Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on June 11, 2012, 11:25:11 pm
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worked out today after culling all my rounds last year i now need approx 338 customers to have both vans going out doing 200 a day i expect this to take about 12-14 weeks gonna be hard work!!
i will keep yas all posted how we get on!!
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APPROX 338 ;D
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
if your need higher than that to make a profit your pay to much in wages or something is seriously worng, there is clear profit in them figues even if it was a new van with inoics thermo installed on the knock
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
if your need higher than that to make a profit your pay to much in wages or something is seriously worng, there is clear profit in them figues even if it was a new van with inoics thermo installed on the knock
£200 is no where near enough to run a van, with two employee's and make
a worth while profit. Try £350- £400 ;)
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why not just use one van on your own get rid of your office etc and just your business on your own.
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How do you plan to get 338 customers in 14 weeks?
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How do you plan to get 338 customers in 14 weeks?
by buying Bob Plumb out ............ he must be due to retire soon ;) ;) ;D
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worked out today after culling all my rounds last year i now need approx 338 customers to have both vans going out doing 200 a day i expect this to take about 12-14 weeks gonna be hard work!!
i will keep yas all posted how we get on!!
Richy. Although I admire your get up and go, after some of the stuff you've written on here, I fear you may end up damaging your health. I don't mean your physical health either. You've already had a taste of this.
Sometimes it's better to accept that some of us just aren't made the same way as these big business guys.
Normally I wouldn't write stuff like this. I'm not a negative person these days - like I used to be.
I'm writing as someone who was once nearly destroyed by stress (not in the work environment though).
We both know that it's possible to take a sole trader income well above average wage if we put our minds to it - without huge stress either.
If you really must go the medium/big business route, at least get yourself a counsellor/therapist to help you deal with any knock on effects from it.
The results may surprise you.
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How do you plan to get 338 customers in 14 weeks?
think he means in total not another 338 ...... i guess ???
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I think he meant 200 a day one man one van you numpty, how could any on e make a profit of 200 with two men lol
And 300 odd custys in 12 weeks is one hell of a target richy good luck too you, even if you only get half that amount i would be chuffed mate. I am at the same point as you i bought out a local round and had staff but i ended up having to sell most due to my good luck of having skin cancer and having to have quite a bit of time off.
Now i am back and need to get a buisness going again as it made me relise i need a way of making money if i become il again
Like i said richy good luck
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
if your need higher than that to make a profit your pay to much in wages or something is seriously worng, there is clear profit in them figues even if it was a new van with inoics thermo installed on the knock
£200 is no where near enough to run a van, with two employee's and make
a worth while profit. Try £350- £400 ;)
I did in fact mean one person in a van, I didnt read he wanted two per van
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richy, good on you mate. i canvass every night at the mo with 2 others. we getting 10-20 new customers a night between us. on paper it looks as if you can build up quick but you will have to take your time doing first cleans and weaning out the crap customers. it took me 4 months to build my 2nd round up which i started doing in november and now building the third so it can be done quick, just be ready for headaches.
My plan was to get 400 £10 front onlys which we got but with the dropout rate and messers it went down quite a bit however with a lot the custies wanting there backs doing to it all mounts up to £200-£250 a day each van.
Go for it richy and hit those streets hard.
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Richy
I don't want to be a party pooper, but the 338 customers you require, is that figure taking into account all the ones who will mess you around by saying they want a regular cleaner, instead of saying they just want their windows cleaned.
Depending on how you will be getting these customers, this will affect the cancellation rate, if I was you I would increase the customer total up to 428, and spread the time to 26 weeks.
Also how are you going to run the vans, are they on a 3,4,5 or 6 day week?
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not sure if people are confused i meant i need to get to around another 338 customers to have two vans out daily doing 200 quid a day each with me in one van and my friend ste in another
i clean six weekly hence higher numbers needed to fill books
we dont plan to stop there this is just a figure we have worked out i need, we know from canvassing you get cancellations etc but i leaflet drop before canvassing too so we get steady trickle coming in from that and we will be pushing fascias and conny cleans too.
im looking into smaller units at minute and cutting costs where i can
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338 is easily achievable over 14 weeks its only 25 new customers a week i use a canvasser and myself and ste are very capable of bringing in 10-15 a week each
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338 is easily achievable over 14 weeks its only 25 new customers a week i use a canvasser and myself and ste are very capable of bringing in 10-15 a week each
Positive thinking, that's what I Like. Get your 2 vans out every day (one person in each) you won't go wrong :)
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haha helen thats the plan stay positive and push for what we can get shame today tho first day back two miles down road my system battery starts smoking and then my oil cooler on van starts smoking so now lost another days work while i wait for mechanic friend to come take a look
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i agree with paul coleman.its gonna do your head in richy!!keep it simple mate!! ;) ;D ;D
best wishes
dazmond
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whats so complicated??? i have two vans i have 483 customers at min down from over 1000 last year, im keeping it quite simple aiming for £200 a day each van which should have us both finished by 3 most days so its not physically exhausting.it averages out about 13-15 jobs a day each. im taking my friend on on a self employed basis as he does other types of work, we plan to push other services and try and max out both van eventually until im ready to invest in another van
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Good luck to you richy i think when all explained if you gain the custom you are after you and your mate will have a good balanced round and . all the best . Mike
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
if your need higher than that to make a profit your pay to much in wages or something is seriously worng, there is clear profit in them figues even if it was a new van with inoics thermo installed on the knock
£200 is no where near enough to run a van, with two employee's and make
a worth while profit. Try £350- £400 ;)
I did in fact mean one person in a van, I didnt read he wanted two per van
Are you saying you need 16k a month to pay for two staff and 2 vans? I'm not sure what you are saying.
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
if your need higher than that to make a profit your pay to much in wages or something is seriously worng, there is clear profit in them figues even if it was a new van with inoics thermo installed on the knock
£200 is no where near enough to run a van, with two employee's and make
a worth while profit. Try £350- £400 ;)
I did in fact mean one person in a van, I didnt read he wanted two per van
Are you saying you need 16k a month to pay for two staff and 2 vans? I'm not sure what you are saying.
My mistake ::) i took it from first post two men per van.
I cant understand why anyone would have two men, two vans, doing domestic work
commercial maybe, why have the running costs of two vans, when one could
do the work. only my opinion but is £350-£400 not an average wage for one van two
employees?
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
if your need higher than that to make a profit your pay to much in wages or something is seriously worng, there is clear profit in them figues even if it was a new van with inoics thermo installed on the knock
£200 is no where near enough to run a van, with two employee's and make
a worth while profit. Try £350- £400 ;)
I did in fact mean one person in a van, I didnt read he wanted two per van
Are you saying you need 16k a month to pay for two staff and 2 vans? I'm not sure what you are saying.
My mistake ::) i took it from first post two men per van.
I cant understand why anyone would have two men, two vans, doing domestic work
commercial maybe, why have the running costs of two vans, when one could
do the work. only my opinion but is £350-£400 not an average wage for one van two
employees?
If you want to expand and grow, then you have to go backwards to go forwards.
Reach a level, maintain it, re-adjust, build, grow and repeat and repeat and repeat :)
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whats so complicated??? i have two vans i have 483 customers at min down from over 1000 last year, im keeping it quite simple aiming for £200 a day each van which should have us both finished by 3 most days so its not physically exhausting.it averages out about 13-15 jobs a day each. im taking my friend on on a self employed basis as he does other types of work, we plan to push other services and try and max out both van eventually until im ready to invest in another van
whats your average customer price m8
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Is £200 enough for the 2nd van with running costs and wages..?
I thought it would have to be higher than this for you to take a profit.?
Graham
if your need higher than that to make a profit your pay to much in wages or something is seriously worng, there is clear profit in them figues even if it was a new van with inoics thermo installed on the knock
£200 is no where near enough to run a van, with two employee's and make
a worth while profit. Try £350- £400 ;)
I did in fact mean one person in a van, I didnt read he wanted two per van
Are you saying you need 16k a month to pay for two staff and 2 vans? I'm not sure what you are saying.
My mistake ::) i took it from first post two men per van.
I cant understand why anyone would have two men, two vans, doing domestic work
commercial maybe, why have the running costs of two vans, when one could
do the work. only my opinion but is £350-£400 not an average wage for one van two
employees?
If you want to expand and grow, then you have to go backwards to go forwards.
Reach a level, maintain it, re-adjust, build, grow and repeat and repeat and repeat :)
this is so true .
i have so many more custies than this point 3 months ago , but less monies available to me .
new purchases , continued marketing , wages etc are eating it all up but i will get to the lighter end of the tunnel by xmas.
speculate = accumulate
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whats so complicated??? i have two vans i have 483 customers at min down from over 1000 last year, im keeping it quite simple aiming for £200 a day each van which should have us both finished by 3 most days so its not physically exhausting.it averages out about 13-15 jobs a day each. im taking my friend on on a self employed basis as he does other types of work, we plan to push other services and try and max out both van eventually until im ready to invest in another van
whats your average customer price m8
id guess its prob be about 14quid over the whole business some rounds are higher around 16-17 but some average about 12
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ive not put prices up in four years tho so think im gna put them up next year as its bit of a milestone 5 years trading
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richy, after 2 years i am going round for the first time putting the prices up. about 1/4 through them now and i find it pretty nerve racking. anyway, why the hell would you wait another year? your customers will think youre stupid. 5 years is far too long to wait to put your prices up. in order to match the average increase in inflation you need to increase by 10% every 3 years. the longer you go on, the less your £10 job is worth
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I put half up last year and doing other half at moment. This half are some early mispriced work so some up a fiver and no losses so far.
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i just wana get things running sweet again and make sure works getting cleaned correctly and debts arent being messed up just improve the service basically so it warrants a price rise coz the last year has been detrimental to our customer service