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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Micky Boy on November 10, 2012, 11:48:44 am
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
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Only had good experiances with them over last 3 years - poles are a no no as are Ionics poles so just buy Gardiners or even Phoenix.
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ive never had any problems with them always as helpfull as they can be.
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They fitted our system, and it works superb without any problems.
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I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin ? How much water you useing ? and what is your water tds ?
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Frying pan, fire. Good luck.
Art
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Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
Wait till something goes wrong now, Very polite but make sure you are sat down when you get the invoice for repairs
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Membranes on Ro are shot if you're using that much resin
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Brilliant company to deal with. Explained all aspects of the system when I had it installed 18 months ago, and as a new starter I was nervous about everything.
Encouraged me to ring them if ever I needed advice or help
Completely different experience Andrew and I would always suggest any new starters to look at their systems including the diesel heaters. Although expensive, best bit of kit I've got and have been offered a service when I go up to get my system converted to a two man system
I'm not doubting your experiences with them Andrew, but I have only positive things to say about them.
Steve
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Pure Freedom the dogs cahoona's always avail via phone had my system just under 12 months have been a pain to them but they have not let me down to date ...Ring Andrew up and explain your issues i'm sure he will resolve
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Something isn't right if you're using a bag of resin every 2 weeks! I get 6 months or more out of a bag!
Are you DI only? If so you need to get Ro's as this will reduce your resin usage by 95%.
If you're already using reverse osmosis (Which I doubt with that resin usage), then you probably need to replace membranes & possibly install a booster pump.
RO's can be easily retrofitted to any van mounted system, but its often easier to setup a static system in your garage or unit where the RO can run 24/7 - that way you can use a smaller & cheaper RO, and its also easier to power a booster pump.
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Hmmm,the notorious Lincolnshire undercutters.
You were happy praising Pure Freedom in the past inc. the beginning of the year so your grievances must be recent.
Two things spring to mind,one that your underpaid disgruntled staff are wrecking your equipment and two,you have probably managed to attempt to lay the blame for this at Pure Freedom`s door.
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Bejaysus!,and you think buying a system from Ionics is lucky!
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. For what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
SPRUCE- YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND! ;D My thoughts exactly! ;)
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I've used purefreedom twice on van installs over the years and cannot fault them. Equipment is 4and 5 years old and still going strong. Couple of battery replacements but that's it.
The poles aren't great once you've experienced the gardiners range but they served me well over the 3 years I used them, lasting approx 18 months each.
Customer service is excellent and always happy to give advice.
I have a suspicion there's something not quite legit about the original comments
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Installed my tank for me, couldn't fault them ............ apart from they are in GRIMBSBY! :-X but they can't help that.
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I have only ever had good service and products from Pure Freedom. Brilliant company to deal with. Helped me loads of times even when I am being stupid.
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. For what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
SPRUCE- YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND! ;D My thoughts exactly! ;)
you can always count on spruce to give a top reply,always great reading your post on here spruce,just wish there were a few more like you ;D ;D ;D ;D love you all baby :P
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To me pure freedom are good they did my system 4 years ago always bought new gear of them , there trolley is the best on the market . ;D ;D ;D
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until the battery dies >:(
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had my pure freedom hot system for nearly three years, had a break down on burner just before twelve month old, purefreedom found me a webasto dealer local to me to fix the problem and refunded me the money for repairs which was nearly £200 , They put a lot of effort into getting me this refund from the webasto dealer and could easily of left it to me to chase up for the refund but as warranty was with them they did the footwork, all i can say is great company and will deffinately buy my next system from them.
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I was recommended using PF by three different wc's. I ordered everything bar the pump/controller and pole from them. They have been superb in helping me out with different probs or questions I've had, as have Gardiners and Williamson Pumps.
I for one am glad I took the advice and used these suppliers.
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Been on the phone to pure freedom several times over the last month regarding various bits and bobs and can't fault them - friendly, helpful staff and very knowledgeable
How do you know ionics are any better when you've only just swapped over?
I bet they can't do enough for you at the moment - let us know what it's like after the same period with them
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Hmmm,the notorious Lincolnshire undercutters.
You were happy praising Pure Freedom in the past inc. the beginning of the year so your grievances must be recent.
Two things spring to mind,one that your underpaid disgruntled staff are wrecking your equipment and two,you have probably managed to attempt to lay the blame for this at Pure Freedom`s door.
like button please ;D
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
like button please, i could not agree more with the above post.
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the things this mob have told my customers to try and get work is shocking. i would hang my head with shame if i had to do the same.
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Hmmm,the notorious Lincolnshire undercutters.
You were happy praising Pure Freedom in the past inc. the beginning of the year so your grievances must be recent.
Two things spring to mind,one that your underpaid disgruntled staff are wrecking your equipment and two,you have probably managed to attempt to lay the blame for this at Pure Freedom`s door.
KARMA
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the things this mob have told my customers to try and get work is shocking. i would hang my head with shame if i had to do the same.
Assume you are from Lincs area too mate?
I've heard a few story's about these and experienced their canvassing techniques 1st hand - Glad to say I haven't lost a single customer (in fact they couldn't wait to tell me how quick they were to laugh off the hard sell ;D)
I hope pure freedom see this post, although I fear they would respond with the grace that is sadly lacking elsewhere :)
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I have a fully fitted pure freedom system fitted in the van i brought - so i'm not even an original customer
but they have been more than helpful suppling info on the controllers and answering questions
TOP COMPANY!
cant wait to hear about mike willie's experiences with Icronic
Darran
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Brilliant feedback
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Brilliant feedback
yes it is. show it to your workforce and canvasser. is this how you want to run your business?
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Brilliant feedback
Michael - or anyone - please take a look at this profile and tell me by their back posts who you think it is?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=28657
Is this a 'sock puppet' account for Michael Willis? They have exactly the same I.P. number which makes me suspicious? And the content of the posts also makes me suspicious.
Can anyone have a look and confirm or deny it?
Thanks in advance. Having more than one account - just to be nasty to other folk - behind a false name isn't really British I don't think. So I just like to confirm stuff before I begin deleting accounts.
Cheers.
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Tosh, I'm sure you've seen my run in's with Gareth Foster, it does make sense considering past comments I've made regarding impact43. If this is the case its a bit sad. For the record I'd like to state I've nothing against impact43 and have had reasonable debate with Andrew Willis its a pity it appears all the family aren't the same.
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Yeh, thanks, DG, I think so too.
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Hmmm,the notorious Lincolnshire undercutters.
You were happy praising Pure Freedom in the past inc. the beginning of the year so your grievances must be recent.
Two things spring to mind,one that your underpaid disgruntled staff are wrecking your equipment and two,you have probably managed to attempt to lay the blame for this at Pure Freedom`s door.
like button please ;D
What goes around comes around id say !
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Whoever it is it looks like he's made himself look a right lemon here as no one else has agreed with his load of b****x
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Brilliant feedback
Michael - or anyone - please take a look at this profile and tell me by their back posts who you think it is?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=28657
Is this a 'sock puppet' account for Michael Willis? They have exactly the same I.P. number which makes me suspicious? And the content of the posts also makes me suspicious.
Can anyone have a look and confirm or deny it?
Thanks in advance. Having more than one account - just to be nasty to other folk - behind a false name isn't really British I don't think. So I just like to confirm stuff before I begin deleting accounts.
Cheers.
Oh dear!
It did occur to me that this was posted on a Saturday morning. It sounds as though it is the usual 'cut the tree down on Saturday morning as the neighbours have no council to complain to until offices open on Monday morning when its too late to do anything.'
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If I were Pure Freedom I'd have this whole thread pinned up on the reception wall!! ;D
Given this & previous evidence, sounds like these Willis's are crooks!
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I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin ? How much water you useing ? and what is your water tds ?
That is over 2k a year in just resin. Ouch.
Do you not shake your canisters when the ppm creeps up??
I go through 4 bags a year producing 2000-3000 litres a week with a merlin ro.
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Hi agree tosh
Certainly looks like at least from the same office.
Do clean safe operate from the impact office ?
I have to hold my hands up to having done something similar once. when Clean safe were approaching my customers and the whole thing was blowing up on here I had a separate account as i did not wish to be named personally as I was in the middle of the course with Impact 43. I said a few thing which Clean safe did not like.
I had a call from Andrew Willis threatening to take legal action against me if i did not print an apology on here.
I did it.
So I am shocked to find its a case of "do as I say not as I do" Only one word springs to mind.... Hypocrites.
If its true then an apology is in order from the Willis family.
Come on boys, i was big enough..... are you?
Foot note...
I have helped many guys start up in this business. One only 3 weeks ago. I advised him to buy from PF as the prices were good and the equipment just what he needed. (with the exception of the poles which I advised him to go elsewhere)
I was very impressed with the customer service and all equipment is working perfectly.
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Neil one I don't have two accounts and second andy Willis has nothing to do with Cleansafe.
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Very poor DIY kits, steer well clear.
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Neil one I don't have two accounts and second andy Willis has nothing to do with Cleansafe.
Very well. If you say so, then ok.
However I stand by what i said. I was called by Andrew and If look back I probably still have the email from him threatening legal action, Would you like me to post it if I find it?
I am not getting into a fresh argument with you guys as i have no beef with you anymore. To be fair to you guys I have not had any reports from either my customers or my workforce about cleansafe's "methods of gaining custom" so i guess we are all now getting along together as it should be.
It was not me who said you had 2 accounts but if someone working in Leicester has hacked into your office computer perhaps you should be a little concerned ;)
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best company in the country buy buy buy
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Neil I believe his problem is when you drag impact in to it. I have no problem I have never had any problem. I'm just trying to do the best I've only been doing this for two years and have learned a lot.
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Neil I believe his problem is when you drag impact in to it. I have no problem I have never had any problem. I'm just trying to do the best I've only been doing this for two years and have learned a lot.
Michael on that occasion I never dragged impact into it, others did. However I was contacted and threatened with legal action.
I found Impacts training to be very good, Andrew is a very good instructor. I would recommend anyone doing the course he offers.
However the point here is that it has been suggested that you have two accounts. Something I did, and was pulled up on by Andrew personally.
If indeed you do then I would suggest you apologize as I did. If not, perhaps let Gareth Foster from Leicester explain who he is and why he uses your computer?
just a thought :)
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Spoke with Michael this morning, expressed my views that this is not a very professional post. He advised that he has had some bad service lately that’s caused him lots of problems. This week in particular, “letting off steam”.
Not the way to handle it shows we all have bad days. However I have advised he addresses problems professionally with Pure Freedom and then post any feedback if he needs to post feedback to the forum.
Impact does have a portable trolley in the van which we use on training days
Strangely we had problems with it this week mainly because when we folded the handle we caught the hose in it and caused and air lock luckily Ian the trainer fixed the problem.
I really like the Pure Freedom trolley
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
like button please, i could not agree more with the above post.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
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Brilliant feedback
Michael - or anyone - please take a look at this profile and tell me by their back posts who you think it is?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=28657
Is this a 'sock puppet' account for Michael Willis? They have exactly the same I.P. number which makes me suspicious? And the content of the posts also makes me suspicious.
Can anyone have a look and confirm or deny it?
Thanks in advance. Having more than one account - just to be nasty to other folk - behind a false name isn't really British I don't think. So I just like to confirm stuff before I begin deleting accounts.
Cheers.
Tosh, could you e mail me the IP address on this account ....andrew.willis@impact43.com
I will want to check out account and user against those in the office
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If I were Pure Freedom I'd have this whole thread pinned up on the reception wall!! ;D
Given this & previous evidence, sounds like these Willis's are crooks!
Define what activity
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
like button please, i could not agree more with the above post.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
CSWC is a family business
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
Sorry,
I guess stake is a different word to shares but has the same connotation in my 'books'.
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Tosh, I'm sure you've seen my run in's with Gareth Foster, it does make sense considering past comments I've made regarding impact43. If this is the case its a bit sad. For the record I'd like to state I've nothing against impact43 and have had reasonable debate with Andrew Willis its a pity it appears all the family aren't the same.
Sorry about your News, Afterall that, you did not have a stalker, just a idiot
We always knew he was a low quality stalker, but now he is not even that
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
you should let your brother know
CSWC is a family business
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
Or just phone Admin and get them to them to delete this whole sorry episode
Another solution would be to E.MAIL / PHONE everyone and threaten them with legal action
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Hi agree tosh
Certainly looks like at least from the same office.
Do clean safe operate from the impact office ?
I have to hold my hands up to having done something similar once. when Clean safe were approaching my customers and the whole thing was blowing up on here I had a separate account as i did not wish to be named personally as I was in the middle of the course with Impact 43. I said a few thing which Clean safe did not like.
I had a call from Andrew Willis threatening to take legal action against me if i did not print an apology on here.
I did it.
So I am shocked to find its a case of "do as I say not as I do" Only one word springs to mind.... Hypocrites.
If its true then an apology is in order from the Willis family.
Come on boys, i was big enough..... are you?
Foot note...
I have helped many guys start up in this business. One only 3 weeks ago. I advised him to buy from PF as the prices were good and the equipment just what he needed. (with the exception of the poles which I advised him to go elsewhere)
I was very impressed with the customer service and all equipment is working perfectly.
Neil
At the time there was a lot of libelous comments on the forum against Impact43
I am happy with freedom of speech, as I have said before as long at its not libelous, malicious and unfairly damaging, What fails me is that Mick is an ex infantry soldier, has come out the army and set up a window cleaning business, work hard, tries to be proffesional “apart from this forum post” lol
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Neil I believe his problem is when you drag impact in to it. I have no problem I have never had any problem. I'm just trying to do the best I've only been doing this for two years and have learned a lot.
Michael on that occasion I never dragged impact into it, others did. However I was contacted and threatened with legal action.
I found Impacts training to be very good, Andrew is a very good instructor. I would recommend anyone doing the course he offers.
However the point here is that it has been suggested that you have two accounts. Something I did, and was pulled up on by Andrew personally.
If indeed you do then I would suggest you apologize as I did. If not, perhaps let Gareth Foster from Leicester explain who he is and why he uses your computer?
just a thought :)
Will check this out Neil
Regards
Andy
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Tosh, could you e mail me the IP address on this account ....andrew.willis@impact43.com
I will want to check out account and user against those in the office
If you do, then you'll be in breach of the data protection act.
They CIU could be sued by the information comissioner.
Even ISPs can't give out users IP addresses without a court order.
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i am glad someone else thinks the same not been wfp long and they sold me a ro and it was a load of crap when you phone them they fob you off and try and put blame on you they need shaming load of rubish
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Tosh, could you e mail me the IP address on this account ....andrew.willis@impact43.com
I will want to check out account and user against those in the office
If you do, then you'll be in breach of the data protection act.
They CIU could be sued by the information comissioner.
Even ISPs can't give out users IP addresses without a court order.
Don't tell me that someone actually understands the DPA?
Andrew, I will email you later. All I will be doing is showing you the same Ip number you all use. There are about five accounts all with the same ip number. And that Gordon account is interesting with regards the content of the posts. I am on my phone at the moment. My legs are not working and it's not alcohol related.
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If I were Pure Freedom I'd have this whole thread pinned up on the reception wall!! ;D
Given this & previous evidence, sounds like these Willis's are crooks!
Define what activity
You're not that important to me. I would never get the time taken to do that back.
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Tosh, could you e mail me the IP address on this account ....andrew.willis@impact43.com
I will want to check out account and user against those in the office
If you do, then you'll be in breach of the data protection act.
They CIU could be sued by the information comissioner.
Even ISPs can't give out users IP addresses without a court order.
Don't tell me that someone actually understands the DPA?
Andrew, I will email you later. All I will be doing is showing you the same Ip number you all use. There are about five accounts all with the same ip number. And that Gordon account is interesting with regards the content of the posts. I am on my phone at the moment. My legs are not working and it's not alcohol related.
TA
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If I were Pure Freedom I'd have this whole thread pinned up on the reception wall!! ;D
Given this & previous evidence, sounds like these Willis's are crooks!
Define what activity
You're not that important to me. I would never get the time taken to do that back.
:'(
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
you should let your brother know
CSWC is a family business
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
Or just phone Admin and get them to them to delete this whole sorry episode
Another solution would be to E.MAIL / PHONE everyone and threaten them with legal action
So have you told him Yet ?
Or are you ignoring the fact that someone has been caught out ?
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Tosh, could you e mail me the IP address on this account ....andrew.willis@impact43.com
I will want to check out account and user against those in the office
If you do, then you'll be in breach of the data protection act.
They CIU could be sued by the information comissioner.
Even ISPs can't give out users IP addresses without a court order.
Don't tell me that someone actually understands the DPA?
Andrew, I will email you later. All I will be doing is showing you the same Ip number you all use. There are about five accounts all with the same ip number. And that Gordon account is interesting with regards the content of the posts. I am on my phone at the moment. My legs are not working and it's not alcohol related.
I wouldnt waste your time, i have checked my 'billy bullpoo book of excuses' and i have come up with a excuse :
Someone in the office has let my brother use our wifi in his unit, my brother then met Gordon in ' some ' bar and they went back to the office to compare poles
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
you should let your brother know
CSWC is a family business
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
Or just phone Admin and get them to them to delete this whole sorry episode
Another solution would be to E.MAIL / PHONE everyone and threaten them with legal action
So have you told him Yet ?
Or are you ignoring the fact that someone has been caught out ?
Sorry James, told him what?
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Andrew
email sent
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
you should let your brother know
CSWC is a family business
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
Or just phone Admin and get them to them to delete this whole sorry episode
Another solution would be to E.MAIL / PHONE everyone and threaten them with legal action
So have you told him Yet ?
Or are you ignoring the fact that someone has been caught out ?
Sorry James, told him what?
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
That Impact do not own 75% of his business
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Tosh, could you e mail me the IP address on this account ....andrew.willis@impact43.com
I will want to check out account and user against those in the office
If you do, then you'll be in breach of the data protection act.
They CIU could be sued by the information comissioner.
Even ISPs can't give out users IP addresses without a court order.
Don't tell me that someone actually understands the DPA?
Andrew, I will email you later. All I will be doing is showing you the same Ip number you all use. There are about five accounts all with the same ip number. And that Gordon account is interesting with regards the content of the posts. I am on my phone at the moment. My legs are not working and it's not alcohol related.
I wouldnt waste your time, i have checked my 'billy bullpoo book of excuses' and i have come up with a excuse :
Someone in the office has let my brother use our wifi in his unit, my brother then met Gordon in ' some ' bar and they went back to the office to compare poles
billy bullpoo book of excuses' :o seriously mate, no street cred with that post, still made me laugh
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
you should let your brother know
CSWC is a family business
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
Or just phone Admin and get them to them to delete this whole sorry episode
Another solution would be to E.MAIL / PHONE everyone and threaten them with legal action
So have you told him Yet ?
Or are you ignoring the fact that someone has been caught out ?
Sorry James, told him what?
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
That Impact do not own 75% of his business
Impact 43 brought some equipment and small window cleaning rounds ....trading 2011-20102
Mick ownership start up (25%)
IMPACT43 (75%)
The agreement was we would release ownership / as debt for equipment and rounds was paid off
Clean Safe has paid all money trading 2011-20102
Therefore IMPACT43 owns no part of Clean Safe
Or is owed money by Clean Safe
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been using this company for two years now spent a lot of money probably about £21.000 kitting my three vans out and brought a lot of poles from them which are the worst poles in the industry.
and this is what you get
1. rude staff
2. when their equipment breaks they don’t help and charge you mental costs to repair.
i would advice fellow windeys the equipment are cheap but with that comes poor customers service and poor quality equipment we have had to change the controls about 4 times my static system has to have the resin changed every two weeks which means I’m spending £80 every two weeks on resin - didn’t say that at the start when i brought it!!!!
Lucky we have now just brought a ionic’s system may cost more but in the long run it will save money plus won’t have to put up with them plonkers.
has anyone else had bad service from them or am i just unlucky any feedback people
just saying
Nameless Drudge got to post first.
Are you the same Michael Willis that had lots of good to say about them within the last 18 months?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=145019.msg1193211#msg1193211
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=123303.msg1064978#msg1064978
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=142652.msg1170074#msg1170074
Are you also the same Mike Willis that very aggressively threatened to take legal action against anyone (including forum members) making untrue, libellous comments if they are damaging to CSWC?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
So how is it OK for you to slate Pure Freedom on here but no one is able to say anything in a similar vein about you or your business without being threatened?
As Nat has already pointed out, this doesn't sound right. If you are the only one having a problem, then maybe the problem is an internal one.
I would like to say that I don't know you at all and I have only dealt with Pure Freedom once, for resin, and on that occassion their service was excellent. One of the windies in the same village as we are uses PF for all his business requirements and he can't speak highly enough of them, their advise and service.
I do know Andrew and Dave from Impact43 though. From what I know of them, and that they have a 75% stake in your business, I think they would be very embarrassed if they read this post IMHO, especially as their Impact43 trainer on the WFP side recommends the Pure Freedom range of products and services.
Impact43 has no shares in Clean Safe
you should let your brother know
CSWC is a family business
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=126015.msg1091549#msg1091549
Or just phone Admin and get them to them to delete this whole sorry episode
Another solution would be to E.MAIL / PHONE everyone and threaten them with legal action
So have you told him Yet ?
Or are you ignoring the fact that someone has been caught out ?
Sorry James, told him what?
I own a 25% stake in the venture and the remaining 75% is owned by IMPACT43
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family. (I have no part in IMPACT43)
That Impact do not own 75% of his business
Impact 43 brought some equipment and small window cleaning rounds ....trading 2011-20102
Mick ownership start up (25%)
IMPACT43 (75%)
The agreement was we would release ownership / as debt for equipment and rounds was paid off
Clean Safe has paid all money trading 2011-20102
Therefore IMPACT43 owns no part of Clean Safe
Or is owed money by Clean Safe
That is all you needed to post, you might have been better with ' Impact43 no longer has shares in Clean Safe
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
Firstly...wow, don’t you all think this whole thing is a bit over the top. The original post was started by a forum user who was expressing their own experience with a particular supplier...something which happens here daily!
Would I have personally posted the thread and dealt with it this way...no! My brother is a 26 year old man who has been running a business for 2 years, in hindsight he would probably look back and think "I wish I hadn't posted that".
How many of you have done this in the past, if you trail back through all of other members posts you will find some sort of dirt or an embarrassing post.
Some of you revert back to the posts where he had said all but good things about pure freedom. At that time he probably felt that way....most of you probably had a full set of hair at some point but that has changed, as does the opinion people have.
Has it really done any harm to Pure Freedom, my opinion would be that it has had the total opposite and when they read this which of course they will, they will have a big smile across their faces and from the comments on here, so they should have. This doesn't change the way Michael feels he has been treated as a customer.
Regarding the old chestnut of Impact43/Clean safe. When clean safe was created a couple of years back, Impact43 did have a financial interest as some of you have pointed out (I really can’t be bothered to explain it all again, you can find it in past posts). Again times and circumstances lead to change and maybe this forum had a part in this as it was seen as a conflict of interest. Only my dad (Andrew Willis) can answer this. But what I can say is Andrew or Impact43 do not have anything to do with clean safe. Clean safe has a unit next to the offices of Impact43 and therefore the reason for the same or similar IP addresses, other than that, they have nothing to share other than the old pint of milk or reel of bog roll.
Anyone on here who knows my dad well, will know he is a top bloke and has a very strong ethic in regards to trust and integrity, so any issues with fake profiles etc in the Impact camp will be dealt with accordingly.
Mark, you are correct that Impact use the pure freedom product in training, the same as we do many other different suppliers equipment, all of these are on a totally neutral basis and the point is to allow users to make their own minds up. The part I am lost on though is you say you know me and Andrew personally, when have we met? Have you attended our training? Can’t put a name to a face on this one!
In regards to all the other comments regarding Clean Safe and the local Lincolnshire window cleaners....really is water off a window cleaners waterproofs. I am bored of hearing all this undercutting talk, for starters most of you at one point were pee'd off because we were canvassing your areas hard. I get door to door salesman on my door all the time trying to sell me gas/electricity/stolen goods....oh is that just Boston and do I give them the time of day? If my current supplier of gas/electricity is providing a bad service or are charging me too much then yes I am happy to hear what they have to say. If I am happy with my current supplier and what I am paying then I tell them "no thank you".
If you are all providing a good service at a competitive rate then you have nothing to worry about....or bitch about! If you not then you only have yourself to blame.
Why would we, like any other business want to work hard for less? Have we underpriced work at some point?...No doubt! Anyone who says they haven’t are basically talking crap! Basically we all work in different ways and do the day to day tasks differently, if we didn’t then we would not all be on a forum listening to how others do it.
The best thing for this whole thread is for it to disappear into the sunset...like many others have and for us all to get up in the morning go out, earn some dollar and come back on here tomorrow to argue over the next episode.
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Oh and 1026 views over a weekend ain't bad is it lads....we all really need to get a life away from the world of window cleaning!
I wonder what people outside of the industry would think to the topics and banter that goes on in our virtual world.
Glasgow Ice Creams Wars aint got $%!" on us!
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Glad that's all been brushed under the carpet then ;D
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so people say things about your firm and you threaten to sue them. you do it and its "look guys lets just forget it hes only 26" so its one rule for you and another for everybody else
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Oh and 1026 views over a weekend ain't bad is it lads....we all really need to get a life away from the world of window cleaning!
I wonder what people outside of the industry would think to the topics and banter that goes on in our virtual world.
Glasgow Ice Creams Wars aint got $%!" on us!
I don't think you are in any position to advise anyone what to do! Although, it would be convenient for you of-course! ;D
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Oh and 1026 views over a weekend ain't bad is it lads....we all really need to get a life away from the world of window cleaning!
I wonder what people outside of the industry would think to the topics and banter that goes on in our virtual world.
Glasgow Ice Creams Wars aint got $%!" on us!
If you wanted to insult everyone all at once then you could probably not have done it better!
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
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so people say things about your firm and you threaten to sue them. you do it and its "look guys lets just forget it hes only 26" so its one rule for you and another for everybody else
Mark, people can say what they want about Clean Safe it's water off a ducks back like I said!
Fill your boots!
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Clean safe has a unit next to the offices of Impact43 and therefore the reason for the same or similar IP addresses, other than that, they have nothing to share other than the old pint of milk or reel of bog roll.
You should have gone for the excuse I made up it is more plausible
I wouldnt waste your time, i have checked my 'billy bullpoo book of excuses' and i have come up with a excuse :
Someone in the office has let my brother use our wifi in his unit, my brother then met Gordon in ' some ' bar and they went back to the office to compare poles
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
Reread the thread, you are David who is part of the impact partnership
You just post as Clean safe
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This has gone on long enough,.. lock it will you Tosh?
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
When in any of my posts have I stated what and what not I am involved in?
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
Reread the thread, you are David who is part of the impact partnership
You just post as Clean safe
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This has gone on long enough,.. lock it will you Tosh?
Exactly my thoughts
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family.
You are David, yet you post as Clean safe ( who have nothing to do with Impact )
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
How does that mean Impact have anything to do with Clean Safe?
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family.
You are David, yet you post as Clean safe ( who have nothing to do with Impact )
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
How does that mean Impact have anything to do with Clean Safe?
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family.
You are David, yet you post as Clean safe ( who have nothing to do with Impact )
You are part of the Impact Partnership and you post as Clean safe
You do realise you are logged in as clean safe don't you ?
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
How does that mean Impact have anything to do with Clean Safe?
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family.
You are David, yet you post as Clean safe ( who have nothing to do with Impact )
You are part of the Impact Partnership and you post as Clean safe
You do realise you are logged in as clean safe don't you ?
I have not once said I don't work for Impact43 or have no ties to Clean Safe, not really sure what your getting at? I have stated that Impact43 as a business and Andrew Willis do not have anything to do with Clean Safe! What I do or don't do as an individual is irrelevant!
I posted as Cleansafe to make a few things clear about some of the crap talked about on here!
Would it make you feel better if I log on as Impact43?
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??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? this is really wierd. or is it just me ,
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
How does that mean Impact have anything to do with Clean Safe?
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family.
You are David, yet you post as Clean safe ( who have nothing to do with Impact )
You are part of the Impact Partnership and you post as Clean safe
You do realise you are logged in as clean safe don't you ?
I have not once said I don't work for Impact43 or have no ties to Clean Safe, not really sure what your getting at? I have stated that Impact43 as a business and Andrew Willis do not have anything to do with Clean Safe!
You have said that Impact has nothing to do with Clean safe, yet you are posting as clean safe but you work for Impact
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I just ate a banana....it was nice
Korma here. Was nice too.
( ;D )
Ha peri peri crisps for me and because of James my phone screen is now greasy!
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Where did my banana go?
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I just ate a banana....it was nice
Korma here. Was nice too.
( ;D )
hmmm seems like I found it, but have a weird case of memory loss.
Its a banana mystery ,
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
How does that mean Impact have anything to do with Clean Safe?
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family.
You are David, yet you post as Clean safe ( who have nothing to do with Impact )
You are part of the Impact Partnership and you post as Clean safe
You do realise you are logged in as clean safe don't you ?
I have not once said I don't work for Impact43 or have no ties to Clean Safe, not really sure what your getting at? I have stated that Impact43 as a business and Andrew Willis do not have anything to do with Clean Safe!
You have said that Impact has nothing to do with Clean safe, yet you are posting as clean safe but you work for Impact
You seem to be very confused James
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Love a good long mass debate ;D ;D ;D
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Very good - not heard that one before. ;D
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Love a good long mass debate ;D ;D ;D
That reminds me I must get some more Kleenex
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David Willis here, I just want to have my say on this whole thread.
How does that mean Impact have anything to do with Clean Safe?
So Michael Willis is Clean safe
You are David Willis but post as Clean safe
Andrew Willis ( your dad ) says that Impact has no ties to Clean safe
So are you Impact or Clean safe ?
James,
Andrew Willis and impact43 as a business have nothing to do with Clean Safe, can't understand why you don't understand!
IMPACT43 is a (Partnership) including Andrew Willis, Dina Willis, David Willis and other members of the family.
You are David, yet you post as Clean safe ( who have nothing to do with Impact )
You are part of the Impact Partnership and you post as Clean safe
You do realise you are logged in as clean safe don't you ?
I have not once said I don't work for Impact43 or have no ties to Clean Safe, not really sure what your getting at? I have stated that Impact43 as a business and Andrew Willis do not have anything to do with Clean Safe!
You have said that Impact has nothing to do with Clean safe, yet you are posting as clean safe but you work for Impact
You seem to be very confused James
It is not hard to understand is it ?
You have said that Impact has nothing to do with Clean safe, yet you are posting as Clean safe but you work for Impact
You have been caught out, even Dave has seen that, he did delete his reply though ;), he said " it wasnt wise posting as Clean safe, but he love ya "
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This has gone on long enough,.. lock it will you Tosh?
Have to say i totally disagree with you there and you sound a little bit condescending though that doesn`t mean that you are incorrect.
So Nat,why should it be locked?
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im confused. why are the willis guys claiming that impact and clean safe are nothing to do with one and another. when the willis guys share ownership of both , or have i read it wrong ???. does it matter.sorry i dont know the history
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If anyone wants this locking please use the report to mod button.
It was started by Michael and far as I can make out, apart from David who came in late, all other contributors are happy with the discussion, or else they wouldn't keep posting.
Andrew
Only one 'f' in professional.
I will leave it to Tosh to lock if he feels the need
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James
I deleted my reply, because I am now confused and didn't want to summize anything without knowing the facts, doh
But I do love Dave and Andy, both smashing blokes
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cant believe i just read six pages of this drivel...you lot really are all legends
in your own lunch time :D
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I read the whole thing to.
Yawn!
A bad workman blames his tools. Or in this case supplier.
Good job M. Wills has daddy and brother Wills to come to his defence!
Nice. :-)
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Yeh, I think it's ran it's course.
Locked.