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Title: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 12:46:27 pm
The pump on my powerflight went today when i turn it on all you hear is a slight humming noise anybody any ideas cheers Darren.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: markpowell on October 03, 2012, 02:27:31 pm
Have you checked for airlocks ?
If not It will need new seals probabely. Not an expensive job.
Mark
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 05:28:35 pm
Its nothing to do with airlocks think its knackered its nearly 4 years old iam hoping its just the pumphead and iam going to get one of ebay if i have to replace the whole pump its going to cost nearly £800 from Amtech or CSUK ouch.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: wynne jones on October 03, 2012, 06:36:20 pm
£800!  :o

Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Tony Rowley on October 03, 2012, 06:43:32 pm
Its nothing to do with airlocks think its knackered its nearly 4 years old iam hoping its just the pumphead and iam going to get one of ebay if i have to replace the whole pump its going to cost nearly £800 from Amtech or CSUK ouch.

£800, you can buy the complete pump on ebay for £400, whats the other £400 for?
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: *Hector* on October 03, 2012, 06:44:03 pm
not buying it from .............














COMBINED CLEANING SERVICES LTD.

are you..  :o :o
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Fran84 on October 03, 2012, 06:49:54 pm
not buying it from .............














COMBINED CLEANING SERVICES LTD.

are you..  :o :o
;D



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Seriously though.  £800. What pump is it?
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Griffus on October 03, 2012, 07:16:35 pm
Darren, email me and I'll put you in touch with a bit of an expert.

He does come on here and Cleantalk and has sorted my machine a couple of times. Not sure but the pump on yours is probably a Pumptec. He fixed my pump earlier this year and that's a Pumptec 600psi so worth a call.

Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 07:18:23 pm
Pump Motor £384+vat Pump Head £224+vat the complete pump on ebay at £400 ive been told the pump motor isnt powerfull enough to run the 500psi pump thats why its so cheap emailed the seller waiting for a reply already bought  lots of gear of him.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 07:22:04 pm
Ian is it AJB what ever happens i wont be fixing it my self havent got a clue about things like that
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Fran84 on October 03, 2012, 07:22:15 pm
Pumptec 500psi is £325 or pump head is £195 on ebay
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 07:29:01 pm
Fran84 i no the pump your talking about like i said i was told the pump motor isnt powerfull enough the motor has to be 1/2 HP 
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Griffus on October 03, 2012, 07:36:37 pm
Darren, odds are this is a part problem and can be sorted for way less than you think.

Email Trevor Ives:

trevor.ives@virgin.net

I'm sure he won't mind me passing his details on to a CC in need  :)

Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 07:43:05 pm
Thanks Ian ive been meaning to get the pump serviced Amtech wanted £300 +carrige i thought i would be better just buying a new pump head the machine has been hammered for 4 years so was expecting to pay a few quid to get it sorted.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Len Gribble on October 03, 2012, 07:55:11 pm
Humming noise normally indicates electric could it be the offset bearing ah Trevor Ives a name from the past worth contacting

One I done earlier

(http://i47.tinypic.com/2chtms1.jpg)

Len
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 08:02:51 pm
Appreciate the picture Len but its way over my head takes me an hour to wire a plug.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Jamie Pearson on October 03, 2012, 08:03:27 pm
http://www.wcsuk.com/acatalog/500-PSI-Pumptec-Pump-Complete-PUH4.html (http://www.wcsuk.com/acatalog/500-PSI-Pumptec-Pump-Complete-PUH4.html)

Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 08:17:20 pm
Jamie i seen that already,i spoke to Barry today about it will probably drive up on Monday and drop it of and Barry can have a look at it.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Jamie Pearson on October 03, 2012, 08:19:35 pm
I have someone in paisley with a PFX that needs to come in for a motor. Want me to see if he will give you a few quid diesel money to bring his up too?
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 03, 2012, 08:29:38 pm
I would but ive got a truckmount in a swb Nissan Primastar only enough room for 1 porty
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: wynne jones on October 03, 2012, 11:05:20 pm
I can sort of see your thinking especially if you haven't got a clue with spanners. Get it done and get going, £800 in the grand scheme of things is not a lot of dough, it's just that you kind of know it's priced for carpet cleaners.

Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Simon@arenaclean on October 03, 2012, 11:16:03 pm
Takes quite a lot to knacker those big motors. If the pump is humming it sounds like the pump head has ceased.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 04, 2012, 08:07:33 am
Thats what iam hoping Simon i would be happy if its just the pump head as its been used heavily for nearly four years.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: AJB on October 04, 2012, 08:59:55 am
Broken cam bearing.
Simple to rectify, remove four allen bolts holding head to motor.
align bearing with hex hole to left of centre, place a long screwdriver
into hex hole angled down, and clout with hammer, once or twice
and bearing comes loose. Unscrew and replace with
http://accessoryplanet.co/shop/article_69/Pumptec-205V-Cam-Bearing.html?sessid=Hsm0MGQmZYSC7IWBvHvU2igotrdiwGQlvRPsKdBkIjaxOokWAsivEfDdqzcrRsmU&shop_param=cid%3D7%26aid%3D69%26
Liberally grease and re-assemble in reverse order.
You dont even need to remove any hoses.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: *Hector* on October 04, 2012, 09:06:59 am
Quote
clout with hammer, once or twice

Is that the precise and technical method \//

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Kinver_Clean on October 04, 2012, 10:44:09 am
The correct technical term is 'wallop'  ;D
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: *Hector* on October 04, 2012, 10:47:06 am
 ;D
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: AJB on October 04, 2012, 11:58:00 am
Other technical terms are

give it some empo.

Give iiitttt some.

Give it some ommer.

Belt the B*stard.

Bash the f*ck out of it.

First rule of engineering, if it doesn't fit force it.
It you force it and it breaks it needed replacing anyway  ;D

Contrary to what you may think this is the correct method as i was instructed by Amtech.
There is no way to lock the shaft.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Jamie Pearson on October 04, 2012, 01:46:53 pm
I was taught the following engineering basics:

Does it Move? - Yes, Should it? - No - Duck Tape
Does it Move? - No, Should it? - Yes = WD40

Cable ties and insulating tape are optional extras.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Ferenc G. on October 04, 2012, 04:19:12 pm
I was taught the following engineering basics:

Does it Move? - Yes, Should it? - No - Duck Tape
Does it Move? - No, Should it? - Yes = WD40

Cable ties and insulating tape are optional extras.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Glad to see some well prepared engineers around  ;D
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Kinver_Clean on October 04, 2012, 04:34:34 pm
Basically- if it moves oil it if it doesn't move paint it.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Carpet Dawg on October 04, 2012, 07:50:45 pm
It'll be a pumphead replacement. You an do this yourself, very easy to do. Dont pay silly money for a tech to do it!! Your not a true scot if you like wasting money!  ;D

Also worth buying a pressure valve repair kit. Again, cheap enough.

All of the above can be bought at CleanSmart.

Tony
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Jamie Pearson on October 04, 2012, 08:17:57 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEqNBKr4Q38 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEqNBKr4Q38)

Although this vid shoes how to service the pump. The fitting stage at the end will show you how it comes off/on.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Darren O on October 05, 2012, 08:15:14 am
Great video Jamie ive just bought the whole kit plus the cam bearing of ebay so will try and sort it myself.
Title: Re: Powerflight 1350 Pump Gone
Post by: Jamie Pearson on October 05, 2012, 08:39:14 am
If after replacing all of that lot it still hums and does nothing it will be the motor.
Only had 1 like that before but it was a fairly new machine and was done in wty.