Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: john martin on September 21, 2012, 07:35:52 pm
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Credit for finding this to Russ Chadd ;D
Im gonna have to look at this a few times to see what they're up to , i think they only switch on two vacs on the turbo for cfm test , but whatever they do the results are nonsense ...
If i was the guys at cleansmart id be pi$$ed .
And ... the magic CFM gauge is out again ... 200cfm from series 5.7's , just doesn't add up .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Elgr0d8Qw
Hopefully cleansmart get their hands on an Enforcer and make a video of their own .
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Thats underhand!
And also, why did they not test the enforcer agenst the latest Airflex Storm?? ;D
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I am one of Ashby's video subscribers on YouTube and this popped up on my email this morning, if the video has given an inaccurate demonstration to the Airflex machine im sure Matt will be calling Ashby's to have words with them... ;)
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Why can't you see the gatevalve on the Turbo? ;D
I am sure it was closed anyway.
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Ashby’s did sound superior (like my 135) it only take the waist tank gate valve not seating right not saying it wasn’t.
Some one beat to it ;)
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Yes i think your right guys , waste gate open ...
still dont explain the 180cfm for the enforcer ... actually it was 200cfm last week , trick gauge id say .
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Opening the gate could explain the turbos figures but not how they got the enforcer up to 200cfm
must say the enforcer looks like the best body being showerproof should be standard on all top portys
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Opening the gate could explain the turbos figures but not how they got the enforcer up to 200cfm
must say the enforcer looks like the best body being showerproof should be standard on all top portys
I agree , i like the design and thought that went into it , not sure why they are resorting to these tactics , could be a publicity stunt ... as Oscar Wilde said ,
' It's better to be talked about than not talked about at all '
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John
Like the quote
As most think they are Erik Weisz
We would love to have all three at the same time for a demo, but we haven’t got the time
Slag off sells ;)
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Isn't one in series and one in parallel. One will give greater lift/vacuum and the other will give greater airflow. So not a valid comparison. Or am I wrong, over to you John Martin you seem to know your stuff about vacuums.
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John
What john martin has pointed out is the enforcers cfm should be the same as the powerflite 101cfm
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Isn't one in series and one in parallel. One will give greater lift/vacuum and the other will give greater airflow. So not a valid comparison. Or am I wrong, over to you John Martin you seem to know your stuff about vacuums.
I agree
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This country went to the dogs a long time ago as far as manufacturing is concerned. Matt Flewitt put his money where his mouth is and came up with what I believe is an excellent designed range of carpet cleaning machines. He should be applauded and supported. He could have just as easily bought in a machine from the USA and re-badged it but no he did it the hard way. Hats off to him.
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Agree the Airflex is an excellent design also ...
I think it should be .
Airflex turbo - 137" lift and about 300 CFM
Enforcer - 230" lift and about 100 CFM
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This country went to the dogs a long time ago as far as manufacturing is concerned. Matt Flewitt put his money where his mouth is and came up with what I believe is an excellent designed range of carpet cleaning machines. He should be applauded and supported. He could have just as easily bought in a machine from the USA and re-badged it but no he did it the hard way. Hats off to him.
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and me
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This country went to the dogs a long time ago as far as manufacturing is concerned. Matt Flewitt put his money where his mouth is and came up with what I believe is an excellent designed range of carpet cleaning machines. He should be applauded and supported. He could have just as easily bought in a machine from the USA and re-badged it but no he did it the hard way. Hats off to him.
Thats is spot on, I can't believe you thought of that!!! I reckon thats lynn talking ;) ;D ;D
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Had a turbo for a couple of years before I got the storm, those figures do not reflect my experience. 100' of 2" hose with sub 200cfm, not a chance. I suspect one manufacturer is doing somewhat better than another and I find that Matt is quite happy to let others get on and do what they do. My thoughts reflect those of Mr Kelly, nuff said.
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Is the enforcers body designed and made by ashbys or is it a generic body you could buy and fit out yourself
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Is the enforcers body designed and made by ashbys or is it a generic body you could buy and fit out yourself
In fairness to Ashbys it would seem to be an inhouse design , and one of the best imo
They could have imported the new Ninja warrior i suppose .
I believe its in the mid to high 60's weight wise depending on spec ...
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The Ninja's about 48kg.
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This country went to the dogs a long time ago as far as manufacturing is concerned. Matt Flewitt put his money where his mouth is and came up with what I believe is an excellent designed range of carpet cleaning machines. He should be applauded and supported. He could have just as easily bought in a machine from the USA and re-badged it but no he did it the hard way. Hats off to him.
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I also agree :)
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On Ashbys website the one Enforcer model uses
7.2" vac motors.
i wonder if that was the machine used.
I don't know the internal plumbing of the Airflex,
but the vacuum figure on the first motor switched
on is suspiciously low. Could an internal hose be
incorrectly fitted :o.
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Could it be possible that the Airflex is not a brand new machine? after time motors lose performance.
Im all in favour of an independent test being carried out on lets say five of the most talked about machines, at least this will give suppliers of such machines like the Airflex to supply a brand new machine for analysis.
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Russ,
Totally agree with that. A full independent test would solve all issues for ever!
Not slating any machine as usability is allot more important than sheer power. One operator will like one, one will like another.
How many manufactures would sign up to a test though?
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Turns out that the Airflex used in this demo was a year old and was taken into the Dartford branch for a small repair, an overheating plug ! from what i understand they delayed getting the machine back it had a PAT test and cable replaced something that could easily be done at Dartford, it was in fact at the main branch being used to make this video without the owners knowledge. this is of course third party but if the owner wants to confirm or Ashbys deny then feel free. :-[
I have some serious doubts about the validity of this demo its hardly been carried out on neutral ground has it, Storm has the same motors and is more powerful than the Turbo i doubt the enforcer is the machine they are claiming. the specs in this "Ashbys" video are rather suspicious for the Airflex ???
Your never going to get all the machines in peak condition ie new all running alongside each other and have a scientific test carried out with an impartial adjudicator, i also don't think the suppliers want that either a fault on a machine could cost them dearly, i think the top flite machines are very similar and the thing that tips the balance for me after the spec is the ease of working on the machine, i'm a complete numpty when it comes to electrics and mechanical things but the Airflex is easy to work on because its accessible due to the flip interior workings, vacs can be changed in under ten minutes, the next thing i look for is reliability which has been excellent , then it's supplier relationship, Mat at Cleansmart goes out of his way he has never held it against me that i did not buy my machine from him direct even recognising the warranty and talking me out of changes to my set up at the expense of him making money.
Lastly it's the look of the machine, my Airflex looks professional and promotes my company so for me the Airflex ticks all the boxes and the other machine from down south ticks many boxes too.
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On Ashbys website the one Enforcer model uses
7.2" vac motors.
i wonder if that was the machine used.
I don't know the internal plumbing of the Airflex,
but the vacuum figure on the first motor switched
on is suspiciously low. Could an internal hose be
incorrectly fitted :o.
Even if its the 7.2 it still has around 100cfm , what Ashbys are 'demonstrating '
is the lift of series and the CFM of parallel at the same time .
Doesn't add up .
The Airflex should have around 270- 300 cfm .... they say 330 on the website , but i'd say thats a little optimistic , would be interesting to hear what cleansmart make of the vid .
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This country went to the dogs a long time ago as far as manufacturing is concerned. Matt Flewitt put his money where his mouth is and came up with what I believe is an excellent designed range of carpet cleaning machines. He should be applauded and supported. He could have just as easily bought in a machine from the USA and re-badged it but no he did it the hard way. Hats off to him.
Mark Mullane has also done the same at Textile Cleaning Solutions with his range of machines.