Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: garybristow on June 09, 2012, 09:44:24 am
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morning everyone,i came on a couple of months ago to find someone who could service my tm.
been quoted £300 to £400 by prochem ,this is an 130 hour old machine so its a basic first service!!!!!!!
i am now getting blocked jets on my wand,i clear it then it almost gets blocked instantly
so can anyone recommend someone without blowing my wallett to bits
cheers gary
im based in cheam surrey
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It probably needs descaling. Scale which is Limestone and other minerals dissolved in water, build up on the inside of your heat exchangers and other components. These deposits break away and cause blocked jets. The build up also reduces the efficiency of the machine, especially the heat. The scale looks like rust, the same stuff you get in a kettle.
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Run some descaler through the machine. If you need help my email is mick@thecarpetcleaningpro.co.uk
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Gary
I’m free and will show you, it’s total rocket science ;D
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1. Descale - although its a bit early for that unless you are in a very hard water area (like me)
2. Get inline filters on each tool/wand
eeerrr thats it!
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thanks everyone il contact one of you on monday
your all very helpful !
thanks again
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You raised this point a couple of weeks ago Gary, did you not de-scale the machine? Or fit an in-line filter, or jet screens?
You were given loads of helpful advice which should have sorted your problem.
Take the Y-strainer out and inspect it - is it caked in crud or clear? That would tell you whether the source of the debris is within the machine's plumbing or header tank, or if it is coming off the inside of the hoses.
Alltec basic service would probably set you back £130 - £200 depending on variables. Not too bad a journey
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Jim
You don’t know our neck of the woods Prochem would be cheaper
Now this water scale if I can post picture
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Look to the left (avatar)
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Just suggesting options Len. Even with my bestest squint I can't really see what's going on in your photo but I bet it shows some limescale! :)
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yes jim i have printed your instructions,to be honest im f-------- useless at anything like this ,
i very much apreciate your time ,im gonna have a look and see if its something i can do.
im just very surprised at pro chems price!im reading the manual whilst im doing this
i might ring len if the shi :-\ hits the fan
good luck england today
nb ive just spoken to paul there premises are at sandown race corse
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in reply to john,youre bang on thats exactly whats happening,prochem is close to me ,is it wise to use there discaler?
regards
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Gary
All though not addressed to me
Never used there discaler, only used the ones you get from a jan supplier. Check prices and distance (keep it cheap) don’t forget your hoses and take out the orifice for the final rinse ??? ;)
Jim
That my hot water tank which I took out Friday (new bath room and surrey flange) and I’ve got a water-softener. Nobody told me you need to flush the system :'(
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Len, read the f---in instructions you plonker ;D
what the hell is a Surrey Flange?! Is that Len-speak for something?!
Gary search for your local supplier of Clover products, they do a de-scaler called Phos which is brilliant. The "Truckmount" de-scalers from our suppliers are not going to be any better, probably more watered down if anything, and are twice the price or more.
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http://www.cloverchem.co.uk/uk/products/food_phos_uk.htm
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Jim
What instruction know about central heating power flush bundles on utube
I nearly called Gary hoping he knew what it is his from Surrey ;)
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These are things that seem hard but if you see someone do it you will see it's straightforward. Anyone who went up to Pauls for the TACCA course probably would agree with me.
So if you can get someone to show you, you're laughing.
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Len, .... what the hell is a Surrey Flange?! Is that Len-speak for something?!
Jim
Haven't you got a shower in the house :o - a Surrey flange is an essential item if you had one ;)
regards
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thanks for all your help everyone
by the way theres plenty of flange in surrey :o :o :o
gary
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What instruction know about central heating power flush bundles on utube
Can someone fluent in Len-speak please translate? :-\
I understood Gary's answer ;)
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ive now officially descaled my machine ,im now being told to rinse with water ie run the machine for a long time to really flush out crap,do we agree with that?
i did use the day after descale and the poxy jets got bunged up within minutes,unbelievable
gary
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Jim
Can’t you remember what you said/wrote read the profanity instructions I can be ;D
Gary
What a bummer back to square one. How much did it cost you :'(
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ive now officially descaled my machine ,im now being told to rinse with water ie run the machine for a long time to really flush out crap,do we agree with that?
i did use the day after descale and the poxy jets got bunged up within minutes,unbelievable
gary
Can you not run an inline filter after the QC
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Did you do what I told and put a blank quick connect on the end of your solution lines. You need to do this and flush it through thoroughly before attaching any tools.
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sorry to be thick john
what do you mean?
i ran the machine for an hour ,i plugged in a male connecter into the solution hose connector with 2 foot of pipe attached to it and just let the water flow out,probably run 170 litres of water through it
gary
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Crikey that's well more than enough flushing out! I normally flush through for about 10 minutes tops after de-scaling. Something is definitely not right. Have you looked at your Y-strainer?
Len, to answer your question: Toast the rigid goldfish under gently suspension bridge louder whilst honeybee wobble the walking stick combine harvester.
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Gary, I would descale it again, I know its a pain but if its a heavy build up it will take a bit of shifting. Local guy with a Blazer had to do it 3 times before it was cleared.
Also i would attach your solution lines and put the blank connector on the end of these and flush through whilst flushing the machine. It doesn't take much to block your jet and there may have been scale debris already in the pipework of the tools.
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ok ohn see what you mean
i attached solution hose to the wand,took off the 4 sprayers and taped the trigger up so it flushed through,did that for 20 mins so the solution hose was flushed
gary
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buy larger jets for your wand 95010 will do the job, how many of you actually own
truckmounts over there.
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Over where?!
95010 is a bit too specific advice when you don't know what wand he's running... in all probability unless he's got a 10 jet wand that will be a smaller jet size :)
Going up a jet size isn't a solution to debris blocking the jets, and it completely changes the dynamic of your cleaning system so should only be done as a positive, conscious move to alter your style. Getting rid of the source of the problem is the solution, and I agree with JK that the de-scaling hasn't been sufficient in the first place. There is absolutely no reason why a TM should constantly cause these problems... it just takes an understanding of the equipment to manage it correctly.
Gary if you want someone to talk you through this, email me your phone number and I'll help you out mate. You seem to be choosing the easiest answers in hope of solving your problem. You could put a million litres of water through the thing but if it isn't de-scaled properly you'll still get the bits coming off and causing blockages!
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thanks jim youre a diamond,i have however finally sorted it out!!i took it to prochem to service it,i told them i descaled ,they asked if i cleaned the chemical check valve and the solution screen! needless to say i didnt (how am i suppost to know?) i used it today it was perfect,i asked them why dont they have that info in the manual?
when things go wrong thats when you learn how the thing works
they gave me a tip on how to clean the solutions hoses which may have helped as well,put half a litre of fibre and fab in the header tank, run it through the hoses and leave in for an hour then flush through aparently they clean machines with it and everything
so thanks to everyone who contributed to my problem
gary
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Isn't that basically what a descale is??
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Gary, I wrote in one of my earlier posts to inspect the Y-strainer!!!
Glad you got it sorted though and you are 100% right - it's only when things go wrong that you really learn about how your machinery works! I have learned a lot about heat exchangers in the last couple of weeks :-\
Fib/fab probably contains a very mild acid like citric, which will have a modest effect on light build up of scale. It's nowhere near the effectiveness of a decent phosphoric de-scaler, which you should use for a major de-scale every now and then. Most important thing is to keep your water softener charged properly, don't get slack with it... prevention being better than cure, and all that.
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wise words
thanks
gary