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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on August 18, 2012, 01:57:57 am
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im forever changing my mind what i want to pay staff always coming up with new ideas how we can all benefit and keep them motivated and put in the hours without crippling myself in meantime
so anyone who has fair size business not just a cash in hand worker how do u pay staff to keep them motivated enough to do a good job, not skint thru the month where it affects there work etc im not a skin flint but also wont pay huge
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The answers lies within the interview process and choice of employee :) not with changing payment terms (unless of course they are wrong) ;)
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
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The answers lies within the interview process and choice of employee :) not with changing payment terms (unless of course they are wrong) ;)
exactly spot on here.
its so easy to think every things about the money, but its not. it is of course for some people... but you weed those out in recruitment
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
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IMO you have to look long term with new staff!! and peeps are right its not all about money!
Pay peanuts and u get monkeys!!
Maybe min wage whilst under going training/courses etc then a set hourly wage with a bonus structure so the more work they complete/targets hit or canvass the bigger the bonus.
Everybody knows its currently a employers market atm so make sure ur interviewing skills are good, find yourself a decent worker and invest in them.
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Weekly and by Bacs. They love windows very very muchly.
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currently have 3 parttimers on board and theyre all on the books,paid daily
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Richy
figuring out the correct rate of pay for the quality of work you want is easy.
if you where going for a job, what rate of pay would you want which means that you will do a good job because you want to carry on working for your employer.
you have now found out the rate for the job, so stop trying to save money and pay it.
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Richy
figuring out the correct rate of pay for the quality of work you want is easy.
if you where going for a job, what rate of pay would you want which means that you will do a good job because you want to carry on working for your employer.
you have now found out the rate for the job, so stop trying to save money and pay it.
If I paid people the type of money that I desire then my business would go bankrupt.
I'm officially unemployable. Its not because I'm good either. :o
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basically i offered hours of 8am-7pm 5 days a week half hour unpaid dinner
window cleaning till work done then collecting till 7pm to increase cash flow
i offered the lad £400 a week which prob works out £7.60 ish
then they began moaning saying they dont wana be out every night till that time
so i though ok finish at 5.30- 6pm and collect on tues n thursday
this hasnt materialised either really
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basically i offered hours of 8am-7pm 5 days a week half hour unpaid dinner
window cleaning till work done then collecting till 7pm to increase cash flow
i offered the lad £400 a week which prob works out £7.60 ish
then they began moaning saying they dont wana be out every night till that time
so i though ok finish at 5.30- 6pm and collect on tues n thursday
this hasnt materialised either really
There are plenty of jobs around on £6.08 if he doesn't fancy that Rich.
What people don't seem to accept on this forum is that window cleaning is viewed by people outside our trade as a bottom end of the market job. Now that the old days of lugging ladders around have gone it isn't really a hard or dangerous job either.
£7.60 ph seems a reasonable wage to me.
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Richy
you are walking in a minefield again, charles dickens would have written a book about you.
have you heard about the "working time directive" if not see the link, but in simple terms, you CANNOT force your staff to work more than 48 hours a week on average (over 17 weeks)
you also are kind to give your staff 30 minutes a day unpaid lunch break, is this away from the workplace, because if it is not then you are in the doodle again.
if any of you staff get it into their head to take you to a tribual, you will end up with serious finiancial penaltys that far outway your total wage bill.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/WorkingHoursAndTimeOff/DG_10029426
that other reason why I spent over £600 with a company that knows employment law
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basically i offered hours of 8am-7pm 5 days a week half hour unpaid dinner
window cleaning till work done then collecting till 7pm to increase cash flow
i offered the lad £400 a week which prob works out £7.60 ish
then they began moaning saying they dont wana be out every night till that time
so i though ok finish at 5.30- 6pm and collect on tues n thursday
this hasnt materialised either really
that's a really long day richy.
i pay mine for what i call a days work, and they can knock off once their done. they usually work 8-3 ish
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Richy
you are walking in a minefield again, charles dickens would have written a book about you.
have you heard about the "working time directive" if not see the link, but in simple terms, you CANNOT force your staff to work more than 48 hours a week on average (over 17 weeks)
you also are kind to give your staff 30 minutes a day unpaid lunch break, is this away from the workplace, because if it is not then you are in the doodle again.
if any of you staff get it into their head to take you to a tribual, you will end up with serious finiancial penaltys that far outway your total wage bill.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/WorkingHoursAndTimeOff/DG_10029426
that other reason why I spent over £600 with a company that knows employment law
i understand people can opt out of the working time directive. just get them to sign an opt out form when they start.
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They can opt out of the working time directive, but by the sound of it, riches workforce don't want to work these long hours, and I doubt if richly has a opt out form that they have signed
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basically i offered hours of 8am-7pm 5 days a week half hour unpaid dinner
window cleaning till work done then collecting till 7pm to increase cash flow
i offered the lad £400 a week which prob works out £7.60 ish
then they began moaning saying they dont wana be out every night till that time
so i though ok finish at 5.30- 6pm and collect on tues n thursday
this hasnt materialised either really
It's up to you what you want to pay your staff.
But the figure of £7.60 ish you have posted there is flat rate (£400 / 52.5 hrs) and does not show that you pay your workers any overtime rate.
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Richy,
I think its good to set a fair amount of working hours say 35-40 if you want to increase cash flow with collecting, let the colelctor start a bit later that day say he work 11-7pm I think a happy team is a good productive team, its NOT all about the money, but working conditions, how you are treated/spoken to, its also about having realistic expectation on both sides.
You could deffo get someone to work the hours you want with the pay you are paying, but how good would their work be? What would the quality be like?
Is collecetion a big part of your business, can you try and convert them to other methods, this would remove the problem completley.
If I had guys working till 7pm, it would not be collecting it would be canvassing :) - However if its a must and you cannot/do not want to change your current hours, maybe tell the colelctor that they get a percentage of any moneys colelcted as a bonus.
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I personally think that window cleaning should be minimum wage exempt and all staff 21 and over should have a wage cap of £5 an hour.
Employee's under the age of 21 should be paying their employers for the training that they receive, possibly by government funding.
I'd also be keen to scrap holiday pay too because it is bang out of order.
Anyway,
I'm now off to watch the Vale hammer Barnet,
Cheers,
Dean.
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They can opt out of the working time directive, but by the sound of it, riches workforce don't want to work these long hours, and I doubt if richly has a opt out form that they have signed
:) :) :) :)
True. best to get them to opt out when the sign their contract, otherwise theyll whine, and or expect more money
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like i said that was the plan for them to work them hours for now until i can maybe afford to bring in someone to collect, dont get me wrong i do allow them to finish early if had a good productive day or work is completed thats why i was asking what others do
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i would imagine they will be working these long hours for much longer one is a newbie cleaner so still getting up to speed and the other has experience, but we have been doing loads and loads of new cleans and were also catching up with work so hence long hours i think when things settle in a month or two and we have enough work and its all maintenance cleans lads will be bk at 5ish at latest and i think i will be getting them to collect tues n thurs
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8 till 7 is OK hours if you are the boss and are prepared to put in the time and don't have a life outside of work. If you were an employee and were expected to 10 hour plus days with 30 minutes break, you would soon get fed up and jump ship.
I believe you have to have a balance. For example, why not make the hours 8 till 4 with an hour's lunch, paid if they meet targets as a bonus, and unpaid if they don't.
Your wage bill would be reduced to 304 quid a week with the lunch paid bonus, your workers wouldn't be knackered from working excess hours, and so would be fresher. And they could have the evenings off.
John
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no one wants to work more than 40 hours per week. working 8 till 7 means theyre out of the house for over 12 hours a day. they have no time to do anything else. window cleaning is boring enough doing it 8 hours a day. this may sound rude but it seems from your posts that you make mistakes when it comes to about every decision in your business, im baffled
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Richy why don't you just employ staff on a part time basis of 24 hours a week, this way they can get maximum tax credits, they don't pay income tax, but they do pay a few quid in national insurance, you save money as well because you don't pay any national insurance and only a little amount in employers tax.
You can then get them to do 2 days a week at 12 hours a day, you will benefit from having available staff if any are sick or go on holiday.
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
You're joking right?
I was doing about £200 a day so earning about £100 for myself - you reckon it should be 80/20 split? So you would of expected me to earn £40 a day??? And I had to pay my own fuel and insurance ;D ;D
Now I do a similar amount a day and don't have to give half away
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
You're joking right?
I was doing about £200 a day so earning about £100 for myself - you reckon it should be 80/20 split? So you would of expected me to earn £40 a day??? And I had to pay my own fuel and insurance ;D ;D
Now I do a similar amount a day and don't have to give half away
no i'm not joking. i dont reckon any emplyed WC deserves to earn £100 a day. That's a wage of over £24 000 for an unskilled light manual job. that's throwing money away.
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Are they going to work by torchlight then in the winter ???
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I would just like to thank you richy for providing another great post,
you are with out dought the most entertaining member, keep
up the good work ;D
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basically i offered hours of 8am-7pm 5 days a week half hour unpaid dinner
window cleaning till work done then collecting till 7pm to increase cash flow
i offered the lad £400 a week which prob works out £7.60 ish
then they began moaning saying they dont wana be out every night till that time
so i though ok finish at 5.30- 6pm and collect on tues n thursday
this hasnt materialised either really
One sentence it is the lad,the next it is they? ? ?.I didn't think you had enough work to provide him/them these sort of hours?
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
You're joking right?
I was doing about £200 a day so earning about £100 for myself - you reckon it should be 80/20 split? So you would of expected me to earn £40 a day??? And I had to pay my own fuel and insurance ;D ;D
Now I do a similar amount a day and don't have to give half away
no i'm not joking. i dont reckon any emplyed WC deserves to earn £100 a day. That's a wage of over £24 000 for an unskilled light manual job. that's throwing money away.
Well that's the point then - I was SELF employed
Who on earth is ever going to find a decent hard working, trustworthy employee in this game who will work for peanuts?
Good luck
Why can't people on this forum just take a genuine reply to a question with the honesty it's intended with??
I don't care if you pay peanuts or if you feel a good worker doesn't derserve a decent wage - what goes around comes around
I genuinely hope you never come on here complaining about only ever getting a stream of poor workers
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
so a ten pound job you would get 2....are you nuts
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
You're joking right?
I was doing about £200 a day so earning about £100 for myself - you reckon it should be 80/20 split? So you would of expected me to earn £40 a day??? And I had to pay my own fuel and insurance ;D ;D
Now I do a similar amount a day and don't have to give half away
no i'm not joking. i dont reckon any emplyed WC deserves to earn £100 a day. That's a wage of over £24 000 for an unskilled light manual job. that's throwing money away.
Well that's the point then - I was SELF employed
Who on earth is ever going to find a decent hard working, trustworthy employee in this game who will work for peanuts?
Good luck
Why can't people on this forum just take a genuine reply to a question with the honesty it's intended with??
I don't care if you pay peanuts or if you feel a good worker doesn't derserve a decent wage - what goes around comes around
I genuinely hope you never come on here complaining about only ever getting a stream of poor workers
when i said employed i meant working for another WC rather than working for himself. whilst you may have been legally self employed, you were in fact working for an employer.
the question richy asked was about how much to pay employees , and a forum is a place where people have discussions.
out of interest, i have had plenty of problems with employees, some of them WCs, and I have actually had more problems with the WC that i paid the most.
i believe that problems that we have are more down to mistakes made in recruitment and management not simply how much you pay people. as a result i have learned a lot about recruitment and selection and taken a lot of specialist advise on it. i have also changed my payment structures which are low basic with bonuses based on advice and information from WCs on this forum and others.
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
so a ten pound job you would get 2....are you nuts
if they do 5 or 6 ten pound jobs an hour, then that's £12 an hour. that's a phenomenal wage for an unskilled worker.
i've just employed a degree graduate with 10 years experience in customer service and admin on £6.50 an hour.
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
so a ten pound job you would get 2....are you nuts
if they do 5 or 6 ten pound jobs an hour, then that's £12 an hour. that's a phenomenal wage for an unskilled worker.
i've just employed a degree graduate with 10 years experience in customer service and admin on £6.50 an hour.
richard £12 an hiour is a good wage for a unskilled worker but i dont think you will find many that can cover 6 x £10 jobs an hour day in and day out. also this means you would be making £48 an hour from each staff member, in my own personal view this would be immoral but i do know companies that pay peanuts to their staff and treat them like crap, you say you are paying a graduate with ten years experience the sum of £6.50 an hour well all i can say is shame on you, i hope one day you recieve a bit of what your dishing out.
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im forever changing my mind what i want to pay staff always coming up with new ideas how we can all benefit and keep them motivated and put in the hours without crippling myself in meantime
so anyone who has fair size business not just a cash in hand worker how do u pay staff to keep them motivated enough to do a good job, not skint thru the month where it affects there work etc im not a skin flint but also wont pay huge
i thought about this richy as im thinking of putting another van on the road. what about on a self employed basis and you pay a basic wage but when the worker hits a certain figure of say 180 for the day then anything over that amount would be split between you and him on a 50/50 basis . so if he hits 270 there would be 45 each bonus giving him an incentive to work hard . of course you need to make sure he cleans them to your standards..
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had a real bad experience with a driving employee whose wrecked a van ,then gone on to target my customers. i wont ever employ a driver again. im going to just employ parttimers ,ones with no licence and have thought it through .iv 3 p/t workers right now
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
so a ten pound job you would get 2....are you nuts
if they do 5 or 6 ten pound jobs an hour, then that's £12 an hour. that's a phenomenal wage for an unskilled worker.
i've just employed a degree graduate with 10 years experience in customer service and admin on £6.50 an hour.
richard £12 an hiour is a good wage for a unskilled worker but i dont think you will find many that can cover 6 x £10 jobs an hour day in and day out. also this means you would be making £48 an hour from each staff member, in my own personal view this would be immoral but i do know companies that pay peanuts to their staff and treat them like crap, you say you are paying a graduate with ten years experience the sum of £6.50 an hour well all i can say is shame on you, i hope one day you recieve a bit of what your dishing out.
Even if i'm turning over £60 an hour, it doesnt mean that I'm making £48 profit. There's plenty of expenses in my business that reduce my profit. For a start as soon as I;m vat registered, my profit will be reduced by £12 an hour so that's some like £38 an hour I'm making before my other overheads are taken into account. I dont know what size your business is, but when you scale up your business your overheads increase and your profit is effected.
And by the way my graduate with 10 yrs experience is delighted to work for me for £6.50 an hour. I'm not sure if you have reasons for being so emotional about what other people earn, but if my staff are happy with the deal they get from working in my business, and I am happy, then it's not really for you to judge is it? :P
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Before I went on my own Richy, I worked for a local bloke full time self employed.
The rate was 50/50 - I used his van, water etc..
Basically, the more I did the more I earned - his problem tho was most of his work is underpriced.
He only took on blokes who were over 25 (for the insurance he claimed)
And tbh they all worked fairly hard most of the time because we all had financial commitments so needed to earn :)
If you were getting 50% you should have stayed self employed with him!
you cant usually keep them self employed and be acting within the law, unless there on low hours and have another job (and various other factors). but a 50-50 split is crazy. should be more like 20-80 to the owner
so a ten pound job you would get 2....are you nuts
if they do 5 or 6 ten pound jobs an hour, then that's £12 an hour. that's a phenomenal wage for an unskilled worker.
i've just employed a degree graduate with 10 years experience in customer service and admin on £6.50 an hour.
richard £12 an hiour is a good wage for a unskilled worker but i dont think you will find many that can cover 6 x £10 jobs an hour day in and day out. also this means you would be making £48 an hour from each staff member, in my own personal view this would be immoral but i do know companies that pay peanuts to their staff and treat them like crap, you say you are paying a graduate with ten years experience the sum of £6.50 an hour well all i can say is shame on you, i hope one day you recieve a bit of what your dishing out.
Even if i'm turning over £60 an hour, it doesnt mean that I'm making £48 profit. There's plenty of expenses in my business that reduce my profit. For a start as soon as I;m vat registered, my profit will be reduced by £12 an hour so that's some like £38 an hour I'm making before my other overheads are taken into account. I dont know what size your business is, but when you scale up your business your overheads increase and your profit is effected.
And by the way my graduate with 10 yrs experience is delighted to work for me for £6.50 an hour. I'm not sure if you have reasons for being so emotional about what other people earn, but if my staff are happy with the deal they get from working in my business, and I am happy, then it's not really for you to judge is it? :P
i think i know enough about business to understand vat and profit. upto february this year i employed over 25 staff but lost a big contract not through bad work but through being undercut,so am now down to just 3 staff, fortunately due to TUPE rules the firm that took contract had to pay same wages to staff transferred but the staff are not happy and a few have rang asking if i get any other work to please ring them, beleive me the hourly rate charged was no where near the amount discussed above and i still paid the staff between £8 and £15 an hour depending on their position and was still able to make a profit, you are right that as a business gets bigger extra costs are incurred but these costs are spread over a larger workforce so they should not effect your profit, look at some really large cleaning firms they go in dirt cheap often under £9 an hour and from this pay staff and overheds but still manage to make a profit often only having a profit margin of about 2%, i know for a fact i could not compete if only making 2% profit but their turnover is so large they do ok from that, personally i am not willing to pay peanuts to compete for these jobs as i have always valued my employees, you are right it is not for me to judge how you run your business but i bet you would not work for £6.50 an hour
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basically i offered hours of 8am-7pm 5 days a week half hour unpaid dinner
window cleaning till work done then collecting till 7pm to increase cash flow
i offered the lad £400 a week which prob works out £7.60 ish
then they began moaning saying they dont wana be out every night till that time
so i though ok finish at 5.30- 6pm and collect on tues n thursday
this hasnt materialised either really
One sentence it is the lad,the next it is they? ? ?.I didn't think you had enough work to provide him/them these sort of hours?
sorry it reads wrong its meant to say ive offered the lads.......my business has grown loads again through lots of leafletting and canvassing prob doubled in size again over last couple of months
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My WC end up on about £8 an hour for their typical days so were on about the same level there.
I wouldnt pay anyone £15 an hour unless they were management.
I worked for £6.50 an hour myself whilst i was doing market research for my business.
the customer services girl is great but in her own words not ambitious and want s an easy life without stress, hence her job and wage
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basically i offered hours of 8am-7pm 5 days a week half hour unpaid dinner
window cleaning till work done then collecting till 7pm to increase cash flow
i offered the lad £400 a week which prob works out £7.60 ish
then they began moaning saying they dont wana be out every night till that time
so i though ok finish at 5.30- 6pm and collect on tues n thursday
this hasnt materialised either really
One sentence it is the lad,the next it is they? ? ?.I didn't think you had enough work to provide him/them these sort of hours?
sorry it reads wrong its meant to say ive offered the lads.......my business has grown loads again through lots of leafletting and canvassing prob doubled in size again over last couple of months
NOW IF YOU COULD ONLY LISTEN TO ADVICE YOU MIGHT RETAIN SOME OF THEM !
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to be honest most my staff have always been happy the lad working for me again now left last time because wages i was offering werent enough coz it costs him ten quid a day getting to work, i let one lad go coz i was struggling after break ins who would love to come bk but needs a licence and the other lad left coz he set up on his own the snake
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lad left coz he set up on his own the snake
Richy
you will find a high percentage of your staff will go down this route, you pay peanuts, get them to work long hours and finally you get them to collect the money.
How long before the penny drops in their head and they work out that if they use all this effort, they can build a business up for themselves and then they can keep all the money.
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Richey you make window cleaning sound so complicated.
You should pay a decent wage maybe 7 to £8 an hour then a bonus if they reach there daily target or pay them as output workers where they get a set amount for a set task
Also don't have them collect that's a separate job you can't expect your worker to be very productive all day then make them work late. It will just make them fed up with the job. do the collecting yourself.