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Title: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 01, 2012, 03:21:19 pm
Just bought myself a 3300 diesel generator, would this be big enough to run my machine on ?
Thinking I will run i through my books  ;D
Might not be able to use the heat and run, but it should be man enough for 2 x 3 stage vacs and the pump
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: richie on August 01, 2012, 03:34:06 pm
Look at the link below. Should tell you what you need to know. 


http://www.tooled-up.com/artwork/ProdPDF/SDMOWhichGenerator.pdf
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Simon Gerrard on August 01, 2012, 04:26:20 pm
Why would you want to? ???
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: AJB on August 01, 2012, 04:51:13 pm
Providing you're using the Prochem motors
i.e low powered 1200w, you should be alright
without heat. Just stage switching everything on.
Allow a few seconds for each motor to settle.
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: AshWhite on August 01, 2012, 06:07:40 pm
That sounds like you'd be getting the drawbacks of a TM (fuel usage) without the good points (power, heat). Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Glynn on August 01, 2012, 08:07:01 pm
Why would you want to ?.
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 01, 2012, 08:08:59 pm
Just on the off chance I ever get a booking where there is no power, had one once and builders got one in, my real reason is I want a generator for something else and want to run it through my books  ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Simon Gerrard on August 01, 2012, 08:25:20 pm
Why would you want to ?.

Glyneth,
I already asked that ubfec ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Jamie Pearson on August 02, 2012, 07:24:25 am
Just on the off chance I ever get a booking where there is no power, had one once and builders got one in, my real reason is I want a generator for something else and want to run it through my books  ;D

FREE PARTIES !!!!!  8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: *Hector* on August 02, 2012, 07:44:09 am
doubt you would like the music noise that he plays though Jamie   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 02, 2012, 07:53:27 am
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FREE PARTIES !!!!!  Cool Cool Cool Cool

Shhhh  ;D
Offd to one out Norwich way next weekend, 2 rig linkup 20k system, guy running it had his van / generators and his last 10k system crushed by the rozzers a few years back, oh and a 2800 fine to boot, they come down hard out that way and even have a dedicated anti party unit , so it's like a game of cat and mouse, adds to the excitement  ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Ian Gourlay on August 02, 2012, 09:55:24 am
Bad move I will need to alert the police . These Raves cost Norfolk Tax payers a great deal of money, Stick to your side of the boarder ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 02, 2012, 10:30:16 am
 ;D Won't be putting anything on out that way,don't want any of my gear being crushed,think they were quite prolific out there though, plenty of forests
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: richie on August 02, 2012, 10:52:56 am
We did a outdoor event a few years a go, the generator was supplied for us when we got to the event.  Set everything up (15k music power) turned the volume up and as soon as the bass kicked in the generator slowed right down and the music went quieter.  We had to ask the people that booked us to go and get another generator and split the 2 between the amps.  Ideally what you need is to add up the total watts the amps are giving then add 50% (so if you have watts,  get a generator that will cope with 30k)
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 02, 2012, 11:00:40 am
Yes when we put them on 10 years ago we had 2 petrol gens prob about 8kva, were running a 2 k amp and a 1k amp, only a small system, one of the reasons we didn't upset any one with noise pollution, but we used to get the decks slurring when in the mix, stuff we play was more kick drum orientated rather than the bass heavy stuff like d+b and dubstep.
Diesel has more inertia, so can cope better with power hungry amps, my amps are al pretty solid c audio xr3801 running 2x 18 and 2 x 15 subs Peavey 8.5c running turbosound mids then a zoffmusic comet running my 4 turosound impacts and some hf horns,so about 5k in ampage in total  ;D Also have active x over, gate limiter 32 band eq, digital stuff does not like voltage spikes, so trying to run without a soundweb management system or a behringer deq2496.  ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: AshWhite on August 02, 2012, 11:15:48 am
Yes when we put them on 10 years ago we had 2 petrol gens prob about 8kva, were running a 2 k amp and a 1k amp, only a small system, one of the reasons we didn't upset any one with noise pollution, but we used to get the decks slurring when in the mix, stuff we play was more kick drum orientated rather than the bass heavy stuff like d+b and dubstep.
Diesel has more inertia, so can cope better with power hungry amps, my amps are al pretty solid c audio xr3801 running 2x 18 and 2 x 15 subs Peavey 8.5c running turbosound mids then a zoffmusic comet running my 4 turosound impacts and some hf horns,so about 5k in ampage in total  ;D Also have active x over, gate limiter 32 band eq, digital stuff does not like voltage spikes, so trying to run without a soundweb management system or a behringer deq2496.  ;D

But what about a flux capacitor?
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: richie on August 02, 2012, 02:43:13 pm
Are the xr3801 1200w?  Will you be running at 4 ohms?
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Blacky on August 02, 2012, 03:07:45 pm
This is so fitting to this topic,,, ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4OM3rBKhf8

Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 02, 2012, 04:02:33 pm
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Are the xr3801 1200w?  Will you be running at 4 ohms?
Yes 1200w per side at 4r or 1500w per side at 2r, but they don't like 2r loads so will be keeping it at 4, so yeah  i x Beyma 15G40 Which is 700w rms 1400w peak and  a Precision devices 186 18 incher also 700w rms ,Ideally need something with a bit more headroom, but have spent shed loads of £££ in the last few months, drivers and professionally made cabinets are expensive.
Will be having a crack at my own cabinets soon, need some mid horns for 2 12 inch 300w rms drivers I have, speakerplans is my friend  ;D
All the top designers on there..
May even look into actually doing hire inc me as engineer / baby sitter of the rig, once I have had a couple of runs at it, gf's son is a pro engineer, touring with m83 at the moment, he currently has Riahanna chasing him to do her sound , so he is pretty good  ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: AJB on August 02, 2012, 05:29:18 pm
Judging by the carp vocals on her last tour
she needs more than a good sound man  ;D
She got booed
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Jamie Pearson on August 02, 2012, 10:50:26 pm
doubt you would like the music noise that he plays though Jamie   ;D ;D

I can pretty much guarantee it would be as hard and fast or noisy as the stuff I play.
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: Jamie Pearson on August 02, 2012, 10:52:34 pm
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FREE PARTIES !!!!!  Cool Cool Cool Cool

Shhhh  ;D
Offd to one out Norwich way next weekend, 2 rig linkup 20k system, guy running it had his van / generators and his last 10k system crushed by the rozzers a few years back, oh and a 2800 fine to boot, they come down hard out that way and even have a dedicated anti party unit , so it's like a game of cat and mouse, adds to the excitement  ;D

Move to Scotland. They don't care as long as you park legally. No music after 7am and you clear away any rubbish. Having 1 copper per 100. Sq.miles also helps.
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 02, 2012, 11:25:48 pm
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I can pretty much guarantee it would be as hard and fast or noisy as the stuff I play.

 ;D

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Move to Scotland. They don't care as long as you park legally. No music after 7am and you clear away any rubbish. Having 1 copper per 100. Sq.miles also helps.
It's taken me 8 years to get established here, couldn't start over again now, but would love to live off grid miles from anywhere  ;D

They are not so bad around here, never got in trouble in the past and we had upwards of 200 people at some of our parties, it's all really dependant on how they feel on the night, bloke I bought my 2x18 sub of in Nottingham, said that the police actually pointed him in the direction of a party spot, between 2 police jurisdictions, and said he could put them on there, as neither force could do anything.We always did them away from residential areas, made sure people parked off the road and left the place as we found it, we had parties in the same place for a fair few years .
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: richie on August 03, 2012, 01:10:53 am
Yeah amps dont like running at 2 ohms as i found out many years a go :(  What drivers are in the bins and did you say your running active crossovers or not?
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 03, 2012, 07:12:47 am
2 of these     http://www.lmcaudio.co.uk/assets/pdf/beyma/15G40E.pdf

2 of these     http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=PDIPD186-8

2 Turbosound 12 inchers as mids

4 of these 2 as monitors 2 facing crowd   ftp://ftp.turbosound.com/datasheets/legacy_products/impact80v2.pdf

Using a soundstandard 1022 active crossover, but will be getting a Citronic cx34  http://cpc.farnell.com/citronic/cx34/crossover-active-2-3-4-way/dp/DP32179



Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 03, 2012, 07:15:30 am
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1343974413_2012-07-24-262.jpg)

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1343974451_2012-06-26-213.jpg)

(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1343974481_2012-07-26-270.jpg)

Empty cab has since been painted, speakon connectors added, t nuts installed, just waiting on the drivers  ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: *Hector* on August 03, 2012, 07:17:50 am
whhhoooooosshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



didn't even have to duck down (no pun intended) for that lot to pass right over my head...

as Ash asked where does the flux capacitor go??
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 03, 2012, 07:25:36 am
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1343974983_2012-06-11-147.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1343975040_2012-05-21-076.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1343975087_100420121003.jpg)

This is the guys garage in Shropshire, where I went to collect the Turbosound drivers 2 nd pic

Need a bigger rack for my amps and stuff
and my decks
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: M.Acorn on August 03, 2012, 07:29:03 am
Flux capacitor goes in the Delorean Hector  ;D
Title: Re: Running a Prochem steempro on a diesel genny
Post by: *Hector* on August 03, 2012, 07:49:02 am
Flux capacitor goes in the Delorean Hector  ;D

 ;D ;D