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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Burbidge on June 27, 2012, 11:11:57 pm
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http://youtu.be/TwwQ_WGfkUk
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Brutal. Made me cringe the thought of been in the driving seat of the van with tank only bolted to the floor.
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strap the tank down to the factory fitted anchor points, which rachet straps, change these every year and you will be fine.
I have a 650 tank and use 4 rachet straps that have a load of 800 kilos each, and when I did crash my van, the tank did not move a millimeter.
The other problem that a lot of people forget is the bulkhead, if you don't have one and you crash, a small piece of equipment that weighs a couple of pound is going to cause some serious damage to the back of your head, when it smacks into it at 30 or 40 mph.
and in my crash, my hose reel took a trip around the back of the van, and caused some impressives dents in the walls of the van.
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strap the tank down to the factory fitted anchor points, which rachet straps, change these every year and you will be fine.
I have a 650 tank and use 4 rachet straps that have a load of 800 kilos each, and when I did crash my van, the tank did not move a millimeter.
The other problem that a lot of people forget is the bulkhead, if you don't have one and you crash, a small piece of equipment that weighs a couple of pound is going to cause some serious damage to the back of your head, when it smacks into it at 30 or 40 mph.
and in my crash, my hose reel took a trip around the back of the van, and caused some impressives dents in the walls of the van.
Amazing. During the crash, I bet you felt like you were up in space with stuff flying around the van.
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This was one of the main factors for me when opting for a system.
I did buy used but it was a van already fitted out with a Brodex system. Brodex have their critics but the crash testing was well documented in their sales literature thus my first choice.
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strap the tank down to the factory fitted anchor points, which rachet straps, change these every year and you will be fine.
I have a 650 tank and use 4 rachet straps that have a load of 800 kilos each, and when I did crash my van, the tank did not move a millimeter.
The other problem that a lot of people forget is the bulkhead, if you don't have one and you crash, a small piece of equipment that weighs a couple of pound is going to cause some serious damage to the back of your head, when it smacks into it at 30 or 40 mph.
and in my crash, my hose reel took a trip around the back of the van, and caused some impressives dents in the walls of the van.
Amazing. During the crash, I bet you felt like you were up in space with stuff flying around the van.
I never noticed a thing, I was enclosed in my drivers cab, I was a bit concerned about the wall I was heading for, because on the other side, there was a thousand foot drop off a mountain. :o
But when I went to the recovery yard to strip my system down after the insurance company wrote my van off, I was amazed at the damage to the inside cargo area, and even more impressive, was my metal solid hose reel up bent up and twisted.
I am all for safety, but i am very suspious of any company that goes on about it, yet will fit their system to a van without a fitted bulkhead.
If they are that concerned about safety, then they should say that they will not sell their systems to anyone who does not have a fully protected driving cab.
the other points to look at are the crashes they are conducting, most seem to be front on collisions, what about side and rear on's.
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i would also be interested in the facts and figures on all van accidents that have been carrying a load and have had an accident.
How many passengers and drivers have been injured or died because of the method they used to secure their load, and what method did they use.
so lee, if you need to write acticles on crash testing, I think you need to be as compehensitive as possible, otherwise your acticle will be come another sales brochure for the companys that offer these systems.
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i would also be interested in the facts and figures on all van accidents that have been carrying a load and have had an accident.
How many passengers and drivers have been injured or died because of the method they used to secure their load, and what method did they use.
so lee, if you need to write acticles on crash testing, I think you need to be as compehensitive as possible, otherwise your acticle will be come another sales brochure for the companys that offer these systems.
You have not read yet buddy. Do not jump to conclusions ( with respect ) ;)
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i would also be interested in the facts and figures on all van accidents that have been carrying a load and have had an accident.
How many passengers and drivers have been injured or died because of the method they used to secure their load, and what method did they use.
so lee, if you need to write acticles on crash testing, I think you need to be as compehensitive as possible, otherwise your acticle will be come another sales brochure for the companys that offer these systems.
You have not read yet buddy. Do not jump to conclusions ( with respect ) ;)
this is true and I look forward to a full report on all methods used to secure water tanks, no doulbt there will be a few hundred words on other methods, apart from buying an expensive system, I would welcome these companies also offering to bolt down a diy system, I will look for that paragraph, as i am sure its included, considering how these companies are concerned for our safety 8)
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lol no probs. My hope is that you are able to make a better choice for yourselves whether it be a CTS or not ;D
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Lee
When I first started off, I looked at water tanks and the other equipment I carry and investigated the safer way to carry all of these.
With the tank this was easy, I called a few transport companies and asked how they transported heavy loads and every single one said they rachet the load to the anchor point in the back of the lorry or van.
there are many thousands of trucks and vans on the road, and there are many accidents every day, yet this method is accepted to work.
The next stop was the insurance companies, with them they class anything that is bolted to the vechicle as a modifcation and it incurs a greater risk than to just use the anchor points and strap the load down safely, so they either think, that they will payout more if you go down this route or their teccy information is out of date.
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strap the tank down to the factory fitted anchor points, which rachet straps, change these every year and you will be fine.
I have a 650 tank and use 4 rachet straps that have a load of 800 kilos each, and when I did crash my van, the tank did not move a millimeter.
The other problem that a lot of people forget is the bulkhead, if you don't have one and you crash, a small piece of equipment that weighs a couple of pound is going to cause some serious damage to the back of your head, when it smacks into it at 30 or 40 mph.
and in my crash, my hose reel took a trip around the back of the van, and caused some impressives dents in the walls of the van.
What speed did you crash your van at?
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\its a known fact, fear is a good sales motivator. Has anyone heard of anyone been killed in a van by his tanks.|Come let hear it? I am sick of this type of fear marketing and all the suckers how fall fir it. WE are pathetic.
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strap the tank down to the factory fitted anchor points, which rachet straps, change these every year and you will be fine.
I have a 650 tank and use 4 rachet straps that have a load of 800 kilos each, and when I did crash my van, the tank did not move a millimeter.
The other problem that a lot of people forget is the bulkhead, if you don't have one and you crash, a small piece of equipment that weighs a couple of pound is going to cause some serious damage to the back of your head, when it smacks into it at 30 or 40 mph.
and in my crash, my hose reel took a trip around the back of the van, and caused some impressives dents in the walls of the van.
What speed did you crash your van at?
I started off at about 20 to 30 mph, but the van went into a spin of the snow and ice and increased speed, I think I hit the wall at over 40 mph, but it was at enough to rebound me off the wall and then to send me into a 360 circle down the road, coming to a stand still some distance down the road.
It was a cool ride 8) a lot of people pay for trips like that on the dogems ;D
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Did the tank break away.Was the tank bolted or straps. I see you you are alive are you just lucky?
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Did the tank break away.Was the tank bolted or straps. I see you you are alive are you just lucky?
The tank was strapped down and did not break, the tank did not move and it was fully loaded.
I would though recommend that the straps are replaced after a accident and at least once a year.
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I think this subject is going to get hot judging by an email I received on Friday.
It would appear the term 'crash testing' is misleading.
There are two types of test; a 100% impact test and a HyGe test.
It is not supposed to be a 'crash test' unless a dummy vehicle has been 'crashed' in the test. The HyGe test is where a sled is accelerated backwards with the same acceleration and same distance profile as a 'crash test'.
The test results apply the same loading and the effects are the same. Because FMVSS - 208 certification has requirements of the test its self for a 100% crash test this does not mean that other tests are not worthy......
What is important here is that a system has meet a certain crashworthiness performance assessment.
.....What test facilities are doing ( MIRA, Thatcham etc) is applying the crash worthiness performance assessment procedure defined in ECER 17 for luggage retention in passenger vehicles and if the tank retention system retains its integrity so it does not contact or impact with the vehicle occupants and does not burst, then some level of crash worthiness has been achieved.
Having said that a full on crash is cool to see.
To test if water is hot you can either jump in, or you can stick your elbow in.
This subject is going to be very controversial and I look forward to more debate, clarification and understanding on this important subject matter.
Its a subject that needs discussion so that consumers are not confused.
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as i have said before, you need to test all methods, before you can attach labels to any of them on how safe or not, they are.
so how about it Lee, stop being beating around the bush, with you're have to wait and read the report, just give a yes or no, on whether all methods are being tested and looked at or not.
Your idea for a "trade Mag" is a good one if it shows all sides to the industry, cherry picking what is comfotable or what people want to see is not a trade mag, it's the opinion of the writer and a select few.
By not addressing these issues you can be causing more damage to you mag than it should getting.
So come on Lee, write a mag in the same way that Private Eye is composed or at least try and be the Jeremy Clarkson of the window cleaning world.
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as i have said before, you need to test all methods, before you can attach labels to any of them on how safe or not, they are.
so how about it Lee, stop being beating around the bush, with you're have to wait and read the report, just give a yes or no, on whether all methods are being tested and looked at or not.
Your idea for a "trade Mag" is a good one if it shows all sides to the industry, cherry picking what is comfotable or what people want to see is not a trade mag, it's the opinion of the writer and a select few.
By not addressing these issues you can be causing more damage to you mag than it should getting.
So come on Lee, write a mag in the same way that Private Eye is composed or at least try and be the Jeremy Clarkson of the window cleaning world.
lol
There is no damage to the mag ;D
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I think this subject is going to get hot judging by an email I received on Friday.
What did Ionics have to say, or can't you disclose ?!!! ;D
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I think this subject is going to get hot judging by an email I received on Friday.
What did Ionics have to say, or can't you disclose ?!!! ;D
Cant disclose ;D
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Thanks Lee for your hard work.
When it comes to crash testing, I'm only concerned about HyGe sled tests. Crash tests use the vehicles crumple zone. That's all great, but I know 100% that when a system survives a HyGe test it will be okay when the vehicle is crashed. Not sure you can be 100% certain about it the other way around.
Only system I would want in my new van is the Grippamax system, because A: it's been designed by Alex and B: it's done the HyGe sled test (with 1000 litre tank I should add). Its also easy to fit and can be completely customised with the cover plates.
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Thanks Lee for your hard work.
When it comes to crash testing, I'm only concerned about HyGe sled tests. Crash tests use the vehicles crumple zone. That's all great, but I know 100% that when a system survives a HyGe test it will be okay when the vehicle is crashed. Not sure you can be 100% certain about it the other way around.
Only system I would want in my new van is the Grippamax system, because A: it's been designed by Alex and B: it's done the HyGe sled test (with 1000 litre tank I should add). It's also easy to fit and can be completely customised with the cover plates.
I wouldny mind trying a Grippamax in my next van too :)