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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bobplum on November 08, 2012, 07:40:08 pm
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just had a email offering a full system,hot water type from concept20,deposit £3900 then £58.00 a month to more or less rent there systems over a 3 year period
anyone else had this email offer
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just had a email offering a full system,hot water type from concept20,deposit £3900 then £58.00 a month to more or less rent there systems over a 3 year period
anyone else had this email offer
Think it's deposit of £3900 plus £56 per week + 20% vat.
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just had a email offering a full system,hot water type from concept20,deposit £3900 then £58.00 a month to more or less rent there systems over a 3 year period
anyone else had this email offer
Think it's deposit of £3900 plus £56 per week + 20% vat.
sorry yes thats right
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I've had it. they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system. they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels. I think it sounds a good deal.
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yeah right - them and wonga are all heart !
works out something like 15k
Darran
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I've had it. they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system. they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels. I think it sounds a good deal.
Well you would, Mr. £400 a day Concept 2o man! :-\
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When i read tha e mail 1st, i thought it included a van cos of the cost.
Then read it again!!! :o :o :o :o
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This is aimed at window cleaners with more credit than sense; I'd avoid it.
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This is aimed at window cleaners with more credit than sense; I'd avoid it.
i think in fairness it's aimed at the opposite Tosh! It's aimed at people who arent able to get credit but want a quality hot wash system
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I've had it. they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system. they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels. I think it sounds a good deal.
Well you would, Mr. £400 a day Concept 2o man! :-\
What do you mean? I think it suits people who want to own a top quality system, off a company who offer outstanding support.
if you're happy to build your own system and have the confidence to do that, then this isn't for you. for people like me who want to run a business, and not have to worry about equipment hassles, it's an interesting offer. especially if they can't secure a lease or a loan through normal channels.
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Aimed at someone who can't get credit? Well I suppose if desperate it might do. However, if someone can't get credit, surely they would be trying to get the reliable transport first.
they need both don't they! if they can't afford a van it's a bike and ladder job! :)
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I've had it. they're offering basically to lease equipment out to people, with the option to buy at the end, or continue after 3 years with a new system. they are trying to help people buy their systems as practically everyone is getting turned down when they try to arrange leases through the usual channels. I think it sounds a good deal.
Well you would, Mr. £400 a day Concept 2o man! :-\
and it was £428 yesterday by the way! ;)
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i think it aims at those who cant get credit - which is a lot these days the way the banks are working
but with 3900 quid down - surely you could buy a system for that ?
the ongoing costs are IMO horrific and not justified for the number of days i couldn't work due to cold
weather and lets face it if the weather is that bad you probably couldn't get around safely in a van anyway.
each to their own, but i think that would be such an unnessary drain on a business it could help you going bust
rather than moving you forward
Darran
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i think it aims at those who cant get credit - which is a lot these days the way the banks are working
but with 3900 quid down - surely you could buy a system for that ?
the ongoing costs are IMO horrific and not justified for the number of days i couldn't work due to cold
weather and lets face it if the weather is that bad you probably couldn't get around safely in a van anyway.
each to their own, but i think that would be such an unnessary drain on a business it could help you going bust
rather than moving you forward
Darran
You're right Smudger. It's not a cheap system, and on price you will always get cheaper prices by buying and building yourself. For people like me who don't want to have the hassle of buying and building myself, and all the problems that would bring me... i would rather concentrate on building my business and running it, and pay someone to build me a great reliable system. horses for courses
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You're right Smudger. It's not a cheap system, and on price you will always get cheaper prices by buying and building yourself. For people like me who don't want to have the hassle of buying and building myself, and all the problems that would bring me... i would rather concentrate on building my business and running it, and pay someone to build me a great reliable system. horses for courses
Forgive me for disagreeing with you (I don't think I have before) but you could get a crash-tested 600 litre pure2o system for £3,642 inc VAT fitted. Add good hosereels, hose, and a couple of good poles and you're probably adding another £1,000. So, for a little less than the down payment (~£4,700 inc VAT), you have a professionally made, professionally fitted system. Then you just set about saving £70 a week by not paying Concept. Yes, it's cold rather than hot but so what? I've worked cold, as have most people on here and it's perfectly workable for all but a week or two a year. If you needed to, you could put the £70 a week into a pot and buy a professionally fitted hot system after 40 weeks ready for the next winter.
No DIY, no bodging and save a fortune.
I think it's a terrible deal, to be honest.
Vin
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You're right Smudger. It's not a cheap system, and on price you will always get cheaper prices by buying and building yourself. For people like me who don't want to have the hassle of buying and building myself, and all the problems that would bring me... i would rather concentrate on building my business and running it, and pay someone to build me a great reliable system. horses for courses
Forgive me for disagreeing with you (I don't think I have before) but you could get a crash-tested 600 litre pure2o system for £3,642 inc VAT fitted. Add good hosereels, hose, and a couple of good poles and you're probably adding another £1,000. So, for a little less than the down payment (~£4,700 inc VAT), you have a professionally made, professionally fitted system. Then you just set about saving £70 a week by not paying Concept. Yes, it's cold rather than hot but so what? I've worked cold, as have most people on here and it's perfectly workable for all but a week or two a year. If you needed to, you could put the £70 a week into a pot and buy a professionally fitted hot system after 40 weeks ready for the next winter.
No DIY, no bodging and save a fortune.
I think it's a terrible deal, to be honest.
Vin
Hey Vin,
I guess for people who want to buy a Concept 2O system, for whatever reason they might, this is an interesting offer.
People who are not looking to buy a Concept 2O system, or for that matter another, shall we say 'Prestige' system, will not see this offer and decide to buy one.
It is like cars, some poeple want a mercedes and would say the quality of drive you get, the customer service, the aftercare, the safety etc etc make it a great deal and a great car. others would say you get exactly the same from a 2nd hand ford focus. when it comes to cars... i bought a 3 year old ford focus because it does what i need it to do. when it came to my business i bought concept 2O
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Hey Vin,
I guess for people who want to buy a Concept 2O system, for whatever reason they might, this is an interesting offer.
People who are not looking to buy a Concept 2O system, or for that matter another, shall we say 'Prestige' system, will not see this offer and decide to buy one.
It is like cars, some poeple want a mercedes and would say the quality of drive you get, the customer service, the aftercare, the safety etc etc make it a great deal and a great car. others would say you get exactly the same from a 2nd hand ford focus. when it comes to cars... i bought a 3 year old ford focus because it does what i need it to do. when it came to my business i bought concept 2O
Pure2O is not a second hand ford focus. It's a professionally fitted, crash-tested system built by Ionics. Yes, the tank frame is normal steel rather than Ionics' stainless but I'm sure people would live with that.
I know who you're talking about with the cheaper systems. I'm not comparing Concept 2O with them.
By the way, I'm not a user or supporter of Pure2O - I have a Gardiners system (the one they sold a couple of years ago before spinning it off to Grippamax, also crash tested and fitted)). Gardiners (via Grippamax) prices are similar, just that the Pure2O exact pricing was quicker to find.
If Concept 2O is Mercedes, then so is Gardiners and Pure2O. I think most people would consider them very much to be prestige. And they both sell a 600 litre system with all accessories for around the deposit on the Concept 2O.
Vin
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Hey Vin,
I guess for people who want to buy a Concept 2O system, for whatever reason they might, this is an interesting offer.
People who are not looking to buy a Concept 2O system, or for that matter another, shall we say 'Prestige' system, will not see this offer and decide to buy one.
It is like cars, some poeple want a mercedes and would say the quality of drive you get, the customer service, the aftercare, the safety etc etc make it a great deal and a great car. others would say you get exactly the same from a 2nd hand ford focus. when it comes to cars... i bought a 3 year old ford focus because it does what i need it to do. when it came to my business i bought concept 2O
Pure2O is not a second hand ford focus. It's a professionally fitted, crash-tested system built by Ionics. Yes, the tank frame is normal steel rather than Ionics' stainless but I'm sure people would live with that.
I know who you're talking about with the cheaper systems. I'm not comparing Concept 2O with them.
By the way, I'm not a user or supporter of Pure2O - I have a Gardiners system (the one they sold a couple of years ago before spinning it off to Grippamax, also crash tested and fitted)). Gardiners (via Grippamax) prices are similar, just that the Pure2O exact pricing was quicker to find.
If Concept 2O is Mercedes, then so is Gardiners and Pure2O. I think most people would consider them very much to be prestige. And they both sell a 600 litre system with all accessories for around the deposit on the Concept 2O.
Vin
Good points Vin.
I'm not knowledgeable about Ionics systems or Pure 2O.
Gardiner's are a company who I like to deal with and I hold them in very high regard. Grippa are good from my dealings too, tho they are relatively new on the scene arent they for systems? I don't honestly know about their systems.
As far as I am aware a great deal of the price difference in systems of Concept 2O systems comes from the very high quality steel frame. I know they are obsessive about safety, reliability and durability of their systems. This is because they run a seriously efficient window cleaning business themselves, serving serious numbers of customers everyday. they just can't operate a business on their scale without these standards. maybe for people who don't serve so many customers this system would be over spec?
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As Tosh rightly described, i was once one of those window cleaners with "more credit then sense", and i bought a concept2o system. Worst mistake of my life. I finally got rid of it last month (not to some poor clueless window cleaner like me, but to the hard nosed finance company).
Although majorly out of pocket now, it the best decision i made.
This system does nothing better then any other one out there, its not crash tested, its just very shiny! And for me, unlike Richard Speech, the process wasnt hassle free.
The next time i want a "professional" system i will go to the professionals like Ionics or Freedom and get something not shiny, but safely fitted, and something that works all day.
Obviously everyone can make their own decision, and has their own opinion. Sounds like Richard has had no probs. I would encourage anyone thnking of any system to thouroughly do your homework.
The lesson i have learned is its not any system that earns you money-a Concept2o will not earn you more then a DIY or gardiners or anything.At the end of the day its just 2 tanks a pump and a controller. Its your mindset and as always its down to profit-keeping costs down!
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As Tosh rightly described, i was once one of those window cleaners with "more credit then sense", and i bought a concept2o system. Worst mistake of my life. I finally got rid of it last month (not to some poor clueless window cleaner like me, but to the hard nosed finance company).
Although majorly out of pocket now, it the best decision i made.
This system does nothing better then any other one out there, its not crash tested, its just very shiny! And for me, unlike Richard Speech, the process wasnt hassle free.
The next time i want a "professional" system i will go to the professionals like Ionics or Freedom and get something not shiny, but safely fitted, and something that works all day.
Obviously everyone can make their own decision, and has their own opinion. Sounds like Richard has had no probs. I would encourage anyone thnking of any system to thouroughly do your homework.
The lesson i have learned is its not any system that earns you money-a Concept2o will not earn you more then a DIY or gardiners or anything.At the end of the day its just 2 tanks a pump and a controller. Its your mindset and as always its down to profit-keeping costs down!
Hey Millenium!
What problems did you have? and how did you go about selling a WC system to a finance company? that sounds like a real story?!
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Good points Vin.
I'm not knowledgeable about Ionics systems or Pure 2O.
Gardiner's are a company who I like to deal with and I hold them in very high regard. Grippa are good from my dealings too, tho they are relatively new on the scene arent they for systems? I don't honestly know about their systems.
As far as I am aware a great deal of the price difference in systems of Concept 2O systems comes from the very high quality steel frame. I know they are obsessive about safety, reliability and durability of their systems. This is because they run a seriously efficient window cleaning business themselves, serving serious numbers of customers everyday. they just can't operate a business on their scale without these standards. maybe for people who don't serve so many customers this system would be over spec?
Grippamax is the new version of the Super Zero that Gardiners briefly sold (fortunately for me, during the month I was setting up). It's in a steel frame that isn't going anywhere (witness the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrbvYwVQWZw )
Your final paragraph could have been written about Gardiners.
Vin
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complete waste of money,
nothing wrong with a metal framed tank and a lpg fogwash heater, i have a diy set up in my van which suits me perfectly, it does exactly the same as the concept2o system but costs thousands less,
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I think we're all missing something important...
This "deal" from concept2o - the way I understand it you don't own the system at the end of the 3 years. You hand it back and take out another 3 year agreement.
So basically your paying £12,000 odd to rent a system for 3 years, without a van.
Bargain! (Not)
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How are you millennium wc hope every thing is good in Grimsby .
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As Tosh rightly described, i was once one of those window cleaners with "more credit then sense", and i bought a concept2o system. Worst mistake of my life. I finally got rid of it last month (not to some poor clueless window cleaner like me, but to the hard nosed finance company).
Although majorly out of pocket now, it the best decision i made.
This system does nothing better then any other one out there, its not crash tested, its just very shiny! And for me, unlike Richard Speech, the process wasnt hassle free.
The next time i want a "professional" system i will go to the professionals like Ionics or Freedom and get something not shiny, but safely fitted, and something that works all day.
Obviously everyone can make their own decision, and has their own opinion. Sounds like Richard has had no probs. I would encourage anyone thnking of any system to thouroughly do your homework.
The lesson i have learned is its not any system that earns you money-a Concept2o will not earn you more then a DIY or gardiners or anything.At the end of the day its just 2 tanks a pump and a controller. Its your mindset and as always its down to profit-keeping costs down!
Sorry to hear that Millenium,I was a bit more fortunate than you,I was about to change over from trad to WFP so was a bit of a novice as far as systems go,Concept tried to sell me a hot system that was absolutely no use for a 2 man operation.It was a"demonstrator model"600l 1 man system and they said they can upgrade it to 2 man system no problem, so I paid a deposit of 2K.After doing a bit of research myself and getting advice on the forum it became apparent the 5KW system would be useless for 2 men.I phoned them and they tried to fob me off,saying i could have 1 reel hot and 1 reel cold :o.I demanded my deposit back as I had been mis-sold their demonstrator model.They eventually agreed to return my deposit but only when they found another buyer for the 1 MAN SYSTEM nearly 4 months later.All in all a lucky escape from a company I would not trust!
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I think we're all missing something important...
This "deal" from concept2o - the way I understand it you don't own the system at the end of the 3 years. You hand it back and take out another 3 year agreement.So basically your paying £12,000 odd to rent a system for 3 years, without a van.
Bargain! (Not)
That's right. What they haven't stated is what the next rental is all about. In other words, you are asked for a deposit of £3900 + VAT this time to get your installation started, so I expect they have a fitting charge included in those figures.
I would imagine that the unit would be handed back, but is that used as the deposit (initial payment) against the next unit or will this be a new rental with a new deposit. That will be hidden in the small print.
Renting isn't all bad; its just that some have a problem with not owning what they are perceived to be paying for. But if you buy a car on hp, the car may be registered in your name, but the finance house still owns it until you have made the final payment. Once you have made the final payment, you are now the proud owner of a used depreciated car. Usually at this point the owners find some reason to trade the car in and start the process again on another vehicle. If you do this, then it doesn't make a difference whether you rented or bought.
If you bought and the values of second hand cars fell like it did 12 years ago, then you would carry the risk of the lower value at the end of the term. With a rented car, the finance houses had to suffer that lower value.
Handing the system back isn't as easy as handing a car back. Someone has to remove it, so I'm sure there is a lot more to this agreement than meets the eye.
If Concept is carrying the leasing risk (no credit checks) then they need to have some 'guarantee' that this system is protected. What would be the insurance requirements should the van it's in be involved in an accident? If you change your van 2 years into the rental agreement, who fits this system into your new van and at what cost?
There must be other senarios that could happen that they will never discuss with you as it would probably jeopardise their sale.
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bargain ...... put me down for 2 at those prices ... have 1 spare in case of a problem
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It is interesting to read all the comments on here about the Concept 2O leasing offer.
For all that some people are saying about this, my own experience is that in just over 2 years I've built up a business that runs very smoothly and makes a very healthy profit using Concept 2Os system and their mentoring.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people criticising this offer as too expensive, are some of the same people who literally do not believe the figures that I have posted as having achieved day in day out for the past 12 months.
I do not doubt that you can buy or make systems that are substantially cheaper than the Concept 2O. It is never advertised as a budget system. They are offering a professionally put together system, with full support and backup... as well as in this instance the servicing and running costs included. If you get it as part of the their franchise package then you are paying a lot up front, as with any decent franchise, but you are going to get the business plan and mentoring support you need to set up and run a highly profitable business, with a great lifestyle.
is it for everyone? No of course not. But for those who can afford it, it is a really great option... and this offer makes it much more affordable for many more people.
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I beleive your daily figures .... Ive seen your guys working :o :o ;D
however these lease figures are just for the machine only and not a franchise / mentoring ... unless Im wrong as not sen email.
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It is interesting to read all the comments on here about the Concept 2O leasing offer.
For all that some people are saying about this, my own experience is that in just over 2 years I've built up a business that runs very smoothly and makes a very healthy profit using Concept 2Os system and their mentoring.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people criticising this offer as too expensive, are some of the same people who literally do not believe the figures that I have posted as having achieved day in day out for the past 12 months.
I do not doubt that you can buy or make systems that are substantially cheaper than the Concept 2O. It is never advertised as a budget system. They are offering a professionally put together system, with full support and backup... as well as in this instance the servicing and running costs included. If you get it as part of the their franchise package then you are paying a lot up front, as with any decent franchise, but you are going to get the business plan and mentoring support you need to set up and run a highly profitable business, with a great lifestyle.
is it for everyone? No of course not. But for those who can afford it, it is a really great option... and this offer makes it much more affordable for many more people.
Your justification is embarrassing dude! ;D
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I bought my first concept system 6 years ago and the support from Julie and her team was fantastic. I was never a do it your self man [not that way inclined]. Since then i have bought another of their systems and have been very satisfied with their service. Before window cleaning i used to run cafes the initial investment was considerably more than a new van and system at about 20k. However the returns are very high compared to investment. The future of window cleaning is in dedicated high class service.
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The future of window cleaning is in dedicated high class service.
And what's this got to do with a hugely overpriced system?
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Is it the Hotbox you are all talking about? Unless I am misreading it, there is not a £3,000 deposit. That is the non credit price.
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I beleive your daily figures .... Ive seen your guys working :o :o ;D
however these lease figures are just for the machine only and not a franchise / mentoring ... unless Im wrong as not sen email.
hey ian!
you are quite right, this offer doesn't include the franchise. however, i believe that Julie and the team are hoping that this will help people purchase the franchise. i guess i would need to check though.
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The future of window cleaning is in dedicated high class service.
And what's this got to do with a hugely overpriced system?
I imagine that he is referring to the dedicated high class service that Julie and the Concept 2O team provide. That is one of the main reasons I use them myself. It's not just the system, but the support you get with their systems. I had a problem with the pump on my system just yesterday and Julie was on the phone to me within 20 minutes, and then again this morning to follow up with me and make sure it was all sorted. that's an example of how they operate. you dont get that with a DIY system
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The future of window cleaning is in dedicated high class service.
And what's this got to do with a hugely overpriced system?
I imagine that he is referring to the dedicated high class service that Julie and the Concept 2O team provide. That is one of the main reasons I use them myself. It's not just the system, but the support you get with their systems. I had a problem with the pump on my system just yesterday and Julie was on the phone to me within 20 minutes, and then again this morning to follow up with me and make sure it was all sorted. that's an example of how they operate. you dont get that with a DIY system
no yer right you dont get that with a diy system,i dont have to phone a women up in a office, i can fix it me self. ;D ;D ;D ;D
and a bit more money in me pocket too ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P :P
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I imagine that he is referring to the dedicated high class service that Julie and the Concept 2O team provide. That is one of the main reasons I use them myself. It's not just the system, but the support you get with their systems. I had a problem with the pump on my system just yesterday and Julie was on the phone to me within 20 minutes, and then again this morning to follow up with me and make sure it was all sorted. that's an example of how they operate. you dont get that with a DIY system
Richard,
You are repeating the same mistake. You again commit the error of comparing your system with a DIY system. I wasn't doing so. I was comparing with a professionally fitted, crash-tested, supported pair of products from Pure2O and Gardiners/Grippa. I've never had to phone Gardiners about my system but you know the level of support I would get.
Both of which cost less than the deposit on the Concept2O.
I know you're happy with Concept2O, but can you not see any possible truth in what I might be saying? You seem blind to any possibility that there might be a better offer out there.
Anyway, I've said what I have to say enough times; I'll leave it now.
Vin
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I imagine that he is referring to the dedicated high class service that Julie and the Concept 2O team provide. That is one of the main reasons I use them myself. It's not just the system, but the support you get with their systems. I had a problem with the pump on my system just yesterday and Julie was on the phone to me within 20 minutes, and then again this morning to follow up with me and make sure it was all sorted. that's an example of how they operate. you dont get that with a DIY system
Richard,
You are repeating the same mistake. You again commit the error of comparing your system with a DIY system. I wasn't doing so. I was comparing with a professionally fitted, crash-tested, supported pair of products from Pure2O and Gardiners/Grippa. I've never had to phone Gardiners about my system but you know the level of support I would get.
Both of which cost less than the deposit on the Concept2O.
I know you're happy with Concept2O, but can you not see any possible truth in what I might be saying? You seem blind to any possibility that there might be a better offer out there.
Anyway, I've said what I have to say enough times; I'll leave it now.
Vin
out of interest Vin, are they hot wash systems you're comparing it to?
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The concept 2o systems is basically a quality stainless steel frame with a rannai 16i LPG heater. I picked up one of these heaters for £550, even if you add in the cost of around £2000 for a crash tested frame and tank like the grippatank system and add say £500 for fitting the £12000 price is very expensive.
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)
But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY
Darran
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)
But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY
Darran
hey smudger!
the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again. I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about. Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for. that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem... they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything. its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)
But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY
Darran
hey smudger!
the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again. I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about. Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for. that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem... they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything. its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).
What advice did she give you?
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Better get queuing then as here is the link:
http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php
Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >
Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Better get queuing then as here is the link:
http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php
Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >
Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.
No no Steve. You've got the wrong company. They are talking about a complete system from Concept02 for 15000 on lease over 3 years, not Ionics hotbox. ;D
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Better get queuing then as here is the link:
http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php
Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >
Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.
No no Steve. You've got the wrong company. They are talking about a complete system from Concept02 for 15000 on lease over 3 years, not Ionics hotbox.
Ah... ok. Somebody mentioned it was in an email yesterday & I put two & two together. What do you think of the Ionics system?
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Better get queuing then as here is the link:
http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php
Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >
Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.
No no Steve. You've got the wrong company. They are talking about a complete system from Concept02 for 15000 on lease over 3 years, not Ionics hotbox.
Ah... ok. Somebody mentioned it was in an email yesterday & I put two & two together. What do you think of the Ionics system?
;D ;D ;D I don't know anything about the hot box although the Webasto they use has an excellent track record in the trucking industry and a poor record in the marine leisure industry using red diesel as a fuel. I'm afraid Ionics wants too many personal details to get a catalogue, so if I don't give them the tat, then they don't give me the tit. :D
I bought a used Webasto system about three years ago to instal in my van with a couple of heat exchangers - I still haven't got round to putting everything together in a neat box. It did work on an exploratory run I did 3 years ago with the stuff laid out on the drive way, but thats as far as its got.
I think the problem is that I'm looking for a better solution (not gas).
What I want to do is use a 20 litre calorifier the other way round, that is use the Wabesto to heat the water in the calorifier and pass the pump water through the heat exchanger inside the calorifier to heat the water on it's way to the brush head - but none of the calorifier manufacturers believe the internal heat exchangers (fancy name for some coiled copper tube) will zap the heat quickly enough to work.
The easiest way though is to connect the webasto up to the outlet of the van tank and an inlet at the top and let the Webasto heat all the water. It not efficient and I wouldn't want to raise the water temperature higher than 20 degrees for safety so it isn't the ideal idea either.
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Steve - Spruce has answered for me - you got the wrong end of the stick mate ;D
Richard - nothing wrong with a 1 stop shop - many companies went this way in the engineering trade and
are happy to pay through the nose for the simplicity of dealing with 1 company.
I'd be interested tho in what happens if you need to replace a part - and how far from concept you are if you
need to return to them for parts etc..
Darran
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I think I might go down the Concept route. The thing is there are just so many parts that could go wrong! At least three I would think.
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I think I might go down the Concept route. The thing is there are just so many parts that could go wrong! At least three I would think.
;D ;D ;D I wonder how they would have sorted out your hose reel?
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Same way I did - hurl it up the road!
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Same way I did - hurl it up the road!
;D ;D ;D
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Same way I did - hurl it up the road!
the only problem with that was the hose was tied around your leg knowing you ;D ;D ;D
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Steve - Spruce has answered for me - you got the wrong end of the stick mate ;D
Richard - nothing wrong with a 1 stop shop - many companies went this way in the engineering trade and
are happy to pay through the nose for the simplicity of dealing with 1 company.
I'd be interested tho in what happens if you need to replace a part - and how far from concept you are if you
need to return to them for parts etc..
Darran
Hey Darren,
We had some problems at the start with the hotwash and Concept 2O were happy to send replacement parts if they were straightforward to replace, or were happy to do the work themselves. They are based in Cardiff so the journey for me is OK. However whenever I go down I get a lot of advice and training as Julie and Carl spend time with me discussing any issues I have in the business.
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)
But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY
Darran
hey smudger!
the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again. I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about. Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for. that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem... they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything. its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).
What advice did she give you?
she was saying the expected lifespan for this type of pump is 3 -4 years so that you wouldnt expect any terminal problems at this point. then she discussed what problems and possible solutions I may get in the future as it wears
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)
But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY
Darran
hey smudger!
the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again. I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about. Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for. that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem... they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything. its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).
What advice did she give you?
she was saying the expected lifespan for this type of pump is 3 -4 years so that you wouldnt expect any terminal problems at this point. then she discussed what problems and possible solutions I may get in the future as it wears
Okay, most good pumps will last that long. If it gets noisy, runs slower, gets hot, stops running even when it has power - just replace with a new one. That's not complicated. It truely isn't worth the labour or cost of parts to fix them. A shurflo pump is £75.00 through good, well known suppliers. I bought one as a spare a little while back. One of ours still operating has been in service nearly 8 years.
WFP equipment isn't rocket science - its very simple stuff.
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Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?
erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!
Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)
But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY
Darran
hey smudger!
the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again. I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about. Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for. that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem... they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything. its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).
What advice did she give you?
she was saying the expected lifespan for this type of pump is 3 -4 years so that you wouldnt expect any terminal problems at this point. then she discussed what problems and possible solutions I may get in the future as it wears
Aye,that sounds just like Julie,full of waffle.