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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Crystal-clear on November 22, 2012, 06:39:10 pm

Title: apprenticeships
Post by: Crystal-clear on November 22, 2012, 06:39:10 pm
£2.65 per hour  :o  ive read that there is no age limit altho moslty young people will apply due to the low amount paid has anyone tryed employing this route?

Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 06:49:21 pm
i have 1 cheap labour lol
had him for 4 months
took a while to get use to the pace and  learning the tools
now he is ok
the college is a bit of a pain wanting regular meeting with
basicly he is doing the impact43 course over 18mths
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: Washing Windows on November 22, 2012, 06:52:17 pm
I was only looking in to this the other day and arrived at the point I needed to ring the apprenticeship people. What do we have to have in place as an employer?

Duncan
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: colin purewater on November 22, 2012, 06:55:18 pm
I got told  by a top dog at iss that you can
Get a 16-24 yr old for 16 hrs per week and
After 6 month you basically are given your
Money back you've paid them in wages.
 They just keep em for 6 months even if there
crap as there free then keep the good ones
And get some more and so on..

Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 06:58:21 pm
I got told  by a top dog at iss that you can
Get a 16-24 yr old for 16 hrs per week and
After 6 month you basically are given your
Money back you've paid them in wages.
 They just keep em for 6 months even if there
crap as there free then keep the good ones
And get some more and so on..



 apprenticeships are fulltime job with learning and homework  aswell
he is employed by me so you cannot just give him back
everyone would be using them if you could give them back lol
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: colin purewater on November 22, 2012, 07:06:53 pm
Just relaying the info I was told John
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 07:09:23 pm
Just relaying the info I was told John

maybe something else that what the college told me  ;) :)
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: Banbury Window Cleaning on November 22, 2012, 08:12:17 pm
now this sounds like a plan!! we need a newbie after loosing a decent windie
is there a website or does any1 have a link for me to have a read at some more info pls?
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: johnny bravo on November 22, 2012, 08:20:05 pm
if i had an aprentice and paid him £2+    id give him some more money as a bonus cash in hand  at the end of the week.    not worth taking the p..s   out of them, especially if they do good.     also learn them to drive.  thed be more loyal and do a better job 4 u. ;)
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: Crystal-clear on November 22, 2012, 08:24:21 pm
its cazy this apprenticeship stuff, if we did do it we would have make sure the lad was learning something and if he proved himself over however long is recomended i guess he would become employable anywhere so the logic would be to offer him a decent wage works wel for both
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: trevor perry on November 22, 2012, 08:35:00 pm
personally i think apprentices are entitled to a living wage like everybody else, large companies will employ more and more of these to reduce costs and help them undercut other firms who are paying a fair wage
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 08:38:16 pm
now this sounds like a plan!! we need a newbie after loosing a decent windie
is there a website or does any1 have a link for me to have a read at some more info pls?

just contact your local college
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 08:40:03 pm
if i had an aprentice and paid him £2+    id give him some more money as a bonus cash in hand  at the end of the week.    not worth taking the p..s   out of them, especially if they do good.     also learn them to drive.  thed be more loyal and do a better job 4 u. ;)

i employ mine fulltime but help only works 4 days but get paids for 5 days
i pay overtime rate aswell
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 08:42:12 pm
now this sounds like a plan!! we need a newbie after loosing a decent windie
is there a website or does any1 have a link for me to have a read at some more info pls?

just contact your local college

http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: robertphil on November 22, 2012, 08:43:24 pm
at those low pay rates you are sure to churn thru the workers , not many will be eager to hop out of a warm bed for that sort of money.
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 08:45:43 pm
at those low pay rates you are sure to churn thru the workers , not many will be eager to hop out of a warm bed for that sort of money.

i went through my local college
we had 15 apply

they are crying out for employers
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: Washing Windows on November 22, 2012, 09:33:50 pm
I've actually given real thought to offering an apprenticeship... and no, not for cheap labour!

My son and I started our window cleaning business from scratch, with 300 quid behind us, 2½ years ago. We've now got a strong customer base that pays the bills. I'm very proud of what we have achieved and I'm confident there is scope to grow the business.

My son is 22 now and, after the 2½ years, I know he works to a very high standard. He has been party to all the steps we have put in place in our business to ensure quality of service.

I've been playing the role of window cleaner, team leader, accountant, supplies officer, blah blah blah... but my background and my past experience is in sales and marketing.

Together we are trying to grow a professional business. We've done the Impact43 course and got our City & Guilds qualification. We've joined FWC and talked about CRB checks. We have a lot to offer a young person, we couldn't otherwise afford, in the way of a real career. Window cleaning is a fabulous occupation if you've got the right tools, PPE and working conditions.

Besides... I'm thinking franchise and I get to train up a potential customer! :D
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: robertphil on November 22, 2012, 10:00:08 pm
at those low pay rates you are sure to churn thru the workers , not many will be eager to hop out of a warm bed for that sort of money.

i went through my local college
we had 15 apply

they are crying out for employers
what i was meaning is that once the going gets tough,cold weather, wheres the motivation ? i do believe in trainees, iv 3 youngsters work for me ,all 18 yrs or under . the workloadings high and the grounds quite sh/tty as you well know ,i pay 7 per hour from day 1 and i know if i was paying 5 id be ok in the summer but not in the winter when theyre under pressure to complete the list 
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: DG Cleaning on November 22, 2012, 10:27:21 pm
I'm I not getting this?
I've been an apprentice and it involved structured learning over a number of years.
The first year spent full time at college and day release thereafter.
The practical side was monitored and skills assessed periodically to a set standard recognised nationally by the industry body.
Have any of you got this type of thing in place?
Also how long does it take to complete an apprenticeship in window cleaning?
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 10:31:31 pm
at those low pay rates you are sure to churn thru the workers , not many will be eager to hop out of a warm bed for that sort of money.

i went through my local college
we had 15 apply

they are crying out for employers
what i was meaning is that once the going gets tough,cold weather, wheres the motivation ? i do believe in trainees, iv 3 youngsters work for me ,all 18 yrs or under . the workloadings high and the grounds quite sh/tty as you well know ,i pay 7 per hour from day 1 and i know if i was paying 5 id be ok in the summer but not in the winter when theyre under pressure to complete the list 
i personlly would only pay them rates if they are experinced as they are learning i keep increasing the money to encourge him  to get better yes agree they might not work as hard as my other lads but with colder darker days it will be a leanring curve for them
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: glen parva on November 22, 2012, 10:35:17 pm
I'm I not getting this?
I've been an apprentice and it involved structured learning over a number of years.
The first year spent full time at college and day release thereafter.
The practical side was monitored and skills assessed periodically to a set standard recognised nationally by the industry body.
Have any of you got this type of thing in place?
Also how long does it take to complete an apprenticeship in window cleaning?

basicly this is yts youth training scheme but for 21st century they work for me and the college comes out and checks on his progress and it can take as long as the learner
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: DG Cleaning on November 22, 2012, 10:51:06 pm
So how long would you expect then Glen?
I suppose my point is can there even be an apprenticeship in cleaning windows?
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: Window Washers on November 23, 2012, 12:02:51 am
So how long would you expect then Glen?
I suppose my point is can there even be an apprenticeship in cleaning windows?

how long has it taken you to learn everything you need to learn ?
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: DG Cleaning on November 23, 2012, 07:36:19 am
To be honest not long,I learnt trad in a couple of hours from another windy. Wfp looked around a bit on here, watched a couple of vids on YouTube or just picked it up.
Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: Ian101 on November 23, 2012, 08:30:30 am
I got told  by a top dog at iss that you can
Get a 16-24 yr old for 16 hrs per week and
After 6 month you basically are given your
Money back you've paid them in wages.
 They just keep em for 6 months even if there
crap as there free then keep the good ones
And get some more and so on..



A college close to me ran a scheme exactly the same as this ... a friend of mine had 2 or 3 lads at a time from them ... some he kept on and some who didnt wantto work were let go and sent back for a replacement.

Title: Re: apprenticeships
Post by: suds window service on November 23, 2012, 09:44:33 pm
We have a apprentice, started with us in august. Has regular collage to continue his core skills. After he,s done with it all I hope we,ll have a lad capable of becoming a team leader in our business.