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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tony bish on September 05, 2012, 04:43:27 pm
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Hi guys ,my freind has been and bought himself a prochem cheyenne apparently for a good price so couldnt turn it down ,his words not mine.
Well this machine seems to be sparking from the motors when on and rang me to ask what I thought .
Well I said perhaps it is the vac motors but to be honest I have not got a clue ( just a mere carpet fitter )so thought I would ask the fonts of knowledge which is you guys .And if it is the motors any ideas best place to purchase them .Afraid I have not heard of a cheyenne ,thought it was some American state .Hope he has not bought a dud as he is struggling at mo .
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Its a Prochem machine.
Fitted with 5.7" 3 stage Lamb vac motors (I think) I used to have one and it was a great machine.
I am pretty sure it was 3 stage motors and the Commanche had twin 2 stage vacs.
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Yes it is a Prochem machine. As for which vacs are in it....it should say on the current vacs what they are. Prochem made a few different Cheyenne machines with different specs. The basic one had Dual 2-stage vacuums in it. The CHEYENNE 3 had Dual 3-stage vacuums in it.
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Would you say then guys the fact it is sparking ,then it does look like the vac motors are gone .Any ideas where to buy and best price if it is .Thanks in advance
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You can get the vac motors from ebay or www.wcsuk.com
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So would you say because it is sparking that it is a good chance it is the vac motors guys
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The Cheyenne is still a current model in the USA....I have one and it,s as good a machine as the Ninja. A good point is that it's set up for a 2 inch vacuum as standard.
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Thanks Robert ,so it is a good machine then ,he is a bit worried about the fact it is sparking though and we can only assume it is the vac motors but we are not sure.So the fact it is set up for a 2 inch vacuum does that mean it is pretty standard to all other machines then mate .Do you use your machine as your main one then Robert .If it is both the vac motors going then I would assume that is a fair bit of money then .Thanks guys
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Thanks Robert ,so it is a good machine then ,he is a bit worried about the fact it is sparking though and we can only assume it is the vac motors but we are not sure.So the fact it is set up for a 2 inch vacuum does that mean it is pretty standard to all other machines then mate .Do you use your machine as your main one then Robert .If it is both the vac motors going then I would assume that is a fair bit of money then .Thanks guys
Im gonna sound like i sell these or something lol ... but two of these should be good value for your friends machine ... from a known source , have air seal etc ..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ametek-Premium-3-Stage-Tangential-Discharge-Motor-5-7-240V-1500W-/180930091698?pt=UK_Vacuum_Cleaner_Bags_Parts&hash=item2a20461ab2
Is it a parallel or series machine ? not sure if 2" machine fittings will matter a whole lot anyway , especially in a series machine , as 1 1/2" hose is suppose to be good for 200cfm , which is the max u will get with two standard 5.7's in parallel.
You would definitely see a benefit with three motors or some of the newer high airflow motors .
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They look like the kiddies John .As mentioned we dont know a lot about these machines in fact I dont know didly squat ,so are we right in assuming they should not be sparking when turned on ? the fact that when we put our hand over the machine suction inlet there is no suction at all so would also assume thats a bloody good indicator I would have thought ,but hey what do we know .Are they hard to fit yourself mate .Obviously he doesnt want to spend a lot on machine .
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Sometimes on startup vac motors will give a small spark but this should then go. If when you have turned the vacs on but have no suction i would think that the hose leading to the waste tank is maybe disconnected somewhere. Open up the machine, follow the hose from the motors to the vac tank. Check for splits in the hose or if disconnected. Generally speaking vac motors are pretty easy to fit. Some machines can be a little fiddley but no reason why you or your friend cant fit yourself.
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Hi Richie ,thanks for reply ,no sparking does not go out when running machine,and we have not got hoses connected regarding suction ,just putting hand over inlet where hose would go and doesnt seem to be any suction at all .
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Sorry Richie just read your post properly regarding hoses .
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Be careful you have enough height available- some of the cheaper vacs are longer in the vac section than real Lamg vacs and wont fit all machines.
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Be careful you have enough height available- some of the cheaper vacs are longer in the vac section than real Lamg vacs and wont fit all machines.
The European made Ametek ( the £55 one in the ebay link above ) is the same length as the lamb (Mexican plant ) Ametek ...
205mm from bottom to top , not including the vac tube which is almost 20mm .
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They hang on the underside of the machine with the inlet of one attached to the exhaust of the other.
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Thanks guys appreciate comments,got in touch with website chap John and he seemed to think it may just need the brushes changing .Are these straight forward to do . Thanks again
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I did say some.
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I did say some.
Yes i know , i just happened to have one beside me ... and measured it :)
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Thanks guys appreciate comments,got in touch with website chap John and he seemed to think it may just need the brushes changing .Are these straight forward to do . Thanks again
Same as this ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yND5ffhfqZU
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I had a Cheyanne 2.
Vacs motors in series. Ive also had a few other portable machines.
With all machines when the vac motor goes, in reality it is the electical brushes that have gone, worn down beyond limits causing damage to the comutator. When this happens there will much sparking, noise and some smoke and the motor will stop. If you switch it back on there may be a short pop or other noise but the motor will not run.
If the vacs are running continuessly but sparking a bit, then it is probably nearing the danger zone and the brushes need changing. If the comutator is not damaged all will be okay on changing the brushes. If it is damaged the brushes could wear down rapidly (in just 30 minutes once for me) and the only solution is a new vac motor.
The Cheyanne though is a very good portable machine, but has its design issues around the vacuum exhaust area.
Dave.
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Thanks guys Dave ,John just watched video .Best place to get brushes any ideas .Appreciated .
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Thanks guys Dave ,John just watched video .Best place to get brushes any ideas .Appreciated .
Look under the list of suppliers on this sites home page.
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Guys ,how do you tell if your machine ie this cheyenne is a 2 stage vacuum or a 3 stage vacuum ,in simple terms that is , as if we need to change the brushes I would presume they are different .Yes I know we are showing our ignorance but I fit the things not clean them ;D,and best place to purchase these brushes....thanks in advance chaps
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Guys ,how do you tell if your machine ie this cheyenne is a 2 stage vacuum or a 3 stage vacuum ,in simple terms that is , as if we need to change the brushes I would presume they are different .Yes I know we are showing our ignorance but I fit the things not clean them ;D,and best place to purchase these brushes....thanks in advance chaps
Count the number of sections that make up the outer casing (the larger round bit)
Woodbridge commercial would probably be as good a place as any to get the new brushes from.
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Thanks Mark ,so presumably that is the only way to tell .Will yry the company you suggested only the brushes are different apparently for 3 stage or 2 stage .As I said before excuse the ignorance but not great with machines as not my thing .Many thanks
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I bought a cheyenne to use when doing hard floors it has great vacuum and a reasonably large tank, however you must remember the waste tank is small and difficult tl clean out especially the filter mesh, it tends to draw water/muck through the vacs, which cause burn out. I have converte the mesh basket to one side giving less chance of taking in dirty water and making it more assessable- keep an eye on the waqste tank it fills very quickely try to ensure minimum foam. after use and when tank is drained let the vacs run for a few minutes to dry out any moisture