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Title: Contract of employment
Post by: iround on July 16, 2012, 06:13:47 pm
Has anyone got a template of one of these that I could pinch?

Thanks
Jonathan
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: richywilts on July 16, 2012, 06:16:11 pm
whats ur email address
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 16, 2012, 06:19:37 pm
I'm thinking of selling copies of mine.

My one was composed by a HR company and covers everything you need to cover you and protect your business.

It cost over £800 and was upgraded last year.

What do you think it's worth?
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Dave. on July 16, 2012, 06:41:24 pm
I'm thinking of selling copies of mine.

My one was composed by a HR company and covers everything you need to cover you and protect your business.

It cost over £800 and was upgraded last year.

What do you think it's worth?

Send me a copy and I'll look over it and advise you a suitable price  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: richard jagger on July 16, 2012, 06:50:45 pm
They saw you coming Hydro.800 quid.
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 16, 2012, 07:00:21 pm
I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: LSB on July 16, 2012, 07:26:04 pm
richywilts , can you send me a copy also .
part time or full time or self employed , i am currently looking into doing this .
 lloyd.birchley@hotmail.co.uk
thanks , lloyd.
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: premier window cleaners on July 16, 2012, 07:31:50 pm
info@premierwindowcleaner.com

thanks a lot

jonathan
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 16, 2012, 07:35:13 pm
Looks like the Industrial Tribinals are going to be busy ;D and some ex workers very happy soaking up the holiday sun ;D 8)
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Griffus on July 16, 2012, 07:43:58 pm
I can recommend a good firm.

Our last couple cost £100 or thereabouts. A HR colleague from a former career who has his own HR Company.

Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: iround on July 16, 2012, 07:59:58 pm
Hi richy

Email info@premierwindowcleaners.com

Thanks
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: mikecam on July 16, 2012, 08:55:57 pm
Here's two, perfectly adequate. They look just like anything i've ever had from an employer. Just change the details, to your own situation. And of course HR people are going to want to charge you hundreds, thats their job.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CHMQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.skillsforcare.org.uk%2Fnmsruntime%2Fsaveasdialog.aspx%3FlID%3D1808%26sID%3D840&ei=w28EUJDeHcK2hAekjb2KCA&usg=AFQjCNFkRQoDAA05Tg513km1GrkS3xwC3g&sig2=FUmGA9F_fB8XhGS9JjVFvA


http://www.human-resource-solutions.co.uk/Policies/Employment-Contract/Statement-of-Terms-and-Conditions.doc

Or you can use the free tool from Business link to create a written statement of employment . Its slightly different than a contract, but the page explains this.
http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/stmtEmpLanding?topicId=1075225309&r.li=1079484075&r.l1=1073858787


Sure some of you fellas are off ya rockers.
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: richywilts on July 16, 2012, 09:37:53 pm
lloyd and premier i have forwarded the documents hope there good use to you
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: richywilts on July 16, 2012, 09:40:15 pm
Looks like the Industrial Tribinals are going to be busy ;D and some ex workers very happy soaking up the holiday sun ;D 8)

why would there be mine was knocked up by a professional guy in his 60s so im sure he has enough experience to knock up a simple employment contract i think i paid about 150quid
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 16, 2012, 10:52:53 pm
Looks like the Industrial Tribinals are going to be busy ;D and some ex workers very happy soaking up the holiday sun ;D 8)

why would there be mine was knocked up by a professional guy in his 60s so im sure he has enough experience to knock up a simple employment contract i think i paid about 150quid

how many pages is it?
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Carl@Cwc on July 16, 2012, 11:13:17 pm
Looks like the Industrial Tribinals are going to be busy ;D and some ex workers very happy soaking up the holiday sun ;D 8)

why would there be mine was knocked up by a professional guy in his 60s so im sure he has enough experience to knock up a simple employment contract i think i paid about 150quid

how many pages is it?

I know it's cheeky m8 but ,
Can I have a copy of yours to look at  ;)
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 16, 2012, 11:17:21 pm
Of course you can ;D Mine has the following sections 8)

Contract of Employment

This document sets out your principal terms and conditions of employment which incorporates the written particulars required by the Employment Rights Act 1996 and constitutes the Contract of Employment between:



…………………………………………………. (employee)

Employee address: ………………………………………………………………………………………………


and


Pure HYDRO Cleaners Limited (Employer, hereinafter referred to as ‘The Company’)


Your employment as …………………………………… commences on the …….day of …………………, 20__.

*No previous employment counts as continuous employment for any statutory purposes.

*Previous employment which counts as continuous employment commenced on

the … day of  ….…………………….., ____.

*(Delete whichever is not applicable.)

Principle Statement:


Quality Statement

1.   Job Responsibilities


2.   Wage

2.1   
2.2   
2.3   
2.4   The Tax Office which deals with this Company is:

……………………………………………………………

Ref: ……………………………..      Phone Number: ……………………………..

3.   Hours of work

3.1   

3.2   Additional hours may be required; these will normally be paid subject to authorisation by the Company.

3.3   
3.4   
4.   Probationary Period

4.1   

4.2   
4.3   
4.4   
5.   Attendance and Timekeeping


6.   Conduct, dress and appearance.

6.1   
6.2   
6.3   
6.4   
7.   Change in personal circumstances

7.1   
7.2   
8.   Immigration Clearance


9.   Place of employment

9.1   

10.   Expenses
      
10.1   
10.2   
11.   Holidays and time off

11.1   General

   11.2   Customary Public Holidays


New Year’s Day
Good Friday
Easter Monday
May Day
Spring Bank Holiday Monday
August Bank Holiday Monday
Christmas Day
Boxing Day


11.3   Rules



11.4   Timing of holidays and the holiday year




11.5   Holiday carry over


11.6   Maximum entitlement


11.7   Holiday pay upon termination

12.   Absence and sick pay procedure

   12.1   Statutory Sick Pay (SSP)

12.2   

12.3   
12.4   

12.5   
12.6   
12.7   Medical Questionnaire
      
   12.8   Medical examinations
   

   12.9   
13.   Return to Work Meeting

14.   Adverse Weather – Attendance
15.   Accidents at work
16.   Notice

16.1   
16.2   
16.3   
16.4   
16.5   
17.   References
      


18.   Qualifications/Experience/Licence under appropriate Regulatory Body



19.   Outside business interests

   19.1   

19.2   
19.3   
20.   Duty of confidentiality
   

20.1   Copying/making abstracts etc.


   20.2   Disclosing or using confidential information


This clause does not apply to protected disclosures under sections 43A – 43H of the Employment Rights Act 1996.

   20.3   Outside communications


20.4   Property to be returned on termination




   20.5   Representing the Company


20.6   
   
21.   Company Vehicles or Use of own vehicle for business purposes

21.1   
21.2   
21.3   
21.4   
21.5   
21.6   
21.7     

21.8   

21.9   
21.10   
21.11   
21.12   
22.   Mobile Phone

22.1   
22.2   
22.3   
22.4   
22.5   
22.6   
22.7   
22.8   
23.   Provision of Laptop

23.1   
23.2   
23.3   
23.4   
23.5       

23.5.1   
23.5.223.5.3   
23.5.4   
23.5.5   
23.5.6   
23.6   
23.7   
23.8   
23.9
24.   Review of Performance


25.   Smoking


26.   Time off

26.1   
26.2   
26.3   
27.   Intellectual property


27.1   
27.2   
27.3   
28.   Inventions and patents

28.1   
28.2   
29.   Training and Development

29.1   
29.2   
29.3   
29.4   

30.   Indemnity/deductions and overpayments

30.1   
30.2   

30.3   
31.   Non-solicitation/non-competition (this clause is/is not applicable)

31.1   
31.2   
31.3   

31.4   
32.   Gifts & Benefits in Kind


33.   Data Protection


34.   Disciplinary/Grievance Procedures

34.1   
34.2   
34.3   
   

35.   Health & Safety

35.1   
35.2   
35.3   
35.4   
35.5   
36.   Compassionate leave and time off for family emergencies


37.   CRB Checks


38.   General Security

38.1   

38.2   
38.3   
38.4   
38.5   
39.   Data Security

39.1    Use of Telephones and Fax Machines

39.2    Desktop Faxing, E-mail and the Internet


39.3 Use of Photocopy Machines


40.   Loss or damage to clothing or other personal items

40.1   
40.2   
40.3   
41.   Family Friendly Policies


•   Maternity Leave
•   Adoption Leave
•   Paternity Leave
•   Parental Leave
•   Request for flexible working




42.   Equal Opportunities

42.1   
42.2   .

43.   Respect for all

43.1   
43.2   

43.3   
44.   Drug and Alcohol use
44.1   
44.2   
44.3   
44.4   

45.   Collective Agreements


46.   Non Enforcement


47.   Changes


48.   Governing Law

This Contract shall be construed in accordance with the laws of England and Wales and shall be subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts.



Signed: …………………………………………………………      Date: ……………………………….

(Employer)


‘I have read, understood and accepted the Terms and Conditions of Employment as stated and referred to in this document (eighteen (18) pages in total) relevant to my employment with the Company.’


Signed: ………………………………………………………..      Date: ……………………………….

(Employee)




Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Frankybadboy on July 17, 2012, 06:58:39 am
I'm thinking of selling copies of mine.

My one was composed by a HR company and covers everything you need to cover you and protect your business.

It cost over £800 and was upgraded last year.

What do you think it's worth?
lot of money to pay out for no employees ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: George P on July 17, 2012, 08:15:34 am
hi Richy, any chance of a look please, enquiries@powellswindowcleaners.co.uk
cheers
george
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 17, 2012, 10:21:28 am
I'm thinking of selling copies of mine.

My one was composed by a HR company and covers everything you need to cover you and protect your business.

It cost over £800 and was upgraded last year.

What do you think it's worth?
lot of money to pay out for no employees ;D ;D ;D ;D

I waste even more money on employers insurance, wages, uniforms and accountant bills and the guy sitting next to me and cleaning my customers windows is a hologram 
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Carl@Cwc on July 17, 2012, 12:32:30 pm
I'm thinking of selling copies of mine.

My one was composed by a HR company and covers everything you need to cover you and protect your business.

It cost over £800 and was upgraded last year.

What do you think it's worth?
lot of money to pay out for no employees ;D ;D ;D ;D

would u be kind enough to forward me a copy , inc all the text  ;) plssssssssssssss

I waste even more money on employers insurance, wages, uniforms and accountant bills and the guy sitting next to me and cleaning my customers windows is a hologram 
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 17, 2012, 01:25:52 pm
Check out the for sale section 8)
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: brad t on July 17, 2012, 02:34:23 pm
Any chance you could send me one Richy bradleyswindows@ymail.com
Thanks b
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Ian Lancaster on July 17, 2012, 09:29:43 pm
I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

True.  All I would add is be very careful.  If it came to a tribunal, a bit of false economy now could destroy your business.
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Bay View WCS on July 17, 2012, 10:37:14 pm
I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

I am quite certain that that isn't correct at all.
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: mikecam on July 17, 2012, 11:10:28 pm
I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

I am quite certain that that isn't correct at all.

Bay View, i agree with you. I'd doubt its correct at all. If anyone bothered to read the business link i gave above then they'd know its not correct. But as much as you try to give advice, you still get people asking above 'send me one too'. They don't want to read anything, or do the slightest bit of research. Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'. William who paid £800 for a contract is going to sell copies of it for £40 a pop, if you come unstuck with this i guess you could sue him as his inference here is that it is 'watertight' and thats why you're paying. Richy Wilts has one, and if there's anyone any of us should look to for employment advice then its Richy.
 Anyway, i'm no smarter than the next bloke, ............Richy, can i have a copy please.......
cleanandclearliverpool@gmail.com                 ;D
 
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: mikecam on July 18, 2012, 07:37:04 am
got it, cheers Richy.
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: George P on July 18, 2012, 08:42:18 am
thanks richy, got it
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 18, 2012, 08:56:43 am
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/employment/employees/employmentcontractsandconditions/dg_10027905
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: A@R WINDOWCLEANING on July 18, 2012, 05:16:33 pm
Hi richy just about to employ a part timer when i get back of hols i would love a copy thanks           antony_platt@sky.com thanks again
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: Ian Lancaster on July 18, 2012, 08:29:23 pm
I don't think so, I checked around and these are the figures being charged, the main problem with any contract and get one paragraph wrong and the whole contract is invalid.

and that one sentence can cost you thousands

I am quite certain that that isn't correct at all.

Bay View, i agree with you. I'd doubt its correct at all. If anyone bothered to read the business link i gave above then they'd know its not correct. But as much as you try to give advice, you still get people asking above 'send me one too'. They don't want to read anything, or do the slightest bit of research. Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'. William who paid £800 for a contract is going to sell copies of it for £40 a pop, if you come unstuck with this i guess you could sue him as his inference here is that it is 'watertight' and thats why you're paying. Richy Wilts has one, and if there's anyone any of us should look to for employment advice then its Richy.
 Anyway, i'm no smarter than the next bloke, ............Richy, can i have a copy please.......
cleanandclearliverpool@gmail.com                 ;D
 

***Sigh***  No, you're right, I don't employ......but I have been in this business for over 45 years, and during that time I have employed, many times.  I have spent thousands on getting my contracts right and one thing I have been advised about more than once is that a contract has to be fair.  If a judge decided that any section of your contract was unduly biased in your favour to the detriment of your employee, he could declare the contract to be null and void.

But don't take my word for it, either trust your own judgement or pay for proper expert legal advice.  I did which is why I think my opinion has some merit.
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 18, 2012, 09:22:35 pm
I wouldn't bother Ian, I have noticed that a lot of people lately are trying to run their businesses on the cheap and if a short cut is possible, well why not. ::)

It will be fun to read in the future and I am certain I will read that some are coming up against disgruntal ex employees who are either taking away their business wholesale or are going down the tribunals route, which can cost hundreds and thousands in costs just defending yourself, and you might even be innocent, they (ex-employees) won't lose any sleep over it as they have nothing to lose.

Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: mikecam on July 21, 2012, 11:30:37 pm

Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'.
 

***Sigh***  No, you're right, I don't employ......but I have been in this business for over 45 years, and during that time I have employed, many times.  I have spent thousands on getting my contracts right and one thing I have been advised about more than once is that a contract has to be fair.  If a judge decided that any section of your contract was unduly biased in your favour to the detriment of your employee, he could declare the contract to be null and void.

But don't take my word for it, either trust your own judgement or pay for proper expert legal advice.  I did which is why I think my opinion has some merit.


Hi Ian, i take it the 'sigh' effect means oh no here we go again? Thats ok. If we're going to talk turkey then lets gobble, and not throw.......'i've been doing this 45 years so i know more than you' in the hat ! A contract exists the minute you start an employee, you can give a contract or  a terms of employment. They are relativley straightforward documents, many available from free rescources to help small businesses. There is also a current drive from the government to try to cut red tape to assist small businesses. So i do take issue with you saying you spent thousands to get the right contract, or maybe no issue with you personally doing that but you alluding that that is what people need to do to get a decent workers contract. Also William says he spent £800 one one that he wants to sell copies of for £40 a pop. This type of talk is enough to put any potential employer off employing. The truth is its a straightforward cost free excersice, unless of course you'd like to give me an example of one of these 'badly worded paragraphs' alluded to that can potentially cost you your business?
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: bobby p on July 22, 2012, 06:18:56 am
add in a bit about internet abuse. a guy i recently got rid of has started a campaign to rubbish me. on the net

i have a feeling no contract would have stopped him though, seems he likes causing grief
Title: Re: Contract of employment
Post by: William McCafferty on July 22, 2012, 10:06:29 am

Then you get people like Ian Lancaster saying 'true', whilst i'd doubt he's been on the recieving end of an employment tribunal, and ironically he doesnt as such 'employ', but he still knows that one sentence wrong and 'your business is at risk'.
 

***Sigh***  No, you're right, I don't employ......but I have been in this business for over 45 years, and during that time I have employed, many times.  I have spent thousands on getting my contracts right and one thing I have been advised about more than once is that a contract has to be fair.  If a judge decided that any section of your contract was unduly biased in your favour to the detriment of your employee, he could declare the contract to be null and void.

But don't take my word for it, either trust your own judgement or pay for proper expert legal advice.  I did which is why I think my opinion has some merit.


Hi Ian, i take it the 'sigh' effect means oh no here we go again? Thats ok. If we're going to talk turkey then lets gobble, and not throw.......'i've been doing this 45 years so i know more than you' in the hat ! A contract exists the minute you start an employee, you can give a contract or  a terms of employment. They are relativley straightforward documents, many available from free rescources to help small businesses. There is also a current drive from the government to try to cut red tape to assist small businesses. So i do take issue with you saying you spent thousands to get the right contract, or maybe no issue with you personally doing that but you alluding that that is what people need to do to get a decent workers contract. Also William says he spent £800 one one that he wants to sell copies of for £40 a pop. This type of talk is enough to put any potential employer off employing. The truth is its a straightforward cost free excersice, unless of course you'd like to give me an example of one of these 'badly worded paragraphs' alluded to that can potentially cost you your business?

Hi Mike

I agree with you that there are many free or low cost contracts of employments about, the same can be said regarding wills, but the problem with these contracts, is the only covers the basics.

A contract that is drawn up by experts in employment law, will be a different document, and in this document will be clauses that can or could save you a lot of hassle and money or even your business.

Have a read though the link I have posted and item 19 alone is well worth the cost of getting a proffessionally prepared contract drawn up, this is my opinion of course, but I do believe in "murphys law" and if something is likely to go wrong then employing someone is high on the list.

http://www.lawdonut.co.uk/law/employment-law/recruitment-and-employment-contracts/employment-contracts-20-faqs