Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Pryor on July 18, 2012, 05:53:50 pm
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I really enjoy the chance to see and touch new things first hand.
I feel their products are extreamly well engineered and made. new zero ppb machine looks like its come from the future. Yes it probably wont make much difference if any to regular cleans, but if you are a commercial company doing 6 monthly or once a year then it has its place. I particularly like the automated salt backwash and ro flush, along with the very impressive booster pump. I think this machine would make an excellent static system and I fully expect to one day upgrade our static to this system.
I think their pole range is very good, still behind gardiners but still very good indeed. The only thing I dont like about them is the lengths given in reach rather than actual length which makes comparing to others on the market in terms of price, length and weight harder
All in all I had a good time and feel they are a great company.
and no I wasnt paid to write this, ;) I just think people slate them a bit for being expensive which they are but you can see the quality for your money.
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So how do you get your 0 ppm water to 0 ppb ????
Nuclear grade resin ????
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nuclear grade resin is one of the extra filters along with ultra violet light
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The ultra violet light is to kill bacteria not to remove dissolved solids.
I have a thermopure and a delivery system and both are excellent build quality .
Although initial cost is high longevity is the key.
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Why don't they have a brush like the super lite extreme make an amazing difference to any pole.
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over engineered,overblown,overpriced.......oh and their poles are not as light or as good as gardiners and they have no lightweight brushes? ??? ??? ???
unless your a big commercial window cleaning company i dont see the point in buying from ionics and even then you can get similar equipment a lot cheaper,less complicated and your overheads will be lower.
wfp window cleaning and purifying water is a fairly simple process but ionics try and make it sound like its nuclear science!!! ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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over engineered,overblown,overpriced.......oh and their poles are not as light or as good as gardiners and they have no lightweight brushes? ??? ??? ???
unless your a big commercial window cleaning company i dont see the point in buying from ionics and even then you can get similar equipment a lot cheaper,less complicated and your overheads will be lower.
wfp window cleaning and purifying water is a fairly simple process but ionics try and make it sound like its nuclear science!!! ??? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
couldn't of put it better myself!!
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Daz mate Ihave used gardeners and ionics poles i will agree gardeners are better but not by much, It bugs me because you have never owned a ionics pole so how can you keep slagging them of if you have never used one. I think you need to remember you have not been using poles that long so in all your still a newbe.
By the way i know guys that have used ionics poles for 6 years and think they are great and they have used my poles and hated them
Its all personal preference mate.
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over 2 years WFP woody.im hardly a newbie!i dont like the fact that they are reach length and not actual length.i have tried 7 different poles but not an ionics granted.
a 40ft carbon pole from ionics still costs a lot more than a SUPERMAX and its not actually 40 ft!! ??? ??? ???
they wont be getting any of my hard earned thats for sure!!gardiners customer service is excellent as well!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Yes I went to their show and their new system is very impressive.
On one of our vans we have the old Ionic hot wash. We bought this system about 10 years ago, and still going strong and I must say I have got the money back 10 times over.
So as they say:
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
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I really enjoy the chance to see and touch new things first hand.
I feel their products are extreamly well engineered and made. new zero ppb machine looks like its come from the future. Yes it probably wont make much difference if any to regular cleans, but if you are a commercial company doing 6 monthly or once a year then it has its place.
Well made - yes I don't doubt it
Pretty - yes I wouldn't deny that
Making a noticeable difference to cleaning - NO! Seriously, do the math! To get my 300ppm water down to 1ppm is easy ( I get it to 000, but for the sake of math lets say 001) its cheap, its reliable, and it cleans perfectly. To get 1ppm water down to 1ppb requires the removal of an extra 0.3% of dissolved solids.
0.3% - thats all. Do you really thin 0.3% will make a noticeable difference? If you notice any difference in cleaning power, then its just the "power of suggestion" at work, nothing real.
Are the system cost & consumable costs only 0.3% more than a standard system?
What a pile of marketing Poo this PPB system is - Shame on you Ionics!
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I have to agree that Ionic's way of over sizing their poles is a mystery to me. I've been looking to buy a new day to day pole for a couple of months now and Ionic's pole sizes p me off.
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Ionics is for window cleaners with more credit than sense.
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Nathaneal can you show us the calculation because i am sure your Maths is wrong I part in a million would surely register has 1000 parts per billion .
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Ionics is for window cleaners with more credit than sense.
;D
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I really enjoy the chance to see and touch new things first hand.
I feel their products are extreamly well engineered and made. new zero ppb machine looks like its come from the future. Yes it probably wont make much difference if any to regular cleans, but if you are a commercial company doing 6 monthly or once a year then it has its place.
Well made - yes I don't doubt it
Pretty - yes I wouldn't deny that
Making a noticeable difference to cleaning - NO! Seriously, do the math! To get my 300ppm water down to 1ppm is easy ( I get it to 000, but for the sake of math lets say 001) its cheap, its reliable, and it cleans perfectly. To get 1ppm water down to 1ppb requires the removal of an extra 0.3% of dissolved solids.
0.3% - thats all. Do you really thin 0.3% will make a noticeable difference? If you notice any difference in cleaning power, then its just the "power of suggestion" at work, nothing real.
Are the system cost & consumable costs only 0.3% more than a standard system?
What a pile of marketing Poo this PPB system is - Shame on you Ionics!
Shame on you Nathan ,your maths are way out, you have made your self look a prat with your bitterness to ionics and not for the first time.
Its up to an individual who buys what, I have a pro 6 and i'm over the moon with it. Its still the only system that is crash tested and not sledge tested.......,And that is what dose it for me.
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Its up to an individual who buys what, I have a pro 6 and i'm over the moon with it. Its still the only system that is crash tested and not sledge tested.......,And that is what dose it for me.
Ionic's systems are both sled tested and concrete block tested (the van crash). Most of their development testing was done on a sled test though. Sled testing actually puts the system and its restraints under more strain as it does not utilise the energy absorption of the van as in the concrete block test.
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1000 litres of water at 300ppm is an easy calculation. 1000 litres is actually 1million millilitres/grams, so to reduce this to 1 ppm requires the removal of 299 grams of dissolved solids. Simples.
So - I now have 999.701 litres of water reading 001ppm (or 1000 parts per billion) so divide 999.701 by a billion parts & multiply the result by 1000 parts of impurities and you get a result of 0.000999701 litres or 0.999701 grams
So my ppm system removes 299 grams of dissolved solids - the Ionics ppb system removes just under an additional 1gram.
Anybody care to verify my math? :P
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suits you sir ;D ;D ;D ;D
you carry on nathanael :P :P :P
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No Nat your method is still wrong, I will dig out the simple equation table from my collage days (we made ro water) Im 100% sure its not calculated like that. Did you know the new systems and the ppb systems are cheaper than the older ones? Regards
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Its good that the new systems are cheaper - doesn't change the fact that the whole PPB thing is nothing more than a marketing ploy. It has such minimal effect on the cleaning that it shouldn't be mentioned. 0.3% extra dissolved solids are removed - that's all!
If I wasn't so busy I might mention the "1000x better" claim to trading standards & see what they say.
It just stinks of targeting the newbies & those who are unaware of the details, saying their systems are 1000x better when in reality they're less than 1% better (at best).
Find your equation Steve_c - - prove me wrong!
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haha what is all this about c,mon you lot get a life , get tap water stick it through a couple of pre filters and a membrane or 2 stick it up the pole (gardners without a shadow of a doubt) clean glass get paid move on ;D
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I think Ionics need to jazz up their roadshow; make it more fun.
Have Dave Lee Travis squirting people with 000ppb water or Cheggers demonstrating their range of poles, naked with a can of Special Brew in his hand, of course.
Maybe have Mr. Blobby driving their van system in a crash test scenario, with Stuart Hall doing the commentary of it.
I'd take them more seriously, then.
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Pure Freedom also about to launch crash tested systems like Ionics but don't know if its sled test or not.
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Pure Freedom also about to launch crash tested systems like Ionics but don't know if its sled test or not.
I did my own crash test, I slammed my van into a wall in snowdonia in December 2010, my water tank was strapped down and it never moved a mm.
What does this prove, well that the factory fitted ties that are fitted to strap down you payload actually work, do you need to have you tank bolted to the floor? and if Ionics or anyone else says you do because of safety issues, then what about all the other vans on the road that also carry loads, are these also to be bolted down?
or are they using scare tactics to sell their products?
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No Nat your method is still wrong, I will dig out the simple equation table from my collage days (we made ro water) Im 100% sure its not calculated like that. Did you know the new systems and the ppb systems are cheaper than the older ones? Regards
Find that equation yet Steve?
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interesting point hydro. sure saves a lot of money using straps rather than bolting
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No Nat your method is still wrong, I will dig out the simple equation table from my collage days (we made ro water) Im 100% sure its not calculated like that. Did you know the new systems and the ppb systems are cheaper than the older ones? Regards
Find that equation yet Steve?
Not yet in loft early tonight found a lot of college stuff on conductivity, and ph but not the table's and equation's.........watch this space. Did you know that the new systems from ionics are not all PPB? All the systems are completely redesigned. Regards
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I reckon their systems are well built, work well & look very pretty. The ONLY issue I have is their "1000x better" claim when the system only removes an extra 0.3% of impurities from the water.
In the real world this will not be noticeable - it will make ZERO difference to the clean - yet their sales pitch suggests it's better for first cleans etc!!