Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Burbidge on October 12, 2012, 08:10:15 pm
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http://www.windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk/blog/tds-experiment-join-in-with-the-experiment-and-try-bust-this-myth/
We are looking for feed back on this experiment. Something you can try at home for yourself.....
By the way, anyone watched that film I made on using rainwater from a pink kiddies pool, straight into a trolley system ( No RO, no DI ) .... well, I cleaned an entire house with it yesterday. It was a new customer, a first clean, so really rank.... came up perfect and this water was just sitting around in my garden. Cool hey :)
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http://www.windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk/blog/tds-experiment-join-in-with-the-experiment-and-try-bust-this-myth/
We are looking for feed back on this experiment. Something you can try at home for yourself.....
By the way, anyone watched that film I made on using rainwater from a pink kiddies pool, straight into a trolley system ( No RO, no DI ) .... well, I cleaned an entire house with it yesterday. It was a new customer, a first clean, so really rank.... came up perfect and this water was just sitting around in my garden. Cool hey :)
Yes i did read it Lee, very interesting topic.
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my resin is dead so my water is at 20ppm at moment, cash flow problem at moment so havent replaced resin, been using it like that all week with beautiful results
wondering if i should waste my money on resin now.
steve
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Mr Burbidge , surely you will upset some suppliers with this thread ????
Rich
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this is hardly news is it :)
loads having been using water that isnt 000pmm for ages
i prefer zero ifind the dirts moves quicker but i will use anything up to 15ppm
ive used 43ppm when waiting for resin and been able to see minor spotting i generally
squeegee off the water on downstairs windows when used tds this high to reduce impact
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this is hardly news is it :)
loads having been using water that isnt 000pmm for ages
i prefer zero ifind the dirts moves quicker but i will use anything up to 15ppm
ive used 43ppm when waiting for resin and been able to see minor spotting i generally
squeegee off the water on downstairs windows when used tds this high to reduce impact
where is the sigh smiley, yes gary old news again from lee, it is common sense
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this is hardly news is it :)
loads having been using water that isnt 000pmm for ages
i prefer zero ifind the dirts moves quicker but i will use anything up to 15ppm
ive used 43ppm when waiting for resin and been able to see minor spotting i generally
squeegee off the water on downstairs windows when used tds this high to reduce impact
where is the sigh smiley, yes gary old news again from lee, it is common sense
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stu the king of common sense...i like it! :)
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I've used water with a tds of up to about 25 - 30 with no problems. It makes me wonder why I change the resin when it gets above about 10. Maybe I fall for the hype that it has to be zero.
Also, Lee's paddling pool. Apart from I don't believe it had a tds of 0001 because to get 6" of rain water takes months and months and months, the amount of debris built up in that time would have contaminated the water as it rots and forget the actions of sunlight and green algae, etc etc, what about all the dirt and that in the water?
The purer the water, the more it will absorb contaminates because that's the nature of pure water. I tested my sisters water butt in her garden which gets used regularly and has a lid on it. TDS was 086 yet a paddling pool was 001.
I could be completely wrong though about the paddling pool but I don't think I am.
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the guy above a miserable git ...but yet a wise old owl :)
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I wonder if it depends on exactly what you have dissolved in your water. Limescale could be far worse than muddy water of the same reading - I don't know.
I've often wondered if a squirt of detergent or a cleaning agent would make any difference to the clean as water only does little to remove stains on white plastic.
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I've used water with a tds of up to about 25 - 30 with no problems. It makes me wonder why I change the resin when it gets above about 10. Maybe I fall for the hype that it has to be zero.
Also, Lee's paddling pool. Apart from I don't believe it had a tds of 0001 because to get 6" of rain water takes months and months and months, the amount of debris built up in that time would have contaminated the water as it rots and forget the actions of sunlight and green algae, etc etc, what about all the dirt and that in the water?
The purer the water, the more it will absorb contaminates because that's the nature of pure water. I tested my sisters water butt in her garden which gets used regularly and has a lid on it. TDS was 086 yet a paddling pool was 001.
I could be completely wrong though about the paddling pool but I don't think I am.
How does it take months and months to get 6" of water try convincing people who have been flooded after it has rained for one day . Mike
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why take the risk?i keep mine at 000 most of the time.i let it get up to 010 then change my resin.
ive heard of numptys just plugging into customers outside taps and making a right mess of their windows!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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why take the risk?i keep mine at 000 most of the time.i let it get up to 010 then change my resin.
ive heard of numptys just plugging into customers outside taps and making a right mess of their windows!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
WFP around here has a really bad reputation in some areas loads don't want it because of exactly this!
Blokes who can't afford / won't pay for pure water plugging the hose directly onto the outside tap.
However there are some who are either blind or don't really look have offered us the option to use the outside tap!
G.
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if your using water at say 020ppm think about it logiclly , how can it leave marks at just 20 particals in 100,000,000 the naked eye couldn`t possibly see anything
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How does it take months and months to get 6" of water try convincing people who have been flooded after it has rained for one day . Mike
Flood water comes from elsewhere. Lee is talking about the amount of rain that fell in one place - his kiddies paddling pool.
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my tap water is 36 & i clean my house with it like that ,couple of times there's been spotting but usually its bang on, its tempting not to use resin at all but i do & change around 12
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if your using water at say 020ppm think about it logiclly , how can it leave marks at just 20 particals in 100,000,000 the naked eye couldn`t possibly see anything
First off, it's parts per million, not per hundred million. So, 20 in 1,000,000. In which case, how could my tap water, which is only 280 parts in 1,000,000 (or 1 part in 3,571) possibly leave a mark?
Just saying the number is small (which is what you're doing) is not "thinking logically", it's just guesswork.
Vin
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Floodwater comes from a source which starts with watet from the sky 2 wks ago were I live we had 10 Inces of rain in less than 24 hours . ;D . Mike
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my resin is dead so my water is at 20ppm at moment, cash flow problem at moment so havent replaced resin, been using it like that all week with beautiful results
wondering if i should waste my money on resin now.
steve
Perfect example ; you see... if you try the test you can work out the optimum TDS for your area that gives you a spot free finish or a commercial accepted finish. You might find that in your arear you are overdoing it with the resin thus costing you money. It would be quite literally money down the drain...
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Mr Burbidge , surely you will upset some suppliers with this thread ????
Rich
Hey Richard " ... I kid you not! A pink window cleaning van!!", how you doing buddy??? This thread is no different to any money saving thread, why pay more than you have to. You wouldn't like me to sit on information and ideas of how to save money would you? ;D
I am no different and no better than any of you guys, same with Perry in myth busters... And I know you guys like sharing your money saving ideas too ;D
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this is hardly news is it :)
loads having been using water that isnt 000pmm for ages
i prefer zero ifind the dirts moves quicker but i will use anything up to 15ppm
ive used 43ppm when waiting for resin and been able to see minor spotting i generally
squeegee off the water on downstairs windows when used tds this high to reduce impact
where is the sigh smiley, yes gary old news again from lee, it is common sense
Its not actually news, its a proof test.... you done it? You know about it? Thats cool. Some will be trying this now and hopefully saving money. I get warm and fuzzy inside bought that :) lol
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I've used water with a tds of up to about 25 - 30 with no problems. It makes me wonder why I change the resin when it gets above about 10. Maybe I fall for the hype that it has to be zero.
Also, Lee's paddling pool. Apart from I don't believe it had a tds of 0001 because to get 6" of rain water takes months and months and months, the amount of debris built up in that time would have contaminated the water as it rots and forget the actions of sunlight and green algae, etc etc, what about all the dirt and that in the water?
The purer the water, the more it will absorb contaminates because that's the nature of pure water. I tested my sisters water butt in her garden which gets used regularly and has a lid on it. TDS was 086 yet a paddling pool was 001.
I could be completely wrong though about the paddling pool but I don't think I am.
You are completely wrong , would you like to see the camera that ran consistently? . The water WAS 0001. I cant change that to fit to your perception, I am sorry :(
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I've used water with a tds of up to about 25 - 30 with no problems. It makes me wonder why I change the resin when it gets above about 10. Maybe I fall for the hype that it has to be zero.
Also, Lee's paddling pool. Apart from I don't believe it had a tds of 0001 because to get 6" of rain water takes months and months and months, the amount of debris built up in that time would have contaminated the water as it rots and forget the actions of sunlight and green algae, etc etc, what about all the dirt and that in the water?
The purer the water, the more it will absorb contaminates because that's the nature of pure water. I tested my sisters water butt in her garden which gets used regularly and has a lid on it. TDS was 086 yet a paddling pool was 001.
I could be completely wrong though about the paddling pool but I don't think I am.
Just re- read the post... forgot to mention we had a lot of rain too :)
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You are completely wrong , would you like to see the camera that ran consistently? . The water WAS 0001. I cant change that to fit to your perception, I am sorry :(
I'll take your word for it and sorry, I didn't mean to sound insulting. I did also write I could be completely wrong.
As per the tittle, it's an experiment so I'll be collecting rainwater next time it rains which I'm sure will be very soon.
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You are completely wrong , would you like to see the camera that ran consistently? . The water WAS 0001. I cant change that to fit to your perception, I am sorry :(
I'll take your word for it and sorry, I didn't mean to sound insulting. I did also write I could be completely wrong.
As per the tittle, it's an experiment so I'll be collecting rainwater next time it rains which I'm sure will be very soon.
No problem buddy... but it made me doubt myself so I just went into the garden again and filmed the whole thing in continuos footage again. I got 001 again but this time I did a second test but with swirling the water around to get any sediment ( which was not a lot) moving. I expected it to be higher. I was amazed - it was still 001. Then I went to my garden tap and tested the water here. That came out at 258.....
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I've used water up to 35ppm before for a few months in a row, and I can't put my finger on it, but it does leave behind spots on certain windows.
I think 000 water dissolves impurities quicker. What I found is that when I used water between 10 and 35ppm, I couldn't be as fast then when using 000.
Windows were the water sheeted down were no problem, but partially hydrophobic windows did dry up spotty, same with leaded lights. Unless I slowed down with the final rinse. It was a real mixed bag. This really became much worse when using hot water instead of cold.
So I bought a bag of resin and all was fine again. I like to work at light speed and I don't want to slow down or worry that it will spot.
When I used higher TDS I was convinced that RO water was just fine, but I gradually changed my mind over the few months that I didn't change my resin. I'm sure there is a scientific explanation for it. Made me wonder, if 0 ppm is faster, then is 0 ppb (marginally) faster is dissolving solids as well?
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I'll say it again, but if you're using DI resin at all, then you should be using two vessels to save on resin.
Once you ARE using two vessels, then you will not save a single penny by letting the TDS increase even to 002 before replacing and switching over the pots.
Vin
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Yep two vessels is the way to go.