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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: steve123 on November 14, 2012, 05:29:45 pm
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Just looking to buy some hose for my pole.
Can anyone explain the difference (apart from .2mm) ;D between the 8mm and 7.8mm.
It looks identical apart from the .2mm so I cant see the point.
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no difference.
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Just looking to buy some hose for my pole.
Can anyone explain the difference (apart from .2mm) ;D between the 8mm and 7.8mm.
It looks identical apart from the .2mm so I cant see the point.
It is identical in compound to the 8mm however it is 0.2mm smaller!
What it does mean is that if you want to use it with the push-fit flow valves you will need to use the John Guest stem to barb adapters.
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steve i would go for the aqua-daptor pole hose mate.far superior hose IMO(sorry alex!) ;D ;D ;D ;D
the orange or the red hose are fantastic.very tough and easy to kink if you need to stop the flow! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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I bought 100 metres of the newer gardiner hose
About a month ago and it's a nightmare!!
Really stiff and gets tangled up like a box of cotton.
And has split twice this week 3 times in all!!
I had the old stuff in my pole 18 months b4 it split
This stuff is the pits :'(
Just trying to figure out what I can go with the rest of it
As I HATE wasting money
Sorry Alex but this is the only rubbish thing I've ever bought
of you!!
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Daz i have give a/d hose a go after your post on it, but have gone back to the soft gardiners hose as it is alot better for me, the a/d hose is too stiff to work with.
Alex do you have any of the old soft pole hose? the very soft one from when you could pick hard or soft hose.
Thanks B
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I bought 100 metres of the newer gardiner hose
About a month ago and it's a nightmare!!
Really stiff and gets tangled up like a box of cotton.
And has split twice this week 3 times in all!!
I had the old stuff in my pole 18 months b4 it split
This stuff is the pits :'(
Just trying to figure out what I can go with the rest of it
As I HATE wasting money
Sorry Alex but this is the only rubbish thing I've ever bought
of you!!
Sorry you do not get on with this particular hose :(
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Daz i have give a/d hose a go after your post on it, but have gone back to the soft gardiners hose as it is alot better for me, the a/d hose is too stiff to work with.
Alex do you have any of the old soft pole hose? the very soft one from when you could pick hard or soft hose.
Thanks B
We do not do any of the older soft hose, although you will find that the 8mm or the 7.8mm has some similarities in handling.
I use the same hose all year round and have about 4 different types of hose on poles in my van from the various types we have sold. I find that they way it is stored and coiled away has a great effect on how easy it is to use and how long it lasts.
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where did you get that old hose from alex, coz i'm still using the same length i got with my pole 18 mth ago, its tidy stuff
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I have just ordered 100m of the 7.8mm.
I did prefer the softer stuff Gardiners used to sell but the new stuff lasts well and at under £11 for 100m I don't think anyone can complain. (but they will) ;D
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Daz i have give a/d hose a go after your post on it, but have gone back to the soft gardiners hose as it is alot better for me, the a/d hose is too stiff to work with.
Alex do you have any of the old soft pole hose? the very soft one from when you could pick hard or soft hose.
Thanks B
We do not do any of the older soft hose, although you will find that the 8mm or the 7.8mm has some similarities in handling.
I use the same hose all year round and have about 4 different types of hose on poles in my van from the various types we have sold. I find that they way it is stored and coiled away has a great effect on how easy it is to use and how long it lasts.
and the video is coming out.................
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I use Aquadaptor's red pole hose as my main hose and it's great. The pole hose on my Gardiners SLX22 is ok but does get a bit too twisted for my liking. Think it's time for a change.
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where did you get that old hose from alex, coz i'm still using the same length i got with my pole 18 mth ago, its tidy stuff
Same factory that we have this made - as we have to buy this in quantities of 100,000m+ a year we are unable to stock more than one type (apart from the few rolls of 7.8mm we currently have) at a time.
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Daz i have give a/d hose a go after your post on it, but have gone back to the soft gardiners hose as it is alot better for me, the a/d hose is too stiff to work with.
Alex do you have any of the old soft pole hose? the very soft one from when you could pick hard or soft hose.
Thanks B
We do not do any of the older soft hose, although you will find that the 8mm or the 7.8mm has some similarities in handling.
I use the same hose all year round and have about 4 different types of hose on poles in my van from the various types we have sold. I find that they way it is stored and coiled away has a great effect on how easy it is to use and how long it lasts.
and the video is coming out.................
You want to see me coiling hose?
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where did you get that old hose from alex, coz i'm still using the same length i got with my pole 18 mth ago, its tidy stuff
Same factory that we have this made - as we have to buy this in quantities of 100,000m+ a year we are unable to stock more than one type (apart from the few rolls of 7.8mm we currently have) at a time.
hmmm bit much for me then ;D cheers though
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I bought 100 metres of the newer gardiner hose
About a month ago and it's a nightmare!!
Really stiff and gets tangled up like a box of cotton.
And has split twice this week 3 times in all!!
I had the old stuff in my pole 18 months b4 it split
This
Just trying to figure out what I can go with the rest of it
As I HATE wasting money
Sorry Alex but this is the only rubbish thing I've ever bought
of you!!
Colin il have sum off this off you
Cheap lol ;D
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I bought 100 metres of the newer gardiner hose
About a month ago and it's a nightmare!!
Really stiff and gets tangled up like a box of cotton.
And has split twice this week 3 times in all!!
I had the old stuff in my pole 18 months b4 it split
This
Just trying to figure out what I can go with the rest of it
As I HATE wasting money
Sorry Alex but this is the only rubbish thing I've ever bought
of you!!
Colin il have sum off this off you
Cheap lol ;D
You can av it Gav
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I bought 100 metres of the newer gardiner hose
About a month ago and it's a nightmare!!
Really stiff and gets tangled up like a box of cotton.
And has split twice this week 3 times in all!!
I had the old stuff in my pole 18 months b4 it split
This stuff is the pits :'(
Just trying to figure out what I can go with the rest of it
As I HATE wasting money
Sorry Alex but this is the only rubbish thing I've ever bought
of you!!
Sorry Alex but I also have to agree on this one. Not the best thing I've ever bought from you.
I bought 100 metres of 8mm a few months back from you. I was starting to think I had old stock or something.
It's not very flexible, tangles easily and I find I still need the barbs for the push fit tap else they weep.
I haven't had any split yet though.
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I bought 100 metres of the newer gardiner hose
About a month ago and it's a nightmare!!
Really stiff and gets tangled up like a box of cotton.
And has split twice this week 3 times in all!!
I had the old stuff in my pole 18 months b4 it split
This stuff is the pits :'(
Just trying to figure out what I can go with the rest of it
As I HATE wasting money
Sorry Alex but this is the only rubbish thing I've ever bought
of you!!
Sorry Alex but I also have to agree on this one. Not the best thing I've ever bought from you.
I bought 100 metres of 8mm a few months back from you. I was starting to think I had old stock or something.
It's not very flexible, tangles easily and I find I still need the barbs for the push fit tap else they weep.
I haven't had any split yet though.
Your issue may be down to the fact that it has been stored as a 100m reel and when you pull off 8m or so for a pole it still has a memory from being tightly rolled for a while.
What can really help is to condition it before use. Cut off the length you need from the main roll and then a fill bucket with near boiling water (couple of boiled kettles with the rest tap hot) and submerge the hose in it for 20 or 30 seconds. Then remove the hose and loosely coil the hose in about a 50cm diameter coil and leave for a few hours like this. When you then come to use it for the first time it should be a lot more usable and give you less hassle.
The slight problem we have is that when we have a pole hose produced we have to try and produce a 'middle of the road' hose that suits most people. Our current hose seems to do this - however it will not suit everyone.
However having said all of this you mention that your hose is not fitting into the pole valve without slight weeping. Could you email me on alex@agardiner.co.uk so that I can address this issue for you as this should not be happening and I would like to get this sorted for you.
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Has someone got a link to the barb fitting?its been driving me mad how loose fitting it was.i thought it was a bad jg fitting
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http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/john-guest-8mm-stem-to-6mm-barb.html
http://www.aqua-dapter.co.uk/hose-fittings/john-guest-6mm-barb-to-8mm-stem/
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http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/john-guest-8mm-stem-to-6mm-barb.html
http://www.aqua-dapter.co.uk/hose-fittings/john-guest-6mm-barb-to-8mm-stem/
thanks! Didnt know these existed
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"However having said all of this you mention that your hose is not fitting into the pole valve without slight weeping. Could you email me on alex@agardiner.co.uk so that I can address this issue for you as this should not be happening and I would like to get this sorted for you."
Same thing happened on both my Gardiners poles. First pole I mentioned it and got two free inserts sent out, (thank you). Second pole I mentioned the potential problem on the phone, when I was buying it, and was told it won't leak. Did it? Oh yes. Luckily for me (or not) I had bought two inserts!
It's little things like that, that just take the edge off of otherwise good service. Got a free cap though...very much appreciated.
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Alex. Thanks for the offer but the weeping is not really a big deal. Not to send back or anything. I just use the inserts and a couple of cable ties.
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I have just ordered 100m of the 7.8mm.
I did prefer the softer stuff Gardiners used to sell but the new stuff lasts well and at under £11 for 100m I don't think anyone can complain. (but they will) ;D
Well it looks like it's me that's complaining. Have had the 7.8mm hose for a week or so and my blokes are close to mutiny.
I am normally a fan of stuff from Gardiners but the 80m of hose I have left will be going in the bin.
It has slowed production to a crawl as the lads spend all day untangling it.
One of my guys went in the bin today a got his old hose with holes in, repaired it with tape and put it back on his pole coz he hates the new stuff so much.
So I guess I need to find a new hose supplier. Sorry Alex but I think you got this stuff very wrong. I have been using poles since about 2004 and this is easily the worst stuff I have had.
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I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine. Also, when it starts to get cooler, I put my immersion heater on that's in my tank so as to warm the water a bit which helps keep the hose supple. Much easier to work with then.
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I have just ordered 100m of the 7.8mm.
I did prefer the softer stuff Gardiners used to sell but the new stuff lasts well and at under £11 for 100m I don't think anyone can complain. (but they will) ;D
Well it looks like it's me that's complaining. Have had the 7.8mm hose for a week or so and my blokes are close to mutiny.
I am normally a fan of stuff from Gardiners but the 80m of hose I have left will be going in the bin.
It has slowed production to a crawl as the lads spend all day untangling it.
One of my guys went in the bin today a got his old hose with holes in, repaired it with tape and put it back on his pole coz he hates the new stuff so much.
So I guess I need to find a new hose supplier. Sorry Alex but I think you got this stuff very wrong. I have been using poles since about 2004 and this is easily the worst stuff I have had.
Hi Neil
Thank you for your observation. I am sorry that you and your workers are not getting on with it. Just to clarify we are talking about the 7.8mm od that is currently 'on sale' for £10.95 for 100 metres not our standard pole hose.
I could respond to your findings in several ways so here are some of my replies :)
1. New pole usually needs a good couple of weeks of use to wear in to standard use - as you will know from your experience.
2. It could be memory effect from being in a roll for a long time. To prevent this what can really help is to condition it before use. Cut off the length you need from the main roll and then fill a bucket with near boiling water (couple of boiled kettles with the rest tap hot) and submerge the hose in it for 20 or 30 seconds. Then remove the hose and loosely coil the hose in about a 50cm diameter coil and leave for a few hours like this. When you then come to use it for the first time it should be a lot more usable and give you less hassle.
3. A lot is down to personal taste as we have lots of clients who have bought this 7.8mm hose on sale and really like it, particularly in the colder weather as it is slightly softer than the standard 8mm hose (due to thinner wall). Personally I prefer this softer 7.8mm hose to our standard stuff that is twice the price.
Answer 3 is actually the most relevant as what one client loves another hates.
In reality this is something that I am in the middle of trying to address once and for all. It has been several years since we were able to get hose that we were truly happy with. In fact we changed away from our original manufacturer because they changed the compound on us without warning and refused to admit the change. We have continued with (IMO) a more basic hose that does the job, but I believe that we can do better.
I have many different samples and compounds in front of me as I type trying to assess the good points of each (if they have them). Bore, OD, wall thickness, compound etc. all have a part to play in the way the hose performs. I currently have 5 different pole hoses in use in my van so that I can experience exactly how they work out in the field. I am trying to be able to have manufactured a hose that works well with all of our fittings, is supple enough to work well without memory, but not so soft that it tangles too easily. Also it will need to perform well in the summer heat without getting too soft, but remain supple enough in -0°C temperatures that we get in the winter. I am confident that we can achieve this as I do have some of my original hose that used to do all of this so well.
I would like to get this sorted for everyone's sakes :)
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Alex, have you sourced the hose that Sureclean sells? It's basic hose, fairly cheap and doesn't need inserts. I can't believe he is the only one who orders it. It's the best I've found hot or cold.
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I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine.
I have posted on this before but I am convinced a lot has to do with the operator and how they twist the pole when
raising and lowering and how they pack away the hose at the end of the job.
Whenever my missus uses any of my poles the hose is in a right tangle afterwards. I don't have a problem with twisting or kinking with the "new and hard" Gardiners hose. I just spin the brush head 3 or 4 times a couple of times a day.
However one question for Alex - as you are testing different hoses.
Is it possible to have a pole hose with a different colour line all the way along the hose just like speaker cable has to help identify the positive lead?
This way when the hose is twisted we could easily see whether to spin the brush head clockwise or anti-clockwise to straighten it up or when it is released from the connectors which way to twist to get it straight.
Just a thought :)
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Alex, have you sourced the hose that Sureclean sells? It's basic hose, fairly cheap and doesn't need inserts. I can't believe he is the only one who orders it. It's the best I've found hot or cold.
I haven't sourced this hose - but it may be worth me trying it out before deciding.
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Alex, have you sourced the hose that Sureclean sells? It's basic hose, fairly cheap and doesn't need inserts. I can't believe he is the only one who orders it. It's the best I've found hot or cold.
Yellow or Black?
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Yellow
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Yellow
Thanks - I will add it into the trial process.
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I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine.
I have posted on this before but I am convinced a lot has to do with the operator and how they twist the pole when
raising and lowering and how they pack away the hose at the end of the job.
Whenever my missus uses any of my poles the hose is in a right tangle afterwards. I don't have a problem with twisting or kinking with the "new and hard" Gardiners hose. I just spin the brush head 3 or 4 times a couple of times a day.
However one question for Alex - as you are testing different hoses.
Is it possible to have a pole hose with a different colour line all the way along the hose just like speaker cable has to help identify the positive lead?
This way when the hose is twisted we could easily see whether to spin the brush head clockwise or anti-clockwise to straighten it up or when it is released from the connectors which way to twist to get it straight.
Just a thought :)
This is interesting, because i've given it a go and it seems to work. Not sure which way to turn it initially though! So you either wind it up worse or make it better. Some sort of swivel fitting (like when you're fishing) would be a good! Any ideas?
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I'm using the newer Gardiner hose and definitely think the way you coil it up after a job matters. Coil it to tightly and it coils up at the base of the pole as you try to extend it. But coil it more loosely and it's fine.
I have posted on this before but I am convinced a lot has to do with the operator and how they twist the pole when
raising and lowering and how they pack away the hose at the end of the job.
Whenever my missus uses any of my poles the hose is in a right tangle afterwards. I don't have a problem with twisting or kinking with the "new and hard" Gardiners hose. I just spin the brush head 3 or 4 times a couple of times a day.
However one question for Alex - as you are testing different hoses.
Is it possible to have a pole hose with a different colour line all the way along the hose just like speaker cable has to help identify the positive lead?
This way when the hose is twisted we could easily see whether to spin the brush head clockwise or anti-clockwise to straighten it up or when it is released from the connectors which way to twist to get it straight.
Just a thought :)
Good thought - I will look into this.