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Title: Renting out round
Post by: iround on July 22, 2012, 06:35:22 pm
Thinking of renting out some of our work. What do u think would be a fair split? I was thinking 70/30 in favour of worker.

Thanks
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: William McCafferty on July 22, 2012, 06:39:04 pm
55 - 45 in your favour
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: Frankybadboy on July 22, 2012, 06:59:27 pm
55 - 45 in your favour
have you every rented out a round?
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: andyM on July 22, 2012, 07:07:30 pm
55 - 45 in your favour

 :o :o :o

20% would be more like it.  ;)
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: iround on July 22, 2012, 08:01:55 pm
Never tried it before
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on July 22, 2012, 09:44:47 pm
55 - 45 in your favour

 :o :o :o

20% would be more like it.  ;)

that seems to be the going rate round here, i know several people that have done it.
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: dexter on July 22, 2012, 10:08:30 pm
Where abouts are you based I might be interested.
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: LT carpet cleaning on July 22, 2012, 10:21:26 pm
55 - 45 in your favour

 :o :o :o

20% would be more like it.  ;)

that seems to be the going rate round here, i know several people that have done it.



Good God, whose that desperate for money??
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: William McCafferty on July 22, 2012, 10:33:43 pm
55 - 45 in your favour
have you every rented out a round?

Iround asked for a figure, I gave a figure, you have given nothing?
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: Frankybadboy on July 23, 2012, 05:29:59 pm
55 - 45 in your favour
have you every rented out a round?

Iround asked for a figure, I gave a figure, you have given nothing?
no your right i havent give a figure,simply because unlike you i dont comment on things i never done and know nothing about ;)
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: *Hector* on July 23, 2012, 05:33:33 pm
Who in their right mind would work lots of hours in all weather, and give over 1/2 the takings for the privelidge of doing so??

If I was to rent a round off someone, I would be looking at keeping at least 70% if not 80% with a pay back when it came time to hand the round back for keeping it intact for so long...
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: William McCafferty on July 23, 2012, 06:01:59 pm
55 - 45 in your favour
have you every rented out a round?

Iround asked for a figure, I gave a figure, you have given nothing?
no your right i havent give a figure,simply because unlike you i dont comment on things i never done and know nothing about ;)

If you read his post correctly, he wanted to know what a fair price would be, even though I have never done this kind of thing, my fair price would be 55/45
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: kenny jones on July 23, 2012, 06:45:03 pm
Who in their right mind would work lots of hours in all weather, and give over 1/2 the takings for the privelidge of doing so??

If I was to rent a round off someone, I would be looking at keeping at least 70% if not 80% with a pay back when it came time to hand the round back for keeping it intact for so long...    HECTOR ABOUT 90% OFF OUTDFOOR WORKERS WHO AINT SELF EMPLOYED>
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on July 23, 2012, 06:49:13 pm
55 - 45 in your favour

 :o :o :o

20% would be more like it.  ;)

that seems to be the going rate round here, i know several people that have done it.



Good God, whose that desperate for money??

sorry I meant 20%
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: *Hector* on July 23, 2012, 06:58:26 pm
Who in their right mind would work lots of hours in all weather, and give over 1/2 the takings for the privelidge of doing so??

If I was to rent a round off someone, I would be looking at keeping at least 70% if not 80% with a pay back when it came time to hand the round back for keeping it intact for so long...    HECTOR ABOUT 90% OFF OUTDFOOR WORKERS WHO AINT SELF EMPLOYED>
Really??

Well ..... Yes I can see that someone getting paid peanuts for long hours... But ...
I would still need at least 75% to rent a round off someone..
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: dexter on July 23, 2012, 08:18:45 pm
Iround,
Can you let me know where abouts you are as I could be interested if your around my way

Cheers
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: Window Washers on July 24, 2012, 01:18:45 pm
Who in their right mind would work lots of hours in all weather, and give over 1/2 the takings for the privelidge of doing so??

If I was to rent a round off someone, I would be looking at keeping at least 70% if not 80% with a pay back when it came time to hand the round back for keeping it intact for so long...
an employee
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: roundbuilder on July 24, 2012, 03:46:59 pm
If was £1000 a week of work id want £500 back a week from it at least. Prob why i wouldnt rent as too greedy. Id feel ill only getting a mere 20% for my hard work building for someone else to do the eash part and clean.
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: andyM on July 24, 2012, 04:38:21 pm
If was £1000 a week of work id want £500 back a week from it at least. Prob why i wouldnt rent as too greedy. Id feel ill only getting a mere 20% for my hard work building for someone else to do the eash part and clean.

You have to look at it for the long term.
Is 20% of turnover on a round such a bad earner considering you don't have to lift a finger once it's rented out?
Also the value is still in the round if you decide to sell it on. 
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: H2GoKent on July 24, 2012, 11:03:26 pm
I rent out work and 20% is fair and works well long term.

For something like renting it has to work for both parties.
If it does it will last if not the person you're taking advantage of will move on as soon as they can.
Playing fair can be a good business model and has longevity and you get to be a nice guy.
Grabbing as much as poss works in the short term only.
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: Crystal-clear on July 25, 2012, 02:09:28 am
20-30% sounds fair at first but mick is right building a round and dont forget running one can be a bloody pain cleaning it is the easy part,

i would say if you are doing totally doing nothing and i mean nothing then 20-30% fine

but some rounds need managing ,cancelations ,gates etc etc if you can setup mega days for your subbie and do all his admin ie customer stuff and pay him after work load is completted promtly (not wait for customers to pay first) and ensure your subbie gets paid outright no matter if a cust refusfes to pay then somewhere along the lines of what mick is saying also makes sence, that would be because you are still very muched involved anyway thats one way of taking a larger percentage as you will be hands on.

it also depends on the prices too end of the day whats a reasonable amount best to sit down ask them how much they wana earn and see if you guys can come to a deal! its gota be worth it for both
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: William McCafferty on July 25, 2012, 08:34:38 am
If you have a franshise off say Ian, you will give the fransisee 80% and you get 20%, but the fransisee has to do all the nessasary stuff involved with runnning a business.

Renting a round is different, the guy renting only has to clean, does he replace/repair his equipment does he do the accounts and tax returns etc

So in real terms a guy renting is not far removed from a employee and this should be looked at when paying commission on work cleaned
Title: Re: Renting out round
Post by: Crystal-clear on July 25, 2012, 11:27:34 am
the guy renting would use his own tools and be responsible for those also ofc his own tax affairs he will need to invoice you for his services to the aggreed rate % cleaned say.

you "cant" supply mayjor tools like van and expenses then he would be an employee i know some people supply vans etc technicaly you cant do it as the chap will rely on your incame and tools and he should be employed,people do this keep em as self employed and are able to pay alot less in wages as they have supplied everything

typically a subbie will want to earn alot more as its his own van and bills etc.



also subbie will clean your work as and when it suites him he would normally have other work too ie his own or others he may be subbie from