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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Andrew Willis on October 28, 2012, 09:17:09 am
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Looking forward this week to putting a new IMPACT training van on the road.
To be used during the delivery of the City and Guilds Level 1 and 2 workshops
The van will have the latest van mounted system from Gardiner/GrippaTank WFP system.
A range of poles and equipment including
Gardiner
Facelift
Streamline
Unger
Ionics
Pure Freedom ((Portable trolley)
Ladder safety (stability) devices
Lots of PPE, products etc
We have two great water fed pole trainers on board, and some discounted training opportunities for those attending their City and Guilds qualification
http://www.training43.com/training-courses/high-level-window-cleaning.php
http://www.training43.com/book-a-course/
Reasons to attend / Recent trade article
http://www.training43.com/training-news/article.php?id=919
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do you think you will lower the age limit for your courses as 19 is stopping my lot attending . why is that the limit
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YAWN
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Looking forward this week to putting a new IMPACT training van on the road.
To be used during the delivery of the City and Guilds Level 1 and 2 workshops
The van will have the latest van mounted system from Gardiner/GrippaTank WFP system.
A range of poles and equipment including
Gardiner
Facelift
Streamline
Unger
Ionics
Pure Freedom ((Portable trolley)
Ladder safety (stability) devices
Lots of PPE, products etc
We have two great water fed pole trainers on board, and some discounted training opportunities for those attending their City and Guilds qualification
http://www.training43.com/training-courses/high-level-window-cleaning.php
http://www.training43.com/book-a-course/
Reasons to attend / Recent trade article
http://www.training43.com/training-news/article.php?id=919
Come on wheres the pictures we can't become impact 43 spotter's if we don't know what to look out for can we ;D ;D
Paul
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You didnt but that van from cleaning pets at home windows ;D
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Looking forward this week to putting a new IMPACT training van on the road.
To be used during the delivery of the City and Guilds Level 1 and 2 workshops
The van will have the latest van mounted system from Gardiner/GrippaTank WFP system.
A range of poles and equipment including
Gardiner
Facelift
Streamline
Unger
Ionics
Pure Freedom ((Portable trolley)
Ladder safety (stability) devices
Lots of PPE, products etc
We have two great water fed pole trainers on board, and some discounted training opportunities for those attending their City and Guilds qualification
http://www.training43.com/training-courses/high-level-window-cleaning.php
http://www.training43.com/book-a-course/
Reasons to attend / Recent trade article
http://www.training43.com/training-news/article.php?id=919
i think this is great people can get a proper comparison of the equipment out there in one place, well done impact
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do you think you will lower the age limit for your courses as 19 is stopping my lot attending . why is that the limit
Probably because the government won't pay for anyone under 19, and its government payments to Impact43 for each person they get that pay for this training.
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Come on its about the safety aspect of the job etc it's not just cleaning windows is it .
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
i will say it again we need a like button ;D
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its not so much about the window cleaning but the safety and awareness aspects
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No comment ;D ;D :D ;D ::)
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No comment ;D ;D :D ;D ::)
;D I'm with you matey
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nvq ?how the f*** can you have a nvq to clean windows, stupid twats
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I think I saw it the other day.
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g134/skamm14/funnyforkristen.jpg)
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nvq ?how the f*** can you have a nvq to clean windows, stupid numptys
Come on, you know the score. The Gov funds companies like impact 43 to train us on different aspects of the job/industry.
They use people like Ian at Windowwashers because of his experience with wfp and they make a profit from us who attend the course.
The Gov can then say they have funded a skilled workforce for a certain % of the working population.
It is stupid really but dam good business.
Art
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Window cleaning is a job for dumb ases pleaee dont build it up as remotely intresting or important because its not.
nvq in window cleaning is a insult to nvqs and totally devalues having nvqs in trades.
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Window cleaning is a job for dumb ases pleaee dont build it up as remotely intresting or important because its not.
nvq in window cleaning is a insult to nvqs and totally devalues having nvqs in trades.
Tbh nvqs in just about anything ain't worth a spit.
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I've got an NVQ lv 3 in mechanical engineering, it helped me get a visa to Oz.
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Window cleaning is a job for dumb ases pleaee dont build it up as remotely intresting or important because its not.
nvq in window cleaning is a insult to nvqs and totally devalues having nvqs in trades.
Tbh nvqs in just about anything ain't worth a spit.
Really?
Whys that then?
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Looking forward this week to putting a new IMPACT training van on the road.
To be used during the delivery of the City and Guilds Level 1 and 2 workshops
The van will have the latest van mounted system from Gardiner/GrippaTank WFP system.
A range of poles and equipment including
Gardiner
Facelift
Streamline
Unger
Ionics
Pure Freedom ((Portable trolley)
Ladder safety (stability) devices
Lots of PPE, products etc
We have two great water fed pole trainers on board, and some discounted training opportunities for those attending their City and Guilds qualification
http://www.training43.com/training-courses/high-level-window-cleaning.php
http://www.training43.com/book-a-course/
Reasons to attend / Recent trade article
http://www.training43.com/training-news/article.php?id=919
Come on wheres the pictures we can't become impact 43 spotter's if we don't know what to look out for can we ;D ;D
Paul
Pictures will be coming soon.
Our van sign writer decided to go on holiday!
:)
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Looking forward this week to putting a new IMPACT training van on the road.
To be used during the delivery of the City and Guilds Level 1 and 2 workshops
The van will have the latest van mounted system from Gardiner/GrippaTank WFP system.
A range of poles and equipment including
Gardiner
Facelift
Streamline
Unger
Ionics
Pure Freedom ((Portable trolley)
Ladder safety (stability) devices
Lots of PPE, products etc
We have two great water fed pole trainers on board, and some discounted training opportunities for those attending their City and Guilds qualification
http://www.training43.com/training-courses/high-level-window-cleaning.php
http://www.training43.com/book-a-course/
Reasons to attend / Recent trade article
http://www.training43.com/training-news/article.php?id=919
Come on wheres the pictures we can't become impact 43 spotter's if we don't know what to look out for can we ;D ;D
Paul
Pictures will be coming soon.
Our van sign writer decided to go on holiday!
:)
Will be nice to see how it's set up Plus it will give the haters another reason to moan about the course and put down the people trying to better themselves :) :)
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Window cleaning is a job for dumb ases pleaee dont build it up as remotely intresting or important because its not.
nvq in window cleaning is a insult to nvqs and totally devalues having nvqs in trades.
Docwindows not all window cleaners are like you my freind, some accept change and are open minded about training and like to be upto date with things.
Nobody is forcing training on anyone here, yet you feel the need to try and spread your hate for it, my guess is you have not been on the course yourself.
One question, do you have an NVQ in something else that didnt work for you, as it sounds like your a little bitter
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I have to say, I find myself agreeing with docwindows. The simple fact is that you don't need an NVQ to clean windows, and the only reason Andy Willis and his crew are offering one is becuase the government pays them for each person they get to do one.
If it weren't for the government payments, they wouldn't offer it, hence the reason they don't offer it to under 19s. I don't think anyone would ever pay for it themselves, because deep down everone realises its pretty pointless and a bit of a joke. Ask anyone outside of the window cleaning industry about it, and they will burst out laughing at the very notion of it.
Now as I get older, I find myself thinking more closely about what my taxes are spent on, and handing out my tax money to a company so that they can deliver a pointless course that nobody would ever pay their own money for, to me at least, is pretty outrageous.
I remember this being talked about on here a while ago, and the figure of £1,300 per person was bandied about. No idea if that's a true (maybe Andy willis can tell us how much he gets from the government per person? Its our money after all) but if it is indeed £1,300 that means for 10 people on his course he gets £13,000.
I can think of a myriad of things that could be better spent on, like not closing libraries, or making police officers redundant. Rather than so company can make fat profits.
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This is the tinniest tinniest thing to get worked up on. When you think about the governments budget, and then how much is being spent on window cleaning nvq's as a percentage, its infinitesimal. I know this is a window cleaning forum but i think you're just moaning for moanings sake
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If it wasnt for the money made from these courses they wouldnt make much out of window cleaning.
Come on 6.50 for inside and outside of a shop and 12 for another im still pmsl at someone asking if id work for so little.
window cleaning courses must be so much fun as itis such a boring job especially being taught by people that probably are useless at cleaning windows.
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Having done the FREE TRAINING course myself i find people on here are a bit confused on what you actually can get out of it.
Firstly the people providing the course have had many years experience in the window cleaning industry so they do know what they are talking about.
The course is not there to teach you how to clean windows in general, its there to provide you with the information regarding to health and safety and the law regarding health and safety and your responsibility to the public while you clean windows. Like it or not the laws on health and safety are there for us all and all this course really does is point them out to you ( as i guarantee many of you like myself will be unaware how much trouble you can get in to if anything was to go wrong and how easy you can be breaking the health and safety laws which are there).
I agree with the fact that a nvq in window cleaning does seem a bit pointless but if anything it will show any perspective clients more on the commercial front that you take your work seriously so can only help.
For me I'm not over bothered about the piece of paper i get at the end i will use it if it will help me get commercial work but what i did come away with was a far greater understanding of my responsibility to the public and other workers plus a proper understanding of the health and safety laws and how to work within them allot more then i did before taking the course which can only help me.
also met Window Washers but dont let that put you off the course ;D
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to be honest unless you go on his course you wont know what its all about.
ive been on it and its quite intresting really and i think you will find andy quite a nice bloke.
regards cliff
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I have to say, I find myself agreeing with docwindows. The simple fact is that you don't need an NVQ to clean windows, and the only reason Andy Willis and his crew are offering one is becuase the government pays them for each person they get to do one.
If it weren't for the government payments, they wouldn't offer it, hence the reason they don't offer it to under 19s. I don't think anyone would ever pay for it themselves, because deep down everone realises its pretty pointless and a bit of a joke. Ask anyone outside of the window cleaning industry about it, and they will burst out laughing at the very notion of it.
Post of the year?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Now as I get older, I find myself thinking more closely about what my taxes are spent on, and handing out my tax money to a company so that they can deliver a pointless course that nobody would ever pay their own money for, to me at least, is pretty outrageous.
I remember this being talked about on here a while ago, and the figure of £1,300 per person was bandied about. No idea if that's a true (maybe Andy willis can tell us how much he gets from the government per person? Its our money after all) but if it is indeed £1,300 that means for 10 people on his course he gets £13,000.
I can think of a myriad of things that could be better spent on, like not closing libraries, or making police officers redundant. Rather than so company can make fat profits.
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If it wasnt for the money made from these courses they wouldnt make much out of window cleaning.
Come on 6.50 for inside and outside of a shop and 12 for another im still pmsl at someone asking if id work for so little.
window cleaning courses must be so much fun as itis such a boring job especially being taught by people that probably are useless at cleaning windows.
i see you didn't answer my question, it shows how very little you know about what your talking about with replies like these, no sure of the ill feeling you are clearly carrring put please don't assume as you probably have it wrong.
Ian
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
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the good thing about these courses is itll show you took Health and safety seriously which you must do if you employ.
unfortunately for me my workers are all under 19 so cannot go on this Impact course, does anybody on ere know of any other courses especially for ladderworkers?
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
must take an extremely skilful canvasser to offer £5 cleans to everyone ;D ;D ;D
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
must take an extremely skilful canvasser to offer £5 cleans to everyone ;D ;D ;D
lol a plank me thinks. ;D
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
must take an extremely skilful canvasser to offer £5 cleans to everyone ;D ;D ;D
Get a grip you berk and grow a sense of humour
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
must take an extremely skilful canvasser to offer £5 cleans to everyone ;D ;D ;D
Get a grip you berk and grow a sense of humour
nice!
Touched a nerve methinks ;D ;D
Dead right franky - plank
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the good thing about these courses is itll show you took Health and safety seriously which you must do if you employ.
unfortunately for me my workers are all under 19 so cannot go on this Impact course, does anybody on ere know of any other courses especially for ladderworkers?
bwca do courses I would recommend you have a look at them
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
must take an extremely skilful canvasser to offer £5 cleans to everyone ;D ;D ;D
Let me know what areas you clean in and I will test out my canvassing skills in them
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
must take an extremely skilful canvasser to offer £5 cleans to everyone ;D ;D ;D
Let me know what areas you clean in and I will test out my canvassing skills in them
Just shown this message to a few local windies.
Have a nice day
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Turf wars! Fight, fight, fight, fight. ::)
Back on topic. Andrew are your courses full funded and are you in or around Swindon any time soon?
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Cant believe the country is in a mess and there funding training to clean a window.
theres lots of videos on youtube if people are unsure how to clean a window.
Doc Windows aka Kevin: I do know who you are. I don't know what your problem is?. If you are looking for an ego boost because you have extremely small genitals, I can tell you I am no plastic surgeon. But what I do have are a very particular set of canvassing skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career undercutting window cleaners like you. Skills that make me a nightmare for window cleaners like you. If you stop bitching about my business now, that'll be the end of it. I will not follow you, I will not pursue your customers and offer to clean them all for £5. But if you don't, I will follow you, I will take all your customers and you will be flipping burgers at Macdonalds.
Thank you and good morning!
must take an extremely skilful canvasser to offer £5 cleans to everyone ;D ;D ;D
Let me know what areas you clean in and I will test out my canvassing skills in them
I would think that following your performance this morning you this morning, your opportunities to "test" your canvassing skills will be diminishing.
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Turf wars! Fight, fight, fight, fight. ::)
Back on topic. Andrew are your courses full funded and are you in or around Swindon any time soon?
As far as I can tell, the only thing we have mildly near you (1 hour 20 minutes away) is Uxbridge.
We are trying to get a course set up down your end though, so I'll keep you updated! :)
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I did the (free) NVQ when it was happening down my way. It was definitely more about H & S. I learned a little from it and it was nice to have it confirmed that my H & S was up to scratch. The bit I did learn from it is unlikely to help much as it's unlikely I will be on those sort of jobs. However, someone very new to window cleaning would probably benefit more in adapting to safer working.
Not knocking it. If it got someone thinking about their working methods and caused them to make a couple of changes to be safer then I reckon it's worthwhile.
That's good. Would you have paid £1,300 for it?
I didn't think so.
So then why did I (ie the taxpayer) have to pay that money for it then?
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Is it possible that the authorities are gearing up towards licensing window cleaning right across the uk and you would need to have an nvq to qualify?
If that's even remotely possible then I'm getting myself on the next available course.
I don't reckon it's too far in the future as the government tries squeezing every penny out of little businesses already.
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I did the (free) NVQ when it was happening down my way. It was definitely more about H & S. I learned a little from it and it was nice to have it confirmed that my H & S was up to scratch. The bit I did learn from it is unlikely to help much as it's unlikely I will be on those sort of jobs. However, someone very new to window cleaning would probably benefit more in adapting to safer working.
Not knocking it. If it got someone thinking about their working methods and caused them to make a couple of changes to be safer then I reckon it's worthwhile.
That's good. Would you have paid £1,300 for it?
I didn't think so.
So then why did I (ie the taxpayer) have to pay that money for it then?
well isn't he a tax payer too, christ you make it sound like you paid the lot
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Reading this one post reminds me straight away why I stopped coming on hear.
From someone in the commercial window cleaning industry training and health & safety is more important than the window cleaning!!!
Emprace and you will go far it has worked for us!!
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Hi Charlie
Have you got Eurosafe yet ?
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I did the (free) NVQ when it was happening down my way. It was definitely more about H & S. I learned a little from it and it was nice to have it confirmed that my H & S was up to scratch. The bit I did learn from it is unlikely to help much as it's unlikely I will be on those sort of jobs. However, someone very new to window cleaning would probably benefit more in adapting to safer working.
Not knocking it. If it got someone thinking about their working methods and caused them to make a couple of changes to be safer then I reckon it's worthwhile.
Hi Paul, thanks for the post, hope you are well, I must say that the course has changed quite a lot since you completed the certification, I would like to think we have made quite a few improvements for the better and what's interesting is the main part of your post and that for someone with your experience its more about refreshing and confirming knowledge, certificating and providing evidence of competency.
It's a shame some of the anti Impact and anti training brigade don't give it a try, at present it's like having a view or critic on a film without even seeing it,
All the best Paul, regards Andy
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Reading this one post reminds me straight away why I stopped coming on hear.
From someone in the commercial window cleaning industry training and health & safety is more important than the window cleaning!!!
Emprace and you will go far it has worked for us!!
Charlie did you get a call from a company in Leeds re some Access hire ?
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Andrew
Ignore the anti brigade, just not worth it
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Andrew
Ignore the anti brigade, just not worth it
they are worth it they just don't understand why ;)
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Society isn't just about the flow of money its about using public spending wisely where its most needed. Is free training for window cleaning wise? I think not. I think most posts aren't anti Impact I'm certainly not. They are having a go which is never a bad thing. What gets me is that if their product is as good as they and those of you have done the training is why don't they just offer it at a decent price I'm sure we'd all do it and they'd free themselves of their government ties. I'm sure getting rid of all the beaurocracy that comes with funding would be a relief and they'd grow their business even more. ;D
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Turf wars! Fight, fight, fight, fight. ::)
Back on topic. Andrew are your courses full funded and are you in or around Swindon any time soon?
As far as I can tell, the only thing we have mildly near you (1 hour 20 minutes away) is Uxbridge.
We are trying to get a course set up down your end though, so I'll keep you updated! :)
swindon bristol bath newport cardiff swansea all along the m4 corridor and yet i can get on a course,and the closest one is uxbridge,come on guys get on the case,bristol needs a course,and fast,
and after i been caught climbing over a building in bath i think i need todo one ;D ;D ;D ;D thats a JOKE
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I'm surprised it can't be offered as an on-line course to be honest. My wife works for a pharmacy and does her homework and exams on-line. Can't imagine window cleaning was any harder.
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I'm surprised it can't be offered as an on-line course to be honest. My wife works for a pharmacy and does her homework and exams on-line. Can't imagine window cleaning was any harder.
I'm sure a tiny percentage of what we do could be done online, but it's the practical work which we pride ourselves on.
Giving window cleaners the opportunity to work with brand new water fed poles and the latest PPE technology.
Can't really give that experience through a screen! :)
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Turf wars! Fight, fight, fight, fight. ::)
Back on topic. Andrew are your courses full funded and are you in or around Swindon any time soon?
As far as I can tell, the only thing we have mildly near you (1 hour 20 minutes away) is Uxbridge.
We are trying to get a course set up down your end though, so I'll keep you updated! :)
swindon bristol bath newport cardiff swansea all along the m4 corridor and yet i can get on a course,and the closest one is uxbridge,come on guys get on the case,bristol needs a course,and fast,
and after i been caught climbing over a building in bath i think i need todo one ;D ;D ;D ;D thats a JOKE
Franky, I am trying to get a course down your neck of the woods!
We are aware that we need something "darn sarth", so just bear with me! :)
Also, in terms of Newport, Cardiff and Swansea, we can't cover Wales! :(
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tom
are you looking for places to hold this training days,something that local lads could help you with?
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tom
are you looking for places to hold this training days,something that local lads could help you with?
It's more of the fact of just simply trying to fit it in.
From NOW until Christmas we have just under 30 dates to do.
These include day 1s, 2s 3s and 4s.
We're just being rushed off our feets.
I'll see what I can do.
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What do you guys think of the van designs?
(http://www.training43.com/images/foraw2.jpg)
(http://www.training43.com/images/foraw1.jpg)
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Alright that mate quite like it
Marko :)
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Alright that mate quite like it
Marko :)
Well I'm not one for tooting my own horn... ;)
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Alright that mate quite like it
Marko :)
Well I'm not one for tooting my own horn... ;)
Only if its long enough :P
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Alright that mate quite like it
Marko :)
Well I'm not one for tooting my own horn... ;)
Who designed it? lol :)
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hello tom and andy, i have been on the course with my lads in maidstone and was wondering if we could further our training or even have a refresher course?
also i am interested if you hold a managers course in tendering for work ?
all advice and training we were given was top class and take no notice of the doubters and let them carry on cleaning their little houses un safely and not being interested when the h and s officer comes knocking when they fall from a ladder or hurt someone else!we found it a real eye opener