluded.
Diesels are a total waste of money. they cost thousands to buy, run on diesel which is very expensive. They take time to get hot and then dont actualy get that hot. Cost loads if they go wrong and so on
Gas options cost next to nothing, in fact the same as an average pole. Ive paid £98 for the heater, £50 for the flue kit, and £30 for 19kg propane bottle. Gas gets hot faster, gets hotter, is a fraction to buy and run and if it goes wrong I will simply buy another just as you would a pole that wore out.
ok many have a 20 min timer as do ours but you can get them without it. So unless im missing something why would you pay £3000 when you could pay less than £200 for something that in fact out performs diesel in every way?
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I really think the big companies have missed a trick here.
we are currently installing hot wash into our vans (gas) and like everything else I do I have spent months obsessing over learning as much as I can. Ive been and tried just about everything regarding this subject in the last few months.
Here is what I concluded.
Diesels are a total waste of money. they cost thousands to buy, run on diesel which is very expensive. They take time to get hot and then dont actualy get that hot. Cost loads if they go wrong and so on
Gas options cost next to nothing, in fact the same as an average pole. Ive paid £98 for the heater, £50 for the flue kit, and £30 for 19kg propane bottle. Gas gets hot faster, gets hotter, is a fraction to buy and run and if it goes wrong I will simply buy another just as you would a pole that wore out.
ok many have a 20 min timer as do ours but you can get them without it. So unless im missing something why would you pay £3000 when you could pay less than £200 for something that in fact out performs diesel in every way?
concept 2O use LPG too.
the only hassle i find is needing to re fuel it weekly
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Yes they do and I think its a very good system. I also think they charge to much for it. hey its costing you alot less to run that than a diesel
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I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.
I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.
I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.
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Yes they do and I think its a very good system. I also think they charge to much for it. hey its costing you alot less to run that than a diesel
do you know how much LPG youll carry Lee, and how long it'll last?
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I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.
I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.
I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.
And there we have it.
Im not one for looking for the cheapest option with things rather value for money. I dont mind paying more if it beneffits to do so. My vans have crash tested systems in and I didnt mind paying more for this.
But I think the whole hot water thing is a total rip off I really do. I tried a thermopure and it took ages to get warm and was then only luke warm?????? I dont clean myself anymore but lets say im doing a neck breaking fascia and soffit clean then I want the water piping hot dont you?
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I looked at installing gas, but A Plan could not find anyone who would insure the van, so went with another Webasto. Have a look round webasto dealers in your area, and get a price from them to supply and fit. There was a guy i found on google, a sole trader, who traveled around the south supplying and installing webasto and eberspacher.
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Yes they do and I think its a very good system. I also think they charge to much for it. hey its costing you alot less to run that than a diesel
do you know how much LPG youll carry Lee, and how long it'll last?
A good question.
My vans will have the biggest we can which is 19kg propane. we will install valves that tell us the gas level and I have done a deal with the local supplier for free delivery to my unit of new bottles. So when we see they are running out its one call and the same day delivered for a swap over.
I would say my reaserch tells me that if we use hot on every house which we will a bottle will last 3 weeks, maybe 4. £30 a refil. I dont think thats to bad. Those that can refil themselves at a petrol station will pay even less.
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totally agree lee. gas all the way
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Do the ones that use gas do you have this on your insurance, have stickers on outside of van and fire extinguishers. ?
If so who do you use for insurance and where have you found the best place for the extinguishers and stickers ?
Cheers
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Hi Lee,
Could you let me know where you sourced you heater etc?
Rob
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''Do the ones that use gas do you have this on your insurance''
I was in contact with a guy that was selling window cleaning vans converted with a gas heater, with a flue, and he admitted it would be a problem getting the van insured.
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Would be a problem or could be a problem? My broker wasn't bothered - their main concern was the total weight. Motorhomes carry gas and are generally very cheap to insure. Builders and plumbers carry it and many cars are powered by it. I wonder which company concept 2o recommend?
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Insurance?
1) It is a legal requirement to have all mobile catering vehicles and trailers that have gas equipment installed, inspected by a Gas Safe registered engineer at least every 12 months.
2) Unless made before 1996 all gas equipment must be of a proprietary manufacture and be CE marked, which means that it has been tested by an approved test house, and conforms to a European standard.
To have none CE equipment installed means that the Gas Safe Engineer should not issue a certificate. The fact is that some Gas Safe engineers are issuing certificates to trailers that have none CE marked equipment for whatever reason.
This has now come to the attention of both Gas safe and the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) who are taking action against these engineers.
Even more worrying is that this could easily render the caterers insurance void as most policies have a clause in them to say that the insured must be operating within the law to be covered under the policy
3) It is illegal to remove or replace any piece of gas equipment, the only exception to this is if the equipment has been fitted with ‘snap connector’ type hoses unless you are a Gas Safe registered engineer
4) It is illegal to service a piece of Gas equipment unless you are a Gas Safe registered engineer
( see below)
A Gas Safe engineer has to have additional qualifications to work on LPG catering equipment so make sure that the engineer working in your business is suitably qualified.
Ok, a quick cut and paste that is applicable to another trade, food wagons.
I believe they also require a separate cabinet made from a certain thickness steel to carry the LPG bottle, which is also separate from the main body of the vehicle, or something similar.
Whilst these DIY kits certainly produce hot water, it's worth noting the risks and legalities involved.
I know insurance companies are strict at the best of times, just try telling them you have a naked flame heater near a ratcheted in gas bottle, I'm sure it won't add to your annual premium. ;D
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Catering vehicle?
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Interesting.
http://www.healthandsafetytips.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=19187
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Catering vehicle?
It relates to LPG installations. Which is relevant to these systems.
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I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.
I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.
I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.
Totally agree. Really disappointed with my PF diesel heater. Big waste of money IMO. Ironic thing is I bought it because a few people on this forum raved about it.
Believe I was misled by PF because I specifically asked if the batteries would be up to the job and they really are not.
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i think ill stick to my diy cold system with pumpbox,less hassle,no extra insurances etc,etc.
ive had no problems working with a cold system in 2 and a half years wfp.
it seems to me that you cant get proper insurance if you have gas bottles in the van and the diesel systems are way expensive to buy and run!!
.........im OUT!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
dazmond
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I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.
I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.
I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.
Totally agree. Really disappointed with my PF diesel heater. Big waste of money IMO. Ironic thing is I bought it because a few people on this forum raved about it.
Believe I was misled by PF because I specifically asked if the batteries would be up to the job and they really are not.
You need a decent auto charger, i have no probs with ours. I run two batteries crossed over. With regards to the heat, can you not adjust the temp on the PF set ups?
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didnt take long for dazmond to pipe up, maybe up north you cant afford the £1 extra per day of gas,
i've bought the same heater as you lee, waiting for it to be delivered, not happy with being forced to use cold for a few days especially when i really need to the temp here is currently zero
let all the cold users slate it, ignorance IMO
diesel heaters are a waste of money, only advantage is the companys who sell them make tonnes of money,
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didnt take long for dazmond to pipe up, maybe up north you cant afford the £1 extra per day of gas,
i've bought the same heater as you lee, waiting for it to be delivered, not happy with being forced to use cold for a few days especially when i really need to the temp here is currently zero
let all the cold users slate it, ignorance IMO
diesel heaters are a waste of money, only advantage is the companys who sell them make tonnes of money,
as your using hot, could you answer my question ? I am not a hater by the way I am looking to do this myself so very interested to find out.
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Everyone seems to smooth over the fact you are carrying a gas bottle and carbon monoxide release in the back of your van, if you happen to be involved in a road accident whats the point in a crash tested system if you have a gas bottle in van strapped in, my guess is your van will explode on impact or burst in to flames the flash level of lpg is a lot higher than diesel hence why diesel heaters can be the only safe method of heating your water except immersion heaters but then if your keeping all the water warm you then need to consider leigonella bacteria! So a point of use diesel in my opinion is the only safe method. What about the carbon monoxide some people dont flue their system this will cause a build up of the low lying gas even if your van doors are open!! The only safe gas operated heated system is probably a concept 20 one as they have shut off valves and a proer gas conversion
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When i weighed everything up i realised i`d need to use less physical energy to clean and i was happy to accept there was a cost to that.The cost is debatable due to increased speed though.
Then a close look at what was out there and the economics suggested Fogwash types win hands down and that was adopting a dump and get 2 more policy as a breakdown strategy!
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I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often
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I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often
looking forward to the pictures
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going to do a detailed video of this and our leaflet campaign results for the year in the next week or so
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I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.
I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.
I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.
Totally agree. Really disappointed with my PF diesel heater. Big waste of money IMO. Ironic thing is I bought it because a few people on this forum raved about it.
Believe I was misled by PF because I specifically asked if the batteries would be up to the job and they really are not.
You need a decent auto charger, i have no probs with ours. I run two batteries crossed over. With regards to the heat, can you not adjust the temp on the PF set ups?
I have it adjusted to the hottest setting but water only stays hot on a very low flow rate (less than 1l/min) which in turn slows down the time it takes to clean and rinse.
The system supplied by PF was fitted with 2 85amp leisure batteries which also supply power for the pump (supply for pole), I have a split charge relay to the 2 batteries and also charge when I get home using an intelligent charger. There are other issues surrounding this but I do not want to write an essay.
Bottom line - seriously unimpressed with PF especially as I was worried and asked if the batteries were up to it. Ideally need to add another battery to set-up but the van is already overloaded with the extra weight meaning I do not fill water tank right up anymore.
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I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often
How much of an increase in insurance premium have you seen?
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I don't think they have missed a trick. I think diesel installs are the trick.
I wish I'd have gone gas now as my webasto pf heater cost over 2k and is dead within 4 hours each day. Already replaced 2 batteries in as many years and I barely use it.
I think the trick is, the big companies are raking it in from these hot installs.
Totally agree. Really disappointed with my PF diesel heater. Big waste of money IMO. Ironic thing is I bought it because a few people on this forum raved about it.
Believe I was misled by PF because I specifically asked if the batteries would be up to the job and they really are not.
You need a decent auto charger, i have no probs with ours. I run two batteries crossed over. With regards to the heat, can you not adjust the temp on the PF set ups?
I have it adjusted to the hottest setting but water only stays hot on a very low flow rate (less than 1l/min) which in turn slows down the time it takes to clean and rinse.
The system supplied by PF was fitted with 2 85amp leisure batteries which also supply power for the pump (supply for pole), I have a split charge relay to the 2 batteries and also charge when I get home using an intelligent charger. There are other issues surrounding this but I do not want to write an essay.
Bottom line - seriously unimpressed with PF especially as I was worried and asked if the batteries were up to it. Ideally need to add another battery to set-up but the van is already overloaded with the extra weight meaning I do not fill water tank right up anymore.
my purefreedom set up has been excellent had it just under 3 years and only last month changed one of the batteries, mine came with two 110 amp batteries, the water gets really hot at vehicle port even when using two poles but obviously if running 100 metres of hose over cold ground it is only look warm when it reaches the pole this would happen no matter what heater you use, i can understand people using the lpg heaters as they are a lot cheaper but i would make sure for the extra cost it is fit proper with flue etc like Lee is intending to do.
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going to do a detailed video of this and our leaflet campaign results for the year in the next week or so
look forward to that Lee
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ive been using lpg water heaters for over 4 yrs, ive never had a problem with them.
ive informed my van insurance company, with no increased premium, & they said it was ok as long as it was being used for work purposes. ??
i use the heater on every job all year round, this time of year the water is only luke warm, does it help the clean, not really, but it makes the hose nice & supple & easier to use & makes your working day less of a hassle.
summer time i turn the heat up & it does help to clean sun baked bird poo, bee spots, con roofs gutters fascias etc.
i have a refillable lpg tank ( see bottom right of photo ) and for what it costs to run £10 per week is well worth it.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/007-3.jpg)
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ive been using lpg water heaters for over 4 yrs, ive never had a problem with them.
ive informed my van insurance company, with no increased premium, & they said it was ok as long as it was being used for work purposes. ??
i use the heater on every job all year round, this time of year the water is only luke warm, does it help the clean, not really, but it makes the hose nice & supple & easier to use & makes your working day less of a hassle.
summer time i turn the heat up & it does help to clean sun baked bird poo, bee spots, con roofs gutters fascias etc.
i have a refillable lpg tank ( see bottom right of photo ) and for what it costs to run £10 per week is well worth it.
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/007-3.jpg)
Great set up! Couple of questions-what do you think of the thermobore hose? And what are the ladders in the back? Thinking of some small ladders not sure whether to go telescopic
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Thermobore is good hose, ive had it since its realease, nearly 1 year ?? not had a problem so far.
the ladders are little giant pro, they are the only ladder i carry now, great for getting access for flat roofs etc & con roof cleans, you can also straddle gates with them if need be ( do a search for little giant pro ) i done a review with pics a while ago.
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oooo you have the little giant ladders we want! Any good? Also what hose is that please and do you get all these problems with the hose I keep hearing about when using hot
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i wouldnt be without my l/g ladders, i think they are great. see pics
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/004-6.jpg)
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/003-8.jpg)
the hose is thermobore ( gardiners ) im sure you knew that.
the only problem ive had is when using really hot ( hot enough to burn you ) the internal hose connector kept popping of, so i cable tied it on, see pic
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/001-4.jpg)
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I have bought proper flue kits to go through the roof of the vans. Also going to buy carbon monoxide detectors for the van cabs. everything will be secured properly in the back. I dont see that a crash is going to make everything explode. my vans pootle along residential streets all day long. I doubt they see 40mph very often
Hello Lee,where did you source the flue kits and the van roof vent?,my van is soaked with condensation at the moment,it runs forward,comes past the bulkhead and drips on my heed.
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this is what i use mounted on the roof with the flexible flue pipe pushed in the end.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mushroom-vent-chrome-plated-MUS002C-/180372736398?
pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_BoatEquipment_Accessories_SM&hash=item29ff0d898e
but mines not chrome, ita ally
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z295/dune19670/LGIM0033.jpg)
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Still no-one answers the insurance question :(
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ive been using lpg water heaters for over 4 yrs, ive never had a problem with them.
ive informed my van insurance company, with no increased premium, & they said it was ok as long as it was being used for work purposes. ??
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going to do a detailed video of this and our leaflet campaign results for the year in the next week or so
look forward to seeing that doing leaflets myself at the min :)
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this is the flue kit i bought
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Kintech-Limited?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
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dont know about insurance yet. Im with alexander swan. If they have a problem they will simply loose my business.
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dont know about insurance yet. Im with alexander swan. If they have a problem they will simply loose my business.
Good luck is all I will say.
I guess most people take the chance and don't actually get the LPG cylinder declared on their policy, and that's their choice.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1354723707_resized vent.jpg)
My flue
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1354723883_resized heater.jpg)
Up through the roof
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Have to mention I saw something really shocking today. It was an lpg gas heater in a suppliers heating the room. Do you know how dangerous that is? I ran out screaming - I mean that cylinder was only about two inches away from the flame - we could have died! Lots of old people might explode in their homes.
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Have to mention I saw something really shocking today. It was an lpg gas heater in a suppliers heating the room. Do you know how dangerous that is? I ran out screaming - I mean that cylinder was only about two inches away from the flame - we could have died! Lots of old people might explode in their homes.
Some things H+S wise are ridiculous, however, some H+S measures are not.
Your choice to the risks you want to take, insured or uninsured.
We have an LPG system fitted in one of our vans, but it's not in use, as nobody would insure it.
Not worth the risk, in my opinion, as all it takes is a claim for an accident or whatever, and the assesor can cancel your policy there and then, and you've lost everything.
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I had a crash and a claim this year and nothing was mentioned. (and I didn't explode).
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So are you insured for transporting the LPG canister?
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As I said before I phoned the insurance company and they weren't bothered. Do you think any tradesperson that carries a cylinder will be uninsured? How do motorhomes get insured? Is your car insured when you pick up a refill for the barby?
What if you drive abroad camping and take a stove with you?
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Motorhomes have purpose built cabinets which can be accessed separately to the load areas of the vehicle.
They also are required to carry hazard stickers.
They are also required to close the canister when its not being used, which I can assume all L5/hotwash etc users do between jobs.
Any of the firemen on here that can tell us if there was an RTA involving a vehicle that clearly displayed that it was carrying compressed gas, if it would be approached differently to a regular vehicle which doesn't display any signs that it is carrying explosive gases on board?
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I have an lpg sticker on the van, turn the gas off whilst driving. Motorhomes might have the gas in a cabinet because people are sleeping on board maybe?
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Could be that, but snack wagons also require them in a separate unit.
When we had ours fitted I looked into it all, can't remember all the details.
I just find it all a bit scary that people are running the gauntlet with this kind of thing, but thats just me.
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Don't suppose you carry ten gallons of petrol slung underneath your car?
I was wary, but I haven't found anything online that tells me I can't carry a bottle. If you find something then post it here and we can decide what to do.
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Don't suppose you carry ten gallons of petrol slung underneath your car?
I was wary, but I haven't found anything online that tells me I can't carry a bottle. If you find something then post it here and we can decide what to do.
I'm guessing, if involved in an accident where a petrol tank is punctured (plastic), there is less chance of a spark, where as a metal canister with compressed LPG, its a different kettle of fish altogether.
Some things you have to can make a calculated risk on, this just wasn't for me, especially where staff are concerned, it simply wasn't worth it.
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To be honest if the accident was bad enough to puncture a gas cylinder then I reckon the driver would be jam anyway.
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Lee Pryor, ''going to do a detailed video of this and our leaflet campaign results for the year in the next week or so''
Been interested since you first started the campaign earlier in the year, thanks.
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dont know about insurance yet. Im with alexander swan. If they have a problem they will simply loose my business.
They didn't have a problem when I called about my heater
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Don't suppose you carry ten gallons of petrol slung underneath your car?
I was wary, but I haven't found anything online that tells me I can't carry a bottle. If you find something then post it here and we can decide what to do.
I'm guessing, if involved in an accident where a petrol tank is punctured (plastic), there is less chance of a spark, where as a metal canister with compressed LPG, its a different kettle of fish altogether.
Some things you have to can make a calculated risk on, this just wasn't for me, especially where staff are concerned, it simply wasn't worth it.
So how do cars converted to LPG that have a tank in the boot, not in a cage/cabinet, get insured? It's not that big a deal.
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Lee!
OK. 3-4 weeks, I think will be a bit optimistic for 19kg. You can do it however depends how hot you want the water. Luke warm 30deg at brush will prob last 3-4 weeks. However 50deg @ brush in winter will use alot of gas.
One thing I have found with the heaters is they can be a bit temperamental. Depending on if you plan on using one heater per pump or one heater for two pumps it will take alot of fiddling to get the setup just right.
I use quite a high flow rate but I still found myself needing a new low detetor that turns on the spark every time. However you may find you don’t need this at all.
The fittings you use will make or break you. Stay away from PVC hose from boiler to hose reel. It will swell up, and you will use more water and the pressure will burst the hose. If you can, use pluming fittings. I rigged mine up with John Guest fittings, copper pipe straight from the boiler, and then flex push fit connectors into the reel. You really need to invest in the equipment that can take the pressure and wont leak.
Also tell you guys to be prepared to tighten things up. O rings and jubilee clips that were adequate before will not be adequate when using hot.
Gardiners orange hose is an absolute must. It’s the best hose I have ever used, and I'm a serious user. My gear has to last and work properly. I only work 2-3 days a week so when I’m at work everything needs to go smoothly, so listen to my advice improve where you need to, but I cannot stress enough test test test. Make sure everything is secure.
Any questions just ask.
Kind Regards
Alex
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Any of the firemen on here that can tell us if there was an RTA involving a vehicle that clearly displayed that it was carrying compressed gas, if it would be approached differently to a regular vehicle which doesn't display any signs that it is carrying explosive gases on board?
Depends if they were people trapped, but at the end of the day the fire will need to be put out, example caravan , I've had plenty of them that didn't display warning stickers only to find a cylinder
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Yes I'd agree on tighten everything, it is funny the first time it blows a fitting and you run back to the van as steam is pouring out due to the hot water
I love mine though. I did have one thermobore reel that was faulty bit Alex replaced it foc. Aviva ain't got an issue with me carrying gas and never even asked any questions as to what it's for or how it's secured, I lie mine down and it rolls slowly side to side ;)
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I lie mine down and it rolls slowly side to side
Err I would advise you to stand it up and secure it with a ratchet strap
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I lie mine down and it rolls slowly side to side
Err I would advise you to stand it up and secure it with a ratchet strap
"Err" he was joking.
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Ye Lee , I've just re read it
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Alex's post is spot on. You need to adapt for hot water. I use car radiator hose from pump to reel, steel braided pipe from heater to pump and washing machine hose for the cold water supply. I also 'pull' my hot water so that the heater isn't under any pressure. Be ready to back down your controller shut off pressure too.
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Alex's post is spot on. You need to adapt for hot water. I use car radiator hose from pump to reel, steel braided pipe from heater to pump and washing machine hose for the cold water supply. I also 'pull' my hot water so that the heater isn't under any pressure. Be ready to back down your controller shut off pressure too.
You want the pump before the heater. Running hot water through your pump will shorten its life.
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Alex's post is spot on. You need to adapt for hot water. I use car radiator hose from pump to reel, steel braided pipe from heater to pump and washing machine hose for the cold water supply. I also 'pull' my hot water so that the heater isn't under any pressure. Be ready to back down your controller shut off pressure too.
When we had LPG one, it was a nightmare! blowing hoses, popping connections, just a pain in the rear!
With the amount of £ I will be spending with PF, it has to be right from day 1, from thermobore hose, down to interlinking hoses, I expect NO issues whatsoever with leaks, burst hose etc.
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Alex's post is spot on. You need to adapt for hot water. I use car radiator hose from pump to reel, steel braided pipe from heater to pump and washing machine hose for the cold water supply. I also 'pull' my hot water so that the heater isn't under any pressure. Be ready to back down your controller shut off pressure too.
When we had LPG one, it was a nightmare! blowing hoses, popping connections, just a pain in the rear!
With the amount of £ I will be spending with PF, it has to be right from day 1, from thermobore hose, down to interlinking hoses, I expect NO issues whatsoever with leaks, burst hose etc.
As long as it is the Isothermal 2 you should be OK as IMO the Isothermal 1 is a waste of money.
Make sure that they fit 2 110 amp batteries solely to power the unit though. Personally I feel they ripped me off because my heater is all but useless.
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Alex's post is spot on. You need to adapt for hot water. I use car radiator hose from pump to reel, steel braided pipe from heater to pump and washing machine hose for the cold water supply. I also 'pull' my hot water so that the heater isn't under any pressure. Be ready to back down your controller shut off pressure too.
You want the pump before the heater. Running hot water through your pump will shorten its life.
Possibly, but it stopped the heater blowing it's pressure valve.
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Alex's post is spot on. You need to adapt for hot water. I use car radiator hose from pump to reel, steel braided pipe from heater to pump and washing machine hose for the cold water supply. I also 'pull' my hot water so that the heater isn't under any pressure. Be ready to back down your controller shut off pressure too.
You want the pump before the heater. Running hot water through your pump will shorten its life.
Possibly, but it stopped the heater blowing it's pressure valve.
what heater is this ?
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Fogwash. Ian, why do you have a gay avatar?
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Fogwash. Ian, why do you have a gay avatar?
;D ;D
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Fogwash. Ian, why do you have a gay avatar?
cheers , I wanted a change