Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Tom White on November 20, 2012, 03:06:20 pm
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A while back I suggested to admin that we revise and update the site rules for CIU and they thought it was a good idea:
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And as you can see, promptly sloped shoulders back in my direction! >:(
So sloping them towards my fellow members, have you any suggestions what our site rules should be? Funny ones would be appreciated too.
EXAMPLES:
1. This is an open and unbiased forum, unless of course you slag off our sponsors, then you will be banned without warning.
2. What goes on in the off topic area, stays in the off topic area. Unless of course it's really funny and moronic and then it goes in my signature.
3. There are no rules or regulations with regards site moderation. Enjoy your ban.
4. Barnes is only allowed to post in the 'boring and inane thread'; it was especially created as a 'bin' just for his use.
But please, sensible ones too!
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Okay, here's some sensible ones to kick off with:
1. Members should respect alternative views to their own and not threaten each other with violence, either on the forum or by e-mail. Instances of this happening may result in the interweb police being contacted and an immediate life-time ban implemented.
2. Posting while drunk is never a good idea. (This will bar Barnes from posting altogether; sorry Barnes).
3. Poetry is never appropriate.
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Members should not be aloud to post before 09.00 and after 22.00 in order to promote a social life.......joking :p
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Members should not be aloud to post before 09.00 and after 22.00 in order to promote a social life.......joking :p
You socialise before 9.00 am? My dog is lucky if I grunt at him before midday. ???
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Members should not be aloud to post before 09.00 and after 22.00 in order to promote a social life.......joking :p
Only 20 posts (in this current incarnation I see); I've thought of another:
You are not your post count: all are equal, unless you have very few, in which case your opinion has no value.
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Members should not be aloud to post before 09.00 and after 22.00 in order to promote a social life.......joking :p
Only 20 posts (in this current incarnation I see); I've thought of another:
You are not your post count: all are equal, unless you have very few, in which case your opinion has no value.
And if you have 14000+ you are infallible............?
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No more 'Bhuddist-type' posts from anyone - this will see your current posts of 14 million be curtailed somewhat.
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Members should not be aloud to post before 09.00 and after 22.00 in order to promote a social life.......joking :p
Only 20 posts (in this current incarnation I see); I've thought of another:
You are not your post count: all are equal, unless you have very few, in which case your opinion has no value.
And if you have 14000+ you are infallible............?
Good one, good one. I'll also forward your name to admin as potential moderator material.
Well done that man.
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No more 'Bhuddist-type' posts from anyone - this will see your current posts of 14 million be curtailed somewhat.
Get back to the 'boring and inane thread' you creature you! >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I do think something needs to be implemented regarding offline contact between members if one half finds it unacceptable. Having been on the receiving end of this on two occasions, once where the police became involved due to me asking them to; and once where the person (you are also aware of this instance Tosh so I believe) made very ugly comments about the death of my mother which I responded to who then contacted me via telephone in a threatening manner (hus manner was comical in fact, i felt more sorry for him than snything else, but that's not the point). He wanted to intimidate.
I have no idea how to implement this but do think its worth either forum members or 'the team' giving it some thought.
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To be honest i quite like the forum, and few guys on here have helped me out in tight situations
My suggestion would be: remember, window cleaning is like religion.....there are lots of different opinions and answers, just be respectful of other peoples as they should of yours :)
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I'll also forward your name to admin as potential moderator material.
Great.
Do you get paid per post or is it on a reward basis?
How much per locked sponsor bashing post?
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I wasn't aware, Matt, but I am sure we will have something in the site rules reminding people that they're expected to act like normal human beings.
And I do know from another instance that the police do take interweb based anti social behaviour properly; there's even an electronic communications act which covers this nicely; I'll dig out.
Thanks.
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I'll also forward your name to admin as potential moderator material.
Great.
Do you get paid per post or is it on a reward basis?
How much per locked sponsor bashing post?
It's an annual salary of £30K per year, plus free health care, pension and company car, plus an invite to an all expenses paid dinner by Mike every Christmas.
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No more 'Bhuddist-type' posts from anyone - this will see your current posts of 14 million be curtailed somewhat.
Get back to the 'boring and inane thread' you creature you! >:( >:( >:( >:(
You get back on the insanity thread.
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only adults should be allowed....that should get rid of 90% of posters
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I'll also forward your name to admin as potential moderator material.
Great.
Do you get paid per post or is it on a reward basis?
How much per locked sponsor bashing post?
It's an annual salary of £30K per year, plus free health care, pension and company car, plus an invite to an all expenses paid dinner by Mike every Christmas.
With a salary that small , you should of stuck to cleaning windows
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Tosh should stop being a mod, he's too sensible
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Remove post count from posters details. (It just reminds me what a saddo I am) ;D
No poetry?
I think it is a bad idea
to remove po-etry from here
If this avenue was cut off from me
then what a saddo I would be
From this forum I would have to be let go
By the evil one who lurks in Chep-stow
Actually what an incentive ...
Tosh; that's quite inventive
Perhaps I might ask to moderate
If such request is not too late
And Mikey does not change the rule
that mentally you must have left school
Poetry is honey from the gods
to be wasted on you bods!
P. Stringfellow-Bacon
Baird to the gentry
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How about freedom of speech without fear of banning and or deleted?
Why should someones post be removed just because a company have a banner on the site and dont like being whats said ?
They might pay for advertising, but without the members reading and using the forum there wouldnt be any point would there.
All started when that rug muncher jason (little hit-ler) came into power .... even though hes gone - his legacy has lived on hasnt it.
Wouldnt even suprise me if this post gets deleted to be honest - Id put this forum on par with China but getting closer to North Korea as its being run now days.
Shame we cant reset it back 3+ years when it was a great place to be
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I think nothing changes really. It's OK for what it's here for. Some guys give and seek advice. After you've been on here for a while, you get a bit bored with the same old questions and rants, so you end up in Tosh's club in the chat section. There you can watch other members like ARCHER come in now and again and get a keyboard kicking. Then there was the famous "Fit burd" thread from 2009. It's fun sometimes in the loony bin chat section. ;D
The forum should stand or fall on it's own merit really. If enough people keep posting, then it's ggood enough to run. the Mods have calmed down a lot in the last 12 months. I think it's pretty quiet compared to how it can get.
I think any Mods who are cross dressing sexual deviants should be kept on a short leash tough 8)
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How about "Any post counts above 14,125 will be carried forward to your next incarnation"
What would 144,000 posts get you Paul? ;D
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ban all post of religion, ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Good God whatever next ???
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ban all post of religion, ;D ;D ;D ;D
That will come later :P
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Ban any poster who uses the word 'guys' or 'fella'. ;D
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Sorry I havnt read all the reply So not sure if
You are all taking the pee!
But my views are
Any racist comments and they should be banned
For life with no warnings or telling off
Every member should be accountable / traceable
Especially in the for sale and round section
As in :
Company name and business address to be register
Maybe hmrc or vat number all so ( I don't no how this would be policed)
Email addresses and other details can not be hidden
My thoughts are if people have got to hide there details
They shouldn't be aloud on Ciu especially to sell stuff
Just my thoughts tosh I think it would make Ciu a better place
Many thanks
Colin
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Every member should be accountable / traceable
Especially in the for sale and round section
As in :
Company name and business address to be register
Maybe hmrc or vat number all so ( I don't no how this would be policed)
Email addresses and other details can not be hidden
I kinda disagree with this. Give me an e-mail address and I can do some stuff with it that you may not like, without you knowing, and which may annoy you.
As for buying and selling, there's a phrase - Caveat emptor - which means buyer beware. We're all grown ups, we know there's dodgy people about, so before parting with any cash it's up to the buyer to check everything out. Just like when you buy a used car or even a house.
The buyer is responsible (in my view), but I realise in this day-and-age people don't like taking responsibility.
Agree with the rest though; I'll include racism in there too, but it'll have to be along the lines of 'in the moderator's view', 'cos some stuff is subjective. There was one idiot on recently arguing that if calling someone ginger is okay, then the abbreviated form of Pakistani should be okay. It's tough trying to explain to dullards who have been drinking how 'ginger' doesn't carry the same cultural baggage as some racist words.
So yeh, maybe you're right, no warnings and a direct ban for racist comments. Any more views on this?
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I propose a Readers' Wives section.
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So yeh, maybe you're right, no warnings and a direct ban for racist comments. Any more views on this?
disagree I uphold my right to be racist towards the english, and you would be stuffed with no way of slagging wales, the paddies and jocks ;D
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I propose a Readers' Wives section.
Top post lol
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So yeh, maybe you're right, no warnings and a direct ban for racist comments. Any more views on this?
I agree a ban for repeated and deliberate racist comments. Having said that, it's better to try and educate first before banning.
Also, sometimes, someone can post something that they intended to mean and be read differently to how the words read to another person.
That's happened a few times on the off topic section.
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I propose a Readers' Wives section.
Seconded :)
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I'll draft a set of revised forum rules out by the weekend; if anyone can add anything else; funny or sensible; that'd be appreciated.
So far the topics are:
1. Racist remarks.
2. Threatening/anti social behaviour.
3. Swearing (don't know if it's been mentioned, but we get complaints about this).
4. To be respectful of other people's views.
Anything else?
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Shame we cant reset it back 3+ years when it was a great place to be
This forum must be nearing it's 10th birthday and since about 9 years ago, every so often, someone says "This forum isn't what it used to be!" 3+ years ago people were probably saying "This forum isn't what it used to be". And in three years time people will be saying, (yep you guessed it) "This forum isn't what it used to be".
I can explain why this is; you see, this forum doesn't inherently exist on it's own side, it takes a conceptual mind to create it. So depending on your own unique conceptual mind, you will view this forum in any number of different ways. Some members will think it's a 'great forum', others will think it's a 'okay forum', and others will think 'This forum aint what it used to be'. That kind of proves that the forum doesn't inherently exist, because if it did, we'd all see the same forum; but as I've shown, our minds create what it is.
Subtle eh?
(Sorry ;D)
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I've just dug out the Malicious communications act and sticking it here, so I don't have to research it again when drafting forum rules.
Malicious communications
Section 1(1) of the Malicious Communications Act 1988 provides that an offence is committed by any person who sends to another person, with the intention of causing distress or anxiety:
an electronic communication which conveys a message which is indecent or grossly offensive, a threat, or information which is false and known or believed to be false by the sender; or
any electronic communication which is, in whole or part, of an indecent or grossly offensive nature.
Electronic communication is specified to include any communication sent by an electronic communications network, and any communication (however sent) that is in electronic form, and should therefore cover forum and message board posts.
Section 127 of the Communications Act 2003 provides for two further offences, very similar to that under the 1988 Act.
First, a person is guilty of an offence if he sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character, or causes any such message or matter to be so sent.
Second, a person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he: (a) sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false, (b) causes such a message to be sent; or (c) persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.
Punishment under the 1988 Act or the 2003 Act may, again, be by way of a fine and/or imprisonment.
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Remove post count from posters details. (It just reminds me what a saddo I am) ;D
Yes that would be a good one. Each post can stand or not on its own quality then.
I'm in two minds about more rules.
I don't like reading any personal type post as it does as tosh has said, devalue the argument. But the forum has always had the abilty to ban people else they disappeared and came back with a different log in and attitude without the ban.
It's always been a dynamic forum and this i believe is the anticipation of not knowing what madness is going to be posted.
Not that i, or many others would want it, but it could be better policed with 3 or 4 new moderators of a similar calibre to the ones we have.
Just to pull up the personal posts before they take over a thread.
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Three or four moderators like Ian Giles?
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Three or four moderators like Ian Giles?
i don't go on the other sections but yes like ian giles, tosh n dave.
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Remove post count from posters details. (It just reminds me what a saddo I am) ;D
Yes that would be a good one. Each post can stand or not on its own quality then.
I'm in two minds about more rules.
I don't like reading any personal type post as it does as tosh has said, devalue the argument. But the forum has always had the abilty to ban people else they disappeared and came back with a different log in and attitude without the ban.
It's always been a dynamic forum and this i believe is the anticipation of not knowing what madness is going to be posted.
Not that i, or many others would want it, but it could be better policed with 3 or 4 new moderators of a similar calibre to the ones we have.
Just to pull up the personal posts before they take over a thread.
Gentlemen, we need rules, without rules, we will have chaos.
But I think you've made some very good points.
I can ask forum about the post count thing, but I reckon it'll stay. I think some guys like getting their post count up so it encourages more postings and keeps things busy; that is until you get to the realms of 'saddo' status like my own.
You're right about the 'dynamic part', but I think the no racism, swearing, respectful towards other views, and threatening behaviour part is all good common sense stuff which ought to be written down.
And can I recommend that you be a Mod?
I think the only problems I have is the threatening behaviour and stupid racist remarks. In the past few months I've banned two members for threatening another; that's not on; one sent an e-mail saying he knew where he lived and was going to cut his wife and rape her wound. Not nice. The idiot didn't realise that it was easy to find out who he was via his I.P. address and he was lucky that the member didn't press charges.
But overall, I think that your point about there being 'less rules' rather than more is excellent.
Thanks.
P.S. Pulling out the 'personal slights' before they take over a post won't be easy; mods aren't all seeing and knowing. And it's also subjective; you don't have to be too clever to infer stuff about another member without making it too obvious. I'm guilty of that one. We'll just have to muddle along with that one.
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I think maybe if more of us used the 'report to mod' button the slagging off and insults might decrease. I've read threads, as we all have, where the insults start to take it over. That has sometimes ruined very interesting threads.
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Three or four moderators like Ian Giles?
i don't go on the other sections but yes like ian giles, tosh n dave.
Ian Giles is never on here, though.
To be fair, that is Tosh's fault, though. Ian spends most of his spare time looking for a triple ladder that Tosh has relieved him of.
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Three or four moderators like Ian Giles?
i don't go on the other sections but yes like ian giles, tosh n dave.
Ian Giles is never on here, though.
To be fair, that is Tosh's fault, though. Ian spends most of his spare time looking for a triple ladder that Tosh has relieved him of.
Borrowed! ;D
Ian knows where they are. They're too big 'n' hefty to drop off by my poor little self. Besides he doesn't want 'em.
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tosh you make a big thing of the racist comments thing, but apart from bad jokes I haven't really seen any to be honest, and I am being serious this time, there is a few but a warning would suffice surely, lots of people do it without knowing it
by the way your legal document doesn't apply to scotland we have our own laws and I suspect NI will be the same, ours are a bit stricter on sectarians although it is clear that jokes are allowed on that by law
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tosh you make a big thing of the racist comments thing, but apart from bad jokes I haven't really seen any to be honest, and I am being serious this time, there is a few but a warning would suffice surely, lots of people do it without knowing it
by the way your legal document doesn't apply to scotland we have our own laws and I suspect NI will be the same, ours are a bit stricter on sectarians although it is clear that jokes are allowed on that by law
There's been a few racist comments in the past five months or so; the last was in a post about 'bad customers'.
But if it's no big deal, it won't really matter if it's codified in the forum rules. As for sectarian stuff like Jocks, Geordies, Scousers, the Welsh and the Chip Pan Lickers, well that doesn't carry the same cultural baggage as skin colour type racism; in my opinion only. As I said in an earlier post much of this is subjective and the final say will have to be the moderator dealing with it.
As for the legal bit, I would just like something to show that we are accountable - by law - for typing stuff designed to intimidate or harm another member here. I guess to do that, I don't have to go into great detail.
I will keep any final draft of the rules - which I'll post for feedback first - simple.
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Race is a very sensitive area. People have been massacred because of it and it's easy to be flippant about it because it doesn't really affect many on the forum.
Saying that, much of it is down to ignorance and not hatred, but it's still no excuse.
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tosh you make a big thing of the racist comments thing, but apart from bad jokes I haven't really seen any to be honest, and I am being serious this time, there is a few but a warning would suffice surely, lots of people do it without knowing it
by the way your legal document doesn't apply to scotland we have our own laws and I suspect NI will be the same, ours are a bit stricter on sectarians although it is clear that jokes are allowed on that by law
There's been a few racist comments in the past five months or so; the last was in a post about 'bad customers'.
But if it's no big deal, it won't really matter if it's codified in the forum rules. As for sectarian stuff like Jocks, Geordies, Scousers, the Welsh and the Chip Pan Lickers, well that doesn't carry the same cultural baggage as skin colour type racism; in my opinion only. As I said in an earlier post much of this is subjective and the final say will have to be the moderator dealing with it.
As for the legal bit, I would just like something to show that we are accountable - by law - for typing stuff designed to intimidate or harm another member here. I guess to do that, I don't have to go into great detail.
I will keep any final draft of the rules - which I'll post for feedback first - simple.
I think the point I am making it should be down to moderators to weigh up the intent, if some one mistakenly say's I went to the c****y's for my lunch, there is no intent, if however he say's all paki's are bad payers and rotten that would be wrong, I asked in the shop I use and they are very open on what is racist and what is not, and they said it is down to context, If I say I am off to the paki's for a loaf of bread, he has no problem with that, if I swear at him and call him a paki such and such it becomes a problem, I have heard banter in the shop between football fans and when the shopkeeper is asked what he thinks, his answer in a jock answer is usually dinny ask me I um a paki ;D
right the point I am making is some people might be offended and some not but common sense should be used on this issue and if someone is offended hit the button and moderators react, with a warning or a ban if it out and out racism, I have racially abused your japinese a few times and I don't think you took offence. if you did I am sorry, and you have ripped jocks many times
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Spot on; fully agree with what you've wrote, Stu.
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I think it's to do with preconceptions. You see a Pakistani shopkeeper, not just a shopkeeper.
Mostly, these preconceptions are harmless, though, and we don't act upon them or do any real harm, apart from putting our foot in it, maybe.
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Yes you could recommend tosh but it isn't something that i want to do. I do my bit by trying to give helpful info when i can. Occasionally i might stick up for the downtrodden, but generally i'll avoid posting and steer clear of the madness.
Ross' suggestion about the report button is something that i have never done. I know it's silly but it feels like telling the prefects.
It would solve 99% of the personal/racist/swearing posts if we all did it though.
It just doesn't feel right. :)
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I think it's to do with preconceptions. You see a Pakistani shopkeeper, not just a shopkeeper.
Mostly, these preconceptions are harmless, though, and we don't act upon them or do any real harm, apart from putting our foot in it, maybe.
Spic's do a mean pasta - much better than eskimos'.
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I think it's to do with preconceptions. You see a Pakistani shopkeeper, not just a shopkeeper.
Mostly, these preconceptions are harmless, though, and we don't act upon them or do any real harm, apart from putting our foot in it, maybe.
Spic's do a mean pasta - much better than eskimos'.
See, harmless.
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In addition, any thoughts on the following:
Rule:
61: Only forum account per CIU member.
62: Don't take yourself too seriously.
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I don't think we should take that post too seriously; so what would you do, retire Barnes and just be Tosh?
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Tosh is an anagram of host.
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Tosh is an anagram of host.
And shot.
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In addition, any thoughts on the following:
Rule:
61: Only forum account per CIU member.
Except for the Willis family who you caught out the other week using fake accounts
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In addition, any thoughts on the following:
Rule:
61: Only forum account per CIU member.
Except for the Willis family who you caught out the other week using fake accounts
I'm sharp, I'm ruddy sharp I is.
Did I say I was sharp? I is! ;D
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There's been a few racist comments in the past five months or so; the last was in a post about 'bad customers'.
What Happens if Griffin's cleaning takes out a banner, Nick will be able to post what he wants
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In addition, any thoughts on the following:
Rule:
61: Only forum account per CIU member.
Except for the Willis family who you caught out the other week using fake accounts
I'm sharp, I'm ruddy sharp I is.
Did I say I was sharp? I is! ;D
What happened with that Tosh ?
Did Admin say " oh its ok, they pay me money so can do as they want " ?
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How about the following for the forum rules? Thoughts?
REVISED RULES - CIU
All members are to show consideration towards other members views, and any posts which involve racism, swearing (including the use of asterixes and other methods of that ilk), pornography, malicious name calling or threatening behaviour will not be tolerated.
It is accepted that some of the above can be interpreted as subjective, therefore if you're in doubt, do not post.
Bans and temporary bans are at the discretion of the moderators and are the likely result of violating the rules, particularly if we don't like you.
Please remember to use the 'report to moderator' button if you see something offensive on the forum.
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There's been a few racist comments in the past five months or so; the last was in a post about 'bad customers'.
What Happens if Griffin's cleaning takes out a banner, Nick will be able to post what he wants
I'm seriously considering it. I won't let our wonky eyes posts, though.
Besides, he's only the sill wiper in the family business. I'm the weal bwains and I'm not racist apart from.........
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How about the following for the forum rules? Thoughts?
REVISED RULES - CIU
All members are to show consideration towards other members views and any posts which involve racism, swearing (including the use of asterixes and other methods of that ilk), pornography, malicious name calling or threatening behaviour will not be tolerated.
It is accepted that some of the above can be interpreted as subjective, therefore if you're in doubt, do not post.
how about just letting you and dave just use common sense as you do at the moment and stop forum admin interfering because they need to protect income ???
and they do, usually early morning, not that it works
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How about the following for the forum rules? Thoughts?
REVISED RULES - CIU
All members are to show consideration towards other members views and any posts which involve racism, swearing (including the use of asterixes and other methods of that ilk), pornography, malicious name calling or threatening behaviour will not be tolerated.
It is accepted that some of the above can be interpreted as subjective, therefore if you're in doubt, do not post.
how about just letting you and dave just use common sense as you do at the moment and stop forum admin interfering because they need to protect income ???
and they do, usually early morning, not that it works
If it annoys you, complain to forum admin! I've added a bit more to the rules too. But I would like a codified set of rules to make moderation easier and let us all know where we stand.
As I say, we need rules, gents, without rules we will have Glasgow.
And we can say, "Hoy, bonny lad, that's not allowed in accordance with forum rules!", which to be fair I am asking for feedback from and will have to get agreement from forum admin before I can sticky them.
So it's to make our lives easier, really, to try and keep the forum a friendly, safe place to visit.
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How about the following for the forum rules? Thoughts?
REVISED RULES - CIU
All members are to show consideration towards other members views and any posts which involve racism, swearing (including the use of asterixes and other methods of that ilk), pornography, malicious name calling or threatening behaviour will not be tolerated.
It is accepted that some of the above can be interpreted as subjective, therefore if you're in doubt, do not post.
how about just letting you and dave just use common sense as you do at the moment and stop forum admin interfering because they need to protect income ???
and they do, usually early morning, not that it works
If it annoys you, complain to forum admin! I've added a bit more to the rules too. But I would like a codified set of rules to make moderation easier and let us all know where we stand.
As I say, we need rules, gents, without rules we will have Glasgow.
And we can say, "Hoy, bonny lad, that's not allowed in accordance with forum rules!", which to be fair I am asking for feedback from and will have to get agreement from forum admin before I can sticky them.
So it's to make our lives easier, really, to try and keep the forum a friendly, safe place to visit.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I will try to be more constructive tomorrow, but for now ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D