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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: James Leet on November 19, 2012, 07:23:31 pm
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It seems Clean it up thinks otherwise, unless the debate is in favour of advertisers ?
from all the Andy Willis threads
Andy has yeat again renewed his advertising campaign with us which allows to put towards the costs of running, maintaining and keeping on top of this forum for you guys!
That's enough now - LOCKED.
Does this mean that advertisers have ' Carte blanche ' with topics they feel uncomfortable with ? or do mods / admin feel they need to protect a income stream and lock messages ?
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Interesting quote here from David@st-ives
Re: FAO, Andrew Willis. New HSE rules.
« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2012, 12:17:46 pm »
Mr Willis is no more protected than any other user - FACT
Does Dave still stand by this quote ?
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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why is it that a moderator or forum admin can decide when a topic has "run its course"? Unless there are personal abuse, bad language, personal insults going on, surly a topic has only run its course when the forum members decide they no longer want to post on it, and its not for a moderator of forum admin to lock it.
The Andrew willis topics were lock for no other reason then he is protected because he is a site sponsor, the topics had not run their course because there were still questions unanswered.
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I asked exactly the same question and ............. after a reply it got locked! :D
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why is it that a moderator or forum admin can decide when a topic has "run its course"? Unless there are personal abuse, bad language, personal insults going on, surly a topic has only run its course when the forum members decide they no longer want to post on it, and its not for a moderator of forum admin to lock it.
The Andrew willis topics were lock for no other reason then he is protected because he is a site sponsor, the topics had not run their course because there were still questions unanswered.
Well said. ;)
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This is getting comical. Seriously there really should be more fulfilling experiences in your lives than how a two-bit Internet forum is moderated. Come on girls, get with the programme, there's daily life going on out there once you stop picking the fluff out of your belly-buttons.
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I asked exactly the same question and ............. after a reply it got locked! :D
E.mail admin and ask how much a advertising campaign will cost, you can then see your post run course
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Hi Guys
I am not happy with the locked posts
After 3 days of reading every impact post, and trying to keep order and not letting things get too personal, I feel I have been undermined and the posts have been locked.
I didn't lock or delete any posts as did not want to be seen to protecting suppliers, which I never have done,
I like to think that if suppliers come to Cleanitup to advertise then, they know what they are walking into, so within reason they should be open to scrutiny by posters.
I do feel certain posters have forced admins hand, certain people are just hell bent on taunting Impact. even though I don't agree and I am not happy about it I can see why they might of took it onto themselves to lock them.
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Hi Guys
I am not happy with the locked posts
After 3 days of reading every impact post, and trying to keep order and not letting things get too personal, I feel I have been undermined and the posts have been locked.
I didn't lock or delete any posts as did not want to be seen to protecting suppliers, which I never have done,
I like to think that if suppliers come to Cleanitup to advertise then, they know what they are walking into, so within reason they should be open to scrutiny by posters.
I do feel certain posters have forced admins hand, certain people are just hell bent on taunting Impact. even though I don't agree and I am not happy about it I can see why they might of took it onto themselves to lock them.
Fair play to you Dave, i mean that
you made a post about suppliers not being protected and they put that to the sword and made it look silly
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Hi Guys
I am not happy with the locked posts
After 3 days of reading every impact post, and trying to keep order and not letting things get too personal, I feel I have been undermined and the posts have been locked.
I didn't lock or delete any posts as did not want to be seen to protecting suppliers, which I never have done,
I like to think that if suppliers come to Cleanitup to advertise then, they know what they are walking into, so within reason they should be open to scrutiny by posters.
I do feel certain posters have forced admins hand, certain people are just hell bent on taunting Impact. even though I don't agree and I am not happy about it I can see why they might of took it onto themselves to lock them.
one of impact43 is a admin though,isn't that true dave?
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I can see why they might of took it onto themselves to lock them.
So can we, Mr Willis had paid his money, they need to protect the income stream
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Hi Guys
I am not happy with the locked posts
After 3 days of reading every impact post, and trying to keep order and not letting things get too personal, I feel I have been undermined and the posts have been locked.
I didn't lock or delete any posts as did not want to be seen to protecting suppliers, which I never have done,
I like to think that if suppliers come to Cleanitup to advertise then, they know what they are walking into, so within reason they should be open to scrutiny by posters.
I do feel certain posters have forced admins hand, certain people are just hell bent on taunting Impact. even though I don't agree and I am not happy about it I can see why they might of took it onto themselves to lock them.
one of impact43 is a admin though,isn't that true dave?
Oooooh thats a can opened ;)
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okay thats enough now - too many opinions being aired
THREAD LOCKED
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okay thats enough now - too many opinions being aired
THREAD LOCKED
Have you taken out a 'advertising campaign' aswell then ?
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docwindows
That is news to me, who do you reckon it is ?
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Mr willis is protected by mods ; Fact
Mr willis brings income to CIU: Fact
Mr willis is untouchable ; Fact
I rest my case
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Tony Edwards is Annoying ; Fact
Tony Edwards hasn't got a clue ; Fact
I rest "MY" case
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Tony Edwards is Annoying ; Fact
Tony Edwards hasn't got a clue ; Fact
I rest "MY" case
Truth hurt David ?
Are you going to lock this one ?
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Tony
Read my earlier post or did you miss that one 9th post down from the top
No supplier has ever got protection from me.
If you want to carry on calling me liar, that's your perogative.
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Tony
Read my earlier post or did you miss that one 9th post down from the top
No supplier has ever got protection from me.
If you want to carry on calling me liar, that's your perogative.
David
Never called you a liar never said you protected him
The owners clearly do
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Can't we all get along and live in harmony ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Peace ;D
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Can't we all get along and live in harmony ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Peace ;D
Mike, how would you feel if facelift did not run a advertising campaign and another supplier did, now that other supplier has negative posts about his product deleted, they left the negative posts about you to run and run
We are talking censorship here and all to protect a income stream
Its ugly, we all know that, as does Dave
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James, he who pays the piper plays the tune. Sad fact perhaps. Been like that since the beginning of time. You ain't going to change that. You best get over it cos that's how it'll stay. End of.
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James, he who pays the piper plays the tune. Sad fact perhaps. Been like that since the beginning of time. You ain't going to change that. You best get over it cos that's how it'll stay. End of.
Good point.
I'd be interested in James's intentions if he realises this.
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why is it that a moderator or forum admin can decide when a topic has "run its course"?
'Cos we has the buttons! ;D
I don't give a figgy fig fig about courses, training, the Willis family, advertising; and sometimes, even ruddy window cleaning, so I'm pretty neutral here.
If I think a post is turning into a bitch fight, or getting into the realm of discussing personalities rather than the subject, I'll lock it. Sometimes, if I suspect it's beer o' clock, I'll just lock it for the evening and reopen it again in the morning. Quite often no-one responds after that.
None of the mods, as far as I am aware, take any instruction from the site owners; we're just here to keep the forum moderate; you know, not extreme in any way; we're not paid - we receive no direction - there is no CIU moderator conspiracy.
The most I ever got was a Christmas card off the site owner, some years ago, not even a free squeegy rubber. I was finished with him after that! >:( >:( >:(
HTH
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pe0rNieL-Q
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James, he who pays the piper plays the tune. Sad fact perhaps. Been like that since the beginning of time. You ain't going to change that. You best get over it cos that's how it'll stay. End of.
What is a worry in this whole situation for me is this.
Supplier X brings out a new pole, its rubbish and after a few weeks use starts to wear from the inside, this causes the pole to snap without warning
Now members post about this on here and supplier X does not like this, he still has 400 poles to shift, so he takes out a banner with the knowledge that he can ask Admin / Mods to delete any negative post about the poles
Admin will of course protect the income stream that Supplier X is paying and get the mods to delete posts
Personally if i was a mod i would question this and if still not happy i would think is this place worth the hassle and question my morals, we have seen that David@st-ives is not happy about this, I notice that Tosh has just made a few jokes about this, where do you draw the line, as the above could happen, morally it is wrong
integrity
1. adherence to moral principles; honesty
2. the quality of being unimpaired; soundness
3. unity; wholeness
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What's the difference between that happening on here with a banner compared to Lee's publication, or another supplier using google Adwords, or a different forum, or their own advertising literature?
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What's the difference between that happening on here with a banner compared to Lee's publication, or another supplier using google Adwords, or a different forum, or their own advertising literature?
The difference is US!
WE make this forum! Without US, this forum can not exsist!
So, for all US who, & for many, have done for a good number of years put much effort & knowledge into helping others- it's an insult! >:(
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No-one, apart from our members request mods to delete posts.
And I think I could drum up a whole range of future-based scenarios to annoy myself with, but I think it would be best if we just deal with each situation as it crops up.
However, I think you have made a good point, but if anyone has actual EXPERIENCE of a product/service and complains on the forum - and the supplier is also a sponsor - I think that'll carry a lot more weight than someone who is just guessing at possible scenarios.
So, why don't we wait out and see what happens?
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No-one, apart from our members request mods to delete posts.
And I think I could drum up a whole range of future-based scenarios to annoy myself with, but I think it would be best if we just deal with each situation as it crops up.
However, I think you have made a good point, but if anyone has actual EXPERIENCE of a product/service and complains on the forum - and the supplier is also a sponsor - I think that'll carry a lot more weight than someone who is just guessing at possible scenarios.
So, why don't we wait out and see what happens?
Tosh
It has happened, look at the recent Mr Willis posts, he posted about cordoning of the area you work in, people questioned this and he ignored the questions, it got uncomfortable for him and Washout , the rest is history the posts were locked
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No-one, apart from our members request mods to delete posts.
And I think I could drum up a whole range of future-based scenarios to annoy myself with, but I think it would be best if we just deal with each situation as it crops up.
However, I think you have made a good point, but if anyone has actual EXPERIENCE of a product/service and complains on the forum - and the supplier is also a sponsor - I think that'll carry a lot more weight than someone who is just guessing at possible scenarios.
So, why don't we wait out and see what happens?
Tosh
It has happened, look at the recent Mr Willis posts, he posted about cordoning of the area you work in, people questioned this and he ignored the questions, it got uncomfortable for him and Washout , the rest is history the posts were locked
The plot thickens.
Mr willis asked for the posts to be locked.hmmmmm
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You guys! ;D
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It seems Clean it up thinks otherwise, unless the debate is in favour of advertisers ?
from all the Andy Willis threads
Andy has yeat again renewed his advertising campaign with us which allows to put towards the costs of running, maintaining and keeping on top of this forum for you guys!
That's enough now - LOCKED.
Does this mean that advertisers have ' Carte blanche ' with topics they feel uncomfortable with ? or do mods / admin feel they need to protect a income stream and lock messages ?
This is terrible PR from forum admin.
No ones coming out of this looking good not least Andy Willis & Impact 43, if I was him I would be having serious words with forum admin
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It seems Clean it up thinks otherwise, unless the debate is in favour of advertisers ?
from all the Andy Willis threads
Andy has yeat again renewed his advertising campaign with us which allows to put towards the costs of running, maintaining and keeping on top of this forum for you guys!
That's enough now - LOCKED.
Does this mean that advertisers have ' Carte blanche ' with topics they feel uncomfortable with ? or do mods / admin feel they need to protect a income stream and lock messages ?
This is terrible PR from forum admin.
No ones coming out of this looking good not least Andy Willis & Impact 43, if I was him I would be having serious words with forum admin
I guess as Mr Willis had a number of days to answer the questions but always avoided them, He was happy enough to see the posts locked and fall down the page to be forgotten
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I guess as Mr Willis had a number of days to answer the questions but always avoided them, He was happy enough to see the posts locked and fall down the page to be forgotten
We don't if that is true. As Admin havn't posted anything we just don't know.
I personally think it very disrespectful for who ever locked the thread to not have the common decency to say why.
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I guess as Mr Willis had a number of days to answer the questions but always avoided them, He was happy enough to see the posts locked and fall down the page to be forgotten
We don't if that is true. As Admin havn't posted anything we just don't know.
I personally think it very disrespectful for who ever locked the thread to not have the common decency to say why.
Does the Silence from both parties not say it all ?
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Does the Silence from both parties not say it all ?
Unfortunately, the silence just breeds guesswork.
To my mind all it takes is for Admin to make a comment and as for why they won't, that is also guesswork. Maybe they're too busy or don't know or what ever but regardless, the silence doesn't come across well.
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They did answer pretty quickly to be honest (and locked it)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=161266.0
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I never locked them neither did Tosh
I have also publicly stated that I am not happy about them being locked.
It serves no purpose as we all know, its like pulling weeds, you lock a post and another 5 pop up on the same subject.
I wouldnt get to hung up on who and why, it was pointless anyway, as this post shows.
I agree it has caused bad feeling
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I'm not getting on it:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/AngryBus-1.jpg)
It goes to Outrage Central via Flipping Fuming; but it's running late I think?
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Impacts very own mod locked it ;D
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Same with the post by cleansafe about slating pure freedom off the otherday soon got locked too.
Remember it the one where mr willis has nothing to do with clean safe even though he was posting as clean safe. ;D
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Perhaps the threads were locked for H & S reasons. ;D
How annoying, I seemed to have missed the outrage bus. It left without me.
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Same with the post by cleansafe about slating pure freedom off the otherday soon got locked too.
Remember it the one where mr willis has nothing to do with clean safe even though he was posting as clean safe. ;D
Tosh exposed the ' pasting from fake accounts ' from the Willis's with them having the same IP's
It was then locked and swiftly ignored
Tosh, what was the outcome of that, people have been banned for less
I guess admin would not want to upset them about this either
It all Stinks
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Same with the post by cleansafe about slating pure freedom off the otherday soon got locked too.
Remember it the one where mr willis has nothing to do with clean safe even though he was posting as clean safe. ;D
Tosh exposed the ' pasting from fake accounts ' from the Willis's with them having the same IP's
It was then locked and swiftly ignored
Tosh, what was the outcome of that, people have been banned for less
I guess admin would not want to upset them about this either
It all Stinks
theres no pulling the wool over your eyes ;D
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Perhaps the threads were locked for H & S reasons. ;D
How annoying, I seemed to have missed the outrage bus. It left without me.
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Hi Barnes
I think the links you post an CIU are bad taste
Please refrain from posting them, they are not everyones cup of tea
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Tosh exposed the ' pasting from fake accounts ' from the Willis's with them having the same IP's
It was then locked and swiftly ignored
Tosh, what was the outcome of that, people have been banned for less
I guess admin would not want to upset them about this either
It all Stinks
lol. It's just an Internet forum. D'you think about this when you're out brushing the glass. Does it occupy your mind when you're not in front of your monitor?
It's a forum, nothing more. Some people obviously aren't as credible individuals as yourself, but that's life. It doesn't really have any significance in the grand scheme of things. You've heard what you think is dodgy advice. Don't concern yourself, you'll die prematurely if you do, you didn't pay for the advice, it's not faulty goods. Your statutory rights aren't affected. Lighten up buddy you don't have to attend every arguement you're invited to.
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Hi Barnes
I think the links you post an CIU are bad taste
Please refrain from posting them, they are not everyones cup of tea
No, you just haven't the same taste as everyone else.
Get over it.
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Look, this is how it works:-
Tosh n' Dave are moderators so they're like Captains Darling and Blackadder - they run the show (Ian Giles is AWOL in no-man's land at the mo') at a low level and if Lieutenant George or Private Baldrick (us lot) get out of hand or bleat about something against "da rulz" they lock or remove our threads and posts. If, like Nurse Mary, we really goof up we might even get shot! (Banned)
Forum Admin is yer actual General Melchett - Division belongs to them and like General Melchett what they says goes.
General Melchett doesn't care what Captains Darling and Blackadder think he just goes his own sweet way and rather cuckoo way and if a supplier of army uniforms gives him a free outfit with all the brass hats, dress uniforms and a nice Chateaux to live in for the duration and that supplier is upset by Private Baldrick saying they don't fit properly then who is going to be sent over the top? Private Baldrick or the owner of the biggest uniform factory this side of the River Seine?
Occasionally you'll get Squadron-Commander Flash-heart (some forum clever clogs who irritates everyone and whips up a storm in a teacup) flying in for a quick visit to take us to heaven and back but he soon disappears in a cloud of glory to turn up in a different guise.
Look, if Forum admin act like a tin pot dictator and you don't like their Mercedes-Benz rumbling through the countryside then skip over the border into M'bata-Land (another forum) and take yer chances over there. Mind you, do they have running water, medicine and doctors (good advice like wot I give ;D) to go along with the more lax style?
Hmmmmm?
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Look, this is how it works:-
Tosh n' Dave are moderators so they're like Captains Darling and Blackadder -
I'm Blackadder, not Darling, Ok! Squeaky is Pte Baldrick.
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Look, this is how it works:-
Tosh n' Dave are moderators so they're like Captains Darling and Blackadder - they run the show (Ian Giles is AWOL in mo-man's land at the mo') at a low level and if Lieutenant George or Private Baldrick (us lot) get out of hand or bleat about something against "da rulz" they lock or remove our threads and posts. If, like Nurse Mary, we really goof up we might even get shot! (Banned)
Forum Admin is yer actual General Melchett - Division belongs to them and like General Melchett what they says goes.
General Melchett doesn't care what Captains Darling and Blackadder think he just goes his own sweet way and rather cuckoo way and if a supplier of army uniforms gives him a free outfit with all the brass hats, dress uniforms and a nice Chateaux to live in for the duration and that supplier is upset by Private Baldrick saying they don't fit properly then who is going to b sent over the top? Private Baldrick or the owner of the biggest uniform factory this side of the River Seine?
Occasionally you'll get Squadron-Commander Flash-heart (some forum clever clogs who irritates everyone and whips up a storm in a teacup) flying in for a quick visit to take us to heaven and back but he soon disappears in a cloud of glory to turn up in a different guise.
Look, if Forum admin act like a tin pot dictator and you don't like their Mercedes-Benz rumbling through the countryside then skip over the border into M'bata-Land (another forum) and take yer chances over there. Mind you, do they have running water, medicine and doctors (good advice like wot I give ;D) to go along with the more lax style?
Hmmmmm?
classic gold lol
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Tosh exposed the ' pasting from fake accounts ' from the Willis's with them having the same IP's
It was then locked and swiftly ignored
Tosh, what was the outcome of that, people have been banned for less
I guess admin would not want to upset them about this either
It all Stinks
lol. It's just an Internet forum. D'you think about this when you're out brushing the glass. Does it occupy your mind when you're not in front of your monitor?
It's a forum, nothing more. Some people obviously aren't as credible individuals as yourself, but that's life. It doesn't really have any significance in the grand scheme of things. You've heard what you think is dodgy advice. Don't concern yourself, you'll die prematurely if you do, you didn't pay for the advice, it's not faulty goods. Your statutory rights aren't affected. Lighten up buddy you don't have to attend every arguement you're invited to.
What if we all accept it and advertisers have free hand to spout rubbish and the members who cannot think for themselves will just go along with whatever the advertisers is saying, prime example is this H&S course and cordening of the area you work
People need to stand up at some point in life
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You sound angry, James. Have you ever considered letting Buddha into your life?
Let it go, mate, you can't teach pigs to sing, you'll just end up frustrated and angry; and it annoys the pigs too.
Metta 'n' all that! ;D
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You sound angry, James. Have you ever considered letting Buddha into your life?
Let it go, mate, you can't teach pigs to sing, you'll just end up frustrated and angry; and it annoys the pigs too.
Metta 'n' all that! ;D
Tosh
It has annoyed me
Forums like this is to help each other, when you can not trust the place due to Admin protecting advertisers then we should all worry
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You sound angry, James. Have you ever considered letting Buddha into your life?
Let it go, mate, you can't teach pigs to sing, you'll just end up frustrated and angry; and it annoys the pigs too.
Metta 'n' all that! ;D
Tosh
It has annoyed me
Forums like this is to help each other, when you can not trust the place due to Admin protecting advertisers then we should all worry
James, it's a funny thing, but you will get frustrated if you try to change the World to suit your own view. Why? 'Cos it can't be done. All admin need do is ban you for being a bore. So a few folk delete their accounts - like they've always done - and the World still keeps on turning, mate.
And here's a little bit of knowledge for free; never ever trust an advert; try to find someone who you know is impartial and has had EXPERIENCE of an item/service, and trust what they say about a product. So now you know you don't have to trust any of them.
Also, don't let forum admin (or anyone else for that matter) annoy you. You cannot feel annoyed and happy at the same time, so by letting forum admin annoy you, you're letting them control the level of your happiness. Now, man up - be responsible - and take control of your own feelings, instead of letting others control them for you.
You remind me of my dog, when I chuck him a stick he has no choice, he's got to chase it. He doesn't easily let go of bones either.
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A quick but brief tour back through your posting history James illustrates someone who has a long-term dissatisfaction with the forum, how admin operate it or its members.
Check this out from march last year mate ;-)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=120619.msg1047543#msg1047543
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You remind me of my dog, when I chuck him a stick he has no choice, he's got to chase it. He doesn't easily let go of bones either.
Cracker.
;D ;D ;D
At least you didn't ask him what's the sound of one hand clapping ;D
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You remind me of my dog, when I chuck him a stick he has no choice, he's got to chase it. He doesn't easily let go of bones either.
Cracker.
;D ;D ;D
At least you didn't ask him what's the sound of one hand clapping ;D
Or if a man says something in a forest, and there's not a woman to hear him, is he still wrong?
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Or if a tree falls in that forest and there's no-one to hear it, does it still make a sound?
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Or if a tree falls in that forest and there's no-one to hear it, does it still make a sound?
No. We've debated this at some length in the off topic area, and it most certainly doesn't.
And it's all quite logical and rational too.
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Or if a tree falls in that forest and there's no-one to hear it, does it still make a sound?
if there is no one to hear it should it still be courdoned off before it falls just in case the person who should of heard it but doesnt because he is deaf has it land on his head ??? i know that statement was very childish but i just couldnt resist
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Or if a tree falls in that forest and there's no-one to hear it, does it still make a sound?
if there is no one to hear it should it still be courdoned off before it falls just in case the person who should of heard it but doesnt because he is deaf has it land on his head ??? i know that statement was very childish but i just couldnt resist
;D
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
The answer to all this cordoning off working areas is obvious. Cordon off the whole country then everyone can work safely.
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wwooooff
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Or if a tree falls in that forest and there's no-one to hear it, does it still make a sound?
if there is no one to hear it should it still be courdoned off before it falls just in case the person who should of heard it but doesnt because he is deaf has it land on his head ???
It must definitely be cordoned off - even if no-one ever goes near the forest ;D
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
The answer to all this cordoning off working areas is obvious. Cordon off the whole country then everyone can work safely.
If we use water, its already done for us.
That will be £10,000. training fee please
Art
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
whos that you?
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
whos that you?
clean and safe
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
whos that you?
clean and safe
clean and safe is mr willis! its his business
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
Demi Moore used to.
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
whos that you?
clean and safe
clean and safe is mr willis! its his business
It is hard to keep up with claims they are not and then they are, they share the same ip number and loan each other bog roll
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=160857.60
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
whos that you?
clean and safe
clean and safe is mr willis! its his business
It is hard to keep up with claims they are not and then they are, they share the same ip number and loan each other bog roll
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=160857.60
To be fair to them, it was all legitimate apart from ONE account - that 'Gordon' one. The rest were all unique and honest member accounts. So it wasn't like some big conspiracy or nowt.
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How come clean and safe dont cordon off areas?surely you have to practice what you preach?
A quick but brief tour back through clean and safe posting history illustrates someone who has a long-term affection with Mr Willis :-*
whos that you?
clean and safe
clean and safe is mr willis! its his business
It is hard to keep up with claims they are not and then they are, they share the same ip number and loan each other bog roll
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=160857.60
To be fair to them, it was all legitimate apart from ONE account - that 'Gordon' one. The rest were all unique and honest member accounts. So it wasn't like some big conspiracy or nowt.
;D One is enough though ;)
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So are pure freedom no good?
and also do we need to cordon areas off whilst working.
Tommorow im cleaning a building 45 ft high.im going to cordon the road off into town. ;D
And i think pure freedom are very good.
There resin is very good too.perhaps a ro is required.obviously didnt learn that at there nvq course. ;D