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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Deep Cleaning Solutions on September 10, 2012, 03:01:01 pm
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Simple question - Do you think 2 carpet cleaning operators could manage 6 jobs a day with a portable.
It would need to be at least 5/6 jobs a day depending on size of the jobs to make it pay for me.
I know it's possible, but not sure they would hack it day in day out.
I have a operator now who can manage 3 jobs a day easy,
but i was lucky to find him,i would need to find someone as good as him,
but going off past experience it won't be easy to find another!
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Its easier said than done, but probably easier to concentrate on upselling extra rooms/upholstery to increase the value of each job, or alternatively have a 2nd person employed 2 or 3 days a week and make sure those days are fully booked.
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"alternatively have a 2nd person employed 2 or 3 days a week and make sure those days are fully booked"
I was thinking along those lines,maybe employing a lad at the weekend.
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wages of second person compared to a truckmount. simple answer when you look at it that way,
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It's not viable for us Derek, will take up too much space that we need for other services,
have looked into it, but just don't think it's the best option for us the way we operate.
I would not need to pay thousands up front with a new lad like a truckmount and he could muck in on one off cleans or deliver leaflets if it went quiet, if it went too quiet i could just get shut unlike a truckmount :P
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You need to have a word with dr carpet aka roger peach he does trillions of major surgery on carpets per day with his hoppo very good guy to deal with (but I never said that ;))
Shaun
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So you allow about an hour a job. In my opinion thats not long enough but maybe you can do suites and dirty carpets quick
You must have brilliant Marketing to Generate 72 jobs a week
Might have misread thought you wanted each man to do six jobs but that said 36 jobs a week to find could be hard
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rather than use a number of jobs you need to work to a ££ day rate.
I work as a 2 man team and we could do 6 small jobs a day but would make more money doing 4 big jobs (which we could do in the same amount of time)
like ian said finding those 6 jobs a day would be the hard bit
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not when everything's half price for 2 weeks only whilst you're "in the area"!!
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not when everything's half price for 2 weeks only whilst you're "in the area"!!
Have you got my leaflet then Jim?? ;D
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72 carpets in a week is plausible I suppose but 72 jobs that's alot of travelling and set up/down, you do have to talk to the customer you know.
Shaun
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72 carpets in a week is plausible I suppose but 72 jobs that's alot of travelling and set up/down, you do have to talk to the customer you know.
Shaun
Me and Mrs Hector did it for 8 weeks non stop last year when we had the groupon customers to sort out...
Fair buggered us it did. 8)
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not when everything's half price for 2 weeks only whilst you're "in the area"!!
funny enough i saw one of these leaflets in a customers house on friday, what made me smile was I was cleaning a suites for £10 short of twice the price they were doing it half price for.
it was the 'single colour printed on paper as thin as bog role' one
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Hector you and your good lady would have worked a double week to get all of that done i guess the quality of work happiness went down (not to be confused with quality of your clean which I am not questioning) I do hope you gave her extra house keeping for that.
Shaun
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to be honest Shaun, it put us off carpet cleaning for quite a while..
We now do odd bits here and there, but not anything like that, and never will again....
Thing is I used to love carpet cleaning, now it is a means to an end..... :-\
No extra housekeeping.............. :o :o ........... good grief man I am Yorkshire too you know... ;D ;D
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Good lad I knew I could count on you ;D
Shaun
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Would imagine 2 people doing a total of 72 jobs
in a week is nigh on impossible.
10 a day 7 day week!!
John
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I fully agree John
I thought we were on about 6 jobs a day..
We did 6 jobs a day every day for 8 weeks before we ran out of steam... enthusiasm and money...
When I said last year that Groupon made me go bust.... it was not too far from the truth...... It was costing us as much in fuel as we made......
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Simple question - Do you think 2 carpet cleaning operators could manage 6 jobs a day with a portable.
It would need to be at least 5/6 jobs a day depending on size of the jobs to make it pay for me.
I know it's possible, but not sure they would hack it day in day out.
I have a operator now who can manage 3 jobs a day easy,
but i was lucky to find him,i would need to find someone as good as him,
but going off past experience it won't be easy to find another!
Hi Deep Cleaning Solutions
I saw Shaun mention my name so thought I'd better stick my oar in.
Unfortunatley your "simple" question is I think more complicated than you perhaps initially thought. You say you "need 5/6 jobs a day to make it pay for me" but that obviously depends upon a/. the size of the job/time taken to complete a job and b/. from the rest of your post I'm not sure if you are referring to your operator and you acting as a 2 man team or whether you possibly meant your present operator and a FURTHER operator with you presumably acting purely in a managerial role. Obviously t/o and profit will have to be factored in as well.
As has been hinted (and also as Mike does) I work with another person and we work flat out at least 5 days a week. And I have never posted a single leaflet thereby saving me considerable marketing time. From Cleaners Mate I see in the last 12 months I achieved just over 3.5 jobs a day, 5 days a week. However you should see my average job ticket! (Rhetorical statement that last sentance!)
But those stats do hide a number of issues. Firstly we cover for each other when the other is on holiday so effectively we can now choose to give 52 weeks a year service if we want. Secondly we can interchange driving/taking bookings on the phone/ doing quotes/ cleaning whilst the other is doing something else-this has given a huge boost to productivity.
Thirdly my all time record was 11 jobs in one (15 hour) day but it did include a couple of small stain jobs which with a spotter could be sorted in under 15 minutes. Also it included dropping a number of rugs back and being paid for. Finally a lot of the jobs were very geographically close together.
Now to "tin hat" time. I reckon a two man team, averaging over a number of jobs, can beat one man and a Tm hands down. I'm not going to get drawn into an arguement on this on the forum but as you seem to be thinking of proceeding down the avenue I have taken then you are more than welcome to ring me during the day to discuss it further.
Rog
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I partly agree with the last statement about 2 workers being slightly faster than 1 tm worker but it comes down to so many issues things in life are never straight forward btw have you met the mother in law?
Shaun
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I reckon a two man team, averaging over a number of jobs, can beat one man and a Tm hands down.
Very interesting point to debate :)
Depends on several variables I think Rog!
1) Type of work: carpets or upholstery. TM can be way less than 50% of porty time on carpets, only ever managed to get my suite time down to roughly 2/3 of porty time due to all the stuff done by hand and the faffing around involved
2) The fastidious (or not) nature of whoever's doing the work. If you don't fuss over spots and little details with either system obviously there's time to be made/lost. It's easier to be fussy when you're on the end of a machine that can make up time quicker when needed.
3) Size of the jobs. The longer you're cleaning the more time you're saving with a TM. I could leave the house at 9am, clean three 3-bed houses on my own and be home before most kids get back from school. One crazy 12-hour day I worked last December I racked up a turnover figure that was more than I turned over in a month when I first started ;)
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I have been working in a partnership for about six months and the advice i was given was true .
the benefits are im never tired at the end of the day and find we can fit 3 jobs in comfortable between 10 - 3pm .
pepole seem to like two of us as we are done in half the time one carpet can be done in 40 mins its the dwell time that holds us up , we can do a full house in a hour and a half .
its nice to have a different prescriptive on buisness
Down side we dont always see eye to eye and sharing costs and work is complicated at times. but its early days yet and the commercial side is growing which by myself would of took longer .
Neil
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rather than use a number of jobs you need to work to a ££ day rate.
I work as a 2 man team and we could do 6 small jobs a day but would make more money doing 4 big jobs (which we could do in the same amount of time)
like ian said finding those 6 jobs a day would be the hard bit
hi
mikes right, i believe this is how all business works really. supermarkets dont say we have to sell a million tins of beans or we wont stock them, they work out what a tin needs to be to make there required profit.
you need to work out your cost base is van costs kit cost wages then what you need to make profit to be happy then its just a number crunch on what proportion of the day you will be on a particular job.
Of course there are limits in this industry, i was thinkin of jims post a few months back where he put in a bill for 500 for a day but this was quite a lot of work he had done. all of which he had done seperately at these prices but together the customer just could nt see past the fact of one man for a day shouldnt be 500.
so more well priced smaller jobs probably hides the fact you are charging a premium. but then you have traveling and setting up time?
this is why i love commercial, if you can get a good price in they simply arent bothered as long as its clean as a rule quicker the better as far as they are concerened.
cheers
john
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My average commute between jobs is around 20 min. That would be 2 hours over 6 jobs
Setting up and breaking down a porty takes me around an extra 30 minutes per job so that's 3 hours.
5 hours effing about
That's why I swiftly ended 2 men 1 van even though I did it in a TM. 3 jobs on my own is not only more profitable but enables better quality of life over 6 jobs which is just sh*t
That's just my experience