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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richie on September 05, 2012, 07:22:51 pm
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Hi guys, anyone got a web link to a cheap leaflet printing company?
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http://www.trade-print-warehouse.co.uk/
20,000 for £89 at the moment...
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is that one colour inc delivery?
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It is 1 colour but not sure about the delivery cost...Been a while since I used them
www.fairprint.co.uk are another lot but slightly more expensive I used them for postcard A6 size
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www.printcarrier.co.uk
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affordable leaflets cheapest around in uk 100000 £850 2 side gloss cymk free del
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Thanks guys
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I've just spent £350 getting 15,000 of these printed up on 220mg gloss paper:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488805441131695&set=a.482082335137339.114066.481557091856530&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488805441131695&set=a.482082335137339.114066.481557091856530&type=3&theater)
...have I been overcharged?
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I wouldn't have paid that much...... :-*
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I wouldn't have paid that much...... :-*
...you live and learn! next time I'll shop around a bit more.
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Remember you have to clean more carpets to recoup the cost of expensive leaflets, and in my opinion, the expensive leaflets on thicker paper etc do not get you any more or higher paying custards......
In fact I had more success with home made ones during and experimental phase I went through......
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Buy a second hand RISO printer off ebay and print your own.
Will print hundreds in minutes. Your headline and your copy get the calls not expensive glossy paper with meaningless drivel on it.
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oooerrrr Wynne does this mean that we agree again??
should we get a room :-* :-*
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And me Hector I cant stand it twice in a month ;D ;D ;D
Mind you Secondhand OK until it breaks down
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I've had my RISO 5 years, it lives in an unheated garage. It has never broken down, never been serviced. The people who sold it to me also supply the cheapest paper in the country, as you know Ian.
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Ive got mine on a £200 a years service contract as the Company charges £100 an hour plus parts if not.
Only problem is have not been able to use it much this year.
But will make up for it soon.
Just interested Wynne and Hector Do you just stick to A4 or do you have cutting machine
to make A5
Sometimes I wish I had A3 model
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Ian
I do/did A4 with four advert boxes on.
You can even persuade another trade to buy one of the boxes or share distribution. I tested thoroughly compared to the same copy on colour a5, A6 card etc and there was little difference even in posh areas.
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Ian
I am more home made than that... I use A4 paper and do 2 leaflets on it, however I use a steel ruler and sharp stanley knife to cut them in half.....
I have it down to a fine art now, and you would not know that I have not got a cutting machine to see them now.....
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I've been reading this thread with interest as I have been printing my own leaflets lately as I acquired a laser printer which can print 500 leaflets in a few minutes. New cartridge can print approx 18,000 leaflets and costs £30 just wondering how much these Riso printers compare on cost, i.e how much is the ink and how many A4 sheets can you print?
I presently do a single A4 printed on colored paper, although I am planning on printing on the back soon. Found that I get a slightly better response than so called professional A6 or A5 printed leaflets. My only gripe is that as I print an A4 with the text in 3 columns I have to manually fold it in 3 to post through letter boxes.
Just out of interest Ian & Wynee what sort of response do you get per 1,000, I'm getting just over 3 jobs booked per 1,000.
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how much time are you spending printing your own leaflets?
I pay £211 for 30k full colour, glossy leaflets delivered to my distribution company......why would I want to waste my time doing them my self?
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Fair point Mike but then again as you say you are delivering thousands per week. If you could print and deliver fewer leaflets however and get the same response it does make it viable when you take into account delivery costs. At present I deliver my own leaflets and do around 1,000 a week but also rely on other forums of marketing. I am looking at doing bigger volumes but getting them delivered is another matter and the rates drop right down if you get someone else to do it. I am looking at using a local company, that is a franchise leaflet company who use cleaning companies to deliver leaflets along with their own. Had a chat to my local chap to make sure that there was no conflict of interest and he said he only does domestic cleans and not c.c so no problem there. He delivers his own leaflet with a max of two other leaflets and charges £40 per thousand. Basically if he gets and inquiry in his area he will delivery his leaflet where ever someone is willing to pay to have their leaflet delivered. Sounds good in principal but it would mean to make it cost effective to me I would need to get leaflets printed but then it costs an arm and a leg to get them delivered.
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Richard, £40/1000 is quite expensive when your leaflet is one of three.
Why not suggest a joint leaflet, you on one side him on the other, this wil cut both your costs in half
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Me and my son delivered about 6000 leaflets this week (hard work).
I'm almost fully booked with work next week due to that :)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488805441131695&set=a.482082335137339.114066.481557091856530&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488805441131695&set=a.482082335137339.114066.481557091856530&type=3&theater)
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Me and my son delivered about 6000 leaflets this week (hard work).
I'm almost fully booked with work next week due to that :)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488805441131695&set=a.482082335137339.114066.481557091856530&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=488805441131695&set=a.482082335137339.114066.481557091856530&type=3&theater)
David that is good going to get that many out in a week, trouble is next week you will be working on doing the jobs you got from the leafleting and you find you have few or fewer jobs coming in the next week so you start going through a cycle of a busy week and then a quite spell whilst you deliver leaflets. The only answer is to get someone to deliver your leaflets for you and that is where all sorts of problems lie, can you trust them, cost to deliver, is it going out solo or with other leaflets, are they going out to the area's you want to target. I am having the exact same problem as there is no one local offering a leaflet distribution service, only recently found out about the chap I mentioned earlier and he delivers his leaflets where ever he gets someone else who wants leaflet delivered.
Mike unfortunately this guy has brought into a franchise geared towards management cleaning companies who deliver their leaflets along with a max of two other leaflets, not a bad idea as he gets to grow his business at the same time as earning money from other traders wanting their leaflets delivered, but your right the response is not going to be so great as a solus delivery and might not be the best option for me and the cost is also high for a shared delivery.
I'm also considering hiring self-employed leaflet delivery people but I suspect it will have its own set of problems and pitfalls.
So for the time being I'm sticking to my 1000 a week and relying on other forms of marketing which are not so labour intensive.
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Can't beat delivering your own.
They go through the letter boxes you want them to go through
and you can even cherry pick the houses in a street you want
them to go through.
If they're pottering about outside when you deliver you get to
talk to them.
I've also been phoned a few times 5 minutes after posting to go
back and give a quote.
John
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Response rates vary according to style of leaflet . But your response rate is good
Mike is correct i sometimes wonder if it is worth hassle but usually have Riso running while doing the washing or washing up etc ie Multi Tasking.
i amazed about 18k leaflets per £30 laser cartridge best I ever achieved was 3k or 6k A5
I do now buy toner of ebay but works out at £5 a refil but you do have risk of toner powder going everywhere etc.
I find Lasser rely slow although I did consider buying a brother A3 one from PC world for £99 think they had a special purchase , but I had family hazzling me as we were about to have BBQ so had to move on.
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I've been reading this thread with interest as I have been printing my own leaflets lately as I acquired a laser printer which can print 500 leaflets in a few minutes. New cartridge can print approx 18,000 leaflets and costs £30 just wondering how much these Riso printers compare on cost, i.e how much is the ink and how many A4 sheets can you print?
I presently do a single A4 printed on colored paper, although I am planning on printing on the back soon. Found that I get a slightly better response than so called professional A6 or A5 printed leaflets. My only gripe is that as I print an A4 with the text in 3 columns I have to manually fold it in 3 to post through letter boxes.
Just out of interest Ian & Wynee what sort of response do you get per 1,000, I'm getting just over 3 jobs booked per 1,000.
New printer is next on my shopping list. What make/model do you use? 18000 pages sounds very good for £30.
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I've been reading this thread with interest as I have been printing my own leaflets lately as I acquired a laser printer which can print 500 leaflets in a few minutes. New cartridge can print approx 18,000 leaflets and costs £30 just wondering how much these Riso printers compare on cost, i.e how much is the ink and how many A4 sheets can you print?
I presently do a single A4 printed on colored paper, although I am planning on printing on the back soon. Found that I get a slightly better response than so called professional A6 or A5 printed leaflets. My only gripe is that as I print an A4 with the text in 3 columns I have to manually fold it in 3 to post through letter boxes.
Just out of interest Ian & Wynee what sort of response do you get per 1,000, I'm getting just over 3 jobs booked per 1,000.
New printer is next on my shopping list. What make/model do you use? 18000 pages sounds very good for £30.
I use an HP 4300 Dtn Laserjet and you can get refurbished ones off ebay pretty cheap and cartridges
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-TONER-CARTRIDGE-FOR-HP-Q1339A-39A-HP-LASERJET-4300-4300N-4300TN-4300dtn-/220822724885?pt=UK_Computing_Toner_Cartridges&hash=item336a0f6115&_uhb=1#ht_5679wt_965 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-TONER-CARTRIDGE-FOR-HP-Q1339A-39A-HP-LASERJET-4300-4300N-4300TN-4300dtn-/220822724885?pt=UK_Computing_Toner_Cartridges&hash=item336a0f6115&_uhb=1#ht_5679wt_965)
Printer prices vary but you should be able to pick a second hand one off ebay for between £60 - £150 here is one which looks good
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EFFICIENT-FAST-A4-HP-4300-LASER-PRINTER-FREE-DELIVERY-/370455490015?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item5640de2ddf&_uhb=1#ht_1317wt_1008 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EFFICIENT-FAST-A4-HP-4300-LASER-PRINTER-FREE-DELIVERY-/370455490015?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item5640de2ddf&_uhb=1#ht_1317wt_1008)
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I can recommend Mark @ DP Design for leaflets good service and cheap, yeah i think you can find print a little cheaper elsewhere but i dont bother, he's cheap enough.
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Richard, £40/1000 is quite expensive when your leaflet is one of three.
Why not suggest a joint leaflet, you on one side him on the other, this wil cut both your costs in half
While i have been off I have been looking into the leaflet distribution market
I think when Debroah Meaden invested in Leaflet Company on Dragons Den it drew my attention to it.
From my research I would say £40 per thousand is about right if it is a professional company delivering say a max of 3 leaflets. Im not sure about the one Richard is mentioning as they have a scatter gun approach which actually is great for confusing the enemy ie rival companies.
But most professional leaflet companies now off satellite tracking etc so you can see where your leaflets were delivered. Compared with Post Office this is good value.
My personal experience is that it costs £70 in Labour to deliver 1000k in nice areas bearing in mind they tend to have longer drive ways than a line of terraced houses in big cities. We deliver two different leaflets so that keeps cost for each enterprise down.
SO you could do one for Carpet Cleaning,and One for Ovens, Windows etc of your own and contact say a local taxi firm , or replacement window company or any other direct sales company see if they are interested in coming on board
That might be at the top end as my guys do not jog while delivering which apears to be criteria for a job with Deborah's outfit. You need people training to compete in Olympics etc
It is possible to o to Free Papers and get a better rate than 40 but I find you then need to distribute more to get same result
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In the end we need to make a return on our marketing, if we have to pay £40/10000 then the return is not enough.
I would be paying £1200 a month, at that price I could employ my own team of leafleters.
Or average our job price is too low, a mobile phone company can pay £40/1000 as they will make a lot of money from a customer, but we are a low price industry ( in comparison to others)
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That still leaves you with 4K a month ;D ;D
But I do agree with you . You either need to set up your own team and deliver non competing leaflets but can become headache regarding motivation and speed.
But for me the only low cost method is Free Paper but that said unless you commit to high volume distribution drop you are over £30
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I find child labour great for leaflet delivery ;D
My youngest son delivers most of my leaflets the only problem being getting the quantity out, ideally to make it more cost and time effective i need to assemble a team of his pals.
And dont get into the cycle of paying them in advance because they start lacking motivation.
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I find child labour great for leaflet delivery ;D
My youngest son delivers most of my leaflets the only problem being getting the quantity out, ideally to make it more cost and time effective i need to assemble a team of his pals.
And dont get into the cycle of paying them in advance because they start lacking motivation.
You must have brought him up well. LOL Gave up on 'friends' as well. But ultimately I think I'm better off with people who responded to ads in news agents and I have some distance from them. Had to go through a few mind to get some gems.
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I've been reading this thread with interest as I have been printing my own leaflets lately as I acquired a laser printer which can print 500 leaflets in a few minutes. New cartridge can print approx 18,000 leaflets and costs £30 just wondering how much these Riso printers compare on cost, i.e how much is the ink and how many A4 sheets can you print?
I presently do a single A4 printed on colored paper, although I am planning on printing on the back soon. Found that I get a slightly better response than so called professional A6 or A5 printed leaflets. My only gripe is that as I print an A4 with the text in 3 columns I have to manually fold it in 3 to post through letter boxes.
Just out of interest Ian & Wynee what sort of response do you get per 1,000, I'm getting just over 3 jobs booked per 1,000.
New printer is next on my shopping list. What make/model do you use? 18000 pages sounds very good for £30.
I use an HP 4300 Dtn Laserjet and you can get refurbished ones off ebay pretty cheap and cartridges
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-TONER-CARTRIDGE-FOR-HP-Q1339A-39A-HP-LASERJET-4300-4300N-4300TN-4300dtn-/220822724885?pt=UK_Computing_Toner_Cartridges&hash=item336a0f6115&_uhb=1#ht_5679wt_965 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-TONER-CARTRIDGE-FOR-HP-Q1339A-39A-HP-LASERJET-4300-4300N-4300TN-4300dtn-/220822724885?pt=UK_Computing_Toner_Cartridges&hash=item336a0f6115&_uhb=1#ht_5679wt_965)
Printer prices vary but you should be able to pick a second hand one off ebay for between £60 - £150 here is one which looks good
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EFFICIENT-FAST-A4-HP-4300-LASER-PRINTER-FREE-DELIVERY-/370455490015?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item5640de2ddf&_uhb=1#ht_1317wt_1008 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EFFICIENT-FAST-A4-HP-4300-LASER-PRINTER-FREE-DELIVERY-/370455490015?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item5640de2ddf&_uhb=1#ht_1317wt_1008)
Thats intresting Richard.
I take it the £30 per 18,000 A4 is black ink only?
Can you do double sided leaflets with that machine?
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I've been reading this thread with interest as I have been printing my own leaflets lately as I acquired a laser printer which can print 500 leaflets in a few minutes. New cartridge can print approx 18,000 leaflets and costs £30 just wondering how much these Riso printers compare on cost, i.e how much is the ink and how many A4 sheets can you print?
I presently do a single A4 printed on colored paper, although I am planning on printing on the back soon. Found that I get a slightly better response than so called professional A6 or A5 printed leaflets. My only gripe is that as I print an A4 with the text in 3 columns I have to manually fold it in 3 to post through letter boxes.
Just out of interest Ian & Wynee what sort of response do you get per 1,000, I'm getting just over 3 jobs booked per 1,000.
New printer is next on my shopping list. What make/model do you use? 18000 pages sounds very good for £30.
I use an HP 4300 Dtn Laserjet and you can get refurbished ones off ebay pretty cheap and cartridges
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-TONER-CARTRIDGE-FOR-HP-Q1339A-39A-HP-LASERJET-4300-4300N-4300TN-4300dtn-/220822724885?pt=UK_Computing_Toner_Cartridges&hash=item336a0f6115&_uhb=1#ht_5679wt_965 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLACK-TONER-CARTRIDGE-FOR-HP-Q1339A-39A-HP-LASERJET-4300-4300N-4300TN-4300dtn-/220822724885?pt=UK_Computing_Toner_Cartridges&hash=item336a0f6115&_uhb=1#ht_5679wt_965)
Printer prices vary but you should be able to pick a second hand one off ebay for between £60 - £150 here is one which looks good
Yes black ink only. Not sure if you can print both sides, at the same time, or need to print one side and then re-load the paper and print second side, I got the machine second hand and no instructions. There are loads of ex-business laser printers on ebay that you can buy dirt cheap, so you could always search for other printers with this feature.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EFFICIENT-FAST-A4-HP-4300-LASER-PRINTER-FREE-DELIVERY-/370455490015?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item5640de2ddf&_uhb=1#ht_1317wt_1008 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EFFICIENT-FAST-A4-HP-4300-LASER-PRINTER-FREE-DELIVERY-/370455490015?pt=UK_CamerasPhoto_Printers_Printers_JN&hash=item5640de2ddf&_uhb=1#ht_1317wt_1008)
Thats intresting Richard.
I take it the £30 per 18,000 A4 is black ink only?
Can you do double sided leaflets with that machine?
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Richard you could consider getting a folding machine
I find rolling into a tube just before going through the letter box works well as leaflet then falls flat on the floor fully displayed. If you practice you can make sure you get it the right way up.
Problem is it does slow delivery.
I had to put my distributors on verbal warnings as they got into the habit of folding it into four to go through box.
I did practice my tube theory on Saturday on 400 houses .
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http://www.trade-print-warehouse.co.uk/
20,000 for £89 at the moment...
I know it is an old thread but has anyone used Trade Print Warehouse recently as i have tried to use online form to get a quote and it does not let you send it. Tried calling and no answer and i can't see a email link but prices look good and Hector has that hypnotizing way with his posts ;D
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Actually there is an email on their site but i have emailed them before and had no reply.
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I get a local printer to do my leaflets. Have tried 2 firms to deliver and both times generated as many complaints from them being dumped in hedges as i did real enquiries. And they were recommended. Perhaps i was just unlucky.
Now deliver my own for half a day at a time and always neighbouring houses before i start a job. Always have some in the van for any spare half hours.
Usually see a spike in website traffic when i've done a good sized batch
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why not get a riso, we have one and it saves us loads. my old printer guy used them to print so if its works for him its good for me. we have had three all secondhand and quality is great. in fact we only spend a few hundred pounds but if We really wanted to splash out and spend a thousand we could have got one that prints direct from computer and prints A3, thats pink leaflet area
Big advantage is that you can change offer at any time also the exp date both important things to be able to react to. say you get loads printed and the offer is not working you just change it and try something new. its not we think prospects want its what works.
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Tried local printers and they want silly money £250 + for 5,000 leaflets.
Have considered Riso Ian but not got a lot of spare space left in our house at the moment and then there is the cost of the machine. What is killing me at the moment is the cost of the paper, the cheapest i can find it for is £8.99 per ream of 500 sheets at W.H. Smith its one of those items which does not appear to be cheaper online due the weight of posting it.
Will have a look at Riso if i can't get a print them for me at a good price.
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Get your leaflet done as a full colour jpeg 10times the actual size, then design it with the text in segments within the page. Then you can open it in MS Paint and white out the text and replace it with fresh text so the leaflet can be altered and fresh offers can be put on.
Then order as little as a 1000 at a time, this give you the flexibility of home printing but still with a great design in full colour
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Ian
I am more home made than that... I use A4 paper and do 2 leaflets on it, however I use a steel ruler and sharp stanley knife to cut them in half.....
I have it down to a fine art now, and you would not know that I have not got a cutting machine to see them now.....
Hi Hector , you are very bright why did I not think of a Stanley Knife how many can you do at a time.
Anybody sourced a seller of secondhand folding machines that work
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why not get a riso, we have one and it saves us loads. my old printer guy used them to print so if its works for him its good for me. we have had three all secondhand and quality is great. in fact we only spend a few hundred pounds but if We really wanted to splash out and spend a thousand we could have got one that prints direct from computer and prints A3, thats pink leaflet area
Big advantage is that you can change offer at any time also the exp date both important things to be able to react to. say you get loads printed and the offer is not working you just change it and try something new. its not we think prospects want its what works.
Hi Ian thought you were clearing yours out did you keep,them in the end.
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10 - 20 A4 pages at a time.... many more than that and you start to get "angles" on the leaflets...
Richard Asda and Tesco sell reams of A4 white at £2.99.
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Mike i've dropped a lot of glossy leaflets in my time (not anywhere near as you granted) i then tried a d.i.y leaflet this time last year and the response was much higher than the professional leaflet, i then got my d.i.y leaflet and tried a glossy version of it without pic's (if that makes sense) i thought it looked good actually but i did not get one job from it.
I think part of the reason is that people see so much junk mail these days that they just throw it in the bin without reading it. That's why a d.i.y leaflet gets more response as people immediately see it looks different to the rest of the junk mail and look at it to see what's it about, they also perceive you as local. In fact i came across an old leaflet of yours on cleantalk last night, looks a bit like old western wanted poster, all text, i quite like it. I've based mine loosely on the pink flyer (well the colour anyway ;D)
Hector - white is boring :) Pink makes it stand out and appeals to the lady of the house, although i'm sure other colour's would work too.
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Would disagree with a lot of what has been said. I used to deliver single colour leaflets and they did give me a different customer. Probably used single colour for about 7 years, before getting colour done as well. When I had a sign writing business we had a rico a3 printer with duplex and my partner had spent all his life in the print business. The Rico was ok for short runs but any quantity was cheaper to source out. A lot of the customers I go to have had loads of leaflets through the door unless you are willing to be the cheapest you need to project a professional image.
Put the cost of ink paper etc together and you are better leaving it to the people that are equipped for volume.
A decent print machine can cost 100 s of 10000 s. do not think you can product the same with a machine costing a few 100 pounds.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://
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I am getting a number of tri fold pamphlets done at a local prison, aimed at commercial custys and l/m .
apparently they train the inmates and :-\ and want the work , non profit making and just covering the costs so I am imformed .
will see quality etc hopfuly next week .
Geoff
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With respect to all posters,I used to work in print before CC and I have witnessed its sad decline as printers have been forced to cut prices and margains over the years.Some of the prices offered for printing leaflets these days are suicidal.
I honestly don't know how they can be making any profits.I know some companies who haven't given staff a rise for over 10 years.
I find it odd that CC's moan when people price shop, buy cheap and even use RD's,yet some CC's don't want to pay a fair price for printing.
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Don't get me wrong, i want to use a printer but i don't want a glossy leaflet with pictures. I resurrected this thread as i wanted to see if Trade Print Warehouse were reliable and if anyone had used them recently as i had failed to contact them. Whilst i respect that printers have to make a living, don't we all, that does not mean to say i am gong to pay through the nose for it. Like most i shop around first to get an idea of prices and quality available.
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Hi Richard,I don't think you will pay through the nose for print these days,there are some silly prices being offered out there.IMO unsustainable prices.Some of the prices I see include delivery too.I don't know where these printers are getting their board/paper from,it must be off backs of lorries ;D
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Try Paul Clark Printing, in Topsham. We get ours done there and costs are £3.25 per 1000, on colour one side in reflex blue we get 250,000 per print run, You may also want to try Good Time Printing in Kent, they are cheap as well
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Just ordered 5000 A5 on pink paper with black text nothing fancy no pics etc just bold text like there asking questions and i'm answering cost £50 can't wait to get them and get out see if they are better than the fancy glossy post cards iv'e been using.
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phil I've just done postcards as well and it's the one leaflet that has truly bombed.. good luck with the pink a5 ones mate
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phil I've just done postcards as well and it's the one leaflet that has truly bombed.. good luck with the pink a5 ones mate
The postcards are the ones in my pic mate i just leave them with custys now but the ones i have just ordered could be good i hope it says all needed for the customer and also the back is a freeby which hopefully makes them read the front i just thought nothing fancy and tell it how it is if i get a call from leaflet i don't need to do anything else as they already know my offer Prices and what to expect.
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FT guy in my area spends over £40 1K just for royal mail thats on top of printing and folding costs his minimum charge is £120 which he clearly says on his stuff.
These numbers work for him.
its about what works and where you are in your business.
what really interesting is that you can have so many ways of reaching your goal. you might have a really effective message on your leaflet that only takes a thousand a week to get in say £500. or it might have a weaker message and take 5K
its never just on thing that makes something work or makes a prospect pick up the phone. I am sure you amazed how someone in your area could use another carpet cleaner when your living and working in that area :)