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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ben Lugg on November 02, 2012, 02:27:54 pm
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Hi,
Got to install a new pump into my powermax
I believe it's fairly
Straight forward
Any tips or advice .
Cheers
Ben.
Oh it's the 120 psi shurflo
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Should be straightforward.
It's the bigger pumps you can't do yourself.
Like mine.
John
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Make sure all the jubilee clips are tight, thats about it really, oh and when you run it first time with water, where the solution hose goes in press the nipple in with a small screw driver until water comes through. otherwise you will have air lock
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Thanks Mark, good advice as always.
Ben
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Hi Ben
Just done my powermax with a 135 psi pump only thing was to cut down the rubber feet a bit to get the 2 nuts on.
Richard
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Thanks Richard,
It's these sort of tips that make life easier when tackling these sort of jobs if your not that technically minded. Have you had your power max for long? I'm tempted with the Airflex Storm but the power max has served me so well I keep putting it off.
Ben.
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Hi Ben
Had it for a long time now,always find it very easy to get bits for it ie Ebay etc.
Was also going for the Storm but still hanging on with the old Powermax for now.
Waiting for Prochems new machine to come out next year.
Richard
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What new machine is this Richard ?
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Its bigger than the Powerplus & going to be like the 6.6 machines
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On the current new machine , the one fitted with the induction pump , they seem to have switched from lamb Ametek motors to Electro motors , like ashbys and mytee .
http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=5011
hard to tell what vac model as the electros look the same ... better price here
http://www.carpetcleaningmachinerepairs.co.uk/Vacuum_Motors.html
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Cheers John
Looking to update motors as my machine as the 1200 watt motors.
Richard
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It should be the same motor as Mytee uses so it would have close to 150" lift and 115 CFM , compared to 137" and 95 CFM for the lamb Ametek
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Hi John
Is it item number 101 ?
Spoke to Prochem last week and they said i have to use the 1200 watt motors not sure why when most extractors are using 1400/1500 watt motors ???
On the label on the back of machine is says 2860 watts ?
Its an old Powermax with the white twist lock ball float.
Richard
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Hi John
Is it item number 101 ?
Spoke to Prochem last week and they said i have to use the 1200 watt motors not sure why when most extractors are using 1400/1500 watt motors ???
On the label on the back of machine is says 2860 watts ?
Its an old Powermax with the white twist lock ball float.
Richard
Richard , I dont know powermax very well at all , I cant even tell if its series or parallel as the figures on the prochem site are stated for both series and parallel at the same time which is wrong .
Your older powermax is likely a one cord machine ? ... and perhaps not very thick cord at that , so i'd say to meet electrical standards they have to fit the low amp 1200w motors ( probably about 5-6 amps each ) and the pump one same cord .
Many i'm sure , have replaced the 1200w motors with 1400 lamb themselves with no electrical problems ... but what we can do and what the manufacture can legally do might be different .
If the newer machine is using the high powered Electro motors then its likely to be two cord machine ... or at least have 2.5mm cord fitted .
Each of those Electros draw almost eight amps .
Electro have a powerfull two stage which would suit an older one cord machine better ( about 6 amps ) but u would have to import youself .
Might be best to talk to prochem and ask them which machine is using the Electro's ... and how many cords etc
Ashbys are using the Electro on one cord ... but they combine it with a lower amp draw motor .
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Hi John
Yes mines on a one cord machine but its a orange thick cord like the heavy duty extension leads type.
Its a series machine with gaskets on the bottom plate.
I might be able to get the Electro motors from Ashbys as i live near by.
If i get one Electro motor and run it with the other 1200 watt motor will this work ?
I do like the new Enforcer machine it looks a well built.
Richard
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Hi John
Yes mines on a one cord machine but its a orange thick cord like the heavy duty extension leads type.
Its a series machine with gaskets on the bottom plate.
I might be able to get the Electro motors from Ashbys as i live near by.
If i get one Electro motor and run it with the other 1200 watt motor will this work ?
I do like the new Enforcer machine it looks a well built.
Richard
Yes Richard , you could copy Ashbys series setup as a simple upgrade ...
Im sure the weaker motor they use would have similar spec to the 1200w lamb
Would be good to ask ashbys opinion anyway .
This is a similar use of high power motor combined with weak motor ..
Its a quad setup but same principle ... the vertical motors ( high powered two stage electro ) are connected to the waste tank . The horizontal weak three stage is helping the vertical motor , giving more lift .
http://www.google.ie/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=497&tbm=isch&tbnid=I6mnmvw_3A6lAM:&imgrefurl=http://www.steam-brite.com/velocity-technologies-hurricane-electric-carpet-cleaning-truckmount-hybrid-truckmount-p-11694.html&docid=6JKWw6hGhL1TqM&imgurl=http://www.steam-brite.com/equipment/truck%252520mount%252520vacuum%252520motors.JPG&w=784&h=390&ei=V4KWUIylKYOmhAf4nYG4BA&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=3&sig=110258214347336542115&page=1&tbnh=137&tbnw=264&start=0&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:67&tx=282&ty=288
I also like the Enforcer design ...
if they built an external booster using the same two vacs in series that you could plug into the enforcer waste tank in parallel , it would raise portable performance to another level !
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Hi John
That looks a powerful combo... :o
Will give carpet cleaning machine repairs a call tomorrow to make sure i can i fit the 1500 watt High lift motor.
Thanks for the link for them.
Also thank you very much for your help will keep you informed how i get on ;)
Richard
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Hi John
That looks a powerful combo... :o
Will give carpet cleaning machine repairs a call tomorrow to make sure i can i fit the 1500 watt High lift motor.
Thanks for the link for them.
Also thank you very much for your help will keep you informed how i get on ;)
Richard
Just make sure its the one in the pic ... the carpetcleaningmachinerepair guy is selling it on e-bay but its labeled a lamb ametek ....
i say its just an error ... the electros have the white corners on the motor
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-3-STAGE-VACUUM-MOTOR-CARPET-CLEANING-MACHINE-1500W-/140867056634?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20cc54b3fa
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Will do John...
I also seen that on item Ebay
Richard
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On the current new machine , the one fitted with the induction pump , they seem to have switched from lamb Ametek motors to Electro motors , like ashbys and mytee .
http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=5011
hard to tell what vac model as the electros look the same ... better price here
http://www.carpetcleaningmachinerepairs.co.uk/Vacuum_Motors.html
They did briefly.
Back onto Lambs now.
We had one guy change his machine after a year for a Lamb one because he didn't like the rattling sound of the Electros.
It didn't half pull though.
Anyone reading who has a newer machine with Electros you need to get an upgrade for the waste tank elbow as it can suck water straight into the stand pipe.
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On the current new machine , the one fitted with the induction pump , they seem to have switched from lamb Ametek motors to Electro motors , like ashbys and mytee .
http://www.janitorialdirect.co.uk/product/?pid=5011
hard to tell what vac model as the electros look the same ... better price here
http://www.carpetcleaningmachinerepairs.co.uk/Vacuum_Motors.html
They did briefly.
Back onto Lambs now.
We had one guy change his machine after a year for a Lamb one because he didn't like the rattling sound of the Electros.
It didn't half pull though.
Anyone reading who has a newer machine with Electros you need to get an upgrade for the waste tank elbow as it can suck water straight into the stand pipe.
Interesting , rattling a one off ? no sign of noise in Ashbys video , or the Mytee vids ..
Did they revert to the standard Lambs ? a step backwards surely ?
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Thats funny i did have a brand new Prochem Powermax with the 150psi induction pump.
But my customers were complaining of the noise it sounded like a helicopter.
It was diff louder than my older Powermax & yes it did suck very well.
John...
I just emailed Carpet cleaning machine repairs about vac motor.
Richard
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Thats funny i did have a brand new Prochem Powermax with the 150psi induction pump.
But my customer were complaining of the noise it sounded like a helicopter.
It was diff louder than my older Powermax & yes it did suck very well.
John...
I just emailed Carpet cleaning machine repairs about vac motor.
Richard
Dunno , might be a design feature in the powermax exaggerating the noise ...
I don't hear anything unusual in the infamous Ashbys vs Airflex vids ..
They should make some effort to dampen the machine noise also like Alltec and some others do .
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There was absolutely nothing wrong with the machine and the new owner is getting great service from it.
He just felt that it sounded like the vacs were going to go on it.
This was after the first week and like I say it's still going strong now without incident.
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Hi
Prochem even changed my vac motors but it still sounded the same.
So they refunded me
Richard
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Hi John
Spoke to Carpet cleaning machine repairs today.
He said i have to give him the numbers on the vac motors.The reason for this is to find out the watts
if below 1200 watts i might need to upgrade the other vac.
It would work if its over 1200 watts & upgrade the other vac to hi-lift vac.
The Hi-lift vac are Ametek motors not Electro motors.
He said the best way is to take the machine to him to have a play.
Doing a big commercial job tomorrow....I booked Wednesday off so
will have a look at vacs for numbers.
Richard
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Hi John
Spoke to Carpet cleaning machine repairs today.
He said i have to give him the numbers on the vac motors.The reason for this is to find out the watts
if below 1200 watts i might need to upgrade the other vac.
It would work if its over 1200 watts & upgrade the other vac to hi-lift vac.
The Hi-lift vac are Ametek motors not Electro motors.
He said the best way is to take the machine to him to have a play.
Doing a big commercial job tomorrow....I booked Wednesday off so
will have a look at vacs for numbers.
Richard
Now it gets confusing :D
This guy has two motors listed on his e-bay site , one is Lamb Ametek , the other is Electro ( the white motor endings ) if he is not selling the electro why is he using the electro pic ?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-3-STAGE-VACUUM-MOTOR-CARPET-CLEANING-MACHINE-1500W-/140867056634?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item20cc54b3fa
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-Lamb-5-7-Vacuum-Motor-3-Stage-117123-13-1400W-Carpet-Cleaning-Machine-/140865443726?pt=UK_Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item20cc3c178e
also , not sure why he asks if the motor is less than 1200w ... he should know there is no full size extractor with a motor lower than that ... if your motor is a two stage i would change it alright .
The reason for choosing the Electro is because it is a 600+ airwatt tapered fan motor , the 1400w lamb on the other hand has about 450 airwatts .
U could just fit two 1400w Ameteks, many have done that on one cord .
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Cheers John
Not sure he just told me they were Ametek motors ?
I might just go down your route 1400 x 2 vacs
Where would be the best place to get them from.
I did buy parts from Accessory Planet but looks like he`s gone
Thanks for help
Richard
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Cheers John
Not sure he just told me they were Ametek motors ?
I might just go down your route 1400 x 2 vacs
Where would be the best place to get them from.
I did buy parts from Accessory Planet but looks like he`s gone
Thanks for help
Richard
looks gone alright , that machinerepair ebay guys prices look similar .
If it was me i think i'd get two £59 1500w Italian ameteks from Jackson spares ....
seems to be out of them for now on e-bay
Some prefer the American Lamb Ametek ( really Chinese/Mexican :-X )
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John
Just spoke to another local carpet cleaner who also as a Powermax
and he buys 1400 watt motors.
He`s going to text me the suppliers number ;)
Will keep you informed
Richard