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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: BVC on June 06, 2012, 06:27:54 pm
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As per the title.
What would be a fair wage for 12 easy days hot wfp, van/ equipment provided, money in the bank upon completion of worksheets.
Offered this to a lad that started s/employed wc 3 months ago said he desperately needs work. So offered this deal and he said without a hint of sarcasm he would be over the moon as long as I could pay £35 an hour :o
When I asked why he thought that reasonable he said he done a £40 hour the other day ;D
What do you reckon should I take him on ???
BVC.
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he said without a hint of sarcasm he would be over the moon as long as I could pay £35 an hour
He's been reading too many posts on here ;)
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If you are providing everything, then he is not self emplyed, he is a employee.
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give ova man........ all your gear etc.....10 spot at most
seems a bit of a wide boy......... if i were you give him a wide berth
would,nt even waste ma breath on him
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Is he worth £35 per hour to you?
John
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If you are providing everything, then he is not self emplyed, he is a employee.
Give over....... please......He's registered self employed has his own van and small round and I offered to sub him 12 days a month. Ask the tax man like I did. ;)
BVC 8)
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Is he worth £35 per hour to you?
John
I'm not even worth £35 an hour to me!! :o
BVC.
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just for clarification
are you supplying everything and he provides the labour?
or is he supplying everything?(van etc)
if the latter yes i would want £35.00 per hour as he is hiring out his business to you
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just for clarification
are you supplying everything and he provides the labour?
or is he supplying everything?(van etc)
if the latter yes i would want £35.00 per hour as he is hiring out his business to you
Its the former. I am looking to cut down to part time so offered to let him get in my van, use my gear, do some of my work, and get paid some of the money he so "desperately" needs!
With all due respect bob. (ive benefited from some of your posts) Are you seriously saying you wouldnt entertain doing an easy established wfp day for less than £210 money in the bank at the end of the day?
BVC.
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Offer him £110 maximum a day take it or leave it.
Andy
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just for clarification
are you supplying everything and he provides the labour?
or is he supplying everything?(van etc)
if the latter yes i would want £35.00 per hour as he is hiring out his business to you
Its the former. I am looking to cut down to part time so offered to let him get in my van, use my gear, do some of my work, and get paid some of the money he so "desperately" needs!
With all due respect bob. (ive benefited from some of your posts) Are you seriously saying you wouldnt entertain doing an easy established wfp day for less than £210 money in the bank at the end of the day?
BVC.
hi bvc
i think im getting the wrong details here
its your van-yes?
your equipment-yes?
your customers-yes?
so in a sense his being employed by you,would that be right, whether full or part time
if the above is right,i hope it is, he thinks his worth £35.00 an hour?
if thats the case i will come and work for you and sell my business ;D
no ones worth that surely it would be £7/8 per hour
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Just to add a little perspective..
I got a mate that fits bespoke kitchens for a company on a sub contract basis. He provides his own vehicle and tools and he gets £20 per hour. I am talking £30k kitchens and if he damages anything he gets it deducted from his invoice. They also only pay monthly.
Last year all the subbys got a letter from the boss say because of the economic climate they will have to take a 15% pay cut from next month. Take it or leave it.
This guy lugs 12ft lengths of solid granite for £17 an hour and he is a craftsman. I only want someone to wave an slx around and spray hot water at some glass.
BVC..
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just for clarification
are you supplying everything and he provides the labour?
or is he supplying everything?(van etc)
if the latter yes i would want £35.00 per hour as he is hiring out his business to you
Its the former. I am looking to cut down to part time so offered to let him get in my van, use my gear, do some of my work, and get paid some of the money he so "desperately" needs!
With all due respect bob. (ive benefited from some of your posts) Are you seriously saying you wouldnt entertain doing an easy established wfp day for less than £210 money in the bank at the end of the day?
BVC.
hi bvc
i think im getting the wrong details here
its your van-yes?
your equipment-yes?
your customers-yes?
so in a sense his being employed by you,would that be right, whether full or part time
if the above is right,i hope it is, he thinks his worth £35.00 an hour?
if thats the case i will come and work for you and sell my business ;D
no ones worth that surely it would be £7/8 per hour
Spot on bob. I offered him £10 an hour and he laughed in my face.
BVC.
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If you wanted me to clean for you it would cost you £40 per hour for the simple reason, thats what I already earn cleaning windows if it was carpets I would be looking at £60 per hour, why would I want to work for less.
If I was you get someone to work for £10 to £15 an hour, that way you and he make money.
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Just to add a little perspective..
I got a mate that fits bespoke kitchens for a company on a sub contract basis. He provides his own vehicle and tools and he gets £20 per hour. I am talking £30k kitchens and if he damages anything he gets it deducted from his invoice. They also only pay monthly.
Last year all the subbys got a letter from the boss say because of the economic climate they will have to take a 15% pay cut from next month. Take it or leave it.
That is a ggod rate for a kitchen fitter I know some get £12 per hour. Provide own tools van etc ... so I reckon a tenner is a decent amount for a bit of window brushing labour only.
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just for clarification
are you supplying everything and he provides the labour?
or is he supplying everything?(van etc)
if the latter yes i would want £35.00 per hour as he is hiring out his business to you
Its the former. I am looking to cut down to part time so offered to let him get in my van, use my gear, do some of my work, and get paid some of the money he so "desperately" needs!
With all due respect bob. (ive benefited from some of your posts) Are you seriously saying you wouldnt entertain doing an easy established wfp day for less than £210 money in the bank at the end of the day?
BVC.
hi bvc
i think im getting the wrong details here
its your van-yes?
your equipment-yes?
your customers-yes?
so in a sense his being employed by you,would that be right, whether full or part time
if the above is right,i hope it is, he thinks his worth £35.00 an hour?
if thats the case i will come and work for you and sell my business ;D
no ones worth that surely it would be £7/8 per hour
Spot on bob. I offered him £10 an hour and he laughed in my face.
BVC.
Just goes to show he is looking for a sucker 'cos he could build his own run up some more and be self-reliant ... or he's telling porkies and hasn't got any work of his own and just wants easy money.
John
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If you wanted me to clean for you it would cost you £40 per hour for the simple reason, thats what I already earn cleaning windows if it was carpets I would be looking at £60 per hour, why would I want to work for less.
If I was you get someone to work for £10 to £15 an hour, that way you and he make money.
If I asked Beckham to sub my round I am sure he would for £100k an hour. I am not questioning the fact shiners are worth 20 30 50 100 quid an hour. I am positive alex gardiner wouldn't work for less than £1000 a day.
However, this lad (mid 20s) has been cleaning for 3 months and he really "needs" extra work. Last xmas he was doing 40 hours a week for £200. He has canvassed every other night and only has a day a week. I thought he might have appreciated 12 grand a year in his account.
I call this "wanna be footballer syndrome" Bowling around in Armani tshirts and versace jeans and eating beans on toast for dinner.
I also think with the numerous forums available to research any trade out there these guys think they can come in and command proper money. These lads cant work out why, although they can do 7 keepy uppys they havent been offered a premiership contract for 100k a week.
Good comments, keep em coming ;D
Regards
BVC.
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offer him 50 50 of what he makes . gives him incentive to get the work done. i did that when i was first introduced to wc and it works. problem was after the first day i thought that i want 100 per cent and conspired to start on my own . start of a new era for me
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move on BVC just advertise in the job centre and you will get the right deal
£35/40 an hour is what the owner commands not the employee
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BVC I'm sure you could put an advert on the Internet for a full time window cleaner for a lot less than that. Until recently I was getting £355 a week before tax to work from 0700-1730 then sort 3 vans out. Put lads work sheets in vans wash their dirty scrims, change resin. Then take phone calls all day about snapped shoe laces and things like that.
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move on BVC just advertise in the job centre and you will get the right deal
£35/40 an hour is what the owner commands not the employee
Wouldnt be to bothered but this is the third person I have spoken to over the last couple of months and all 3 just looked at me like I had Just poked them in the eye with a squeegy ;D
One even knocked on my door and then said no.!!!!!
BVC.
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I wouldn't let him anywhere near my work ...
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move on BVC just advertise in the job centre and you will get the right deal
£35/40 an hour is what the owner commands not the employee
Wouldnt be to bothered but this is the third person I have spoken to over the last couple of months and all 3 just looked at me like I had Just poked them in the eye with a squeegy ;D
One even knocked on my door and then said no.!!!!!
BVC.
what part of the world are you in?
probably la la land judging by these employees ;D
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if he wants £35 per hour, say no problem I want you to complete £80 per hours worth of work with no customer call backs or complaints ::) cannot see how he refused an offer like this ;D
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I got a mate that fits bespoke kitchens for a company on a sub contract basis. He provides his own vehicle and tools and he gets £20 per hour. I am talking £30k kitchens and if he damages anything he gets it deducted from his invoice[/b]
So if he damages a £2000 piece of granite, it is quite brittle,and quite expensive, he has to work free for the next 100 hours?
He ought to take up window cleaning. ;)'
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However, this lad (mid 20s) has been cleaning for 3 months and he really "needs" extra work. Last xmas he was doing 40 hours a week for £200. He has canvassed every other night and only has a day a week. I thought he might have appreciated 12 grand a year in his account.
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This says it all really. It takes 2 years or more to build a run, and longer to make it really decent. Sounds like he needs to get out there and keep canvassing/leafletting/getting himself known if he is looking for £35 per hour. In the meantime you've offered him £10 per hour, which is very reasonable. He can't be as desperate as he makes out if he believes that £0 per hour is better than £10. Either that or he is too lazy to put in the effort to build his own work up, in which case he wouldn't be good for your business.
John
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I havn't read any of the replies or posts.... but if he feels he is worth that, and he is so good... why hasn't he set up on his own? ??? ??? ???
I dont pay any more than £80 a day..... and I expect another 80 from them for me!
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It seems to me that the problem is that he is used to the type of money that can be earned self-employed. Although he would be using your kit so wouldn't have the expense of running your van/making the water for your work etc., the fact is that he is still stuck with the fixed costs of actually BEING self-employed (i.e. the fixed costs for his own vehicle are still the same, his PL insurance is still the same etc.). So really, I suppose the figure that would need to be calculated to find a fair rate for him are to calculate what he normally earns, deduct what he is costing you for using your kit, factor in some profit for yourself, allow for the fact that he will have no paid holiday leave (compare to PAYE on this one).
The hourly rate that would be left is anyone's guess but it should be quite a bit less than what he would normally turn over in an hour but quite a bit more than he would get on PAYE. It sounds highly likely that even allowing for using your kit, the drop would be too much for him and the same rate might too high for you to profit.
I can't go along with the £10 an hour mentioned earlier though. If you had him on PAYE and paid £8 an hour, that extra £2 an hour would barely cover the holiday he doesn't get.
It may be that a number around 16-£18 an hour would be thereabouts but as I say, maybe there isn't enough wriggle room for you both.
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I got a mate that fits bespoke kitchens for a company on a sub contract basis. He provides his own vehicle and tools and he gets £20 per hour. I am talking £30k kitchens and if he damages anything he gets it deducted from his invoice[/b]
So if he damages a £2000 piece of granite, it is quite brittle,and quite expensive, he has to work free for the next 100 hours?
He ought to take up window cleaning. ;)'
Not sure about the intended tone so I wont take it as a sarcastic comment.
I would imagine He is insured and has an excess. Damage a mixer tap you pay for it. Break 5 grands worth of granite you make a claim. Much like if your subby smashes your van up or you put your pole through a plate glass window.
Either way he pays for it.
BVC.
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Just to clarify. When this lad said he done a £40 hour. THATS ALL HE DONE!!!! One hour and went home ;D
BVC.
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move on BVC just advertise in the job centre and you will get the right deal
£35/40 an hour is what the owner commands not the employee
Wouldnt be to bothered but this is the third person I have spoken to over the last couple of months and all 3 just looked at me like I had Just poked them in the eye with a squeegy ;D
One even knocked on my door and then said no.!!!!!
BVC.
what part of the world are you in?
probably la la land judging by these employees ;D
Sunny Ipswich.
Weh yer gowin boy?
Im not gowin anywhere, Im comin baack boy!
BVC.
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I would imagine He is insured and has an excess. Damage a mixer tap you pay for it. Break 5 grands worth of granite you make a claim. Much like if your subby smashes your van up or you put your pole through a plate glass window.
Either way he pays for it.
BVC.
Do subbys require insurance to drive other peoples vans, or does the 'employer'/contract holder provide the insurance? That should give the correct answer. I'd seriously doubt whether someone driving your van doing your work is actually a subcontractor.
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Not sure about the intended tone so I wont take it as a sarcastic comment.
No wasn't intended as sarcastic. Sorry, I meant it as in it just goes to show how relatively carefree window cleaning is in comparison to what I call skilled jobs, as opposed to window cleaning which I call unskilled. :)
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I would imagine He is insured and has an excess. Damage a mixer tap you pay for it. Break 5 grands worth of granite you make a claim. Much like if your subby smashes your van up or you put your pole through a plate glass window.
Either way he pays for it.
BVC.
Do subbys require insurance to drive other peoples vans, or does the 'employer'/contract holder provide the insurance? That should give the correct answer. I'd seriously doubt whether someone driving your van doing your work is actually a subcontractor.
No offense mate but why seriously doubt? Go and ask the tax man! I did and he said If he has his own business and Is registered with us he can sub and issue an invoice. Why all the drama?
BVC ;D
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Not sure about the intended tone so I wont take it as a sarcastic comment.
No wasn't intended as sarcastic. Sorry, I meant it as in it just goes to show how relatively carefree window cleaning is in comparison to what I call skilled jobs, as opposed to window cleaning which I call unskilled. :)
Sorry bout that then jackie. I completely concur. I think wc is a breeze compared with what some have to do to put food on the table. There are even days I think its easier than being on the dole. Seriously, Job interviews, and form filling what a bind. ;D
BVC.
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Now of to work to earn the £600 that no one would get out of bed for less than. :-\ ???
BVC. ;D
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Sounds like a greedy young lad ,i bet he will make a round off your back WATCH OUT . only 3 months wc experience £35 an hour give over .what will happen when you have some inside work he will not even earn you 35 an hour (just my opinion) DONT DO IT !!!!!!! good luck !