Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: md_cleaning on January 30, 2006, 06:08:00 pm
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At the moment I use mainly Solutoins but for pubs and restraunts use prochem, altough happy with my results am interested in what people would recomend from Alltec.
Dave
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i hav a huge tub alltec carpet cleaner in my van which i am slowly getting throw , its crap ,really foams up bad hav to add defoamer all the time grrrr,crystal clean double clean prochem are my favs ,but i wanna try thier new one called "high heat" anyone tryed it ?
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Ultimate master but do not use it to strong .For portable extraction dilute one part to 100
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We use citrus pre-spray and ultimate master with anti-foam in the tank.
Gives fantastic results everytime ;)
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Never had a problem with ultamate master
i think it is an excellent product
and my customers agree
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good for u colin,glad u custys are happy
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I'd agree that ultimate master is excellent, but a little pricey
r m
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I use Ultimate Master but we do not want to start another Fan Club.
I find it excellent but from Time to time experience the same problem as Garry.
I thought it had anti foam in it.
Now can the Genuine fans tell me this
According to the tub it is meant to be a Pre Spray aswell.
Like CleanEast I often use Citrus Pre Spray but why?
Where does Promite Pre spray Fit in is it instead of Citrus Pre spray if so its nowhere as good at cleaning the carpet.
Are The Healthy Home Leaflets now available ?
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Ian,
We were at Alltec last week, no healthy home leaflets, instead they e-mailed it to us to print out ourselves ???
As regards ultimate master as a pre-spray have tried it only once, and was less than impressed with the results :( >:( :( >:(
We purchased Promite pre-spray but have not used it yet, does it perform poorly then Ian ???
Thanks Adam
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Are The Healthy Home Leaflets now available ?
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Hi guys what are the healthy home leaflets please ???
James
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James,
The Healthy Home leaflet is a double sided A4 leaflet folded into 3. It is designed to introduce customers to the home maintenance programme, although We use it just to increase our Promite sales.
Thanks Adam
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Adam
you mentiond that you had it emailed to you, you couldent mail it my way or do they prefere you to buy something first ;)
James
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not many using power burst then, not on wool of course. then ultimate master which i thought only softens the water to allow the water to pass through fibres easier, same as washing powder does. am i right with that?
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Adam,
Try Promite Pre Spray it and let me know what you think.
I was not impressed on traffic lanes I think its main purpose is to napon the mites and other creatures.
But then you have got the supper dupper attachment so it might work for you.
Regards
Ian
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Cleaning Co.
Which powder are you using that foams up? I have been using Ultimate Master for nearly 5 years and I have never had it foam up!! What dilution are you using? Are you using a separate pre-spray?
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Could it be that Gary has forgot what he has put in the Ultimate Master Tub???
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I have used ultimate master for about ten years and i must say i have never had a problem with it, It has realy good defoaming propeties,I prefer chemspecs formula 70 i will more of this than any other product.
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i to have never had foaming using ultimate master
only ever use anti foam if using citrus prespray
i also use solutions, spitfire, one step & other products
i always use the product i think is best for each individual job
i like ALL different products but i wish there was one to tackle ALL CLEANING PROBLEMS
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Colin I'm sure you've got a scrubber?
Shaun
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easy john lol, when its empty i fill it with persil!! but its stll got lot in the tub,i use one scoop per fill, perhaps its the high heat that makes it foam bad? but it foams real bad for me, if iam using the auto empty punp the vacs will shut off before the auto kicks in now that lot foaming
has no one used the new power burst/high heat powder from prochem then ?
gary
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dont ask me why because im not sure but u/m is not meant to be used at high temp i think its says use at 65degrees max
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thats right ive used ultimate at highe temp leaves a clear gel type of scum in your solution tank, but only there. does no harm, can be cleaned off,
power burst i found to be excellent prespray, 3 scoops in 5l sprayer fill with water, (it says it should be pre diluted with warm water) no need. leave on carpet 5 mins.
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Ian
I could be wrong as I dont use the stuff, but isnt Promite a protector not a pre spray
James
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Some confusion here and I hope Robert or Steve respond. Ultimate master is not a prespray, but an excellent hwe cleaner and why anyone thinks Promite is a prespray has me totally bamboozled.
The Saunders brothers are excellent communicators and give clear explanations of their pruducts capabilities, so what on earth happened at the open day ?
r m
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There is a promite prespray & a protector. ultimate master should not be used above 65, there is a liqiud ultimate master specifically for tms.
Dean.
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http://alltec.co.uk/rte/download.php?file=userimages/Ultimate%20Master.doc
Use hand tool or wand to pre-spray ?
Dont use it myself but have done in past. Prefere MS.
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I was told by Alltec not to go above 55 degrees, never had a problem with it foaming either, could it be the deodoriser foaming, I know Prochem Fresh can make the tank and waste a bit foamy if you use to much.
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Promite
The product I was refering to is called Promite Pre Cleaner
As I understood it you usr it prior to
cleaning the room.
After you have cleaned
the room
got the carpet reasonably dry
You then apply Promite Protector
Re Ultimate Master You Pre Spray it first leave to drell agitate etc and the extract with Ultimate Master in the tank.
However if Carpet is very Dirty use Traffic Lane or Pre Spray Gold
However if I have got it wrong please say so.
As I do not want to lead any one astray
Regards
Ian
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GaryJ
I agree with you, I was told that if you use Ultimate Master above 55 degrees centipede ( ;D) it would neutralise itself!!
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sorry there getin worse ;D ;D ;D ;D
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lol aint u got anything better to do ;D
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nope not working till this afternoon typical jan/feb so working on design to van 8)
I see your not up to much better lol ;D ;D ;D
James
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Hi guys,
Spoke to Alltec re Ultimate Master.
The temperature restriction is due to the chemical which self neutralises being temperature sensitve , so above 50 centigrade it starts to neutralise in solution.
By 70 degrees solution is neutral and very ineffective.
It does not , contrary to some claims contain enzymes. As some know , I am very careful in my use of enzyme products due to their asthma sensitisation side effects.
Cheers
Doug
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looks like ive bin cleaning with just steam then for last 6 months lol just shows u what results u can get without chems as they allways come up treat !!! u think we being conned on chems? lol
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Most people will know that I have always sung praise of Utimate master, and always appreciatted its anti foam property. However the latest tub I got which I am about a third through, has given me quite bad foaming problems. I thought it must be the carpet at first but have now come to the conclusion it is the Ultimate Master. I havent altered the dilution from what Ive always used, I wonder if this new Ultimate Master has had some of the defoamer removed, it certainly doesnt scum up like it used to. I must admit the problem has put me off it somewhat, I think I'll get in touch, just in case it was a bad batch.
Dave.
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Speak to Jason, Bob or David at Craftex
Good quality products, Next day delivery and free carriage on orders over £40.00
We clean a lot of pubs and restaurants etc and their gear really works well.
They are based in taunton i think.
john
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Gary,
You will still have been cleaning with a detergent , but it will have been neutral and as most dirt is acidic , less effective than the alkali solution it would have been at 50C.
The plus point may be, that you would have been inadvertently woolsafe ;D
Cheers
Doug
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roughly what temp is hot tap water?
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much too variable, to rely on. most gas systems are 'on demand ' and it depends on the homeowners individual setting.
r m
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red carpet an impossible question to answer as all systems are different i suggest you buy a thermometer for a £1 and do a few tests
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the reason i ask is i use u/m and i usually just fill from the hot tap and clean, i wonder what temp im actually using if it could be to high or not ???
there must be a max temp they can come out though surely to stop people getting burnt.
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hi red,
i disagree think you can say to a point, i like to work with hot water around 70c, most customers are 30 - 50, for me its pretty rare that i feel a custys water does not need further heating, if a custys waters 60 or 70 thats hot enough,
if you not got temp gauge, i call hot (70) when you would nt like to keep a finger in for more than 2 secs, 30-50 i would call warm you could put your whole hand in that.
very unscientific i know.. :D
craig.
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to some up the hottest tape water i have ever come across was 70c !
the custy warned me to that it was extremly hot.
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You would not stick your hand in water at 70 degrees
:o
r m
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read again i never said that!!
it says you could not keep your finger in more than 2 secs at 70.
30-50 you can put your hand in.