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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: ben smith1234 on September 11, 2012, 12:24:16 pm
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i bought the renault traffic off this guy called KRAVE on here friday asked if there was any problem with the van and all that was said problem wise with the van was. parking sensors not working, heater control not working and batch of paint that had been resprayed that isnt that noticeable.
patch off paint is noticeable clearly, but the 3 things above i can live with thats not a problem... BUT........
took van to garage today and heres a shopping list of parts that need replacing-
-rear bumper corner split
-rear light broke
-needs new gearbox as grinding and wont select reverse gear
-new clutch as its slipping
- 2x track rod ends
-2x lower arm ball joints
-2x front tyres down to the metal on inner edge
the 3 above was recorded as an advisory on mot in january but never replace!!!!
- has an electrical fault meaning as you put your fut down on the throttle it doesnt rev.
as i bought this went to drive off and it would rev for 5 mins but then eventually started revving. i took this as a simple thing as a one off thing .......but now the van wont rev at all.
so tbf as you can imagine i am furious as was never told there was anymore problems than the 3 mentioned at top of page. so 3 days after paying £3500 for the van im having to spend a fortune to get it back running. no wonder he said he needed to get rid of it quickly!!!!!!
I could of bough a van for the same price with 1 minor problem which would of cost me £50 to repair. but i promised him i would have this van under the impression there was 3 things minor wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i don't see you've been ripped off, you had the chance to check the van over before buying it.
you could have had a garage give it a once over first.
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Did you not look the van over and test drive it first seems a few of the things mentioned would have been spotted like tyres, broken bumper rear light and I would of thought you would have checked previous mots and advisory slips, can understand why your peed off but by the sound of it you didn't really look it over properly.
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Yep, you've bought a load of crap. Some of those faults are nothing. The big ones you should have been able to spot yourself - did you not test drive it? Gearboxes are notorious on older vans.
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Unless Krave tried to hide any faults (and not disclosing faults is not classed as hiding them), then it's Caveat emptor, I'm afraid (buyer beware).
So I don't think you've been ripped off, not in any legal sense anyway.
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However Krave may think that you have committed the civil crime of defamation of character...
The law is funny sometimes isn't it??
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Could you post pictures of the problems, say the tyres, on here?
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Did you not look the van over and test drive it first seems a few of the things mentioned would have been spotted like tyres, broken bumper rear light and I would of thought you would have checked previous mots and advisory slips, can understand why your peed off but by the sound of it you didn't really look it over properly.
I'm with p1w1 on this. I worked in the motor trade for many years and some purchasers were just too eager to part with their cash.
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While in general the accepted unwritten rule is 'buyer beware' this has no basis in law. If you sell a vehicle whether privately or get it trade, the seller is obligated in law to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy (mot passable is the generally accepted definition although other factors do come into it) whether sold with an mot or not. Most of us, as we maybe have little knowledge of vehicles, rely on the honesty of the seller to inform us of problems (which they are obligated to do, it is there responsibility to know the exact condition of what they are selling and to give full disclosure of such.)
The following is part of the law...
'The Road Traffic Act makes it illegal for anyone to sell a car that is not roadworthy. This applies equally to private sellers and car dealers. Anyone who sells an unroadworthy car may be prosecuted and fined £5000. If you are found driving an unroadworthy car, you can also get points on your driving licence, and even be fined.
If you've been sold an unroadworthy car, you can get the seller to put the problem right. You can also report them to Trading Standards, who may take action against them.'
Look it up if you would like more info. I feel for you, I too have been ripped off (although I would not label krave with this term as I don't know him and his intent with regard to this) with a car I bought. I scrapped it as it wasn't an economical repair and I wasn't aware of my rights in law at the time.
You would have to have an engineer assess the vehicle and if shown to be unroadworthy you can take the seller to court although you first need to give the seller the opportunity to rectify the problems.
The 'buyer beware' principal is good in that it can save us a lot of trouble if we get the vehicle assessed before buying. Honest sellers will not usually mind the vehicle being looked over by a professional. Well worth paying a bit for a pro to look at it if spending a lot. If I'd payed 1000s then I'd take action to sort it out.
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Sorry mate but nobody in their right mind , buys a second hand van or car without checking it over throughly and test driving it . Mike
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While in general the accepted unwritten rule is 'buyer beware' this has no basis in law. If you sell a vehicle whether privately or get it trade, the seller is obligated in law to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy (mot passable is the generally accepted definition although other factors do come into it) whether sold with an mot or not. Most of us, as we maybe have little knowledge of vehicles, rely on the honesty of the seller to inform us of problems (which they are obligated to do, it is there responsibility to know the exact condition of what they are selling and to give full disclosure of such.)
The following is part of the law...
'The Road Traffic Act makes it illegal for anyone to sell a car that is not roadworthy. This applies equally to private sellers and car dealers. Anyone who sells an unroadworthy car may be prosecuted and fined £5000. If you are found driving an unroadworthy car, you can also get points on your driving licence, and even be fined.
If you've been sold an unroadworthy car, you can get the seller to put the problem right. You can also report them to Trading Standards, who may take action against them.'
Look it up if you would like more info. I feel for you, I too have been ripped off (although I would not label krave with this term as I don't know him and his intent with regard to this) with a car I bought. I scrapped it as it wasn't an economical repair and I wasn't aware of my rights in law at the time.
You would have to have an engineer assess the vehicle and if shown to be unroadworthy you can take the seller to court although you first need to give the seller the opportunity to rectify the problems.
The 'buyer beware' principal is good in that it can save us a lot of trouble if we get the vehicle assessed before buying. Honest sellers will not usually mind the vehicle being looked over by a professional. Well worth paying a bit for a pro to look at it if spending a lot. If I'd payed 1000s then I'd take action to sort it out.
I noticed you mised out the bit about "the price paid... and the conditions of sale... If he was made aware that defects were on the vehicle then he accepted the quality of the goods that were for sale. Mabe the seller would like a second opinion on the purchasers 'Mechanic' as to what was defective. Mabe the 'Mechanic' was ripping him off as well!
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Did you pick the van up in the middle of the night? Surely you would of spotted half of the extra things wrong with the van by just walking around it? You should of just said no thanks and drove home
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I agree with most that you should have got the van checked over,however it does seem that he hasn't given you a true description of the van,why don't you ask him for your money back,if he refuses,he has been named and shamed.
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what if he didn't know those problems where there.
my van when't in for its MOT last year cost me £400, this year cost me £6.
both times drove exactly the same, and seemed fine both times.
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what if he didn't know those problems where there.
my van when't in for its MOT last year cost me £400, this year cost me £6.
both times drove exactly the same, and seemed fine both times.
I'm sure he would be aware of the grinding and the difficulty getting into reverse,also the problem with the revs.If you read the OP there was advisorys on the last MOT in January and nothin has been fixed,so the seller was fully aware of some of the faults.
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I'm sorry, but this is your own fault. MOT advisories do not have to be carried out, I've had cars that crop up with the same advisory for years before it needs replacing, what one garage picks up on, another garage might not. As for the bumper and rear light, you should have spotted these, and the crunching gear you should have picked up on a test drive.
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agree with lee on this one, you should have checked over the van yourself before parting with your cash, i mean come on tyres with wire showing?? are you blind?
vivaro's are money pits when they are old sounds like your better off weighing yours in
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met him halfway at a service station,was dark by the time he got to me cus there was a accident on the motorway when he was 15 mins away. i was only told that it had mot and ran out in january and the van hasnt been driven for 9 months. you cant exactly test drive in a service station can park and i didnt need to use reverse gear until i got home and it wouldnt select then started grinding. tyres are good for tread on the outside and centre so didnt see them down to the wire on the inner edge
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i was only told about the 3 problems as said above,,,, parking sensor, heater control, paint miscoloured
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What idiot buys a van without viewing first. Sold as seen. Your own fault krave must have been waiting for a mug to buy van and you was it sadly.
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What idiot buys a van without viewing first. Sold as seen. Your own fault krave must have been waiting for a mug to buy van and you was it sadly.
yes mick kent he did take advantage. he knew i had my 7 month old son with me as we had nobody to look after him. how was i supposed to give the van a good looking over when little one was screaming due to waiting at a service station for over 2 hours!!
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sold as seen is not the case when you have knowingly hidden the knowlege about problems with the van
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QyVil0dwhk
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Well if your not happy go and batter him. I wouldnt let any1 mug me off like that. Im sorry to hear you made a big mistake not thourough checking, krave sounds a crook but sadly your also the mug who fell for it. Force your money back from him or wave goodbye to it. I know what id do!!!. Good luck
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I would contact him & "ask" for your money back first before maybe taking legal advice/action. ;)
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i was only told about the 3 problems as said above,,,, parking sensor, heater control, paint miscoloured
Look Ben - I understand your angst but:-
Have you gone back to "KRAVE" and "explained your concerns and given him an opportunity to put things right?"
That is step one.
Step two depends on how step one turns out ...
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i have rang and txt him but with no answer or reply
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i have rang and txt him but with no answer or reply
Step 2 then... Send the boys round
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He did knock £300 off the price for something though! So what was the negotiation for that discount?
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also forgot to add ... he said he had to have the cylinder head fully reconditioned and the cylinder head was acid dipped.... what a load of b******s... the reciptes for the work on cylinder head could not be found anywhere
for £3500 for a 56plate with 112k on clock he said, was actually 115k
for the price im having to pay i could of got alot newer van
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So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.
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he knocked £300 off because he was desperate to sell and i only had a budget of £3500
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surely you have his address from the log book, if it was me i would be taking a drive down there to confront him and if he's not going to play ball then look into what you can do legally and see where you stand.
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Hang on a minute, have I misread this (I do sometimes) but did you say the mot ran out in January last?
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unfotunately i think you have just been dealt an expensive lesson.i hope you
get your money back! :-\
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He is on line now.
Perhaps he will give his side.
This is his description.
I have some stuff from my window cleaning. Have not worked in ages due to illness and now selling all my old equipment.
Not sure on prices, Will have a look around and update thread. Hope this is not against rules. But offers or calls/texts are welcome.
I have 2 flojet pumps, and controllers.
2 x 100m 6mm i think hoses on reels.
1 x 350 litre tank. Had a whole, put a screw in it with some silicone, and was fine.
1 slx 25, 1 of gardiners cheaper mixed poles (cant rememebr model) (red in colour) 20ft i think.
40 40 ro, big pre filters and massive resin canister.
Will need new resin, was coming out at 2ppm, which would somehow drop to 0 once been sitting in tank.
havent checked the ro condition, but was working fine until end of last year, not got a tds meter to check and like i say havent worked.
titan 3.5m double ladder,
email is kharnd@googlemail.com
phone is 07401565564 if you would like to text.
Also have a 56 reg renault trafic, 114000 miles. Fully rebuilt/recon head, water pump timing kit. This went on me 6 months ago. Done about 4000 miles since.
Van is nice, ply lines and wall carpeted in back. Think it had a almost full if not full service history, need to find paperwork.
mot jan, tax none.
very nice looking van, bar a slight respray on rear quarter. me being picky, not really noticeable, and the van does look v nice.
again call me if interested
3800 ono
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So they both drove a van with no tax, no mot and no doubt no insurance, Sorry, but all of a sudden - I couldn't care less ::)
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While in general the accepted unwritten rule is 'buyer beware' this has no basis in law. If you sell a vehicle whether privately or get it trade, the seller is obligated in law to ensure the vehicle is roadworthy (mot passable is the generally accepted definition although other factors do come into it) whether sold with an mot or not. Most of us, as we maybe have little knowledge of vehicles, rely on the honesty of the seller to inform us of problems (which they are obligated to do, it is there responsibility to know the exact condition of what they are selling and to give full disclosure of such.)
The following is part of the law...
'The Road Traffic Act makes it illegal for anyone to sell a car that is not roadworthy. This applies equally to private sellers and car dealers. Anyone who sells an unroadworthy car may be prosecuted and fined £5000. If you are found driving an unroadworthy car, you can also get points on your driving licence, and even be fined.
If you've been sold an unroadworthy car, you can get the seller to put the problem right. You can also report them to Trading Standards, who may take action against them.'
Look it up if you would like more info. I feel for you, I too have been ripped off (although I would not label krave with this term as I don't know him and his intent with regard to this) with a car I bought. I scrapped it as it wasn't an economical repair and I wasn't aware of my rights in law at the time.
You would have to have an engineer assess the vehicle and if shown to be unroadworthy you can take the seller to court although you first need to give the seller the opportunity to rectify the problems.
The 'buyer beware' principal is good in that it can save us a lot of trouble if we get the vehicle assessed before buying. Honest sellers will not usually mind the vehicle being looked over by a professional. Well worth paying a bit for a pro to look at it if spending a lot. If I'd payed 1000s then I'd take action to sort it out.
Sorry but the above.comment is absolute rubbish. Please do not take any notice.
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take it your not going van fest to show your van off :'( :'( :'( :'(
sorry it looks like this guys had you mate i wouldnt know how to advise you but i know what i would certainly do id drive the van right thru his living room window and write it off and get your money back that way
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Feel sorry for you chap no one likes to feel robbed :( even if you should of taken someone with you and maybe gone at the weekend in the day?
I think a few on here have got the wrong end of the stick regarding the m.o.t?? It says on the ad - m.o.t Jan? To me that means it ends in Jan 2013??
Also, Think he's flogging a few bits on eBay (4040 etc..) search for 4040 RO - might be able to get hold him that way??
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take it your not going van fest to show your van off :'( :'( :'( :'(
sorry it looks like this guys had you mate i wouldnt know how to advise you but i know what i would certainly do id drive the van right thru his living room window and write it off and get your money back that way
must remember never to sell Richy a van or anything used ;D
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So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.
Agreed, and doesn't help with mouthy morons saying they wouldn't let anyone mug them off etc.
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Oh come on, what sort of a person does a deal in the dark, in a service station? Dodgy or what?
Llive and learn
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Sorry to hear about the problems Ben... But you don't have any legal come back, its a private sale - sold as seen.
Why didn't you go to his house to view the van? If it had got dark you couldn't have tested it properly you should have just turned round and gone home?
Andy
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So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.
Agreed, and doesn't help with mouthy morons saying they wouldn't let anyone mug them off etc.
just saying how it is. im guessing you would do the same thing then and get mugged off and buy in the dark withought checking everything is how it should be???. maybe your a moron??? are you???
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no excuse for selling a vehicle with illegal tyres,especially as already warned at mot time they were needing looked at
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no excuse for selling a vehicle with illegal tyres,especially as already warned at mot time they were needing looked at
Lol there's every excuse,why replace if your selling,totally the buyers fault,tyres can be checked,just by hand,a few simple checks ,besides all that if you don't test drive or sit in for a drive round ,your taking a chance ,you handed the cash over as you were happy with the goods,don't come moaning once your home too late,at least you won't do it again.
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I have some sympathy, I bought a Movano 2 years ago. Seemed ok drove well for 8 weeks until the engine blew up.
Lost me £2000 in the end.
Expensive lesson. Now I always take someone with me and don't rush any purchase.
I think buying a van after dark from a service station with no tax or insurance is just daft though.
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So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.
Agreed, and doesn't help with mouthy morons saying they wouldn't let anyone mug them off etc.
just saying how it is. im guessing you would do the same thing then and get mugged off and buy in the dark withought checking everything is how it should be???. maybe your a moron??? are you???
Nope I definitely am not. I feel the OP was naive and a bit fool hardy (by the way OP means original poster) but interweb loud mouths bragging about how clever they are really doesn't help anyone. Do you think it does?
PS Why do you try to sound like a gangsta with your "mugged off" nonsense?
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i payed for it to be taxed and i was fully insured. as said i was there waiting when it was still light outside and he turned up when it was getting dark. i really needed a van that day as i had alot of work on that had to be done. now i have had to cancel alot of my work because i cant get to them!!!
im not out after sympathy im just putting my word accross as you wouldnt expected a trusted member to rip you off !!
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So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.
Agreed, and doesn't help with mouthy morons saying they wouldn't let anyone mug them off etc.
just saying how it is. im guessing you would do the same thing then and get mugged off and buy in the dark withought checking everything is how it should be???. maybe your a moron??? are you???
Nope I definitely am not. I feel the OP was naive and a bit fool hardy (by the way OP means original poster) but interweb loud mouths bragging about how clever they are really doesn't help anyone. Do you think it does?
PS Why do you try to sound like a gangsta with your "mugged off" nonsense?
is one starting another argument by anychance ;D
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I have some sympathy, I bought a Movano 2 years ago. Seemed ok drove well for 8 weeks until the engine blew up.
Lost me £2000 in the end.
Expensive lesson. Now I always take someone with me and don't rush any purchase.
I think buying a van after dark from a service station with no tax or insurance is just daft though.
you could take someone with you all you want, there is no way of knowing an engine is going to go in 8 weeks time,
as for the OP what an idiot sorry handing over 3.5k for a van with no MOT or tax in a carpark, total madness
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whatever way you look at it, nobody expects to pay 3500 and get a shed load of trouble.
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whats that old saying...always expect the unexpected
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Jesus! there are some twats on this site nowadays. The guy has bought a van in good faith, got there early only to be told the seller is running late because of an accident (which i believe to be an excuse from the seller so it can get dark). Crying 2 year old in tow so he can't do a thorough check.
Yes, in hindsight he should have done things differently but give the man a break, he's been sticthed up for £3500, the last thing he needs is morons rubbing it in. A bit of advice on the proper channels to take (if any) to get his money back are what he needs.
Good luck!
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The word numptys in my post was an auto edit for something a lot harsher
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dont know why your on here moaning about it go 2 his house and sort it out !!
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So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.
Agreed, and doesn't help with mouthy morons saying they wouldn't let anyone mug them off etc.
just saying how it is. im guessing you would do the same thing then and get mugged off and buy in the dark withought checking everything is how it should be???. maybe your a moron??? are you???
Nope I definitely am not. I feel the OP was naive and a bit fool hardy (by the way OP means original poster) but interweb loud mouths bragging about how clever they are really doesn't help anyone. Do you think it does?
PS Why do you try to sound like a gangsta with your "mugged off" nonsense?
is one starting another argument by anychance ;D
No, sounds like you might be stirring tho ;D
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I think he came on here knowing full well the derision that he would suffer, to let other people know that despite being friendly on here....You cannot trust all members to be honest....
He was trying to help other windys to not make the same mistake he did.
And what does he get for his help eh??
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Ben,
I genuinely feel sorry for you, and I am not going to put the boot in.
Legally, I don't know where you stand on this, although my guess is 'Caveat Emptor'. You could try going to citizens advice bureau and see if they can give you any guidance.
If it transpires that there is nothing you can do legally, then take it as a lesson from the school of hard knocks. If it is of any comfort to you, I for one have bought some royal lemons in the past when I should have known better.
Best wishes,
John
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Legaly you have no chance,despite what is set in print fron the law,as soon as you mention you bought a van in the dark,no test drive ,your be laughed out of court ,please see the fact,You ripped yourself off.......
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So Ben has been a bit naive and trusted a member on this site,the last thing he needs after probably losing a lot of dosh is to be told he is an idiot etc etc.
Agreed, and doesn't help with mouthy morons saying they wouldn't let anyone mug them off etc.
just saying how it is. im guessing you would do the same thing then and get mugged off and buy in the dark withought checking everything is how it should be???. maybe your a moron??? are you???
Nope I definitely am not. I feel the OP was naive and a bit fool hardy (by the way OP means original poster) but interweb loud mouths bragging about how clever they are really doesn't help anyone. Do you think it does?
PS Why do you try to sound like a gangsta with your "mugged off" nonsense?
You need to get with the times. How is saying mugged off gangsta talk. Ok how about someone through a ton of bricks at him. I hope that doesnt offend. I actualy feel sorry for him but end of the day who else but himself is to blame??
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their are honest people in this world .and their are rip off merchents . you have just met .mr .rip off .
let this be a lesson to all of us
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Sorry to hear all this Ben, no one decent likes to see someone get burnt. Like been said before if your not prepared to take Krave on for all this, just learn from it, be sharper next time, much sharper. Unfortunately there's always someone out there ready to have you over. Also don't be so keen to buy because they are so keen to sell, if you have doubts and just want to get it garage checked, wait. If it sells in the meantime - it wasn't meant to be. Many more vans out there.
Anyway best of luck sorting it out.
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did you not see this? http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=156671.0
i'm selling a mint 45k miles vauxhall combo van with a 350l set up for what you paid for that bag of nails!
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You can't trust anyone when it comes to money.. I feel for you mate and I hope you manage to get in touch with him..
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you are protected under the sale of goods act 1979, vehicle must be free from fault (asides from declared or known faults) any subsequent mechanical fault discovered within six months of the sale is deemed to have been present and undeclared at the time of sale and therefore is rectifiable at the expense of the seller.
You must adhere to procedure. Give the seller notification and opportunity to rectify faults, if no contact then you can have them rectified and pursue the seller via the small claims court for costs. Cost of doing this will be around 50-100 pounds. In my humble opinion your case is quite strong as the seller published his/her opinion of the vehicle on this forum and is therefore in the public domain rather than being merely a verbal assurance.
Note though a justifiable claim against the seller is only as good as his/her status, should they be bankrupt or"of no fixed abode" this will be a pointless exercise.
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take it your not going van fest to show your van off :'( :'( :'( :'(
sorry it looks like this guys had you mate i wouldnt know how to advise you but i know what i would certainly do id drive the van right thru his living room window and write it off and get your money back that way
must remember never to sell Richy a van or anything used ;D
Uh oh, he's got my old Berlingo!!! ;D
Good bloke though, he came all the way from Liverpool to Guildford on the train to pick it up.
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you are protected under the sale of goods act 1979, vehicle must be free from fault (asides from declared or known faults) any subsequent mechanical fault discovered within six months of the sale is deemed to have been present and undeclared at the time of sale and therefore is rectifiable at the expense of the seller.
You must adhere to procedure. Give the seller notification and opportunity to rectify faults, if no contact then you can have them rectified and pursue the seller via the small claims court for costs. Cost of doing this will be around 50-100 pounds. In my humble opinion your case is quite strong as the seller published his/her opinion of the vehicle on this forum and is therefore in the public domain rather than being merely a verbal assurance.
Note though a justifiable claim against the seller is only as good as his/her status, should they be bankrupt or"of no fixed abode" this will be a pointless exercise.
really most of the faults are normal wear and tear and can happen at any time
track rod ends the seller doesn't have to know about, tyres inner wall the same, ball joints the same, brake light yes, damage to bumper cosmetic, paint job cosmetic, gearbox not sure, don't think it would fail a MOT for grinding, clutch wear and tear, it has 115k on the clock and was sold with no MOT (i think that bit is a bit unclear to me)
he has in no doubt been bumped for 3.5k but to buy a van with that mileage is just well, very silly
sorry and I feel for the poster, but you live and learn
and there is nothing to stop the seller saying he advised verbally before sale
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I have some sympathy, I bought a Movano 2 years ago. Seemed ok drove well for 8 weeks until the engine blew up.
Lost me £2000 in the end.
Expensive lesson. Now I always take someone with me and don't rush any purchase.
I think buying a van after dark from a service station with no tax or insurance is just daft though.
you could take someone with you all you want, there is no way of knowing an engine is going to go in 8 weeks time,
as for the OP what an idiot sorry handing over 3.5k for a van with no MOT or tax in a carpark, total madness
the van had tax and mot :S mot runs out january
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sorry ben, me jumping to wrong conclusions as usual, I do feel for you mate, and at least I know never to do business with Krave
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just because they are in the same business as yourself this is no reason to trust anyone selling items through this site., may i sugest the site not allow to sell vehicles send them to ebay. there are a lot of newbies turning to sites like this one, they can be so gullable and naive to someone who is more experienced. there is a lot of genuine collegues on this site, i got myself a good deal on this site , i otherwise would not have got. you are the buyer, no signed contract , buy as seen, to loose a few hundred is depressing but to loose a few thousand and have to spend more is aaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh. its a learning process in life. you can acidently run him over with his dodgy van, loosing controll, ::) ::) ;D
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Ben
I am not too sure on the law regarding your purchase, but the first person you need to call is your local trading standards office, email them a copy of the advert and they will be able to advise on the course of actions open to you.
Personally I am not too sure whether Krave has on purpose ripped you off, he did state at first that he has not worked for months because of ill health, with this as a factor he might be unaware on the condition of the van.
Personally I would have gone to his address and explained that the van had more faults than was originally stated and try and come to a soluction that will work for both of you, ie, he gets the van repaired or refund you the cost of the repairs.
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Legaly you have no chance,despite what is set in print fron the law,as soon as you mention you bought a van in the dark,no test drive ,your be laughed out of court ,please see the fact,You ripped yourself off.......
Another really helpfull post,the OP must be goin through a terrible time over this,and the best you can do is tell him he ripped himself off........what a muppet >:(
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you are protected under the sale of goods act 1979, vehicle must be free from fault (asides from declared or known faults) any subsequent mechanical fault discovered within six months of the sale is deemed to have been present and undeclared at the time of sale and therefore is rectifiable at the expense of the seller.
You must adhere to procedure. Give the seller notification and opportunity to rectify faults, if no contact then you can have them rectified and pursue the seller via the small claims court for costs. Cost of doing this will be around 50-100 pounds. In my humble opinion your case is quite strong as the seller published his/her opinion of the vehicle on this forum and is therefore in the public domain rather than being merely a verbal assurance.
Note though a justifiable claim against the seller is only as good as his/her status, should they be bankrupt or"of no fixed abode" this will be a pointless exercise.
Sorry but the above is not correct. The sale of goods act 1979, in relation to being free from faults, only relates to items being sold in the course of a business.
There may be another argument regarding the representations made by the seller:
Also have a 56 reg renault trafic, 114000 miles. Fully rebuilt/recon head, water pump timing kit. This went on me 6 months ago. Done about 4000 miles since.
Van is nice, ply lines and wall carpeted in back. Think it had a almost full if not full service history, need to find paperwork.
mot jan, tax none.
very nice looking van, bar a slight respray on rear quarter. me being picky, not really noticeable, and the van does look v nice.
The 'Van is nice' comment may have been a comment as to how it looked and not whether it was mechanically sound. As said above, some of the bad points may not have been noticed by the seller so to call them out as a 'rip off merchant' is taking it a bit far.
As others have said, it sounds like your desperation to get a van, coupled with trusting the comments from the seller, have led you to buying a van without the all-important inspection and test drive; even then things can be missed.
Try to get hold of the seller to see if you can agree some compromise - if not then I think you will have a hard time convincing a court that the fault lies with the seller and not you.
Sorry
Tom
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ok i accept the op has been a bit daft and im sure he will learn from it and not make the same mistake again, none of us are perfect.
However he bought the vehicle in good faith according to the description,foolish not to check it -yes certainly, but this krave character clearly would have known about most of these faults and is now not answering his phone.
what sort of a-hole lets someone drive their two year old child away in a van that he knows is unroadworthy?
tyres down to the metal?
Blow out waiting to happen.
if he had driven away ,his tyre burst and he had an accident causing injury or even death would people on here still be slagging the op off , calling him stupid etc?
only my opinion and i dont know this krave but he sounds like selfish nasty con artist to me.
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I'd ask for a refund based on buying in good faith based on the advertised description.
If not, and I've done this in the past and successfully after buying a duff car, I'd go through the small claims court.
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Just out of curiosity, you drove halfway to meet him at a service station with your 2yr old ?
How did you get the van back to your house?
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point taken Bay View, you could well be right on the business aspect, apologies, P
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One of the fundamental rules of buying a secondhand vehicle is to see it at the owners address, the one registered on the V5.
See DVLA guidelines.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/AdviceOnBuyingAndSellingAVehicle/DG_4022402
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/@motor/documents/digitalasset/dg_186824.pdf
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im not out after sympathy im just putting my word accross as you wouldnt expected a trusted member to rip you off !!
When I joined I didnt have to pass any character reference check from what I recall ? ... just cos were on here it dont mean were trusted
however I think you need to lock this thread and speak to guy directly ... no answer to phone call then get down to his home address but think u be pishing in the wind ... put it down to experiance and move on.
btw I think he has stuffed you but you allowed him to do it ... from what you have posted.
good luck !
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Legaly you have no chance,despite what is set in print fron the law,as soon as you mention you bought a van in the dark,no test drive ,your be laughed out of court ,please see the fact,You ripped yourself off.......
Another really helpfull post,the OP must be goin through a terrible time over this,and the best you can do is tell him he ripped himself off........what a muppet >:(
Agreed, yet another loud mouthed moron >:(
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he must have known it was a bad van because he ain't been on to defend himself . if I had sold it I would have defended myself by now where is he must be in hiding
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Legaly you have no chance,despite what is set in print fron the law,as soon as you mention you bought a van in the dark,no test drive ,your be laughed out of court ,please see the fact,You ripped yourself off.......
Another really helpfull post,the OP must be goin through a terrible time over this,and the best you can do is tell him he ripped himself off........what a muppet >:(
Agreed, yet another loud mouthed moron >:(
I bet your wife loves you.. Mr interesting saying the same sentances over and over.
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you are protected under the sale of goods act 1979, vehicle must be free from fault (asides from declared or known faults) any subsequent mechanical fault discovered within six months of the sale is deemed to have been present and undeclared at the time of sale and therefore is rectifiable at the expense of the seller.
You must adhere to procedure. Give the seller notification and opportunity to rectify faults, if no contact then you can have them rectified and pursue the seller via the small claims court for costs. Cost of doing this will be around 50-100 pounds. In my humble opinion your case is quite strong as the seller published his/her opinion of the vehicle on this forum and is therefore in the public domain rather than being merely a verbal assurance.
Note though a justifiable claim against the seller is only as good as his/her status, should they be bankrupt or"of no fixed abode" this will be a pointless exercise.
The Sale of Goods Act won't cover him on this as it was a Private Sale. And that means that the part where it says ..goods must be of merchantable quality .. or fit for purpose. Don't count.
Buyers Beware.
This is the reason that there is a diferance between Trade sale and a Private sale.
Gray1
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
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why hasnt krave come on to stick up for himself , if hes inocent you would think he would be defending himself , not hiding , and ben i tend not to trust many people , but on clean it up i would expect the person to be decent as you did , unlucky mate hope you get a decent break soon :'( :'(
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does he still come on here! he might not even know this post is running
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He was on here twice last night.
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says it all then really
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Sorry To heary you have been ripped off,.... its his fault for selling you a pile of poop , and your fault for buying it without checking anything out....
You have v5 documents, so you know where he lives... call and see him and discuss the issues rather than waste time on here moaning about how you were ripped off.
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don't listen to anyone who tells you to lock this thread. Putting it up is a good thing and it would be good to know how this plays out.
Good luck.
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud and proud the answer is probably yes.
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Just out of curiosity, you drove halfway to meet him at a service station with your 2yr old ?
How did you get the van back to your house?
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Just out of curiosity, you drove halfway to meet him at a service station with your 2yr old ?
How did you get the van back to your house?
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If you dont understand the question - He must of took someone with him? Or the 2yr old drove his car back while he drove the van?
If it was his wife/partner, there's no way mine would of let me part with a wad of cash in the dark ;D
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud and proud the answer is probably yes.
He has not been conned though has he?,he done the deed,he didn't check things out ,no one stopped him,I don't. agree with con men who plan to mug people off by being devious ,I stick and stand by that he ripped himself off.......not nice but true,
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud and proud the answer is probably yes.
He has not been conned though has he?,he done the deed,he didn't check things out ,no one stopped him,I don't. agree with con men who plan to mug people off by being devious ,I stick and stand by that he ripped himself off.......not nice but true,
Well in my eyes the seller was devious,as the false description of the van proves.A hope you have read the opening post properly this time,you made a real James Hunt o yersel the last time you tried to get wide.
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Just out of curiosity, you drove halfway to meet him at a service station with your 2yr old ?
How did you get the van back to your house?
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If you dont understand the question - He must of took someone with him? Or the 2yr old drove his car back while he drove the van?
If it was his wife/partner, there's no way mine would of let me part with a wad of cash in the dark ;D
Easy tiger.I just bumped your question 8)
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud and proud the answer is probably yes.
Exactly, another mouthy moron. Lots of them around it seems. Magic moments and mick Kent both sound very loud indeed! Also, they are morons.
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud
and proud the answer is probably yes.
Exactly, another mouthy moron. Lots of them around it seems. Magic moments and mick Kent both sound very loud indeed! Also, they are morons.
Lol, so much abuse for an opinion ,I'm lovin it...........
#internetwarriorsrule#
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Not a keyboard warrior, just find loudmouths dull! ;D
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud
and proud the answer is probably yes.
Exactly, another mouthy moron. Lots of them around it seems. Magic moments and mick Kent both sound very loud indeed! Also, they are morons.
Lol, so much abuse for an opinion ,I'm lovin it...........
#internetwarriorsrule#
Only it wasn't an opinion,you said "it's a fact".Anyway you keep enjoyin kicking a man when he's doon,if it makes you feel better ya belter :D
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud and proud the answer is probably yes.
Exactly, another mouthy moron. Lots of them around it seems. Magic moments and mick Kent both sound very loud indeed! Also, they are morons.
Here he is again lol. Mr dull himself
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud and proud the answer is probably yes.
Exactly, another mouthy moron. Lots of them around it seems. Magic moments and mick Kent both sound very loud indeed! Also, they are morons.
Here he is again lol. Mr dull himself
Haha dull really? What I find dull is loud mouthed twerps like you kicking someone when their down.
Also I assume you are 12 saying "lol" and " mugged off". ;D
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1347518793_troll.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
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Im loud and proud,possibly a Muppet at times,but how do you define someone who hands over cash for a van they don't test drive in the dark?
Av already said Ben has been naive.You hear about con men conning people out of money with various scams,would you say to these victims that "it is a fact,you ripped yourself off". You being loud and proud the answer is probably yes.
Exactly, another mouthy moron. Lots of them around it seems. Magic moments and mick Kent both sound very loud indeed! Also, they are morons.
Here he is again lol. Mr dull himself
Haha dull really? What I find dull is loud mouthed twerps like you kicking someone when their down.
Also I assume you are 12 saying "lol" and " mugged off". ;D
Dull people are boring in my books not loud as you are making me out to be. Not that i am loud saying lol and mugged off. I dont know why you had to try starting on me for an opinion. Just goes to show how unloved you must be.
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Anyway, back on planet Earth and if Ben is still trawling through this thread ...
What's the current situation Ben?
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im surprised krave hasnt commented. that has guilty as charged written all over it if you ask me.
he was kraving to get rid of that heap of a van.
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Hmmmmm no response from Krave as others have said maybe guilty as accused or he don't give a toss
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Hmmmmm no response from Krave as others have said maybe guilty as accused or he don't give a toss
It is possible that he isn't aware of the thread.
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Or possible he doesn't really care, seriously who buys a van in the dark for quite a lot of money. Really baffles me as every car/van i purchase i always give it a inspection then buy it the next day after thinking and sleeping on it.
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Or possible he doesn't really care, seriously who buys a van in the dark for quite a lot of money. Really baffles me as every car/van i purchase i always give it a inspection then buy it the next day after thinking and sleeping on it.
Woo hoo good for you Robert.... So Ben made a mistake... and every troll on the forum comes out and has a pop at him...
What about the conning rip off merchant who engineered it so that it would be dark when Ben finally got to meet his van miles and miles away from home...
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Or possible he doesn't really care, seriously who buys a van in the dark for quite a lot of money. Really baffles me as every car/van i purchase i always give it a inspection then buy it the next day after thinking and sleeping on it.
Woo hoo good for you Robert.... So Ben made a mistake... and every troll on the forum comes out and has a pop at him...
What about the conning rip off merchant who engineered it so that it would be dark when Ben finally got to meet his van miles and miles away from home...
I was going to buy some WC stuff off him, thank god I didnt ! He seemed desperate to sell that as well
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Ben has't done anything wrong, silly yes. Stop having a dig at him, i sure he is feeling crap at the moment.
Krave on the other hand, not sure why he hasn't tried to defend his self, it has been stated he has logged in, so he knows all about this post. I know if I was not guilty, I would give my side of story.
Darren
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Ben has't done anything wrong, silly yes. Stop having a dig at him, i sure he is feeling crap at the moment.
Krave on the other hand, not sure why he hasn't tried to defend his self, it has been stated he has logged in, so he knows all about this post. I know if I was not guilty, I would give my side of story.
Darren
Mick Kent, I stand by my "loud mouthed"comment but do apologise for the silly name calling.
Have a good day.
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Hmmmmm no response from Krave as others have said maybe guilty as accused or he don't give a toss
It is possible that he isn't aware of the thread.
he was on Today at 10:31:43 am
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Ben has't done anything wrong, silly yes. Stop having a dig at him, i sure he is feeling crap at the moment.
Krave on the other hand, not sure why he hasn't tried to defend his self, it has been stated he has logged in, so he knows all about this post. I know if I was not guilty, I would give my side of story.
Darren
Mick Kent, I stand by my "loud mouthed"comment but do apologise for the silly name calling.
Have a good day.
;D
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Hmmmmm no response from Krave as others have said maybe guilty as accused or he don't give a toss
It is possible that he isn't aware of the thread.
he was on Today at 10:31:43 am
probably keeping a low profile.
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Interesting post I do feel sorry for ben, I do think he's been conned and i can
understand how he found himself in the situation were he bought the van
been in a similar situation my self a few times, jump in head first buy
a banger but you have just got to move on wiser.
If you can jump in and hand over 3500 in that situation I'm sure its
not bens last 3500 what i mean is he probably does ok for himself, ;D on the
other hand maybe that 3500 is all that krave has which is why hes making
appearances on the site guilty conscience working over time .
Just my opinion keep the chin up ben know its hard to take but this time will pass.
ITS ONLY MONEY :)
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Interesting post I do feel sorry for ben, I do think he's been conned and i can
understand how he found himself in the situation were he bought the van
been in a similar situation my self a few times, jump in head first buy
a banger but you have just got to move on wiser.
If you can jump in and hand over 3500 in that situation I'm sure its
not bens last 3500 what i mean is he probably does ok for himself, ;D on the
other hand maybe that 3500 is all that krave has which is why hes making
appearances on the site guilty consions working over time .
Just my opinion keep the chin up ben know its hard to take but this time will pass.
ITS ONLY MONEY :)
Well said.
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Ben if you are still reading this? I have a cargo lining from a vivaro in my garage, if you want it (and no its not a rip off boys, though I am tempted to say £xxx, but that would be nasty!) you can have it mate, I dont think I live too far from you, it might be no good to you, but it would tidy the rear floor if its required, let me know
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Cant Tosh see what posts people have been looking at then we would know if Krave has seen it ?
Poss not job of mod though.
But wont change anything for Ben
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Ben if you are still reading this? I have a cargo lining from a vivaro in my garage, if you want it (and no its not a rip off boys, though I am tempted to say £xxx, but that would be nasty!) you can have it mate, I dont think I live too far from you, it might be no good to you, but it would tidy the rear floor if its required, let me know
Nice offer. Good lad.
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Ben has't done anything wrong, silly yes. Stop having a dig at him, i sure he is feeling crap at the moment.
Krave on the other hand, not sure why he hasn't tried to defend his self, it has been stated he has logged in, so he knows all about this post. I know if I was not guilty, I would give my side of story.
Darren
Mick Kent, I stand by my "loud mouthed"comment but do apologise for the silly name calling.
Have a good day.
I take it I'm still a moron then?
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Ben has't done anything wrong, silly yes. Stop having a dig at him, i sure he is feeling crap at the moment.
Krave on the other hand, not sure why he hasn't tried to defend his self, it has been stated he has logged in, so he knows all about this post. I know if I was not guilty, I would give my side of story.
Darren
Mick Kent, I stand by my "loud mouthed"comment but do apologise for the silly name calling.
Have a good day.
I take it I'm still a moron then?
Haha, no and apologies to you too. Maybe just loud mouthed like Mick ;)
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get a life
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Lol thank you,I will also apologise for coming across arrogant ,but in this day of age you must check things out ,hopefully lessons will be learnt and maybe also krave will respond
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Lol thank you,I will also apologise for coming across arrogant ,but in this day of age you must check things out ,hopefully lessons will be learnt and maybe also krave will respond
Amen.
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Surely it's time for this thread to be locked now?
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Why lock is it causing you bother?
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Surely it's time for this thread to be locked now?
Was thinking the same.
I think we've all got the point and many suggestions and solutions have been proffered - some good, some not,
and as we now seem to have reached the stage of repetition the thread has taken a turn for the circular.