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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: md_cleaning on January 30, 2006, 06:08:00 pm

Title: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: md_cleaning on January 30, 2006, 06:08:00 pm
At the moment I use mainly Solutoins but for pubs and restraunts use prochem, altough happy with my results am interested in what people would recomend from Alltec.
Dave
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: cleaning co on January 30, 2006, 06:14:05 pm
i hav a huge tub alltec carpet cleaner in my van which i am slowly getting throw , its crap ,really foams up bad hav to add defoamer all the time grrrr,crystal clean double clean prochem are my favs ,but i wanna try thier new one called "high heat" anyone tryed it ?
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: des on January 30, 2006, 06:15:05 pm
Ultimate master but do not use it to strong .For portable extraction dilute one part to 100
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Post by: CLEANEAST CARPETS on January 30, 2006, 06:31:22 pm
We use citrus pre-spray and ultimate master with anti-foam in the tank.
Gives fantastic results everytime ;)
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: COLIN BRIGHT on January 30, 2006, 06:59:52 pm
Never had a problem with ultamate master

i think it is an excellent product

and my customers agree
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: cleaning co on January 30, 2006, 07:02:11 pm
good for u colin,glad u custys are happy
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Post by: therapist on January 30, 2006, 07:48:01 pm
I'd agree that ultimate master is excellent, but a little pricey

r m
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Ian Gourlay on January 30, 2006, 08:06:52 pm
I use Ultimate Master but we do not want to start another Fan Club.


I find it excellent but from Time to time experience the same problem as Garry.


I thought it had anti foam in it.

Now can the Genuine fans tell me this

According to the tub it is meant to be a Pre Spray aswell.

Like CleanEast I often use Citrus Pre Spray but why?

Where does Promite Pre spray Fit in is it instead of Citrus Pre spray if so its nowhere as good at cleaning the carpet.

Are The Healthy Home Leaflets now available ?
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: CLEANEAST CARPETS on January 30, 2006, 08:18:08 pm
Ian,
We were at Alltec last week, no healthy home leaflets, instead they e-mailed it to us to print out ourselves ???
As regards ultimate master as a pre-spray have tried it only once, and was less than impressed with the results :( >:( :( >:(
We purchased Promite pre-spray but have not used it yet, does it perform poorly then Ian ???

Thanks Adam
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: BRSL on January 30, 2006, 08:23:51 pm
Quote
Are The Healthy Home Leaflets now available ?
  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Hi guys what are the healthy home leaflets please  ???

James
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: CLEANEAST CARPETS on January 30, 2006, 08:36:01 pm
James,
The Healthy Home leaflet is a double sided A4 leaflet folded into 3. It is designed to introduce customers to the home maintenance programme, although We use it just to increase our Promite sales.

Thanks Adam
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: BRSL on January 30, 2006, 08:39:20 pm
Adam

you mentiond that you had it emailed to you, you couldent mail it my way or do they prefere you to buy something first  ;)

James
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: craigp on January 30, 2006, 08:57:10 pm
not many using power burst then, not on wool of course. then ultimate master which i thought only softens the water to allow the water to pass through fibres easier, same as washing powder does.  am i right with that?
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Ian Gourlay on January 30, 2006, 09:11:00 pm
Adam,

Try  Promite Pre Spray it and let me know what you think.

I was not impressed on traffic lanes I think its main purpose is to napon the mites and other creatures.

But then you have got the supper dupper attachment so it might work for you.

Regards


Ian
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: ABLECLEAN on January 30, 2006, 10:46:06 pm
Cleaning Co.

Which powder are you using that foams up? I have been using Ultimate Master for nearly 5 years and I have never had it foam up!! What dilution are you using? Are you using a separate pre-spray?
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: John_Flynn on January 30, 2006, 10:49:24 pm
Could it be that Gary has forgot what he has put in the Ultimate Master Tub???
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Post by: stuart_clark on January 30, 2006, 10:59:33 pm
I have used ultimate master for about ten years and i must say i have never had a problem with it, It has realy good defoaming propeties,I prefer chemspecs formula 70 i will more of this than any other product.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: COLIN BRIGHT on January 30, 2006, 11:06:08 pm
i to have never had foaming using ultimate master

only ever use anti foam if using citrus prespray

i also use solutions, spitfire, one step & other products

i always use the product i think is best for each individual job

i like ALL different products but i wish there was one to tackle ALL CLEANING PROBLEMS
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Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on January 30, 2006, 11:12:17 pm
Colin I'm sure you've got a scrubber?

Shaun
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: cleaning co on January 31, 2006, 03:31:08 am
easy john  lol,  when its empty i fill it with persil!! but its stll got lot in the tub,i use one scoop per fill, perhaps its the high heat that makes it foam bad? but it foams real bad for me, if iam using the auto empty punp the vacs will shut off before the auto kicks in now that lot foaming

 has no one used the new power burst/high heat powder from prochem then ?
gary
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Post by: the red carpet on January 31, 2006, 12:36:54 pm
dont ask me why because im not sure but u/m is not meant to be used at high temp i think its says use at 65degrees max
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: craigp on January 31, 2006, 02:15:18 pm
thats right ive used ultimate at highe temp leaves a clear gel type of scum in your solution tank, but only there. does no harm, can be cleaned off,

power burst i found to be excellent prespray, 3 scoops in 5l sprayer fill with water, (it says it should be pre diluted with warm water) no need.  leave on carpet 5 mins.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: BRSL on January 31, 2006, 08:55:11 pm
Ian

I could be wrong as I dont use the stuff, but isnt Promite a protector not a pre spray

James
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: therapist on January 31, 2006, 09:10:32 pm
Some confusion here and  I hope Robert or Steve respond. Ultimate master is not a prespray, but an excellent hwe cleaner and why anyone thinks Promite is a prespray has me totally bamboozled.

The Saunders brothers are excellent communicators and give clear explanations of their pruducts capabilities, so what on earth happened at the open day ?

r m
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Dean Haywood on January 31, 2006, 09:49:50 pm
There is a promite prespray & a protector. ultimate master should not be used above 65, there is a liqiud ultimate master specifically for tms.

Dean.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Mark Roberts on January 31, 2006, 10:04:45 pm
http://alltec.co.uk/rte/download.php?file=userimages/Ultimate%20Master.doc

Use hand tool or wand to pre-spray ?

Dont use it myself but have done in past. Prefere MS.
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Post by: garyj on January 31, 2006, 11:46:13 pm
I was told by Alltec not to go above 55 degrees, never had a problem with it foaming either, could it be the deodoriser foaming,  I know Prochem Fresh can make the tank and waste a bit foamy if you use to much.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Ian Gourlay on February 01, 2006, 12:07:49 am
Promite


The product I was refering to is called Promite Pre Cleaner


As I understood it you usr it prior to

cleaning the room.


After you have cleaned
 the room

got the carpet reasonably dry


 You then apply Promite  Protector


Re Ultimate Master You Pre Spray it first leave to drell agitate etc and the extract with Ultimate Master in the tank.

However if Carpet is very Dirty use Traffic Lane or Pre Spray Gold

However if I have got it wrong please say so.

 As I do not want to   lead any one astray


Regards


Ian

Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: ABLECLEAN on February 01, 2006, 12:27:11 am
GaryJ

I agree with you, I was told that if you use Ultimate Master above 55 degrees centipede ( ;D) it would neutralise itself!!
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: BRSL on February 01, 2006, 10:03:20 am
sorry there getin worse  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: cleaning co on February 01, 2006, 10:05:04 am
lol aint u got anything better to do ;D
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: BRSL on February 01, 2006, 10:17:49 am
nope not working till this afternoon typical jan/feb so working on design to van  8)

I see your not up to much better lol ;D ;D ;D

James
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Doug Holloway on February 02, 2006, 05:02:19 pm
Hi guys,

Spoke to Alltec re Ultimate Master.

The temperature restriction is due to the  chemical which self neutralises being temperature sensitve , so above 50 centigrade it starts to neutralise in solution.

By 70 degrees solution is neutral and very ineffective.

It does not , contrary to some claims contain enzymes. As some know , I am very careful in my use of enzyme products due to their asthma sensitisation side effects.

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: cleaning co on February 02, 2006, 07:04:41 pm
looks like ive bin cleaning with just steam then for last 6 months lol    just shows u what results u can get without chems as they allways come up treat !!!  u think we being conned on chems? lol
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Dave_Lee on February 02, 2006, 07:39:21 pm
Most people will know that I have always sung praise of Utimate master, and always appreciatted its anti foam property. However the latest tub I got which I am about a third through, has given me quite bad foaming problems. I thought it must be the carpet at first but have now come to the conclusion it is the Ultimate Master. I havent altered the dilution from what Ive always used, I wonder if this new Ultimate Master has had some of the defoamer removed, it certainly doesnt scum up like it used to. I must admit the problem has put me off it somewhat, I think I'll get in touch, just in case it was a bad batch.
Dave.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: homenclean on February 03, 2006, 02:57:40 pm
Speak to Jason, Bob or David at Craftex

Good quality products, Next day delivery and free carriage on orders over £40.00
We clean a lot of pubs and restaurants etc and their gear really works well.

They are based in taunton i think.

john
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: Doug Holloway on February 03, 2006, 03:35:22 pm
Gary,

You will still have been cleaning with a detergent ,  but it will have been neutral and as most dirt is acidic , less effective than the alkali solution it would have been at 50C.

The plus point may be,  that you would have been inadvertently woolsafe ;D

Cheers

Doug
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: the red carpet on February 04, 2006, 06:41:12 pm
roughly what temp is hot tap water?
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: therapist on February 04, 2006, 07:32:14 pm
much too variable, to rely on.   most gas systems are 'on demand ' and it depends on the homeowners individual setting.

r m
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: carpetclean on February 04, 2006, 07:34:49 pm
red carpet an impossible question to answer as all systems are different i suggest you buy a thermometer for a £1 and do a few tests
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Post by: the red carpet on February 04, 2006, 07:44:16 pm
the reason i ask is i use u/m and i usually just fill from the hot tap and clean, i wonder what temp im actually using if it could be to high or not ???

there must be a max temp they can come out though surely to stop people getting burnt.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: craigp on February 04, 2006, 08:08:07 pm
hi red,

 i disagree think you can say to a point,  i like to work with hot water around 70c, most customers are 30 - 50, for me its pretty rare that i feel a custys water does not need further heating, if a custys waters 60 or 70 thats hot enough,

 if you not got temp gauge, i call hot (70) when you would nt like to keep a finger in for more than 2 secs,  30-50 i would call warm you could put your whole hand in that.

very unscientific i know.. :D

craig.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: craigp on February 04, 2006, 08:11:31 pm
to some up the hottest tape water i have ever come across was 70c !

the custy warned me to that it was extremly hot.
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: therapist on February 04, 2006, 11:08:44 pm
You would not  stick your hand in water at 70 degrees

  :o

r m
Title: Re: ALLTEC chemicals
Post by: craigp on February 04, 2006, 11:20:07 pm
read again i never said that!!

it says you could not keep your finger in more than 2 secs at 70.

30-50 you can put your hand in.