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Title: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 08, 2012, 01:33:41 pm
Hi

I am looking at taking on more staff who will be trained up to not only clean windows but also to run a business and if they fit the bill and they want it to offer them a franchise, if they just want a job then that is ok as well.

I think that someone from a ex forces career would be the ideal person male or female.

Is there anywhere that I can advertise for them, like a ex forces website or magazine etc?
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Ian101 on August 08, 2012, 01:39:29 pm
Tell the truth u just like the thought of rough tough men in uniform  :)
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: ben M on August 08, 2012, 01:40:26 pm
Tell the truth u just like the thought of rough tough men in uniform :-)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: richardlingard on August 08, 2012, 01:52:31 pm
would seem like a good idea, especially someone who has been in a few years - defo someone who would know how to work
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Ian101 on August 08, 2012, 02:47:51 pm
Tosh will dress up for you for a tenner ... So I'm told
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Michael B on August 08, 2012, 02:54:05 pm
Hi, excuse my lack of an introduction as this is my first post.
I left the Royal Marines in 2010 and i was given access to a service leavers only recruitment website-

https://www.ctp.org.uk/employers (https://www.ctp.org.uk/employers)

Hope this is of some help!
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: richardlingard on August 08, 2012, 03:22:37 pm
hi and welcome to the forum m8, i should imagine that would be of very much use to a few on here.

i grew up in a town called Deal in Kent, right opposite the marine barracks
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 08, 2012, 03:30:15 pm
http://www.army.mod.uk/soldier-magazine/soldier-magazine.aspx

Soldiers also get a good resettlement package to pay for training once they leave the forces; if you can provide proper training, they can pay for it; or rather the tax payer pays for it.

You need to know a little about the rules though to make this work.  Soldiers only get about £700 to pay for their actual course, but some courses run into the £1000s.  So what many companies do is say that forces personnel can get a 80% discount, but they have to live in the accommodation provided.

The course then puts the guys into cheap bed and breakfast, charges an extortionate rate for it, and the course providers make their money through the accommodation charges (which the tax payer also pays for).

It's a bit of a con really, but there are businesses which actively target forces personnel on their resettlement package.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Elfyn on August 08, 2012, 05:57:02 pm
It might have changed now but, when I came out of the RN I was entitled to an EVT period. I ended up on full pay working in the trade that I planned to go into for three months .
Having said that, it was a long time ago.  ::)
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 08, 2012, 06:26:50 pm
Hi, excuse my lack of an introduction as this is my first post.
I left the Royal Marines in 2010 and i was given access to a service leavers only recruitment website-

https://www.ctp.org.uk/employers (https://www.ctp.org.uk/employers)

Hope this is of some help!


Micheal

many thanks or that, I will give them a call tomorrow and arrange a meeting.

 
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: daniel worgan on August 08, 2012, 08:16:41 pm
http://www.army.mod.uk/soldier-magazine/soldier-magazine.aspx

Soldiers also get a good resettlement package to pay for training once they leave the forces; if you can provide proper training, they can pay for it; or rather the tax payer pays for it.

You need to know a little about the rules though to make this work.  Soldiers only get about £700 to pay for their actual course, but some courses run into the £1000s.  So what many companies do is say that forces personnel can get a 80% discount, but they have to live in the accommodation provided.

The course then puts the guys into cheap bed and breakfast, charges an extortionate rate for it, and the course providers make their money through the accommodation charges (which the tax payer also pays for).

It's a bit of a con really, but there are businesses which actively target forces personnel on their resettlement package.

so you come out of the forces and get paid for training in another job at the taxpayers expense?
cushy number there then.....
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 08, 2012, 08:34:31 pm
http://www.army.mod.uk/soldier-magazine/soldier-magazine.aspx

Soldiers also get a good resettlement package to pay for training once they leave the forces; if you can provide proper training, they can pay for it; or rather the tax payer pays for it.

You need to know a little about the rules though to make this work.  Soldiers only get about £700 to pay for their actual course, but some courses run into the £1000s.  So what many companies do is say that forces personnel can get a 80% discount, but they have to live in the accommodation provided.

The course then puts the guys into cheap bed and breakfast, charges an extortionate rate for it, and the course providers make their money through the accommodation charges (which the tax payer also pays for).

It's a bit of a con really, but there are businesses which actively target forces personnel on their resettlement package.

so you come out of the forces and get paid for training in another job at the taxpayers expense?
cushy number there then.....

I have no problem with my taxes being spent on the men and women who have put or would have, their lives on the line, for the my protection and wellbeing.

Instead too much of my money is wasted on the idle wanna be disabled scroungers who think the world should pay for their xbox's and designer clothes, while they drink everyday and chill out with the enough drugs to keep the columbians in fast cars and pretty women.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: mickwc on August 08, 2012, 08:46:00 pm
Hi,
i'm ex-forces myself, i think thats a great idea, have a look at www.questonline.co.uk
this is published as a free magazine as well as the website and is availble to all services, i used it a lot when i was looking at leaving the army, It has job adverts and also franchises averts. hope this helps?
Mick
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: daniel worgan on August 08, 2012, 08:47:50 pm
Hi,
i'm ex-forces myself, i think thats a great idea, have a look at www.questonline.co.uk
this is published as a free magazine as well as the website and is availble to all services, i used it a lot when i was looking at leaving the army, It has job adverts and also franchises averts. hope this helps?
Mick

Mick...do you get help buying franchises as well?
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dave Willis on August 08, 2012, 08:54:46 pm
http://www.army.mod.uk/soldier-magazine/soldier-magazine.aspx

Soldiers also get a good resettlement package to pay for training once they leave the forces; if you can provide proper training, they can pay for it; or rather the tax payer pays for it.

You need to know a little about the rules though to make this work.  Soldiers only get about £700 to pay for their actual course, but some courses run into the £1000s.  So what many companies do is say that forces personnel can get a 80% discount, but they have to live in the accommodation provided.

The course then puts the guys into cheap bed and breakfast, charges an extortionate rate for it, and the course providers make their money through the accommodation charges (which the tax payer also pays for).

It's a bit of a con really, but there are businesses which actively target forces personnel on their resettlement package.

so you come out of the forces and get paid for training in another job at the taxpayers expense?
cushy number there then.....

I have no problem with my taxes being spent on the men and women who have put or would have, their lives on the line, for the my protection and wellbeing.

Instead too much of my money is wasted on the idle wanna be disabled scroungers who think the world should pay for their xbox's and designer clothes, while they drink everyday and chill out with the enough drugs to keep the columbians in fast cars and pretty women.

What's a disabled scrounger  ???
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: mickwc on August 08, 2012, 09:17:21 pm
don't think you get help with buying a franchise, but i could be wrong, the army really do help you along as you leave. you can claim alot of money for training but it has to be provided by a registered training provider. After your main resettlement package, after you have left the forces you can claim enhanced learning credits, you can claim these 3 times towards some level 3 training, each time you can claim upto £1000. I myself opted to train as a watersports instructor, 6 weeks in australia!! nice! ;D

Mick
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: daniel worgan on August 08, 2012, 09:21:02 pm
Does anyone know if firefighters or other emergency services get the same benefits as the forces?
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 08, 2012, 09:27:54 pm
http://www.army.mod.uk/soldier-magazine/soldier-magazine.aspx

Soldiers also get a good resettlement package to pay for training once they leave the forces; if you can provide proper training, they can pay for it; or rather the tax payer pays for it.

You need to know a little about the rules though to make this work.  Soldiers only get about £700 to pay for their actual course, but some courses run into the £1000s.  So what many companies do is say that forces personnel can get a 80% discount, but they have to live in the accommodation provided.

The course then puts the guys into cheap bed and breakfast, charges an extortionate rate for it, and the course providers make their money through the accommodation charges (which the tax payer also pays for).

It's a bit of a con really, but there are businesses which actively target forces personnel on their resettlement package.

so you come out of the forces and get paid for training in another job at the taxpayers expense?
cushy number there then.....

I have no problem with my taxes being spent on the men and women who have put or would have, their lives on the line, for the my protection and wellbeing.

Instead too much of my money is wasted on the idle wanna be disabled scroungers who think the world should pay for their xbox's and designer clothes, while they drink everyday and chill out with the enough drugs to keep the columbians in fast cars and pretty women.

What's a disabled scrounger  ???

You never met one, come to brum and I will show you loads
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dean Taberner on August 08, 2012, 09:43:36 pm
What about if these army people don't like windows though?

It is possible because it isn't very nice really if you're honest is it?

Dean.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: dexter on August 08, 2012, 10:07:58 pm
Does anyone know if firefighters or other emergency services get the same benefits as the forces?

no firefighters dont get the same benefits. Depending on when a person joined the service depends on what pension scheme they are in. But the minimum is a 30 year pension scheme at the end of which the person usually retires so does not require re training.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Londoner on August 08, 2012, 10:23:57 pm
http://www.army.mod.uk/soldier-magazine/soldier-magazine.aspx

Always job adverts , mostly security jobs on minimum wages
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 08, 2012, 10:31:40 pm
Does anyone know if firefighters or other emergency services get the same benefits as the forces?

no firefighters dont get the same benefits. Depending on when a person joined the service depends on what pension scheme they are in. But the minimum is a 30 year pension scheme at the end of which the person usually retires so does not require re training.


You can get an imediate pension just after 22 years in the army.  You join at age 18 years old, serve until you're 40 - 22 years - you get a lump sum (depending on rank) of say £35,000 tax free, an immediate pension of about £400 per month (taxable); which increases when you're age 55.

You also get a very good resettlement package to retrain for a new occupation; though a lot of guys just go and get a bunch of driving licences (HGV 1, fork lift, Hazmat, etc).

One guy I knew went and got a civi pilots license; but he had to pay towards some of the cost himself.  Another, for a laugh (story; I don't know how true it is) got himself on a 'Circus Entertainer's Course' where he learnt how to eat fire, juggle, ride a unicycle and tightrope walk.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Londoner on August 08, 2012, 10:45:01 pm
A lot of guys are very unprepared for civilian life and if you treat them like poop shout and swear at them and tell them what to do every minute of the day they will actually like it and like you for doing it. This is not a joke by the way.
Ex soldiers are fish out of water and if you give them a secure environment to work in they will do well for you. Treat them like a civvy would expect to be treated and they overload on freedom.

Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Londoner on August 08, 2012, 10:48:15 pm
Does anyone know if firefighters or other emergency services get the same benefits as the forces?

no firefighters dont get the same benefits. Depending on when a person joined the service depends on what pension scheme they are in. But the minimum is a 30 year pension scheme at the end of which the person usually retires so does not require re training.


You can get an imediate pension just after 22 years in the army.  You join at age 18 years old, serve until you're 40 - 22 years - you get a lump sum (depending on rank) of say £35,000 tax free, an immediate pension of about £400 per month (taxable); which increases when you're age 55.

You also get a very good resettlement package to retrain for a new occupation; though a lot of guys just go and get a bunch of driving licences (HGV 1, fork lift, Hazmat, etc).

One guy I knew went and got a civi pilots license; but he had to pay towards some of the cost himself.  Another, for a laugh (story; I don't know how true it is) got himself on a 'Circus Entertainer's Course' where he learnt how to eat fire, juggle, ride a unicycle and tightrope walk.

I know an ex SAS WO who is now a childrens entertainer and making bundles of money.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 08, 2012, 11:35:44 pm
A lot of guys are very unprepared for civilian life and if you treat them like poop shout and swear at them and tell them what to do every minute of the day they will actually like it and like you for doing it. This is not a joke by the way.
Ex soldiers are fish out of water and if you give them a secure environment to work in they will do well for you. Treat them like a civvy would expect to be treated and they overload on freedom.


Even in the army you should never be treated like 'poop'.  Shouting is for parade grounds and battle fields too; not for general use.  And treat anyone like 'poop' and they won't thank you for it.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: andrew hamshare on August 09, 2012, 06:51:37 am
Try www.civvyjobs.com

Follow them on Twitter @CivvyJobs

Great idea btw
Andy
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Elfyn on August 09, 2012, 07:02:06 am
A lot of guys are very unprepared for civilian life and if you treat them like poop shout and swear at them and tell them what to do every minute of the day they will actually like it and like you for doing it. This is not a joke by the way.
Ex soldiers are fish out of water and if you give them a secure environment to work in they will do well for you. Treat them like a civvy would expect to be treated and they overload on freedom.



Very very true. I had massive problems adjusting to life as a civilian. Not because I was treated like poop though. People never appreciate how big a change it is.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Nameless Drudge on August 09, 2012, 03:24:14 pm
I`m ex forces,i thought every time i finished work for the day or weekend(stood down) i had to go on a bender in order to reach an all new low! and hence became an unemployable alcoholic.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Elfyn on August 09, 2012, 04:20:43 pm
I didn't have any drink problems, but I've been married end divorced twice and, up to doing this job, didn't stay in a job for more than 4 years.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: mickwc on August 09, 2012, 10:36:30 pm
A lot of ex-forces personnel are highly motivated and believe it or not quite intelligent really! Resettlement courses help the transition and I have a number of ex-army friends who are earning a hell of a lot of money in top level jobs with considerable responsibility. I'm quite sure ex-forces personnel could be relied upon to decide if they were interested in this sort of work and offer a lot of skills and benefits to an employer!

...

This is now Micks wife and I hardly ever look at these posts as Mick spends far too much of his time doing so, however I have to say I don't know how anyone has the nerve to even half moan at tax payers money going on courses to help these guys/girls adjust to life outside the forces - you should have a little more respect for what they do for not very good pay and clearly absolutely no thanks or gratitude from dick heads like some of the people on here. Ok, rant over, handing back to Mick.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: daniel worgan on August 10, 2012, 06:15:32 am
A lot of ex-forces personnel are highly motivated and believe it or not quite intelligent really! Resettlement courses help the transition and I have a number of ex-army friends who are earning a hell of a lot of money in top level jobs with considerable responsibility. I'm quite sure ex-forces personnel could be relied upon to decide if they were interested in this sort of work and offer a lot of skills and benefits to an employer!

...

This is now Micks wife and I hardly ever look at these posts as Mick spends far too much of his time doing so, however I have to say I don't know how anyone has the nerve to even half moan at tax payers money going on courses to help these guys/girls adjust to life outside the forces - you should have a little more respect for what they do for not very good pay and clearly absolutely no thanks or gratitude from dick heads like some of the people on here. Ok, rant over, handing back to Mick.

Why....are they so differant from other services that put their lives on the line.I for one have huge respect for firemen/women who put their lives on the line everytime they go to work,,,but they dont get any help apparently,so why should the armed forces be any differant than others????



Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: mickwc on August 10, 2012, 06:46:17 am
I didn't say they should be any different but perhaps that is what needs to change - negativity and criticism towards ex-forces personnel just because they do get such assistance is simply indicative of an uneducated approach - if you have energy and time to spare criticising, then perhaps such energy and time would be better spent taking steps to promote the cause of the other services and try to initiate change for them.  Why take a benefit away from people that receive it and deserve it simply to "even up the score" - push for the same benefits to be offered to others instead.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: daniel worgan on August 10, 2012, 07:20:18 am
I didn't say they should be any different but perhaps that is what needs to change - negativity and criticism towards ex-forces personnel just because they do get such assistance is simply indicative of an uneducated approach - if you have energy and time to spare criticising, then perhaps such energy and time would be better spent taking steps to promote the cause of the other services and try to initiate change for them.  Why take a benefit away from people that receive it and deserve it simply to "even up the score" - push for the same benefits to be offered to others instead.

But as an uneducated being i have been constantly reminded of the woes of individuals in the past so many years of the hardship caused to them by having benefits reduced/taken away,of individuals who through no fault of their own have lost their jobs and cant get another let alone financial assistance to retrain.What makes you think that the forces should be removed from such austerity measures.Yes we all hear about those fighting are losing their jobs,along with many other thousands of individuals who recieve no assistance.It is not a matter of fighting for those to receive the same as the forces,it should be about the forces accepting what others have to...and if you were educated enough you would realise that benefits of this kind need to be cut for all if they have to be cut.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 10, 2012, 01:31:51 pm
A lot of ex-forces personnel are highly motivated and believe it or not quite intelligent really! Resettlement courses help the transition and I have a number of ex-army friends who are earning a hell of a lot of money in top level jobs with considerable responsibility. I'm quite sure ex-forces personnel could be relied upon to decide if they were interested in this sort of work and offer a lot of skills and benefits to an employer!

...

This is now Micks wife and I hardly ever look at these posts as Mick spends far too much of his time doing so, however I have to say I don't know how anyone has the nerve to even half moan at tax payers money going on courses to help these guys/girls adjust to life outside the forces - you should have a little more respect for what they do for not very good pay and clearly absolutely no thanks or gratitude from dick heads like some of the people on here. Ok, rant over, handing back to Mick.

Why....are they so differant from other services that put their lives on the line.I for one have huge respect for firemen/women who put their lives on the line everytime they go to work,,,but they dont get any help apparently,so why should the armed forces be any differant than others????


Firemen have quite a nice little cushy number.  I covered during the firestrikes in Paisley when they all went on strike on the back of 9/11 wanting more dosh.  You know, a basic fireman was wanting the same pay as an army Warrant Officer; that made me smile.  And it's no-where near as dangerous as being in Helmand either.  Just look at the statistics; it's VERY VERY rare a fireman gets killed doing his duty; very rare.

And neither are firemen living in the dirt, drinking hot water, hundreds of miles away from home - months on end - away from their children and loved ones.

There is also a Covenant between the Nation, the State and the Armed Forces. This covenant recognises the fact that the whole nation has a moral obligation towards members of the armed forces.  It exists to redress the disadvantages that those serving face in comparison to civilians; and for the sacrifices they make.  And very special treatment should be given to all those mentally and physically injured because of their duty.

You sound like a bitter little man, dw, sort it out, mate.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: richardlingard on August 10, 2012, 02:06:16 pm
tosh mate not only is that well said i agree
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: daniel worgan on August 10, 2012, 02:16:47 pm
here we go.
i never said that forces personnel dont deserve
to be rewarded for the job they do.it
is blatantly obvious that they should receive
a salary to recognise the work they do.
what dont understand is why they get
extras when they leave,the same as i dont
understand why bankers get bonuses
when they loose money,the same as i dont
understand why the police get bonuses.
they are all paid to do a job,and they chose
to do the job,so i just question why
anyone paid at the taxpayers expense
gets better benefits than others.
sorry if that offends all you ex-forces but
thats how i see it,so dont give me none of
that "you sound like a bitter man" crap
i just have a point of view that differs to you.
Ffs everytime someone dont agree with
others,especially certain individuals,on
here we are said to be "bitter","uneducated"
etc etc....
gotta laugh really as it is all behind a keyboard
i'll take my uneducated and bitter opinions
elsewhere now and let you all agree with
each other if thats how you want topics
to flow!
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 10, 2012, 02:30:51 pm
dw, put your pet lip away!!

what dont understand is why they get
extras when they leave,the same as i dont
understand why bankers get bonuses
when they loose money,the same as i dont
understand why the police get bonuses.
they are all paid to do a job,and they chose
to do the job,so i just question why
anyone paid at the taxpayers expense
gets better benefits than others.

Look, in the army you get kicked out after 22 years, that means if you join at age 18 years old, when you reach 40 years old, you're out - no job.

And normally, due to all the different postings, not many soldiers have bought themselves a house; they have rented an army married quarter.  When you're away on tour, dodging bombs 'n' bullets, you don't want the hassle of tenants and broken boilers.

So, at age 40 you get a lump sum and a monthly pension.  Many soldiers will stick the lump sum down as a deposit on a house and the monthly pension will hopefully go some way to cover the mortgage remaining.

And since there's not a lot of call for many of the occupations in the armed services (infantry, armoured engineers, combat engineers, etc), the nation provides re-training so that ex-soldiers can provide for themselves and their family.  The longer you serve, the better your resettlement package.

And notice the word 'Service'; they do serve others, unlike bankers who only serve themselves - so it was uneducated to mention 'soldiers' and 'bankers' as if they're both conning the system.  You know, the guys currently doing security for the Olympics, I bet many of them were severely messed around because of that.  I've had to cancel holidays in the past, losing my deposits, because I had to go somewhere I didn't want to go; but the needs of the Nation over-rides the needs of the individual. 

I hope I've answered your questions and helped with your understanding.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: daniel worgan on August 10, 2012, 02:56:27 pm
Do they all get an "up their own arse" attitude as part of the resettlement package as well?
  ;D
Tosh you're right as usual....
Love Dan :-*
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 10, 2012, 03:00:03 pm
Do they all get an "up their own arse" attitude as part of the resettlement package as well?
  ;D
Tosh you're right as usual....
Love Dan :-*

 ;D

You give in too easy!

Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: AuRavelling79 on August 10, 2012, 03:25:11 pm
Hi

I am looking at taking on more staff who will be trained up to not only clean windows but also to run a business and if they fit the bill and they want it to offer them a franchise, if they just want a job then that is ok as well.

I think that someone from a ex forces career would be the ideal person male or female.

Is there anywhere that I can advertise for them, like a ex forces website or magazine etc?

Eeeeh Waaah! Eeeeh Waaah! (Screech of tyres heralding the arrival of the spelling and grammar police) ) If you advertise put "personnel" rather than "personal".
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: g.brookes on August 10, 2012, 04:11:13 pm
my general reaction to these comments is that we are not under threat.  i do not consider the army (currently) protecting me or fighting for me in any way.  their main use nowadays is in skirmishes against the taliban.  The taliban have repeatedly said if we leave their country alone, then they will leave us alone.  we cant go around policing the entire world, expecting them to all live in democracies like us.
anyway, this is a whole new can of worms....
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: magic moments on August 10, 2012, 04:16:46 pm
Ex forces to civilians,both as good in a working environment.,,
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 10, 2012, 04:42:58 pm
my general reaction to these comments is that we are not under threat.  i do not consider the army (currently) protecting me or fighting for me in any way.  their main use nowadays is in skirmishes against the taliban.  The taliban have repeatedly said if we leave their country alone, then they will leave us alone.  we cant go around policing the entire world, expecting them to all live in democracies like us.
anyway, this is a whole new can of worms....

And what's this got to do with the soldiers who go where they're sent by the elected government?
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: g.brookes on August 10, 2012, 04:56:25 pm
its a choice that all soldiers make when they sign up, and they will know that the only action currently going on is focussed on nullifying terrorism in places like afghanistan.  if north korea started attacking great britain then i would be fully supportive of our soldiers.  obviously it is not the soldiers who dictate their arena of action, ut they are complicit in that when they sign up, and aware of what the army is currently doing (preventative measures against terrorism).
this is all just my opinion obviously, but i stand by my opinion that they are not 'protecting' or defending' us because if we had no army focus in the middle east then there would be no terrorist threat to ourselves.  its only through our arrogance and assuming the whole world should be run like british and american societies that we end up in these situations
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Londoner on August 10, 2012, 08:12:46 pm
Soldiers do what they do because they want to, its primaeval.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Nameless Drudge on August 10, 2012, 10:25:07 pm
They do of course exist in a state of constant readiness to put their lives on the line first and this involves a certain lack of freedom that civilians take for granted!

The biggest sickener for a soldier is to be aware of exactly what type of people they are doing this for!
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 10, 2012, 10:52:59 pm
I am not ex forces, unless you count army cadets and the scouts, but I do respect what the armed services do in our name and for us.

Saying that, I also respect the other services that serve us, I respect the Fireman who will put his/her life on the line, to go into a burning building and see if anyone is there, I will respect the Police Officer who will go up against an armed robber, unarmed, I will respect the ambulance and hospital personel who turn up or are attacked or abused just for doing their job.

But lets look at the armed forces, they cannot strike, they cannot say no I won't do that, they have to go where the goverment says, if they don't they lose their job or in the old days, they went to jail or where shot.

Yes they joined will free will and under normal circumstances, they can have a great career, travelling around the world and seeing and experencing different cultures, but in a heartbeat they can be asked to put their lives on the line because we have elected a goverment that requires them to do so.

I go to the usa for holidays every year, the first time I was coming up the elevator at Atlanta airport to get my suitcase, and all I heard was clapping, I was well impressed that they knew I was coming, but alas it was not for me, but the clapping was for every serviceman/women who are coming back from hostile lands.

In the 70's, the usa citizens spat on their own countrymen and women because they served in the conflict that their goverment had sent them to do.

Nowadays the Usa goverment and citizens understand that they owe a great deal for every single serviceman/women that will do what a lot of them will not or cannot do.

My dad served this country in ww2, he didn't have too because he was irish.  But he came over and ended up in Dunkirk, after that and some training and so on, he was transferred to the far east, this didn't work out too well either and he spent 3 years in a japanese pow camp, when he was rescued at the end of the war, he was blind because of the lack of food and he spent 1 year in a hospital in Australia recovering before being shipped back home to jolly england.

On his return was he treated like a hero, not on your life, who is going to rent a room to an Irishman, the adverts stated that there are no vacancys for Blacks, Dogs and the Irish

If you want to compare bankers to servicemen/women then that is up to you, because my father fought for you to have this freedom of thought and I am sure not going to take that away from him.

and if the grammer is not perfect, well f*** off
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dave Willis on August 11, 2012, 07:36:07 am
Charming.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dave Willis on August 11, 2012, 07:39:24 am
So Hydro, what attracts you to employing ex forces workers?
Their dedication to the job, their ability to serve the nation, there willingness to understand orders?

Or could it be the package supplied by the tax payer that interests you?
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 11, 2012, 10:48:29 am
So Hydro, what attracts you to employing ex forces workers?
Their dedication to the job, their ability to serve the nation, there willingness to understand orders?

Or could it be the package supplied by the tax payer that interests you?

what package, I will not be taking a penny off them, I will offer them a job with a wage, I will train them up to clean windows, I will send them on a NCCA course which I will pay for, I will teach them how to run a  business etc

and after 4 to 6 months and they want one I will give them free of charge, a van with a wfp system and a customer database of £50k pa, if they don't want to be a franchiee then they can stay as a employee.

Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 11, 2012, 10:54:09 am
when I first started this post, I was unaware that they got a payout from the army running into many £1000's, so if they do take up my offer of a free franchise, they could use this package to grow their business futher and faster than the others I am offering it to, and because I will be getting a percentage from the franchisee, then yes I will benefit from taxpayers money.

Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 11, 2012, 10:56:25 am
and finally if you think or feel that I am using these men or women unfairly, say so and I will withdraw the offer and just give them jobs as a cleaner.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 11, 2012, 01:26:00 pm
So Hydro, what attracts you to employing ex forces workers?
Their dedication to the job, their ability to serve the nation, there willingness to understand orders?

Or could it be the package supplied by the tax payer that interests you?

what package, I will not be taking a penny off them, I will offer them a job with a wage, I will train them up to clean windows, I will send them on a NCCA course which I will pay for, I will teach them how to run a  business etc

and after 4 to 6 months and they want one I will give them free of charge, a van with a wfp system and a customer database of £50k pa, if they don't want to be a franchiee then they can stay as a employee.



You don't have to justify yourself, mate.  You run a business, not a charity.  If you were to find out what exactly the package soldier's received and found a way to target them, then so ruddy what?  The ex-squaddie gets a business and you get paid for your knowledge and hard work.   So both parties gain.  Isn't that what running an ethical business is about?

Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 11, 2012, 01:44:15 pm
Thanks for the reply tosh and you are right I am running a business but I seem to attract flack from some posters who question what I say or my morales, and these are from people who hide behind fictious names.

As I said I am running a business and nothing is ever free in life, thats why my offer will come with a higher percentage they pay me for the first 5 years, but they also have the option to pay a upfront fee for the franchise and in return they get to pay a lower percentage.

Either way I am happy with, ex-forces guys and girls, I think will have the right mental approach to making their franchises a sucessful business, especially if you look at how many are already in the window cleaning trade.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dave Willis on August 11, 2012, 02:18:29 pm
Pretty straightforward question really - you obviously are useless at selling your franchise package you've been on about for the last couple of years, don't have more than four days work a week by your own admission. I just wondered why you expect more success by targeting the armed services - must be a method to your madness?
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: William McCafferty on August 11, 2012, 04:25:03 pm
Where have I said that I will be giving them 5 days of work, I have promised them £50000 of work per year, all because I can do it in 3 or 4 days does not make it a bad deal, if they want they can spread it over 7 days.

And if you want to be picky, let's start with using your real name Dave w
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: magic moments on August 11, 2012, 05:06:03 pm
This post is ridiculous,ex forces ,civillians no better then each other.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Halfadaylee on August 11, 2012, 08:38:51 pm
Where have I said that I will be giving them 5 days of work, I have promised them £50000 of work per year, all because I can do it in 3 or 4 days does not make it a bad deal, if they want they can spread it over 7 days.

And if you want to be picky, let's start with using your real name Dave w

No, I am Dave w  ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 11, 2012, 08:44:32 pm
This post is ridiculous,ex forces ,civillians no better then each other.

I'm not sure if anyone is saying they are; but many businesses do target ex-forces because of the resettlement package they get.  They get paid time off from the army to attend these courses, and a wadge of money on top to pay for the course and accommodation costs.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dave Willis on August 11, 2012, 08:50:05 pm
That's how I read it. I presumed the op. had found a bit of an employment gold mine that many of us didn't know about.
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: *Hector* on August 11, 2012, 08:58:52 pm
I am Dave W and so is my wife  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Tom White on August 11, 2012, 09:04:37 pm
I am Dave W and so is my wife  ;D ;D

No, I AM Sparticus DAVE W!   *Thumps Chest*
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Frankybadboy on August 11, 2012, 09:09:56 pm
good evening iam mr Dave w.


hyrdo your a joker ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dave Willis on August 11, 2012, 09:18:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Moderator David@stives on August 11, 2012, 10:07:40 pm
It's all a dream

You need a dazzling personality like me to make all your dreams come true  ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Frankybadboy on August 11, 2012, 10:09:59 pm
It's all a dream

You need a dazzling personality like me to make all your dreams come true  ;D
no your just boring OLD Dave m ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Moderator David@stives on August 11, 2012, 10:11:43 pm
No Frank I am Dave Worris
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: Dean Taberner on August 12, 2012, 08:07:15 am
Chuck Norris
Title: Re: Recruiting Ex forces personal
Post by: andrew hamshare on August 12, 2012, 10:00:49 am
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