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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Silver Surfer on September 18, 2012, 10:02:04 pm
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So who gonna be next to franchise....seems like everyone at it!! ;D
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
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ive considered it as ive been asked loads n loads by people if im a franchise, need to get my own business successful first tho
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Out of interest Pure Hydro how many franchisees do you have now or in the process of having?
Dan :)
at the moment I am looking for my first one, but I am having talks with 2 people at the moment, I want the first one by the end of october, but if thats not possible, then its employing another cleaner and another van on the road.
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Yeah and the fact is some people get on with wfp and have no problems and some crash and burn.
Not every one that tries to make a big business get what they want its easy to get loads of customers but to run a large business with loads of vans can be harder then some people think.
The problem is alot of people see what the bigger established companys are doing and try to copy but it don't always work out.
Pure HYDRO Cleaners i hope things work out for your franchise but alot of people are great one man bands but just can't get their heads around getting bigger its down to personal choice and capabilitys.
Paul
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Out of interest Pure Hydro how many franchisees do you have now or in the process of having?
Dan :)
at the moment I am looking for my first one, but I am having talks with 2 people at the moment, I want the first one by the end of october, but if thats not possible, then its employing another cleaner and another van on the road.
Out of interest, how much are you charging for your licence FEE?
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Out of interest Pure Hydro how many franchisees do you have now or in the process of having?
Dan :)
at the moment I am looking for my first one, but I am having talks with 2 people at the moment, I want the first one by the end of october, but if thats not possible, then its employing another cleaner and another van on the road.
Out of interest, how much are you charging for your licence FEE?
I have 2 packages, both offer the same things regarding equipment and customers given, but in 2 price packages
the first one is £5000 for a commission return of 22.5% and £10000 with a commission of 20%
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Out of interest Pure Hydro how many franchisees do you have now or in the process of having?
Dan :)
at the moment I am looking for my first one, but I am having talks with 2 people at the moment, I want the first one by the end of october, but if thats not possible, then its employing another cleaner and another van on the road.
Out of interest, how much are you charging for your licence FEE?
I have 2 packages, both offer the same things regarding equipment and customers given, but in 2 price packages
the first one is £5000 for a commission return of 22.5% and £10000 with a commission of 20%
That’s interesting £10,0000 for 20% is this the Ian Lancaster franchisee model ?
And is it cold water or Hot water system?
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You seem to have done an awful lot of homework on members here Dani - only being here a short time yourself like ;) ;)
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Dani Ravie more like ;D
Dani has Ian Lancasters franchise model if I remember correctly.
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Dani Ravie more like ;D
Dani has Ian Lancasters franchise model if I remember correctly.
;) ;D
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In which case the answer must be Magica One Go!
Vin
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Out of interest Pure Hydro how many franchisees do you have now or in the process of having?
Dan :)
at the moment I am looking for my first one, but I am having talks with 2 people at the moment, I want the first one by the end of october, but if thats not possible, then its employing another cleaner and another van on the road.
Out of interest, how much are you charging for your licence FEE?
I have 2 packages, both offer the same things regarding equipment and customers given, but in 2 price packages
the first one is £5000 for a commission return of 22.5% and £10000 with a commission of 20%
That’s interesting £10,0000 for 20% is this the Ian Lancaster franchisee model ?
And is it cold water or Hot water system?
yes it is modelled on Ians franchise deal, mine though has some different parts, for instance I also offer gutter and carpet cleaning as well, but these are at a extra package price.
the only main difference between me and Ian is the 20% and 22.5% rates
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Out of interest Pure Hydro how many franchisees do you have now or in the process of having?
Dan :)
at the moment I am looking for my first one, but I am having talks with 2 people at the moment, I want the first one by the end of october, but if thats not possible, then its employing another cleaner and another van on the road.
Out of interest, how much are you charging for your licence FEE?
I have 2 packages, both offer the same things regarding equipment and customers given, but in 2 price packages
the first one is £5000 for a commission return of 22.5% and £10000 with a commission of 20%
That’s interesting £10,0000 for 20% is this the Ian Lancaster franchisee model ?
And is it cold water or Hot water system?
yes it is modelled on Ians franchise deal, mine though has some different parts, for instance I also offer gutter and carpet cleaning as well, but these are at a extra package price.
the only main difference between me and Ian is the 20% and 22.5% rates
That’s even more interesting, so if you offer gutter & carpet cleaning doesn’t it complicate things for you?
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Do people really buy franchises in window cleaning? A relatively easy business to setup so why would someone buy into a franchise?
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Do people really buy franchises in window cleaning? A relatively easy business to setup so why would someone buy into a franchise?
Because they can't be arsed to get off there own arse and build the business themselves .
Stupid if you ask me instead of buying a franchise for 10k I'd rather start from scratch and build it myself !
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Do people really buy franchises in window cleaning? A relatively easy business to setup so why would someone buy into a franchise?
I have a franchisee. He went from a full time job working 60 hours a week to being my franchisee. In 6 months I have pulled in £4100 worth of work for him. He was earning a wage from the very first week. His first day saw him bring home cash and cheques.
He has 4 kids and a mortgage. He could not give up his job to become a window cleaner as he could never have built up that much work in such a short time and he couldn't window clean part time either because he was already doing 60 hours a week. Now he is doing 22 hours a week less for £200 a week more.
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Do people really buy franchises in window cleaning? A relatively easy business to setup so why would someone buy into a franchise?
Because they can't be arsed to get off there own arse and build the business themselves .
Stupid if you ask me instead of buying a franchise for 10k I'd rather start from scratch and build it myself !
If you are in a full time job and have financial commitments every month how are you going to manage it? There's only so much you can do on a saturday and so far you can get behind on your mortgage while trying to build a decent round.
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Just because everyones at it don't mean they will make a sucess of it ;) ;)
Infact it could kill their business which means more work for us ;D ;D ;D
Paul
its strange that, 10 years ago I heard they same comments about wfp and look where we are now with that ;D
Out of interest Pure Hydro how many franchisees do you have now or in the process of having?
Dan :)
at the moment I am looking for my first one, but I am having talks with 2 people at the moment, I want the first one by the end of october, but if thats not possible, then its employing another cleaner and another van on the road.
Out of interest, how much are you charging for your licence FEE?
I have 2 packages, both offer the same things regarding equipment and customers given, but in 2 price packages
the first one is £5000 for a commission return of 22.5% and £10000 with a commission of 20%
That’s interesting £10,0000 for 20% is this the Ian Lancaster franchisee model ?
And is it cold water or Hot water system?
yes it is modelled on Ians franchise deal, mine though has some different parts, for instance I also offer gutter and carpet cleaning as well, but these are at a extra package price.
the only main difference between me and Ian is the 20% and 22.5% rates
That’s even more interesting, so if you offer gutter & carpet cleaning doesn’t it complicate things for you?
Not really, I have always cleaned carpets and have done so for the last 30 odd years on and off, Gutters was an extension from the window cleaning side, the same as solar panel cleaning is, which is part of the window cleaning package.
Over the years I have been tweaking my leaflets to reflect all the services that I offer, I now have come to one that gets a good response for all the services apart from solar panels (this is mainly due to the amount of propertys that have solar panels, compared to those with carpets and gutter)
at the moment I have 10k of leaflets going though the doors every week, I am looking for and will soon have a couple of salaried canvassers who will door knock after the leaflet drop to maximise the amount of customers in each area.
For those franchisees who take on the extras of gutter cleans or carpet cleaning will get an equal share of these customers, if they don't want those packages then my company will clean them.
the extra cost of these to the franchisees is mainly in the equipment and training costs, the carpet cleaning also comes with a NCCA training course.
The window cleaning equipment will be cold water, if they want hot, then they will need to pay for the extra cost for this equipment.
of course franchising is not for everyone, but it is an option to be up and running faster than you would if you are totally new to the trade, its also good for the ones who cannot wait the months it takes before you have a round that is generating a liveable wage.
and of course in 5 years if they want to break from franchising and go on their own, they will have the nessasary skills to get their own business up and running faster than a newbie.
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Why don't they buy it? I think you've been trying to sell a franchise for two years now probably more. The people who are interested don't buy it obviously. What are their excuses when they walk away?
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Why don't they buy it? I think you've been trying to sell a franchise for two years now probably more. The people who are interested don't buy it obviously. What are their excuses when they walk away?
Not quite, I looked at franchising 2 years ago and last year I was ready to get my first one, but I took on a member of staff before I found a franchisee, and I didn't have enough work for a franchise, 2 staff and myself, the other problem that came up was I went into hospital for a operation, this was not planned or expected, within the space of 2 weeks from me seeing the consultant who said I needed an op I was under the knife, the best way forward then was to put franchising on hold until I am ready again.
I am now at that stage again and although I am due another operation, I have had time to organise for it, and still offer a franchise package.
I think that I have been actively looking for a franchise for the last 4 weeks or so, so far I have had 10 enquiries, 8 are no good because of location or the fact that they are already a window cleaner, the other 2 I am still having talks with.
The other thing I will not do is just to take the 1st one who comes along with the money, they have to be the right person I am looking for, and if that takes time.
This is a business not a race.
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Do people really buy franchises in window cleaning? A relatively easy business to setup so why would someone buy into a franchise?
I have a franchisee. He went from a full time job working 60 hours a week to being my franchisee. In 6 months I have pulled in £4100 worth of work for him. He was earning a wage from the very first week. His first day saw him bring home cash and cheques.
He has 4 kids and a mortgage. He could not give up his job to become a window cleaner as he could never have built up that much work in such a short time and he couldn't window clean part time either because he was already doing 60 hours a week. Now he is doing 22 hours a week less for £200 a week more.
Genuine question so not knocking but what stopped him just buying a round ?
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Do people really buy franchises in window cleaning? A relatively easy business to setup so why would someone buy into a franchise?
I have a franchisee. He went from a full time job working 60 hours a week to being my franchisee. In 6 months I have pulled in £4100 worth of work for him. He was earning a wage from the very first week. His first day saw him bring home cash and cheques.
He has 4 kids and a mortgage. He could not give up his job to become a window cleaner as he could never have built up that much work in such a short time and he couldn't window clean part time either because he was already doing 60 hours a week. Now he is doing 22 hours a week less for £200 a week more.
Genuine question so not knocking but what stopped him just buying a round ?
I don't know about you but most rounds I have seen for sale are badly priced and cancel when a new cleaner comes along.
He also has the problem of learning how to clean, what equipment to use and were to get it from.
I know that it took me a couple of years to get a decent round up and running, just like everyone else all the mistakes you are going to make are always at the beginning of starting up, franchising is a safer bet unless you have time, money and patience
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Do people really buy franchises in window cleaning? A relatively easy business to setup so why would someone buy into a franchise?
I have a franchisee. He went from a full time job working 60 hours a week to being my franchisee. In 6 months I have pulled in £4100 worth of work for him. He was earning a wage from the very first week. His first day saw him bring home cash and cheques.
He has 4 kids and a mortgage. He could not give up his job to become a window cleaner as he could never have built up that much work in such a short time and he couldn't window clean part time either because he was already doing 60 hours a week. Now he is doing 22 hours a week less for £200 a week more.
Genuine question so not knocking but what stopped him just buying a round ?
How much would that cost? 4k of well priced work(average job price £13.00 north west england), system, poles, training, access to spares for every item in his van within an hour of asking, access to decent 18lpm pressure washer, gutter vac and so on.
Also, you are assuming a 4k round has recently been up for sale in this area. There was one a while ago, average job price £5.50.
He has a fulll round, had his van kitted out, trained for two weeks on his work (he was earning, not me), has access to spares and other equipment all for an initial 3k fee. I try to just cover my costs with the initial fee. I am only interested in the ongoing monthly fee. That's where I make my money. I think he got a great deal.
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Hi
I know nothing about Window Cleaning apart from seeing Water Fed poles in Canada Years ago mentioning them on a British forum and told load of TOSH never catch on here etc.
So I went for Carpet Cleaning
But I do believe Window Cleaning offers long term growth. and regular cash flow apart from when it rains snows etc etc.
But now I see These Franchise Companies starting
First What are they going to do I cant do myself as I guess I would still have to build Customer base.
In my part of the World I drive through town and see lots of Window Cleaning Vans is there really an opportunity to gain many customers.
What is this £10000 I presume its Franchise Fee What is this 20% , and what is this system Forum Admin have posted is a Information Package do I have to pay roalties is it Endorsed and checked out by Cleanitup
Is it that I do franchising and people pay me 10grand plus 22% sounds good 4 of those a year would do nicel how long for UK coverage
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Hi Ian
And welcome to the windows section.
With most franchises you pay a upfront fee for the franchise licence, you then normally have to purchase your equipment and find premises etc and then you have to pay for advertising materal and go and find your customers, and when you get then you also now have to pay a commission on all the work you do.
With the franchises packages that are most common on this forum is totally different, yes you do have to still pay the upfront fee, this varies from £3k to £10k
If you take my packages for instance, at the moment I offer 3 different ones at 2 different rates of commission.
If they go for the total package of windows, gutters, solar panels, carpet and upholstery cleaning they will get the following equipment
Wfp system plus poles and backpack
Gutter vac plus poles and camera system
Carpet cleaning machine (jaguar or similar) plus chemicals
Ncca training course
Round management
Laptop
Uniform
Stationary and leaflets
3 months in the field training with a member of my staff who I pay his wages, earning £200 per week from day one and increased every week by £125
Within the 1st year I will get them to a turnover of £50k or more
They do NOT ever have to find one single customer, I do all of that, so if a customers cancels I replace straightaway with another, if after they reach their target figure they still want more work I will supply it, all they need to do is to be able to clean it.
and before they even part with any money they can try it out for 4 weeks and if it's not for them they walk away.
I think this is a good deal for a upfront fee of £7500 paying a commission of 22.5% for 5 years with the commission dropping down to 20% if they want to renew the franchise agreement, if they don't then all the equipment belongs to them, but the customer database comes back to me.
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Ian Lancaster is the man for franchises.I guess the only reason Ian
Has`nt replied to this `thread`before now is that he`s done it all before,
Been there `got the `T shirt`so to speak.
Regarding franchises I`m no nearer at understanding them now as I was
In 1977 when I applied for a local franchise with ServiceMaster. ??? ???
Lewis Doubtfire
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Hi Ian
And welcome to the windows section.
With most franchises you pay a upfront fee for the franchise licence, you then normally have to purchase your equipment and find premises etc and then you have to pay for advertising materal and go and find your customers, and when you get then you also now have to pay a commission on all the work you do.
With the franchises packages that are most common on this forum is totally different, yes you do have to still pay the upfront fee, this varies from £3k to £10k
If you take my packages for instance, at the moment I offer 3 different ones at 2 different rates of commission.
If they go for the total package of windows, gutters, solar panels, carpet and upholstery cleaning they will get the following equipment
Wfp system plus poles and backpack
Gutter vac plus poles and camera system
Carpet cleaning machine (jaguar or similar) plus chemicals
Ncca training course
Round management
Laptop
Uniform
Stationary and leaflets
3 months in the field training with a member of my staff who I pay his wages, earning £200 per week from day one and increased every week by £125
Within the 1st year I will get them to a turnover of £50k or more
They do NOT ever have to find one single customer, I do all of that, so if a customers cancels I replace straightaway with another, if after they reach their target figure they still want more work I will supply it, all they need to do is to be able to clean it.
and before they even part with any money they can try it out for 4 weeks and if it's not for them they walk away.
I think this is a good deal for a upfront fee of £7500 paying a commission of 22.5% for 5 years with the commission dropping down to 20% if they want to renew the franchise agreement, if they don't then all the equipment belongs to them, but the customer database comes back to me.
so after 3 months training you would have been paying them £1700 per week??
Not quite, my target for them is to reach £50k within 1 year, I will start them off on £10k and increase their round by £6k per month, after 3 months they should have a turnover figure of £28k, which works out at almost £560 a week
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pure you are spending far too much time defending your ideas m8t!,
ive noticed on some other posts havnt really read them all they are quite long :)
you will sell one soon just keep focused and maybe sell a bit cheaper at first to gain confidence,prolly advertise on other sites too.
the reasons why someone would give you 10k is simple they have a family,rent to pay and no time or headset to take a risk also quite simply they dont know the ins and outs of the trade as well as you do.. a cancelation to you is part of expanding but to a new starter its "am i doing something wrong" with you to back him up he aint got a bad deal at all.
there will always be someone who wants to earn a salary and always someone who wants an easyer life thats where you pure will profit as you are willing to take risks and work harder,
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So out of the 28,000 turnover.....22.5% franchise fee...less 22% tax.... :o
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Hi Pure
My advice to you, that’s if you want it :)
Is to go cheaper for the 1st franchisee I would say around £7000 this is just for window cleaning, because you haven’t got any franchisee as yet, so who ever comes 1st they need to see more evidence of how you run your franchisee, so to peak you don’t have a row model yet, also, I wouldn’t complicate it too much, just stick to window cleaning franchisee and nothing else.
That’s my view. :)
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So out of the 28,000 turnover.....22.5% franchise fee...less 22% tax.... :o
Your figures are flawed.
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So out of the 28,000 turnover.....22.5% franchise fee...less 22% tax.... :o
What do you expect after 3 months? The franchisee wouldn't be able to handle any more at this stage anyway. He has clearly stated the monthly turnover will rise well beyond 28k within the first year. Poke holes in it all you like but it can work well for both parties involved.
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Shouldn't you be asleep?
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So out of the 28,000 turnover.....22.5% franchise fee...less 22% tax.... :o
What do you expect after 3 months? The franchisee wouldn't be able to handle any more at this stage anyway. He has clearly stated the monthly turnover will rise well beyond 28k within the first year. Poke holes in it all you like but it can work well for both parties involved.
I have given up now, if I get a franchisee then great, if I don't then I will just employ more staff and give them the franchise after a years service.
and I like the bit about lowering my franchise fee because I haven't had one or proved that I can franchise a business.
So the next time a newbie comes on here saying they are going to start a window cleaning business, I expect to hear to words " well as you have never cleaned windows before and therefore have not proved yourself, you need to charge less than the other cleaners in your area" after you have built up a business to their level then you can charge more. ;D
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where do you get all this work for them hydro how can you guarantee them amounts
have you got a huge round your splitting or canvassing work on there behalf
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where do you get all this work for them hydro how can you guarantee them amounts
have you got a huge round your splitting or canvassing work on there behalf
Exactly what I was thinking.There are no guarantees that leaflet drops and canvassing will bring in the amount of income being mentioned.
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where do you get all this work for them hydro how can you guarantee them amounts
have you got a huge round your splitting or canvassing work on there behalf
Richy
at this moment in time I can afford to carve off £10k and if pushed £20k
to generate the figures I am quoting and taking away the amount of new jobs I am already getting, I need 10 new customers each and every week.
I don't knock door personally, but if I went out I can get 20 to 30 without really trying.
but with every new franchisee I will employ a salaried paid canvasser who will come out with me every day to follow up the leaflet drops I am already doing, as soon as I get 4 canvassers I will make one the closer who will get a percentage of each new job he or his team gets.
and then I will start again on a new team.
its the double glazing way and it works
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where do you get all this work for them hydro how can you guarantee them amounts
have you got a huge round your splitting or canvassing work on there behalf
Exactly what I was thinking.There are no guarantees that leaflet drops and canvassing will bring in the amount of income being mentioned.
at the moment I am getting new work coming in on a weekly basis and i am not really trying, yes in the future that might slow down but it will not stop, I use to door knock for double glazing over 30 years ago and the estates were hammered, but we all still got new business, now 30 years later double glazing canvassers hit the doors every night of the week and the companies concerned spend a fortune doing this type of marketing and the reason why is because they still are getting more new work to make it cost effective.
will there come a day when every household has a window cleaner?
NO
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Shouldn't you be asleep?
Yes, I should have and I should be working by now too. Did you have a nice coffee yesterday afternoon like usual? ;D
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Ian Lancaster is the man for franchises.I guess the only reason Ian
Has`nt replied to this `thread`before now is that he`s done it all before,
Been there `got the `T shirt`so to speak.
Regarding franchises I`m no nearer at understanding them now as I was
In 1977 when I applied for a local franchise with ServiceMaster. ??? ???
Lewis Doubtfire
Hi Lewis perhaps I should take my own advise and use search enine to seek out words of wisdom of this Super Window Cleaner.
I filled in a form regarding getting a Service Master Franchise round about the same time as you read an article in Sunday Times Business about this Imigrant from India who did not go into the Corner Shop business but had acquired a Service Master Cleaning Franchise and was making a mint. I think in those days it required a massive amount of loot and I had not carried out my first bank robbery so was a bit stuck as loans required security and I was only very very young Anyway at the time I wanted Wimpy Bar which required even more loot
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where do you get all this work for them hydro how can you guarantee them amounts
have you got a huge round your splitting or canvassing work on there behalf
Richy
at this moment in time I can afford to carve off £10k and if pushed £20k
to generate the figures I am quoting and taking away the amount of new jobs I am already getting, I need 10 new customers each and every week.
I don't knock door personally, but if I went out I can get 20 to 30 without really trying.
but with every new franchisee I will employ a salaried paid canvasser who will come out with me every day to follow up the leaflet drops I am already doing, as soon as I get 4 canvassers I will make one the closer who will get a percentage of each new job he or his team gets.
and then I will start again on a new team.
its the double glazing way and it works
Ive been trying to tell new carpet cleaners that for years ;D
How much do you pay your Window Cleaners
Just thinking how would it work out if you supplied van and equipment and took say 33% or 50% of takings
How would you verify takings in fact if you employ staff do they collect the money etc
What percentage of customers can you get to pay by direct debit to avoid hazzle of collecting the moniee
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where do you get all this work for them hydro how can you guarantee them amounts
have you got a huge round your splitting or canvassing work on there behalf
Richy
at this moment in time I can afford to carve off £10k and if pushed £20k
to generate the figures I am quoting and taking away the amount of new jobs I am already getting, I need 10 new customers each and every week.
I don't knock door personally, but if I went out I can get 20 to 30 without really trying.
but with every new franchisee I will employ a salaried paid canvasser who will come out with me every day to follow up the leaflet drops I am already doing, as soon as I get 4 canvassers I will make one the closer who will get a percentage of each new job he or his team gets.
and then I will start again on a new team.
its the double glazing way and it works
Ive been trying to tell new carpet cleaners that for years ;D
How much do you pay your Window Cleaners
Just thinking how would it work out if you supplied van and equipment and took say 33% or 50% of takings
How would you verify takings in fact if you employ staff do they collect the money etc
What percentage of customers can you get to pay by direct debit to avoid hazzle of collecting the moniee
Hi Ian I will try and answer your questions.
Pay wise, at the moment they are paided a daily rate of £60, when they are in a van on their own they have a target figure of £4k of work to be cleaned per month, on any work cleaned about this figure then they are paid 50% of the work done, so for instance they clean £5000 in the month, they recieve their normal wage of £60 per day, I work a 4 day week and the also get 50% of the £1000 they are above target, so £500, I also pay £10 for any new customers they get.
If its a 2 man set up then their target figure is raised to £5200.
I use the aworka programme and they mark off all the work they do each day and who and who hasn't paid etc, there are checks in place to make sure that they are not doing work on the sly, ie all the vechicles are fitted with gps tracking.
I always call/text the night before, they don't so I know who are going to be cleaned and who are not.
Because I call/text, all the money is left in a secure place so no collecting, I do have plans to gain all their emails so I can send a invoice via aworka when their house is cleaned and they have forgot to leave payment, to pay me online.
For the last 10 years I have always collected over 90% on the day of clean with this method, the rest either pay online send a cheque or pay double on the next clean.
In theory I could get over 90% to go on standing order, but the problems start when I have to miss them because of weather, holiday, sickness or breakdown.
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Jesus...no wonder staff turnover in the cleaning industry is high.You are paying a bloke £1200 per month (20 days) to turnover £4000 for your business,honestly i cannot see for the life of me anyone who will stick around for that long term...am i missing something here??
although I only pay £60 per day, the day is only normally 5 or 6 hours long.
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Jesus...no wonder staff turnover in the cleaning industry is high.You are paying a bloke £1200 per month (20 days) to turnover £4000 for your business,honestly i cannot see for the life of me anyone who will stick around for that long term...am i missing something here??
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recession?
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Jesus...no wonder staff turnover in the cleaning industry is high.You are paying a bloke £1200 per month (20 days) to turnover £4000 for your business,honestly i cannot see for the life of me anyone who will stick around for that long term...am i missing something here??
It's the way of the world. Anyone paying the overhead on employing someone (running and insuring a van, dressing them, finding customers, paying for water and equipment, etc) is probably going to hand over about 30-35% of what they take in salary. I worked in IT sales for years and in one memorable year sold £48M worth of equipment - what % of turnover do you think I was taking home?
Vin
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How does bsm and other driving schools do the franchise thing ???
Could work with window cleaning aswell.
Paul
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So out of the 28,000 turnover.....22.5% franchise fee...less 22% tax.... :o
What do you expect after 3 months? The franchisee wouldn't be able to handle any more at this stage anyway. He has clearly stated the monthly turnover will rise well beyond 28k within the first year. Poke holes in it all you like but it can work well for both parties involved.
I have given up now, if I get a franchisee then great, if I don't then I will just employ more staff and give them the franchise after a years service.
and I like the bit about lowering my franchise fee because I haven't had one or proved that I can franchise a business.
So the next time a newbie comes on here saying they are going to start a window cleaning business, I expect to hear to words " well as you have never cleaned windows before and therefore have not proved yourself, you need to charge less than the other cleaners in your area" after you have built up a business to their level then you can charge more. ;D
With a attitude like this, do you wonder why you haven’t got a franchisee yet ;D
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Posted elsewhere by me, so apologies to anyone who's read it before:
I think one of the things that's missed by people on these forums is that, in general, you are all successful entrepreneurs. I know there are varying degrees of success on here, but you've all taken the plunge, taken a risk and jumped in. "Entrepreneur" sounds like a bit much for "just a windy" but the first definition I came across just now was "a person who organises and manages any enterprise, especially a business, usually with considerable initiative and risk". You've all shown the initiative and taken the risk.
Franchising is suited more to slightly different people, namely people who want a degree of hand-holding. They are people who want more certainty about where their money (and time) is going. After all, there must have been times when you doubted what you were doing. This is a way of reducing that fear factor.
Instead of buying equipment then going blind into the market, these people will have a degree of knowledge about what's coming up. They'll know what turnover figure they are going to get to (and when). They'll know what expenses they can expect - the franchisor has done it, so that's all part of the knowledge they are gaining. Thus, unlike you or me or all the others on here who just set up (more or less) blindly, they have some certainty about the way their business will go. They are prepared to pay for that certainty, so a franchise is one route for them.
It's easy to make a post about their being idiots or mugs but the truth is it takes all sorts to make a world and some people want to run their own business but without all the uncertainty that it brings.
Vin
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One of the biggest problems you will have to overcome is trust
You read in the press and on shows like Fake Briton about dodgy Franchise schemes that have not been proven
On the other hand there is also a danger of Franchisee ripping you off and not paying your percentage for the considerable work required to build business but it does look to me that a Window Cleaning Franchise has a better chance to make a reasonable return for both parties and less hazzle than a maids type franchise scheme
I can see problems establishing a nationwide brand but should work well in a County or region as its more about round and business building, so if you can build a good canvass and leaflet team that just keeps going in theory the model is sound
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Ian Lancaster is the man for franchises.I guess the only reason Ian
Has`nt replied to this `thread`before now is that he`s done it all before,
Been there `got the `T shirt`so to speak.
Regarding franchises I`m no nearer at understanding them now as I was
In 1977 when I applied for a local franchise with ServiceMaster. ??? ???
Lewis Doubtfire
you old git! in 1977 the only franchise I had was on my mums nipple!
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Jesus...no wonder staff turnover in the cleaning industry is high.You are paying a bloke £1200 per month (20 days) to turnover £4000 for your business,honestly i cannot see for the life of me anyone who will stick around for that long term...am i missing something here??
It's the way of the world. Anyone paying the overhead on employing someone (running and insuring a van, dressing them, finding customers, paying for water and equipment, etc) is probably going to hand over about 30-35% of what they take in salary. I worked in IT sales for years and in one memorable year sold £48M worth of equipment - what % of turnover do you think I was taking home?
Vin
Well you obviously wasn't on a commission was you for sales turnover!!
What?
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Jesus...no wonder staff turnover in the cleaning industry is high.You are paying a bloke £1200 per month (20 days) to turnover £4000 for your business,honestly i cannot see for the life of me anyone who will stick around for that long term...am i missing something here??
you are looking at it through your eyes, not that of a person needing a job to pay thier bills £300 a week for an unskilled job plus bonuses at really that bad a deal for the millions that are unemployed ;)
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Dan
Personally I feel that what I pay in wages is fair for the work they do, at £60 for a 6 hour day, they could complete their round in 3 days and still be paid for 4.
also they have space and time to do extra work where they get paid 50% of what they clean.
so if they worked a 6 day week they could earn £500 to £700
and yes I will make a profit out of their labour which I have no problem with.
of course if they feel hard done by, then they need to get out there and start door knocking and build their own business up.
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So out of the 28,000 turnover.....22.5% franchise fee...less 22% tax.... :o
What do you expect after 3 months? The franchisee wouldn't be able to handle any more at this stage anyway. He has clearly stated the monthly turnover will rise well beyond 28k within the first year. Poke holes in it all you like but it can work well for both parties involved.
I have given up now, if I get a franchisee then great, if I don't then I will just employ more staff and give them the franchise after a years service.
and I like the bit about lowering my franchise fee because I haven't had one or proved that I can franchise a business.
So the next time a newbie comes on here saying they are going to start a window cleaning business, I expect to hear to words " well as you have never cleaned windows before and therefore have not proved yourself, you need to charge less than the other cleaners in your area" after you have built up a business to their level then you can charge more. ;D
With a attitude like this, do you wonder why you haven’t got a franchisee yet ;D
considering I have only been looking for a franchisee for the last 3 to 4 weeks, I have had a lot of emails and texts for futher information, so thats shows that people are interested in franchising.
Soon I will be dropping thousands of leaflets of the franchise deal, though letter boxes every week.
Its a simple matter of time before I get my 1st, 2nd, 3rd and so on
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so if you can build a good canvass and leaflet team that just keeps going in theory the model is sound
apart from my time door knocking for double glazing and other products, I did work for Homecare (Birmingham) in 1982, who had 2 teams of 4 door canvassers that got enough carpet, curtain and upholstery cleaning work to keep over 6 cleaners working full time.
Homecare paid their canvassers a basic plus commission and it worked, I will do the same, but window cleaning is a lot easier to get than carpet cleaning.
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Hydro
you have considerable experience at the hard end of Sales the part most want to avoid the Canvass
How do you keep teams motivated to go more than two hours at a time without constantly loosing them.
In other words what is the person specification for Good Canvassers
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Hydro
you have considerable experience at the hard end of Sales the part most want to avoid the Canvass
How do you keep teams motivated to go more than two hours at a time without constantly loosing them.
In other words what is the person specification for Good Canvassers
This is the hardest part, but I have learn't a lot over the years, the main one is treat the staff in the same way you would like to be treated if it was the other way round, be fair, fun to work for and generous.
When I worked at Homecare they paid a basic plus commsion of 25% of the sale, also every friday when we got back to the office and after we had finshed any telephone callbacks, the party started, the training room would be full of booze, beer, wine and sprits and there was no limit on what you could drink, after a couple of hours of this, the managers took us all out on the town before finshing off in the curry house.
I was 18 at the time and I would have paid them money to employ me.
They also ran many competitions on sales, not only was the winner who got the most sales in ££ but also prizes for the amount of customers you got, this one I liked the most, when I was there most of the canvassers wanted to knock the big and posh houses, I prefered the working class areas and council estates, when the others got a sale it would be for well over £100, with me most of my sales where in the region of £30.
But while they where knocking loads of houses and only getting in a few, I would be getting into loads of houses and picking up small but many jobs.
With my canvassers I will take them out and stay there while they knock, if they are having problems getting leads then I will door knock with them, or move to another area, you will be surprised on how you can get a different responce by moving a couple of streets away.
The other motivation will be money, I want them all to earn a fortune, because if they are doing so, then so am I.
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Was Homecare that cut price operation. What puzzles me the prices have stayed the same on the leaflet for as long as I can remember
Were they quoting £45 for a Suite in 1982
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Was Homecare that cut price operation. What puzzles me the prices have stayed the same on the leaflet for as long as I can remember
Were they quoting £45 for a Suite in 1982
It must be another Homecare, They did have a london office and the Birmingham one I worked at, they always had 2 prices, the regular price and the in the area price.
I once got a wingback chair for £70, on the carpet cleaning side their area price was 70p per sq yard and the normal price was Just over £1.
This was in 1980 1981, I don't know whether they are still in business or sold to another company.
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Dan
Personally I feel that what I pay in wages is fair for the work they do, at £60 for a 6 hour day, they could complete their round in 3 days and still be paid for 4.
also they have space and time to do extra work where they get paid 50% of what they clean.
so if they worked a 6 day week they could earn £500 to £700
and yes I will make a profit out of their labour which I have no problem with.
of course if they feel hard done by, then they need to get out there and start door knocking and build their own business up.
As i say,good luck,i love to see people succeed,but i am sorry to say that i dont understand your figures imo there are many numbers stated that just dont make sense and if i was a prospective franchisee i would be extremly worried and concerned about this,but that is probably why i am just a small time wc.... ;)
don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on.
All I have to worry about is getting 10 and half new customers each week who pay my minimum charge of £12, but of course I will get the £15, £20, £25 and higher priced jobs as well as the £12 ones so thats the pressure off me.
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So what's his weekly turnover on week 52?
By week four he's already on £575 week five he's on £700 week six he's on £825 by week seven he's earning £950
Hydro are you nuts?
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So what's his weekly turnover on week 52?
£962
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It goes up by £125 per week - look at your figures muppet!
"don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on."
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It goes up bt £125 per week - look at your figures dullest!
maths and reading are not your strongest skills are they dave.
If you READ what I have posted and not looked at the pretty pictures on the top of the web page, you will see that I promise to get them to a turnover of £50k per year by week 52.
Now for the hardest part, are you sitting comfortable and stop sucking your gums, £50000 divide by 52 equals £961.54
I have rounded it upto £962 because i am that type of guy, all heart and no bullpoop.
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Look at your figures you posted just now - they make no sense whatsoever. They won't earn £50,000 in the first year will they? Think about it.
They can't because they aren't on £1000 in the first week.
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I'll repeat your figures for you because you will have forgotten by now with that goldfish memory.
Here you go.
"don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on."
Even if you can get the work (and I doubt it) you can't promise a £50,000 turnover until year two.
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Dan
Personally I feel that what I pay in wages is fair for the work they do, at £60 for a 6 hour day, they could complete their round in 3 days and still be paid for 4.
also they have space and time to do extra work where they get paid 50% of what they clean.
so if they worked a 6 day week they could earn £500 to £700
and yes I will make a profit out of their labour which I have no problem with.
of course if they feel hard done by, then they need to get out there and start door knocking and build their own business up.
As i say,good luck,i love to see people succeed,but i am sorry to say that i dont understand your figures imo there are many numbers stated that just dont make sense and if i was a prospective franchisee i would be extremly worried and concerned about this,but that is probably why i am just a small time wc.... ;)
don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on.
All I have to worry about is getting 10 and half new customers each week who pay my minimum charge of £12, but of course I will get the £15, £20, £25 and higher priced jobs as well as the £12 ones so thats the pressure off me.
So according to your calculation by the 3 month your franchisee will take £1575 and going up. I think I will give up my job and become your franchisee .
Next year this time I be a millionaire ;D
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Look at your figures you posted just now - they make no sense whatsoever. They won't earn £50,000 in the first year will they? Think about it.
They can't because they aren't on £1000 in the first week.
Did I say that they would earn £50k in the 1st year, I SAID that I would get them UPTO £50k by the end of year 1.
I know it's a hard one to understand, but go with the flow, everyone else knows what it means.
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Dan
Personally I feel that what I pay in wages is fair for the work they do, at £60 for a 6 hour day, they could complete their round in 3 days and still be paid for 4.
also they have space and time to do extra work where they get paid 50% of what they clean.
so if they worked a 6 day week they could earn £500 to £700
and yes I will make a profit out of their labour which I have no problem with.
of course if they feel hard done by, then they need to get out there and start door knocking and build their own business up.
As i say,good luck,i love to see people succeed,but i am sorry to say that i dont understand your figures imo there are many numbers stated that just dont make sense and if i was a prospective franchisee i would be extremly worried and concerned about this,but that is probably why i am just a small time wc.... ;)
don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on.
All I have to worry about is getting 10 and half new customers each week who pay my minimum charge of £12, but of course I will get the £15, £20, £25 and higher priced jobs as well as the £12 ones so thats the pressure off me.
So according to your calculation by the 3 month your franchisee will take £1575 and going up. I think I will give up my job and become your franchisee .
Next year this time I be a millionaire ;D
no you won't
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Dan
Personally I feel that what I pay in wages is fair for the work they do, at £60 for a 6 hour day, they could complete their round in 3 days and still be paid for 4.
also they have space and time to do extra work where they get paid 50% of what they clean.
so if they worked a 6 day week they could earn £500 to £700
and yes I will make a profit out of their labour which I have no problem with.
of course if they feel hard done by, then they need to get out there and start door knocking and build their own business up.
As i say,good luck,i love to see people succeed,but i am sorry to say that i dont understand your figures imo there are many numbers stated that just dont make sense and if i was a prospective franchisee i would be extremly worried and concerned about this,but that is probably why i am just a small time wc.... ;)
don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on.
All I have to worry about is getting 10 and half new customers each week who pay my minimum charge of £12, but of course I will get the £15, £20, £25 and higher priced jobs as well as the £12 ones so thats the pressure off me.
So according to your calculation by the 3 month your franchisee will take £1575 and going up. I think I will give up my job and become your franchisee .
Next year this time I be a millionaire ;D
no you won't
so wont you give me the franchisee then ? why ? ;D ;D
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Dan
Personally I feel that what I pay in wages is fair for the work they do, at £60 for a 6 hour day, they could complete their round in 3 days and still be paid for 4.
also they have space and time to do extra work where they get paid 50% of what they clean.
so if they worked a 6 day week they could earn £500 to £700
and yes I will make a profit out of their labour which I have no problem with.
of course if they feel hard done by, then they need to get out there and start door knocking and build their own business up.
As i say,good luck,i love to see people succeed,but i am sorry to say that i dont understand your figures imo there are many numbers stated that just dont make sense and if i was a prospective franchisee i would be extremly worried and concerned about this,but that is probably why i am just a small time wc.... ;)
don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on.
All I have to worry about is getting 10 and half new customers each week who pay my minimum charge of £12, but of course I will get the £15, £20, £25 and higher priced jobs as well as the £12 ones so thats the pressure off me.
So according to your calculation by the 3 month your franchisee will take £1575 and going up. I think I will give up my job and become your franchisee .
Next year this time I be a millionaire ;D
no you won't
so wont you give me the franchisee then ? why ? ;D ;D
You also failed the simple reading and maths test, and they say that the kids nowadays are thick
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Dan
Personally I feel that what I pay in wages is fair for the work they do, at £60 for a 6 hour day, they could complete their round in 3 days and still be paid for 4.
also they have space and time to do extra work where they get paid 50% of what they clean.
so if they worked a 6 day week they could earn £500 to £700
and yes I will make a profit out of their labour which I have no problem with.
of course if they feel hard done by, then they need to get out there and start door knocking and build their own business up.
As i say,good luck,i love to see people succeed,but i am sorry to say that i dont understand your figures imo there are many numbers stated that just dont make sense and if i was a prospective franchisee i would be extremly worried and concerned about this,but that is probably why i am just a small time wc.... ;)
don't worry about the figures, all the franchisee needs to see is on week 1 he has cleaned £200 of windows, on week 2 he has cleaned £325 on week 3 he has cleaned £450 and so on.
All I have to worry about is getting 10 and half new customers each week who pay my minimum charge of £12, but of course I will get the £15, £20, £25 and higher priced jobs as well as the £12 ones so thats the pressure off me.
So according to your calculation by the 3 month your franchisee will take £1575 and going up. I think I will give up my job and become your franchisee .
Next year this time I be a millionaire ;D
no you won't
so wont you give me the franchisee then ? why ? ;D ;D
You also failed the simple reading and maths test, and they say that the kids nowadays are thick
If you try to sell your franchisee on here you need to get your facts and figures right, otherwise you only make a full of yourself.
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Go on then where are my wrong facts and figures
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Hi Dan
I know you are not taking the pee and I do welcome yours and all others feedback.
My franchise deal is the same that Ian Lancaster does and has suceeded in, Ian has also sold his deal to other cleaners who have also suceeded in getting 1 or more franchisees.
All of these franchisors offer they same deal, but a few have small differences, some in the purchase price and other small details but the main structure of Ians deal is the same.
So now we have a franchise package that does work with different individuals, so its not something that is unique to Ian.
On all the deals the franchisee is allocated £10k of work on day one and £500 of new work is added to their round every month, until they reach a yearly turnover of £50k.
Of course if the franchisee wants and can cope with more work then he/she will be given more, if not and they are happy with £50k per year then the added work will stop once they reach the £50k barrier or £962 per week.
I don't know what training the other franchisors offer but when I take on new staff they go though a training programme of 3 months, I see no reason why a franchisee should be any different.
Also where I may differ from the others is that I loan the franchisee a member of my staff to train them up, this is not a very expensive thing if you look that with my setup I have a daily worksheet for 1 person set at £200 per day and with 2 this rises to £300.
So on week 1 the franchisee only works 1 day a week on cleaning, on week 2 a 2 day week and so on, by the time they get upto £962, the franchisee will be working 4 days a week.
All of this is just based on domestic work, my commercial side is higher.
Contrary to what a lot might think of me, I don't move forward with anything untill I have all the facts, this franchising is a long term in the making, me and Ian was talking by phone, email and text for over 3 years before I have given it the green light.
Last year I was ready to start my first one, but something can up which needed it to be postponed, this has been recified and I am now in the position to start my first of many franchisees.
A potential franchisee has to be sure that all that I say will work, and for that reason I also offer a buy before you try, so for 4 weeks before they have parted with any money they will work with me, they will see their customers, they will clean their windows, they will see what I charge and earn per day, per week and per hour.
I will also show them aworka which has recorded every day I have worked for the last 12 months or more, to prove that I am not stacking all the work up into 1 month.
the next question they and others have asked is why franchise, why not expand with more staff and earn more.
There are 2 answers to this question, the first is Vat, the limit at the moment is £77k and then I lose 20% of my turnover minus what i can claim back, say 8%.
The other is getting the right staff, I have severe quality issues and even though you can get good workers, its not their business and they don't have the passion for it that I do, a franchisee is different, they have invested a lot of money, its their business now, so now they will have passion.
This is my thinking, will I get a franchisee, yes I will, will I get them to the level I said I will, yes I will, will I then expand into more franchisees then yes I will. will everyone believe this
NOT ON YOUR LIFE
these are the same people who said in a previous life that Christopher Columbus would fall off the edge of the world, when he went on his trip to the new world.
Do I care, not really because if they thought I was a "willy waver" before, imagine what I am going to be like when I get to franchise number 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 or even more, I will even pay for tv adverts just to p them off.
and Vanvest will be fun then, I do hope they have a very large van park ;D