Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: home6442 on August 13, 2012, 08:46:09 pm
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For all you window cleaners who are thinking of investing in wfp. I would just like to let you know about
one major flaw with this type of cleaning.
Its not a fault with the system as such but with some of the windows that you will be cleaning.
Picture the window frame. One or two hinged windows that open out above a fixed window below.
You clean the upper windows first and then clean the fixed window.
The proplem is as follows a upvc frame is not solid and the upper frames can fill up with water which
then slowly drips out on to the clean glass below after you have left.
This will leave streaks and spotting.
Some windows might drip for a few minutes only and some can drip for hours.
I have a lot of windows like this and in 3 years of wfp cleaning have not been able to find a way to sort the proplem
other than doing them the traditional way which defeats the point of using a wfp system.
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Never happen to me mate and have lots like that.
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Never happen to me mate and have lots like that.
bloody hell who woke you up,or was it a nightmare ;D ;D ;D
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You are about to have an avalanche of member tell you are not doing things right so many of your assumption are not correct maybe you should just give up, if you are having problem after 3 years.
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I have never had this problem,you must be doing something wrong John ?
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I never see that, its called staff
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Everyone has a few windows on the round that can be a problem. You either figure a way to do them via trial and error or trad them or just accept it. It does not mean that the other 5500 windows you do a month with wfp are any less perfect.
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1st post and slating water fed pole :o
Can't see you making a senior member :)
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joined to tell the world about wfp ::)
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This problem also affects trad window cleaners as well, because the frames that fill, up fill from rain water not wfp. I've had it in the past, you wipe the frame with your cloth and the frame drips for ages over the pane of glass underneath.
The difference between trad and wfp is that with trad you have a dry piece of glass with water beads running down the middle, very noticeable, but wfp the window is already covered in water so it doesn't notice (although it will still spot).
I'd say more a design flaw of the window that wfp or trad.
Simon.
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For all you window cleaners who are thinking of investing in wfp. I would just like to let you know about
one major flaw with this type of cleaning.
Its not a fault with the system as such but with some of the windows that you will be cleaning.
Picture the window frame. One or two hinged windows that open out above a fixed window below.
You clean the upper windows first and then clean the fixed window.
The proplem is as follows a upvc frame is not solid and the upper frames can fill up with water which
then slowly drips out on to the clean glass below after you have left.
This will leave streaks and spotting.
Some windows might drip for a few minutes only and some can drip for hours.
I have a lot of windows like this and in 3 years of wfp cleaning have not been able to find a way to sort the proplem
other than doing them the traditional way which defeats the point of using a wfp system.
totally agree. its not as perfect a system as a lot on here seem to think. spotting is no 1 problem for wfp i noticed this when returning to some windows that i cleaned earliar to find a few spots .nothing major, (customer has never complained). but i notice it . i wonder how many custys put up with it
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1st post and slating water fed pole :o
Can't see you making a senior member :)
How was he slating wfp? He's a wfp user and pointed out a flaw that he has experienced with the system.
It's funny how people get so defensive about the way they clean windows.
And as for being a senior member.......great :-\.
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I have & still do (for the time being) worked in the manufacture & fitting of Double Glazed windows & doors for 25 yrs .
It must be the drainage that is dripping every opener has concealed drainage holes usually two , the outer frame also has drainage holes some concealed & some on the face of the frame .
Water gets into the frame when water hits the glass unit but escapes through the drainage holes.
The upvc frame is made up of chambers & water runs through one of these chambers & out the drainage holes .
Nothing you can do to stop this :P :-\
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no system is perfect
but luckily i am ;D
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I think it's a wind up.
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For all you window cleaners who are thinking of investing in wfp. I would just like to let you know about
one major flaw with this type of cleaning.
Its not a fault with the system as such but with some of the windows that you will be cleaning.
Picture the window frame. One or two hinged windows that open out above a fixed window below.
You clean the upper windows first and then clean the fixed window.
The proplem is as follows a upvc frame is not solid and the upper frames can fill up with water which
then slowly drips out on to the clean glass below after you have left.
This will leave streaks and spotting.
Some windows might drip for a few minutes only and some can drip for hours.
I have a lot of windows like this and in 3 years of wfp cleaning have not been able to find a way to sort the proplem
other than doing them the traditional way which defeats the point of using a wfp system.
totally agree. its not as perfect a system as a lot on here seem to think. spotting is no 1 problem for wfp i noticed this when returning to some windows that i cleaned earliar to find a few spots .nothing major, (customer has never complained). but i notice it . i wonder how many custys put up with it
I would agree Andrew not perfect by any means comes but into its own when it comes to avoiding ladder work. But all that rinsing and water to avoid the spots, dried on bird strikes, baked on insect spots, oxidised frames, degraded upvc - tradding sorts it out quicker and better.
And as for the downs I am thinking many a time I could have tradded this and been gone by now instead still here rinsing with hose getting trapped in the roses etc..!!!!.
G.
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the only problem i got when i first started was the run down the middle of the fixed window below 2 little openers.i soon rectified that! ;D ;D
i dont get any of the problems you ve mentioned!
the only problem i get with wfp is dodgy badly fitted rubber seals!its amazing how many window fitters dont fit these properly!so sometimes water gets trapped in the seal and mixes with a little dirt and runs down after you ve rinsed causing the glass to spot when dried.
but even with these ive adjusted my technique so it doesnt happen often.
WFP is not perfect but its close 95% of the time.some window cleaners are just thick or inexperienced(or both!)and are careless in their approach to their cleaning IMO.
REGARDS
DAZMOND
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I find the other issue is that when arrive at a job the pole has never taken itself out of the van and prepared itself for work.... my reel also just sits there waiting for me to make the first move..
Its flawed... terribly flawed.
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I find the other issue is that when arrive at a job the pole has never taken itself out of the van and prepared itself for work.... my reel also just sits there waiting for me to make the first move..
Its flawed... terribly flawed.
thats strange all the polish lads i know are very hard workers ;D
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if cleaned properly water which is pure will never mark, any experienced wfp user will know how to deal with any type of window, weather it is cleaning and rinsing the top six inches and then going around again after it has stopped dripping or any other method. the system is not flawed, the worker is flawed
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For all you window cleaners who are thinking of investing in wfp. I would just like to let you know about
one major flaw with this type of cleaning.
Its not a fault with the system as such but with some of the windows that you will be cleaning.
Picture the window frame. One or two hinged windows that open out above a fixed window below.
You clean the upper windows first and then clean the fixed window.
The proplem is as follows a upvc frame is not solid and the upper frames can fill up with water which
then slowly drips out on to the clean glass below after you have left.
This will leave streaks and spotting.
Some windows might drip for a few minutes only and some can drip for hours.
I have a lot of windows like this and in 3 years of wfp cleaning have not been able to find a way to sort the proplem
other than doing them the traditional way which defeats the point of using a wfp system.
WHAT A STUPID POST FROM A STUPID PERSON,GO AWAY
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I find the other issue is that when arrive at a job the pole has never taken itself out of the van and prepared itself for work.... my reel also just sits there waiting for me to make the first move..
Its flawed... terribly flawed.
;D ;D ;D
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its a waste of time on builders cleans as well...
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Cant believe some of the comments about this post.
How dare anybody find a fault with wfp cleaning.
Once again it has to be the window cleaner and not system.
Yes it must be my fault as I didnt pass my degree in window cleaning.
I wonder how many of the replies are from window cleaners or equipment sellers.
Particularly like the comment that a good wfp window cleaner will always find a way
rinsing etc. Ill just do window frames with no drain holes.
I started wfp window cleaning about 4 years ago with at least 12 other guys all on wfp
im the only one still going.Tried to get some of their customers when they stopped every time same answer no thanks that type of cleaning leaves streaks on the windows. I work in a area where you cant spit without hitting a window cleaner all waiting to take my work.
Saying no system is perfect wont stop a customer going elsewhere because of better quality cleaning.
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I don't know how I coped - 10 years trad and now 6 years wfp. Must be doing something right. Georgian panes; aluminium; flaky paint; perished seals; lead etc. You persist 'til you get good at it. It can be done John.
Also - not many equipment suppliers on here - all except the very best get eaten for breakfast with their parts per billion and poor customer service and scaffolding poles for wfp.
Perhaps you are in some luddite backwater - Oop North in Lancashire or out in the sticks in Norn Irn?
That can work against you if you have a few unimaginative windies that stick to trad. because they can't hack the change to wfp? And if you have custies who don't care if you break your neck.
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I've been using WFP 7 years... I get the occasional problem window...
I cleaned a new customer last week... A new build house, lots of dust on the windows and in the window vents, the sun was very hot directly on the 4 top back windows, they were drying too quickly and leaving dirty streaks all down the glass from the vents... I tried cleaning them 4 times WFP, but same results each time - I got the ladders off the van and trad'ed them! I'll see what happens on the next clean.
Andy
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The biggest flaw - if it can be called a flaw - I find is that you don't get to see the finished result until much - much later and by then it can be too late to save the customer no matter how careful or methodical you have approached the job!
Traditional method you see the finished result immediately.
You then have the choice to leave it or put it right.
g.
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Im making a nice living thanks to wfp window cleaning so I would never try to put it down in
any way.
I also know that lots of window cleaners use it very successfully doing a first class job.
But this is a real problem 40% of the windows I clean leak in this way.
I could write a book on all the different ways I tried get round this problem.
Now If I get a window with this problem I trad it. It means more ladder work than I would like
but work is work.
Im sure there are lots of you guys out there that are lucky not to have this problem.
As I have said this post is aimed at new wfp cleaners just something to look out for.
Wfp window cleaning has got a bad reputation in area where I work some down to cowboys
doing a careless job. But I firmly believe that this factor has a part to play as well.