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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richywilts on May 21, 2012, 09:35:51 pm
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finally had enough couple of weeks ago constantly not being bothered with work and that just couldnt for life of me want to get up for work after last year everything chipping away at me i knew it wasnt just me being lazy and not bothering coz i do care about my business ive probably felt like this for going on a year and some have mentioned id prob have a sort of breakdown but iv been on anti depressant now for ten days and got the motivation back and my heads a lot clearer now i dont feel like im hitting brick walls all the time,
been leaflet dropping about 3000 a week and canvassing and we picked up 50 odd new customers last week soon have second van back out!! i cant wait to get out everyday now
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Glad to hear it Richy. keep it up mate
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*popcorn .................. get your popcorn here* ;D ;D ;D
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Many people have the same problems and will just not admit it.Well down Richy keep up and I know you will do well. :D
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Good on you ritchy.
As someone who has also suffered from depression I wish you all the best. Just don't stay on the meds for too long.
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dont try to go two fast take it steady had break down 10 years ago two much work and know play i went mad lost my will to live but thanks to docters and my family a got out from the bottem of well now back working and got myself right just take it steady and if you feel down go see docter
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Good to hear. Best wishes :)
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*popcorn .................. get your popcorn here* ;D ;D ;D
Gob sh@te...
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im ok it was just the work had enough of and few problems with the missus and didnt really know which way to turn give up and sell up or work hard at it so im gna bust me balls thru the summer and turn it round i just needed kick up the arse
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Good lad!
Best of luck with everything :)
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im ok it was just the work had enough of and few problems with the missus and didnt really know which way to turn give up and sell up or work hard at it so im gna bust me balls thru the summer and turn it round i just needed kick up the arse
best of luck m8 ;)
its really easy to hit the wall , takes real guts to realise u have a problem u cannot deal with alone....and seek advice
my thoughts really are share only some of your thoughts online m8 , because it could make u worse.....hopefully not ;)
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My missis suffers from depression after the death of the mother and being post naital,
It's no laughing matter let me tell you.
She went to see the doc and it has changed our lives for the better as it al most ruinied us!
Good on ye richy take it easy mate medication is fantastic these days
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*popcorn .................. get your popcorn here* ;D ;D ;D
Gob sh@te...
you're entitled to your opinion.
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*popcorn .................. get your popcorn here* ;D ;D ;D
Gob sh@te...
you're entitled to your opinion.
If ye wana be a kn@b ed get back on face book
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im ok it was just the work had enough of and few problems with the missus and didnt really know which way to turn give up and sell up or work hard at it so im gna bust me balls thru the summer and turn it round i just needed kick up the arse
best of luck m8 ;)
its really easy to hit the wall , takes real guts to realise u have a problem u cannot deal with alone....and seek advice
my thoughts really are share only some of your thoughts online m8 , because it could make u worse.....hopefully not ;)
yeah i know what ya saying just wanted to let some of the guys on here whose comments i respect know whats been going on and may help them realise how ive been feeling etc regarding some posts and topics on here
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*popcorn .................. get your popcorn here* ;D ;D ;D
Gob sh@te...
you're entitled to your opinion.
If ye wana be a kn@b ed get back on face book
ignore the muppet colin dont lower yaself to his levels!!
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im ok it was just the work had enough of and few problems with the missus and didnt really know which way to turn give up and sell up or work hard at it so im gna bust me balls thru the summer and turn it round i just needed kick up the arse
Not true; it's an illness and it needs to be dealt with as such. I think you did the right thing, going to the doctors.
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Richy, good to hear you sort help depression is not good.
hopefully your posts will start to flow again, sod the haters mate, jealousy in its finest.
I will say though the popcorn post did make me spit my coffee all over my desk and lol.
Glad to hear your ok though, I do mean that sincerly (never could spell that word)
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*popcorn .................. get your popcorn here* ;D ;D ;D
It's not really appropriate to take the rise out of someone suffering from an illness.
Vin
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his comments not bothered me i seen the funny side of it meself just telling col not to get in a bitching war
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I am pleased that you are recovering Richy. Fair play to you for sticking with things after what you have been through.
Best wishes,
John
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Ditch the pills,they`ll make you come funny !
Plus you are almost certainly not depressed enough for medication,don`t let anyone get you into "patient" mode,they will get more out of it than you unless you are devilishly cunning.
Anyway your on here spouting so your fixed,
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Good luck mate, it did get a bit like a soap opera at times but I am sure no one realised how bad things were....
You have achieved a lot and should be proud, use your business as a positive not a negative....
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Ditch the pills,they`ll make you come funny !
Plus you are almost certainly not depressed enough for medication,don`t let anyone get you into "patient" mode,they will get more out of it than you unless you are devilishly cunning.
Anyway your on here spouting so your fixed,
How do you come to these conclusions, in Richywilts's case?
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Ditch the pills,they`ll make you come funny !
Plus you are almost certainly not depressed enough for medication,don`t let anyone get you into "patient" mode,they will get more out of it than you unless you are devilishly cunning.
Anyway your on here spouting so your fixed,
I'd trust richys doctors diagnosis over yours I'm afraid.
Chin up richy, just remember there is always somebody out there worse off than yourself.
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Just Do It! ;)
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Ditch the pills,they`ll make you come funny !
Plus you are almost certainly not depressed enough for medication,don`t let anyone get you into "patient" mode,they will get more out of it than you unless you are devilishly cunning.
Anyway your on here spouting so your fixed,
I'd trust richys doctors diagnosis over yours I'm afraid.
Chin up richy, just remember there is always somebody out there worse off than yourself.
I was doing a little sweepstake on this thread - was waiting for the inevitable "Chin up" line! :)
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Ditch the pills,they`ll make you come funny !
Plus you are almost certainly not depressed enough for medication,don`t let anyone get you into "patient" mode,they will get more out of it than you unless you are devilishly cunning.
Anyway your on here spouting so your fixed,
How do you come to these conclusions, in Richwilts's case?
I`m a recovering Irish Catholic Alcoholic there isn`t anything i can`t tell you about "depression".
Incidentally there is no such thing as Addiction and Alcoholism is not a disease.
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It means he has an excuse for not making any sense
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I`m a recovering Irish Catholic Alcoholic there isn`t anything i can`t tell you about "depression".
Incidentally there is no such thing as Addiction and Alcoholism is not a disease.
Would I be right in thinking that alcoholics are self-absorbed, self-centred, ego-centric individuals who think they know just about everything there is to know, even if they have no experience of it whatsoever; have an opinion on just about everything, and dont mind telling you what it is even if they haven't been asked. Spend all day putting the world to rights in there imaginary universe between their ears and look down on anything and everything, in that annoyingly superior fashion of peering down their noses, that might possibly be considered as being either superior or better than them?
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I`m a recovering Irish Catholic Alcoholic there isn`t anything i can`t tell you about "depression".
Incidentally there is no such thing as Addiction and Alcoholism is not a disease.
Would I be right in thinking that alcoholics are self-absorbed, self-centred, ego-centric individuals who think they know just about everything there is to know, even if they have no experience of it whatsoever; have an opinion on just about everything, and dont mind telling you what it is even if they haven't been asked. Spend all day putting the world to rights in there imaginary universe between their ears and look down on anything and everything, in that annoyingly superior fashion of peering down their noses, that might possibly be considered as being either superior or better than them?
In many cases this is about right,its about playing GOD and the lust to be in control.The Alcoholics Anonymous programme amongst other things attempts to reduce the ego of the alcoholic.
In my case i`m not quite sure what happened but as total honesty came to me i was no longer able to pretend i was a lesser being !
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I`m a recovering Irish Catholic Alcoholic there isn`t anything i can`t tell you about "depression".
Incidentally there is no such thing as Addiction and Alcoholism is not a disease.
Would I be right in thinking that alcoholics are self-absorbed, self-centred, ego-centric individuals who think they know just about everything there is to know, even if they have no experience of it whatsoever; have an opinion on just about everything, and dont mind telling you what it is even if they haven't been asked. Spend all day putting the world to rights in there imaginary universe between their ears and look down on anything and everything, in that annoyingly superior fashion of peering down their noses, that might possibly be considered as being either superior or better than them?
http://dr-c.hubpages.com/hub/How-does-one-deal-with-a-member-of-the-family-with-Narcissistic-Personality-Disorder
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I remember around the time that Gary Speed commited suicide, if he could sink so low then surely it could happen to pretty much anyone?! I remember just hours earlier he seemed totally OK on Football Focus.
Anyway, Stan Collymore posted an in depth view of depression from his own, first hand experience. This was actually posted before Gary's suicide so it's not that he was seeking publicity.
His article changed my view of him, it gives a true insight into what those with depression go through. I think we have all known or at least suspected knowing someone close to us that is suffering from this.
Well worth five minutes of anyones tme. Here it is: -
http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/8039/38/
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ecoqm1
Richy, like someone as already said, probably best to keep this off here and stick to talking with a professional.
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So being totally honest, as you say you are, wouldn't it be be better to suggest Richy continues with his medication as suggested by his G.P, who is far more likely to understand what is going on, rather than by an alcoholic who has never met the chap, nor knows his situation.
Im sure you have experience of depression, of which there are many many kinds, but you dont have experience of Richy's, do you. I mean, diagnosing Richys condition over the internet is a bit like you coming on here and saying your WFP system isn't working and me saying its the fuse, when I havent go a clue about what might be the problem. It could be anything, the fuse might be the last thing to be concerned about.
Suggestions to Richy to come off his medication is a bit like saying to a cancer sufferer that they dont need their radiotherapy. Surely you're expressing that opinion I mentioned earlier when I refered to the alcoholic who thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows nothing?
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Richard, I had depression about 4 years ago now so know where your coming from, please dont depend on the drugs as they are only masking your problems! good book that help me was Don't Sweat the Small Stuff...really good read...best of luck mate :)
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I`m a recovering Irish Catholic Alcoholic there isn`t anything i can`t tell you about "depression".
Incidentally there is no such thing as Addiction and Alcoholism is not a disease.
Would I be right in thinking that alcoholics are self-absorbed, self-centred, ego-centric individuals who think they know just about everything there is to know, even if they have no experience of it whatsoever; have an opinion on just about everything, and dont mind telling you what it is even if they haven't been asked. Spend all day putting the world to rights in there imaginary universe between their ears and look down on anything and everything, in that annoyingly superior fashion of peering down their noses, that might possibly be considered as being either superior or better than them?
In many cases this is about right,its about playing GOD and the lust to be in control.The Alcoholics Anonymous programme amongst other things attempts to reduce the ego of the alcoholic.
In my case i`m not quite sure what happened but as total honesty came to me i was no longer able to pretend i was a lesser being !
Now I see why you're qualified to come to those conclusions. You're good.
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So being totally honest, as you say you are, wouldn't it be be better to suggest Richy continues with his medication as suggested by his G.P, who is far more likely to understand what is going on, rather than by an alcoholic who has never met the chap, nor knows his situation.
Im sure you have experience of depression, of which there are many many kinds, but you dont have experience of Richy's, do you. I mean, diagnosing Richys condition over the internet is a bit like you coming on here and saying your WFP system isn't working and me saying its the fuse, when I havent go a clue about what might be the problem. It could be anything, the fuse might be the last thing to be concerned about.
Suggestions to Richy to come off his medication is a bit like saying to a cancer sufferer that they dont need their radiotherapy. Surely you're expressing that opinion I mentioned earlier when I refered to the alcoholic who thinks he knows everything when in fact he knows nothing?
This is actually about "your" interpretation of an alcoholic and its very possible that you are now self-indulging.
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I remember around the time that Gary Speed commited suicide, if he could sink so low then surely it could happen to pretty much anyone?! I remember just hours earlier he seemed totally OK on Football Focus.
Anyway, Stan Collymore posted an in depth view of depression from his own, first hand experience. This was actually posted before Gary's suicide so it's not that he was seeking publicity.
His article changed my view of him, it gives a true insight into what those with depression go through. I think we have all known or at least suspected knowing someone close to us that is suffering from this.
Well worth five minutes of anyones tme. Here it is: -
http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/8039/38/
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ecoqm1
Richy, like someone as already said, probably best to keep this off here and stick to talking with a professional.
good post ian read stan collymores article interesting to read
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Just read it,a strange one is that Collymore,tires himself to exhaustion then gets upset about it,worries about it,destructive behaviour,definitely doesn`t like not being superman,needs to identify a get out clause.
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I can't see why Richy Wilts shouldn't post on this forum that's he's been, and still is, suffering from depression.
As for whether depression is an illness or not, it doesn't matter. If what ever he has affects his life to the extent it obviously has, then him or 'it' needs treatment.
It's the same for addictions or alcoholism. Whether they're illness's or not doesn't matter one hoot, they both need treatment of some kind.
It's like someone going to the doctor who has an actual illness and someone else going to the doctor thinking they have an actual illness when they don't. They both need to see a doctor but for different reasons. Both have symptoms that mean there's a problem.
So Richy, carry on posting mate. I'm sure you'll get there in the end if for no other reason than your prepared to admit you have problems but your trying to over come them.
Compared to some of the willy wavers and tarzan chest bashing types on this forum who are all things to everything window cleaning, Richy's posts are in a way refreshing.
Cheers
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I`m a recovering Irish Catholic Alcoholic there isn`t anything i can`t tell you about "depression".
Really now? We have a depression expert in our midsts; wow. What the heck are you doing cleaning windows when you could be out saving people from a life threatening illness, and earning a fortune while you're at it.
Incidentally there is no such thing as Addiction and Alcoholism is not a disease.
No such thing as addiction? Me and the mainstream medical profession would disagree. I agree with alcoholism not being a disease though; it's an illness, a mental illness; and you're obviously still mental.
Ditch the pills,they`ll make you come funny !
Plus you are almost certainly not depressed enough for medication,don`t let anyone get you into "patient" mode,they will get more out of it than you unless you are devilishly cunning.
Anyway your on here spouting so your fixed,
Erm, this is a window cleaning forum, not somewhere where we give medical advice of this nature. Stupid advice - just like this - has killed people in the past.
Added later:
Apologies for the sarcastic tone of my post; your intentions were honourable, though the advice you gave was really misguided. Medical advice of this nature HAS to be left to those qualified to deal with it. No 'ifs', no 'buts'.
Anymore of this type of advice and the harsh fonts will be coming out the bag. Are we clear?
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Hope you get things sorted long term, been there, missed 6 months of my life!!
Whatever you are on I wish I had had them as a 10 day turn around sounds awesome, took me months.
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lol Tosh, your quality mate :-)
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lol Tosh, your quality mate :-)
Thanks, I know! ;D
But I would say that there are complimentary approaches towards depression that people can take; they're safe - and those suffering should still take any prescribed medication. Have a google for Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction, it's pretty mainstream these days; I've a friend who is a mental health worker who teaches this to people suffering with depression.
There's also some helpful books such as:
The Mindful Way Through Depression:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Mindful-Way-Through-Depression/dp/1593851286
Full Catastrophe Living - Mindfulness Meditation
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Full-Catastrophe-Living-mindfulness-meditation/dp/0749915854/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1337691422&sr=1-1
I recommend both the above. But to even start such an approach, medical help is sometimes required to get on an even keel.
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finally had enough couple of weeks ago constantly not being bothered with work and that just couldnt for life of me want to get up for work after last year everything chipping away at me i knew it wasnt just me being lazy and not bothering coz i do care about my business ive probably felt like this for going on a year and some have mentioned id prob have a sort of breakdown but iv been on anti depressant now for ten days and got the motivation back and my heads a lot clearer now i dont feel like im hitting brick walls all the time,
been leaflet dropping about 3000 a week and canvassing and we picked up 50 odd new customers last week soon have second van back out!! i cant wait to get out everyday now
Glad to hear that you're sorting yourself out Richy.
Please remember though that the ADs are giving you an artificial sense of security so please please please go easy on yourself.
My own life has not been problem free either. I did try a few ways of helping myself cope with life and all its complications. It took me a long time but I eventually realised that I was tackling it from the wrong direction. Instead of finding ways to cope with life's complications, I should have been simplifying my life. Going the latter route was ego deflating at first but as a good friend of mine used to say, you can't save your face and your a*se at the same time. . That one simple sentence saved my bacon and has reverberated in my mind down the years.
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glad to hear youre on the mend. my girlfriend suffers from depression so i know a bit about it. being depressed is no different from having cancer or some other disease. its simply a chemical imbalance in your head, its not your fault. its essential that you take the medication because it is only that that can balance the chemicals in your brain. no amount of fresh air, or good attitude can solve depression. obviously it helps but first find the right anti depression pills, then get to work on improving all aspects of your life
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*popcorn .................. get your popcorn here* ;D ;D ;D
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dont get that one ?
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*ROLL-UP ROLL-UP*
ALL THE FUN OF THE FAIR ;D ;D
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aahhh I see now ... duh !
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Added later:
Apologies for the sarcastic tone of my post; your intentions were honourable, though the advice you gave was really misguided. Medical advice of this nature HAS to be left to those qualified to deal with it. No 'ifs', no 'buts'.
Anymore of this type of advice and the harsh fonts will be coming out the bag. Are we clear?
Ha ha ha !!!!! ;D
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Glad you have turned things around
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finally had enough couple of weeks ago constantly not being bothered with work and that just couldnt for life of me want to get up for work after last year everything chipping away at me i knew it wasnt just me being lazy and not bothering coz i do care about my business ive probably felt like this for going on a year and some have mentioned id prob have a sort of breakdown but iv been on anti depressant now for ten days and got the motivation back and my heads a lot clearer now i dont feel like im hitting brick walls all the time,
been leaflet dropping about 3000 a week and canvassing and we picked up 50 odd new customers last week soon have second van back out!! i cant wait to get out everyday now
Glad to hear that you're sorting yourself out Richy.
Please remember though that the ADs are giving you an artificial sense of security so please please please go easy on yourself.My own life has not been problem free either. I did try a few ways of helping myself cope with life and all its complications. It took me a long time but I eventually realised that I was tackling it from the wrong direction. Instead of finding ways to cope with life's complications, I should have been simplifying my life. Going the latter route was ego deflating at first but as a good friend of mine used to say, you can't save your face and your a*se at the same time. . That one simple sentence saved my bacon and has reverberated in my mind down the years.
Well said, Paul; especially the bit in red.
It may be something you have to live with all your life, Richy; so don't expect too much too soon.
And don't be too hard on yourself if it resurfaces. Maybe there are triggers for it; watch for them and realise you got through it before and can do again.
Most importantly, remember it's not your fault .
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Most importantly, remember it's not your fault .
Maybe it's semantics, but when I'm feeling low or negative, I think it's always my fault; and that's a good thing. If it's my fault, then I have some power to change the situation. If it's not my fault then I'm at the mercy of external factors.
I prefer the 'thinking' that my mental health and emotional well-being is 100% my responsibility to take care of. I spend a lot of time keeping fit 'n' physically healthy, I spend a lot of time in meditation, and I spend a lot of time helping others. And if it meant I had to go to the docs and take medication, then I'd do that too.
If you look on the first page of the Depression for Dummies Book, it says that if you're able, to go and help someone. When we're down/depressed, helping others is the antidote. I could bore you with the reason why, but won't.
Here's the book if anyone is interested:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Depression-Dummies-Edition-Laura-Smith/dp/0764539000/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1337716604&sr=8-2
But if you believe that our mental health - our happiness - is something we have no control over, then that thought will come true.
I prefer to think that my mental health is something that I am responsible for; it's kinda 'manning up' and taking control of it, rather than being controlled by it. I also try not to let other people or situations control my happiness; my happiness is my responsibility - it's unfair on others to think otherwise.
Just my thoughts.
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.
This is exactly the type of namby pamby talk that created the psycho babbling industry that purports to treat and cure depression,an industry continually barking up the wrong tree and which continually invents newer and better treatment methods basically because the previous ones don`t work. It creates patients.
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.
This is exactly the type of namby pamby talk that created the psycho babbling industry that purports to treat and cure depression,an industry continually barking up the wrong tree and which continually invents newer and better treatment methods basically because the previous ones don`t work. It creates patients.
You are a dick...
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Depression is a terrible illness because it cannot be physically seen, but its effects are felt by the sufferer and are potentially devastating.
A very good friend of mine suffered with this for a number of years, and two years ago he took his own life. No one, even his wife, did not realize just how ill he was. I, among others tried to help as far as we could, but he always minimized his suffering, and just said, with a smile on his face, that we were kind for caring about him, but that he would be OK.
Sufferers need help, beit from a professional or someone who excels in counselling of some kind, who understands the illness and how they are really feeling, so the right kind of treatment can be given to help them cope with the illness, as I don't believe that depression is completely curable at the moment.
John
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.
This is exactly the type of namby pamby talk that created the psycho babbling industry that purports to treat and cure depression,an industry continually barking up the wrong tree and which continually invents newer and better treatment methods basically because the previous ones don`t work. It creates patients.
I do agree that the industry appears to have gone too far in some areas but until you have been through a psychiatric issue and out the other side, it can be difficult to grasp. As a working class manual worker, I'm too knackered to have neuroses much of the time. However, I do know that many years ago I was a very sick young man and may not have survived it without mental health assistance. Bear in mind that most psychiatric issues are temporary and treatable - and the majority of those need not be medicated. However, some psychiatric issues such as some types of depression (yes, there is more than one type) do need medicines to get the body balanced before the mind can follow. I'm happy for you that you don't seem to get this because it probably means that you have never had such issues.
Most things can be resolved by talking therapy IME. However, that's not always so.
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.
This is exactly the type of namby pamby talk that created the psycho babbling industry that purports to treat and cure depression,an industry continually barking up the wrong tree and which continually invents newer and better treatment methods basically because the previous ones don`t work. It creates patients.
Would you recommend suicide rather than treatment? That would reduce the number of patients.
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i agree with paul about keeping it simple richy.less stress,more peace of mind.hope your on the mend.for me personally its about realising I NEED some sort of therapy at times!! ;D ;D
you wont find it chasing work and money if thats what your doing all the time.its about balance and being open and honest with people,working hard but KNOWING WHEN TO TAKE A BREAK AND NOT TAKE TOO MUCH ON!!
quite a few on this post has had various problems with drugs and alcohol and depression.
luckily for me im a friend of bill W s so i count myself very lucky that i can change the landscape of my mind and spirit by following a few simple rules and acting on them on a day to day basis with the help of others.
best wishes to you all
dazmond
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Tosh, there's a difference between a fault and having no control over something.
You could regularly service your van but it could still go wrong. It might be something simple, you 'man up' and sort it. But it could be something major, so you need professional help to get it fixed.
If you feel depressed and you can't fix yourself, you could feel even more inadequate and then it snowballs.
I know what you mean, though. Sometimes we can snap ourselves out of the 'blues' but if someone has depression, then they need help to fix something that they might not be able to.
Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
But if you were depressed you might not think so rationally.
People with depression often don't think well of themselves, so blaming themselves could worsen it.
Recognising something and blaming something or someone are different.
This is exactly the type of namby pamby talk that created the psycho babbling industry that purports to treat and cure depression,an industry continually barking up the wrong tree and which continually invents newer and better treatment methods basically because the previous ones don`t work. It creates patients.
Would you recommend suicide rather than treatment? That would reduce the number of patients.
Not everyone that commits suicide is depressed. The horror of suicide is nearly always the first thought of a person when they are told someone has depression.Hence the sympathy extended to Richy Wilts,nobody is going to lose too much sleep if we think he`s a bit down and pi**ed off most of the time but its a totally different ball game if the word depression is mentioned as we conjure up him hanging from a noose and must tread ever so carefully in case we might say something that makes us culpable.So people think sympathy but they are thinking sympathy because they are scared of the end result and don`t actually know what else to say.So lots of stuff goes unsaid that ought to be and the sufferer remains untreated and fixed into patient mode as the root cause is ignored or hidden as the patient enjoys the sympathy. Weeks or months/years later the undiscovered root cause has no more significance to the patient and recovery is seen and this will be recorded as attributable to the treatment given and not to the the fact that the root cause has simply lost its potency.
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Read my post, I did say if it meant I had to see the GP, then I would. But then I'd have to do more than just that though; there are many many things we can do to help ourselves in this area.
I found the NHS to be not that good! they did help me in a small way with CBT (cognitive behavioural therapy) which in short tells you to catch you bad thoughts when they happen and learn to switch them! and stops the snow ball effect of negative think which leads to depression, i like to call it mindfulness
Richard, your mental health is more important than anything else! my starting point when i was first diagnose was to take regular exercise, eat healthy diet, and socialize, from then on its your road to take, I took the road of meditation then buddhism and some self help books, i have some friends that used neurolinguistics, so its your road to take as no one can take it for you!
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Not everyone that commits suicide is depressed. The horror of suicide is nearly always the first thought of a person when they are told someone has depression.Hence the sympathy extended to Richy Wilts,nobody is going to lose too much sleep if we think he`s a bit down and pi**ed off most of the time but its a totally different ball game if the word depression is mentioned as we conjure up him hanging from a noose and must tread ever so carefully in case we might say something that makes us culpable.So people think sympathy but they are thinking sympathy because they are scared of the end result and don`t actually know what else to say.So lots of stuff goes unsaid that ought to be and the sufferer remains untreated and fixed into patient mode as the root cause is ignored or hidden as the patient enjoys the sympathy. Weeks or months/years later the undiscovered root cause has no more significance to the patient and recovery is seen and this will be recorded as attributable to the treatment given.
I think that's a fair one, but you must be extremely careful about telling people not to take prescribed medicines. I believe in the 1970s our organisation came under a lot of scrutiny because some foaming-at-the-mouth members were saying stuff like, "You're not sober if you're taking anti depressants", so people were stopping taking them, then ending up committing suicide.
It really is a huge 'no no'. I've never heard it said, but if I did, I'd have to jump on it; it really is terrible advice.
But I agree with the sentiment of your post; you seem to be saying we condition people into thinking they're worse than they actually are. I think there could be some truth in that, but again, you've got to be smart in how you explain tough stuff.
I mean most, if not all, of our problems have their roots in self centredness - however if you tell someone that - they'll get annoyed and point out their problems are external, not internal (it's work, my wife, my kids, etc, etc). So, maybe it's the way you explain yourself which has annoyed some members here?
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Nameless drudge do yourself a favour and stop posting about something you clearly know nothing about.
Tosh, Is there the option on this forum to block all posts from certain people?
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i agree with paul about keeping it simple richy.less stress,more peace of mind.hope your on the mend.for me personally its about realising I NEED some sort of therapy at times!! ;D ;D
you wont find it chasing work and money if thats what your doing all the time.its about balance and being open and honest with people,working hard but KNOWING WHEN TO TAKE A BREAK AND NOT TAKE TOO MUCH ON!!
quite a few on this post has had various problems with drugs and alcohol and depression.
luckily for me im a friend of bill W s so i count myself very lucky that i can change the landscape of my mind and spirit by following a few simple rules and acting on them on a day to day basis with the help of others.
best wishes to you all
dazmond
who is bill w ???
or am i being slow ?
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There are different types and levels 'depression'.
Someone might just need a kick up the arse, get out to work and feel better. Someone else might need specialist help, medication and therapy.
Looking for answers in a couple of sentences could be risky.
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There are different types and levels 'depression'.
Someone might just need a kick up the arse, get out to work and feel better. Someone else might need specialist help, medication and therapy.
Looking for answers in a couple of sentences could be risky.
Yes, I agree. I'm going to lock this post now, I think. If someone wants to start a new one, in a general sense, there's the off topic area.
If anyone has any problems with me locking this post, I'm prepared to discuss it by e-mail.
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who is bill w ???
It's a bit like being a 'friend of Dorothy'. Google for it.