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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: md_cleaning on October 06, 2012, 01:20:06 pm
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How much do you pay for websight hosting and do you get your moneys worth? I pay £150 per month for it to be hosted and topISH of search engines I also paid £250 for it to be desighned if you want a look it's www.harrogatecarpetcleaning.co.uk , thoughts please am I paying to much?
I was told it would bring in loads of work but some months has only just paid for itself, I know it needs more and better pics but will that make all the difference??
HELP ???
Dave
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This is the capture of your site using windows 7 and firefox..
think you need to have a word with your bloke wot does it;.......
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1349526248_Capture.JPG)
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£150 a month for hosting?
I pay £150 a year.
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It's not on the 1st page of google, apart from your places page which you can do yourself.
My hosting is £55 a year. What are they doing for £150 a month?
Your website is not the best I've seen :-\
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We pay £40 a year for our main site so £150 a month seems a bit of a rip off :o
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£150 a month. far too much and as mike says what's he doing for it . your site only comes up on page 2 . there's a guy on the isle of wight will host a 300mgb site for £3 quid a month so even if u need more space it wont cost that much . or else save the money and get a pro to optimise it
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Hi Dave
As the guys have said you are paying massively over the odds for monthly hosting.
It is not as if he is doing anything clever to rank your site.
Kick him into touch!
Cheers
Doug
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does the company own your website and domain name?
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Your right get a hold of the domain name and start again.
As Mike says its not the best site front end or back end.
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Hi Dave
I see the same as Hector shows
Seems a lot of money :o mate...our website is a 1&1 website costs us 9.99 a month
Richard & Tara
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http://barnsleycarpetandupholsterycleaners.co.uk/
basic but £36 for 2 years more than paid for its self
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Dave,
The £ 150 figure is irrelevant as it depends on your market. In a competitive market and with your web company is doing promotion for you, it could be quite cheap. HOWEVER....
In your case you are paying about £ 140 too much per month.
The on site optimisation is poor to non existent. You have text that is bordering on hidden (it may even be seen as hidden by a search engine). This is against Google guidelines and in this day and age is stupid. That's not your fault but it does say a lot about that company's level of competence.
Offsite promotion is non existent apart from some links from a doctors' surgery (weird).
Your site is not even on the first page of Google for a relatively uncompetitive term.
I would be interested to see what they are actually billing you £ 150 per month for. As far as I can see, it is nothing.
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I can not believe this, it's almost rogue traders territory, i wish i could afford to waste £150.00 per month!
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£150 a month for hosting?
I pay £150 a year.
I pay little more than £15 a year. http://www.hostgator.com/
Ive been designing and running websites since I could write almost and have run some very high traffic sites through hostgator with no problem.
They are top notch.
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I agree the price you are paying is way above normal....... Most hosting is £50-70 per year, or a fiver to £7 a month!!
I currently use a web site builder program and i can change my website, pictures, keywords and content daily to keep it fresh in the search results........ Content is king and keywords need to be tweeked and added to your site to give your website a natural organic search result. Also Link building is must!!
I have tried many hosting companies from £10 per year - £150 per year. Each time i come back to this one company called BLuevoda. They offer unlimited space, traffic, emails, databases etc which all helps.
Our website currently ranks 1st-3rd in many search terms around Norwich, Norfolk and simply we can not handle the amount of work we get.
I will gladly look after and host your website for 2/3 less than you are currently paying at the moment.
Just £50 per month.
Check out my website and note the tabs. I have keywords entered within that tab and this appears as the page title within Google search results............
A handy tip for anyone with control of there own website!!!
Right click on anyone`s webpage >>> Then Select "View Source" and have a look at what your competition are using for "Keywords", "Meta description" And Page titles.
It make me laugh when i see some CIU members wasting money of leaflets, yell adverts and the like and i pay £6 per month and have more work than i know what to do with!!
Spend time on your website and it will pay off!!
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hi clairuk . what would i get for my fifty quid a month exactly . especially with regards to google rankings etc
cheers
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Your domain, and therefore I assume your hosting, is currently with Heart Internet Ltd (http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/web-hosting/ (http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/web-hosting/))
You'd be saving a lot of money per year if you went to them directly.
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I have tried many hosting companies from £10 per year - £150 per year. Each time i come back to this one company called BLuevoda. They offer unlimited space, traffic, emails, databases etc which all helps.
Blue Voda has a decent drag and drop editor but overall it's a pain in the rear end.
Blue Voda uses it's own coding system. You can only use it via the Blue Voda editing software (free) and only on sites hosted with Blue Voda.
It uses it's unique code then converts it into html as it publishes the page. If you try to move the site to any other hosting other than BV, it will not publish (unless you cut and paste the source code).
If you add anything that is non standard to the Blue Voda editor, it is lost the next time you publish that page. The only way to add other stuff is to go into the server and add things directly.
A friend of mine uses BV and then expects me to sort out the problems. I hate the thing and I'm I am running out of excuses.
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Hostgator are good for buying domains, but host them on Godadday if your not bothered about UK servers.
Off course all those exact name domains on the shelf are worthless since recent Panda changes. :(
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Wynne, what's the big fuss about panda and penguin...just getting confused with all those changes Google make. Someone said to me recently that i have to be very careful with link building because of google penguin....?
Cheers
Emil
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I have just noticed that there is competition in your area using basically the same domain name (website address) as you!!
harrogatecarpetcleaning (your site, page 2)
carpetcleaningharrogate (your competitions, top of page 1)
Both of the web addresses above are using the .co.uk extensions
That is one problem sharing a domain that effectively uses the potential customers search term for your service.
Your domain name is good, however i suspect people more search for "carpet cleaning harrogate" rather than the alternative??!! Hence ranking lower in google search rankings.
For £40/£50 per month (depending how you pay for hosting) I can help you create/build and extend your website as we go along and by sharing the same Bluevoda program i can help you design (if you wish) and give you complete control over your billing.
You could have access to bluevoda community and forums etc... So loads of help. Or just phone me if you don`t want the hassle :)
I can help with creating relevant page titles and website pages.
For instance if you click on "cleaning services" tab on your website, the next page address displays as:
harrogatecarpetcleaning.co.uk/index.php?page=2
Ideally it should read:
harrogatecarpetcleaning.co.uk/cleaning-services.php or .html
The above web address is far more search engine friendly and user friendly, therefore placed higher in ranks.
Again take a look at your competitions website.
They have a hyperlink for their main service "carpet cleaning harrogate" that links to a page about carpet cleaning in Harrogate......."great by Googles standard)!!
Take a look at the competitions webpage address as well....
It is more tidy in "search terms" ?id=carpet-cleaning-harrogate
And compared to yours /index.php?page=2
The above is just a sample of what i can offer, not including the image issues, lack of hyperlinks, poor keywords and content etc that i will also correct.
I can not promise the earth and hit 1st on Google in a week or ever, but im sure i can get you higher than present, change the current issues, which i hope others can back up??!! Not forgetting, far cheaper than you are paying!!
I hope the above is not to much to take in :D
Steve,
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1349806075_Penguin_Update_Effects_April_2012.jpg)
Emil, I'll let Wynne explain as he's better than me. Here is the sort of effect it had back in April (28th?). This was a top 10 site in the USA, The main keyword got 12,000 EXACT searches every month. I think the graphics speak for themselves
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Getting a bit worried ,who r you using ,I too have just recently started to pay that kind of monie, from company called site wizard ,whom have a good name ,and look after my site ,they said I will be on first page not right away but may take couple of months , using them to do mainly my carpet side as my blind cleaning side of the business is on first page , open to criticism, :P web is candwcleaningservices.com. I think , the reason I use them is I don't know the first thing about web pages or how to get to no 1 page ,this is why i got them to do it for me , don't have the time , stopped doing yell and saved over 100 quid a mth ,after paying for them to look after web ,gulp
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Google has been chipping away at any method to 'artificially' boost rankings for years. However it's only been in the last year that it has been successful. :D
For most people who have a bog standard website and done nothing but make it look pretty, ironically you may even see an improvement in rankings as others slip down.
The 20th Panda incremental update included a huge drop in brownie points for keyword matched domain names. This is an issue if it was the only thing going for the site, but will affect a lot on here I'm sure.
What is the answer? Well it will be unpalatable for some and actually a blessing for others. Instead of using 'tricks' to get links and technical wizardry, you need to start putting in time on your site presenting yourself as someone google should start to take notice of.
This means being a consistent producer of content in your particular niche - and if that sound too difficult, what do you think you do on here on a regular basis (lurkers aside).
And of course what you say can be opinions and self proclamations as well as useful relevent information. It's a bit of a bvgger but it's the only way to future proof your investment in serps.
In the rug market for instance who do you think of? Lisa Wagner? Dusty Roberts? and do you think google likes them too?
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Anyone get whacked by the latest page layout update?
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I wonder if they keep moving the goalposts to increase adwords revenue?
What they are saying is that if you have to scroll down the page to find links to info then you can loose ranking ::) What about the nav bar at the top then?
Does that mean the top of the page should be crammed with links?
And what if you have a footer with additional info?.......this one certainly seems like a hurdle to drive adwords revenue to me
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The good news is someone stating from scratch TODAY has a chance of beating an aged SEOed site that was entrenched in position 1, because the SEO sites have basically had their card marked by google and will become lead balloons in the serps over time.
On a side note:
Why would someone be selling a site they have clung on to for years and suddenly want to sell it now? Do your due diligence before parting with cash.
Have you ever had a car that passed it's MOT but your mechanic said sell it fast?
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What are you making refernace too wynne? You should really know the full story and facts before talking out of your arse as per usual.
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What are you making refernace too wynne? You should really know the full story and facts before talking out of your arse as per usual.
I'm talking generally about buying websites. Now is not a good time generally. SEOed sites are essentially 'infected' and I think a lot of people are offloading sites they know will go nowhere but down and they are staring again.
I'm sure you are only selling it because you have not been paid but that is not my concern.
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I dont need the site because I am based in Edinburgh, the site is for bournemouth, Jason doesn't need the site anymore as he's now based in Yorkshire (i think).
He's obviously had a brain wave and thought there's a way to make a quick buck at my expense!
The site has been dropping before penguin because of no work to the site and backlinks getting deindexed.
The site itself is healthy, no messages in webmaster tools or red flags. The site is still fully indexed.
Tony
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I dont need the site because I am based in Edinburgh, the site is for bournemouth, Jason doesn't need the site anymore as he's now based in Yorkshire (i think).
He's obviously had a brain wave and thought there's a way to make a quick buck at my expense!
The site has been dropping before penguin because of no work to the site and backlinks getting deindexed.
The site itself is healthy, no messages in webmaster tools or red flags. The site is still fully indexed.
Tony
I have been posting similar comments for some time now, even in this thread, way before you put up a site for sale. I was not singling out your site, but I am saying buying a site that has any SEO that has been manufactured and lets face it how many won't have, then people would be better off starting from scratch with a new strategy.
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What they are saying is that if you have to scroll down the page to find links to info then you can loose ranking :Smiley What about the nav bar at the top then?
Does that mean the top of the page should be crammed with links?
And what if you have a footer with additional info?.......this one certainly seems like a hurdle to drive adwords revenue to me
Other sites that suffered previously are either unaffected or moved up. It looks like the image based navigation is being treated as ads.
Google wants to increase the user experience by not having them scroll down. The irony is that customers comment on how easy it is to use because of the layout!
Talking of SEO, there is a site that is rising quite nicely in the Brum rankings, that I have been checking over weeks. By nicely I mean slowly but surely. It has a large supporting structure of properties that are all based on one, really poorly spun, nonsensical article. It's poor spamming but it's working beautifully.
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What they are saying is that if you have to scroll down the page to find links to info then you can loose ranking :Smiley What about the nav bar at the top then?
Does that mean the top of the page should be crammed with links?
And what if you have a footer with additional info?.......this one certainly seems like a hurdle to drive adwords revenue to me
Talking of SEO, there is a site that is rising quite nicely in the Brum rankings, that I have been checking over weeks. By nicely I mean slowly but surely. It has a large supporting structure of properties that are all based on one, really poorly spun, nonsensical article. It's poor spamming but it's working beautifully.
I wouldn't worry too much Garry. The writing is on the wall even for private content clusters. It's a bit like retrospective dope testing, their technology will eventually out them and they are getting better at it faster than those with the new game in town.
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I wonder if they keep moving the goalposts to increase adwords revenue?
What they are saying is that if you have to scroll down the page to find links to info then you can loose ranking ::) What about the nav bar at the top then?
Does that mean the top of the page should be crammed with links?
And what if you have a footer with additional info?.......this one certainly seems like a hurdle to drive adwords revenue to me
http://searchengineland.com/google-page-layout-algorithm-update-135847
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Garry22 my main site has fell off the edge of the world sheffieldcleaning.com as of last week.
Shaun
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I dont need the site because I am based in Edinburgh, the site is for bournemouth, Jason doesn't need the site anymore as he's now based in Yorkshire (i think).
He's obviously had a brain wave and thought there's a way to make a quick buck at my expense!
The site has been dropping before penguin because of no work to the site and backlinks getting deindexed.
The site itself is healthy, no messages in webmaster tools or red flags. The site is still fully indexed.
Tony
I have been posting similar comments for some time now, even in this thread, way before you put up a site for sale. I was not singling out your site, but I am saying buying a site that has any SEO that has been manufactured and lets face it how many won't have, then people would be better off starting from scratch with a new strategy.
Ok, sorry that I jumped down your neck. Was a stressful day and lost the head.
On another note, there are still ways too manipulate the serp results. Not as easy and straight forward as it once was, things have changed alot but now takes more work.
While there are search engines there will always be was too manipulate, weather it be updated fresh content, diverse backlinks, social presance, online reputation marketing etc these are all forms of manipulating the search results long term.
p.s. I have always hated exact match domain names!! they are so ugly and spammy looking, glad google killed them.
Tony
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Wynne is right and knows more than me but I think also having mutliple websites is now a bad strategy, google knows by telephone numbers, address, adwords (if you have an account and you use those websites) ect.
links worked great for years, now there are a liability. did away with mine. I reccomend you go on your site and delete the links page if you have one.
I dont think all keyword domains have been hit, but some.
Shaun, I would guess google have noticed you have several website for the same service, or it could be the domain, or it could be links?
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links worked great for years,
Still do.. but not reciprocal links (swapping) or three way links which were pretty much disregarded two / three years ago.
As far as I know, the latest update was a page layout one (hammering sites with ads "above the fold". My site dropped three pages following Penguin 1 but has fallen ten pages (similar to Shaun's) after this latest one. The site does have loads of images before text on the page.
I'll adopt the safe SEO strategy... do nothing for a while.
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Interesting...
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-new-tool-to-disavow-links.html
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Interesting...
http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-new-tool-to-disavow-links.html
I think someone in Google is running a sweepstake on how many people fall for this.
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I think someone in Google is running a sweepstake on how many people fall for this.
;D
They caught plenty with their "tells us which ones you think are causing the problem" approach.
Best give it wide berth?
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Yes I think so Garry.
It's a bit like when the teacher says someone's nicked the overhead projector, we know who it is but want to give you a chance to own up. They never got it back btw ;D