Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Joe W Brown on September 25, 2012, 01:25:03 pm
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After spending 2 hours doing a small living room carpet this morning, I have decided to follow peoples advice on here and invest in a magma.
Im quite excited ;D
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2 hours? Why did it take that long? What chemicals did you use?
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Hi
I have storm and the magma and have used it about twice it does produce a lot of heat but I would only use it on big jobs it does take a while to heat up though
Oliver Collins rise & shine cleaning
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It was a dark brown polyprop carpet in quite bad condition.
I used hot mpower 120:1 as I am trying to give mpower a chance on its own to see what it can do. I let it dwell for 15 mins, whilst agitating with sebo duo and spraying a few of the more visible spots with mpower spotter.
I then rinsed it off at 300psi cold water and not much visible change to the carpet (baring in mind its dark brown so only the most extreem spots and stains really showed)
I then took spot-x and eco-x to the remaining spots and stains (around 20 maybe) and treated them all individually.(sprayed, agitate, rinsed, sprayed again, agitate, rinsed until stain is gone)
Client was over the moon. Carpet looked almost brand new.
It took 2 hours from knocking on the door to leaving.
She gave me 4 red bulls as a tip, so maybe the next job will be quicker :D
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Hi
I have storm and the magma and have used it about twice it does produce a lot of heat but I would only use it on big jobs it does take a while to heat up though
Oliver Collins rise & shine cleaning
Oh, so small jobs you do cold?
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Why don't you use hot tap water? ???
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Why don't you use hot tap water? ???
I am debating it. Is there a limit to how hot the water can be, without damaging airflex?
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Why don't you use hot tap water? ???
I am debating it. Is there a limit to how hot the water can be, without damaging airflex?
As far as I know the limit is 60C for the pump, but thats already a big improvement compared to cold. On most of the jobs I only use hot tap water, only get the magma out on EOTs (if theres no hot water available) and mingers (when I need the extra heat).
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It's the pump that has a limit I think it's 60 degrees most hot water systems are set lower. I use standard tap hot water on all jobs and I have never had a problem. When using the magma if the tank water is 40 - 60 degrees the heater will heat up all the quicker. I've tried cold water rinsing and find it just does not work for me.
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i always use hot tap water where possible,as for heat id say if its too hot to put your hand in then its too hot, not had any problems in my steempro using hotter tho.
lew
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Hi Joe
We always use Customers hot water only get the heater out if its very dirty or EOT with no hot water.The heat will help you cut through the mingers mate.
We use a Prochem Steempro
Richard & Tara
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There really is no need to throw a ton of money at an in-line heater... you would be better off putting it towards a good CRB machine which will make a huge difference when brushing in pre sprays.
On a dirty polyprop you could of used something alot stronger than MPower without the risk of damaging anything, in the past i have used SPM and this has worked just fine...
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I'm with Russ on this one - although heat is an important part of the 'pie', a crb makes for much better agitation than a duo - you'll find the pile is lifted much better, and marks won't take so much extra attention to shift.
I remember having to convince Russ that a CRB was a worthwile addition to his gear!!
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I remember having to convince Russ that a CRB was a worthwile addition to his gear!!
Asda price Ash strikes again ;D ;D
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It was nothing to do with the fact I had one to sell at the time, hector - if that's what you're insinuating! ;)
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I have to agree with Ash and Russ. Just bought a proper CRB myself to replace the DUO and the difference was shocking.
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It was nothing to do with the fact I had one to sell at the time, hector - if that's what you're insinuating! ;)
Ash ..... you have something to sell all the time.. :P
;D
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Cold, Hot Water Soil Extraction System. Mmm ??? Made worse by the use of M Power which is second rate in comparison to SPM and others.
Heat plays a huge part in the cleaning process which is why the latest generation of tm's produce temperatures well in excess of 200 degrees and quite literally carve through even the dirtiest carpets.
Simon
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Joe
Have you been on a course?
Mpower is not for polyprop carpets. Try spm or powerburst.
Use hot tap water. It will not damage your machine.
Mark
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Joe if you still want one I have an unused one £325 mate
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I purchased a second hand inline heater a while back and it has been very useful especially on the real mingers using powerburst.
When Ash told me that a CRB would change the way i would work i was very interested, up until this point i had been using SPM and a sebo duo and the results had been acceptable.
Its when you are brushing in your pre spray with a TM4 and the carpet starts to look loads better when you know something really cool is happening, pile is lifted and that almost new feeling under the feet can be felt.
Where a TM is so much more powerful i guess it doesn't rely so much on the agitation process, so a CRB machine would be the next thing i would add to your gear mate!
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Russ
Is the tm4 direct drive or belt drive
Joe
I would take the used magma and look for a used crb dont worry about time concentrate on quality learn your products
make wise choices and save spotters it takes time to find the best way
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Why a choice between CRB and using the Magma why not use both, i do with hot tap water too you can turn the psi down a bit so full tank goes further and get great results, i would not be without it i also don't understand the comment it takes a long time to heat up well from the moment you arrive on a job to extraction is ages certainly plenty of time to heat up, you just manage your setup properly i plug it in long before i extract so its ready to go when i want it.
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Joe
Have you been on a course?
Mpower is not for polyprop carpets. Try spm or powerburst.
Use hot tap water. It will not damage your machine.
Mark
Thanks everyone for advice.
I completed a few courses with Derek Bolton through Cleansmart, but needless to say they taught about Split-x and Wool-x etc rather than solutions products.
Maybe powerburst would have been better today, but I have heard that it tends to resoil quicker than low ph products. I have been getting some great feedback about lack of resoiling recently (cleaning with microsplitters) and am concerned about sacrofising it.
Ill try with hot tap water tomorrow :)
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Joe if you still want one I have an unused one £325 mate
Might well do. My email addy is joe@carpetranger.com if you would like to drop me an email.
Cheers
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Great feedback about lack of resoiling? How much longer after cleaning are you contacting your customers to check??
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Dont really understand or believe the "resoiling problem" with Powerburst who is claiming this as it's probably the best prespray around and used by many, if you consider that say 5 litres with treat say a three bed house and you are rinsing with ten times that amount in the tank at around 200/400 psi i would have thought that you are removing it with the extraction process, sounds like a good marketing stunt for the eco brand of presprays.
Why dont you try Shockwave from solutions or one of the stronger micro splitters from cleansmart you want something stronger thats eco, i use shockwave but still wouldn't be without powerburst.
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Great feedback about lack of resoiling? How much longer after cleaning are you contacting your customers to check??
A few friends have commented and someone posted on my facebook page.
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Dont really understand or believe the "resoiling problem" with Powerburst who is claiming this as it's probably the best prespray around and used by many, if you consider that say 5 litres with treat say a three bed house and you are rinsing with ten times that amount in the tank at around 200/400 psi i would have thought that you are removing it with the extraction process, sounds like a good marketing stunt for the eco brand of presprays.
Why dont you try Shockwave from solutions or one of the stronger micro splitters from cleansmart you want something stronger thats eco, i use shockwave but still wouldn't be without powerburst.
Thanks, i'll do this.
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Can't see how a Pre-spray, especially one as good as Powerburst can be attributed to rapid resoiling when there are so many other factors that could and probably are responsible for it. Powerburst is so well respected because of its ability to release so much of the soil in a carpet so the only reason for it being responsible for rapid resoiling is from not removing all of the loosened soil, which is down to the operator.
Simon
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Can't see how a Pre-spray, especially one as good as Powerburst can be attributed to rapid resoiling when there are so many other factors that could and probably are responsible for it. Powerburst is so well respected because of its ability to release so much of the soil in a carpet so the only reason for it being responsible for rapid resoiling is from not removing all of the loosened soil, which is down to the operator.
Simon
Would i be right in thinking that its slightly more sticky and soapy than an average microsplitter?
Maybe this could be to blame?
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not if you remove it all
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Can't see how a Pre-spray, especially one as good as Powerburst can be attributed to rapid resoiling when there are so many other factors that could and probably are responsible for it. Powerburst is so well respected because of its ability to release so much of the soil in a carpet so the only reason for it being responsible for rapid resoiling is from not removing all of the loosened soil, which is down to the operator.
Simon
Would i be right in thinking that its slightly more sticky and soapy than an average microsplitter?
Maybe this could be to blame?
Joe,
If you fail to remove any Pre-spray then it will cause a problem, micro-splitter as well.
Simon
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I said that Simon ;D ;D
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Hector said that Simon.