Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: keyser soze on May 11, 2012, 11:05:25 pm
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is there much difference(apart from the cost) between super max and superlite extreme on a handling basis. i wish
there was a show scheduled with the gardiner display so i could test the difference for myself
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Yeah, the max is telescopic the extreme isn't, it's more modular like.
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are you sure its not telescopic . it looks on the gardiner video like it is ....
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
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There is a huge difference!
The Xtreme is lighter & more rigid by some way! The Xtreme is telescopic up to 47ft then beyond that you add extension sections (modular). You can clamp each section fully closed, fully open & half way.
The Xtreme is an absolute belter of a pole, probably the best in the world at the mo'. ;)
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at the mo im using a grafter plus . and i want to replace with a gardiner . do i buy the supermax or save a while longer and get the extreme. whatever i do i want to be completely happy cause i dont want to do it again for a while
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
thats what i thought . question was is there a big difference between the max and extreme
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
Hahaha, you got one??
No!
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
Just to make things perfectly clear as your obviously confused and haven't actually got one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRlhDD3YoG8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Wet behind the ears ;D ;D
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I did movember, but couldn't wait till December the 1st to loose the upside down dead flies that drowned in the smear or marmalade .
Gary, your childish drivel is beginning to grate. Moderate your own posts or you will find yourself on a ban. 1st warning, I won't give a 2nd.
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that video is brill . the extreme looks straight as a die up till 50 odd feet but whats it like at 80 feet it looks a bit of a handful. does many on here clean that high.
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
so are you saying the pole cant be used as a normal pole under 47' ? as in clamp at any point below this, i get the modular part, but the telescoping part is confused?
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I have two, and unfortunately Mr Industry doesn't have a clue ;D
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
so are you saying the pole cant be used as a normal pole under 47' ? as in clamp at any point below this, i get the modular part, but the telescoping part is confused?
Yeah, if you buy a 47ft the first 7 sections are open or closed - no in between.
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I have two, and unfortunately Mr Industry doesn't have a clue ;D
hahah, so i'm wrong!! Show me
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Mine can be clamped halway on every section bar the top two I think. I have a 35' with extension pack taking it to 44' and a 25' with extension. The early 48' didn't have the half way points on all sections. the extensions were clampable anywhere.
Fantastic poles.
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/info_SLXTREME_POLES_35.html read it.
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My 25' doesn't have the halfway point on every section - just the base. I think this may have changed on the newer ones.
They have been modified since they first came out giving greater adjust-ability and better balance.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1336805973_half way.JPG)
Half way point on my newest pole.
the poles are high modulus which refers to the carbon manufacture I believe rather than meaning modular. They have a similar feel to the S2 in construction but are much stronger. Basically they are telescopic poles but are as close in lightness to a modular carbon pole as you can get.
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The main point being established is they do not work like a normal pole. Having 'half way' points on one size does not mute this point. So to say 'I haven't got a clue' is again unfounded.
Like I said, I'm here to bring balance to the world. Remove the scales from the eyes of blinded. ;D ;D ;D
(I'm jesting, let's not take ourselves to seriously!)
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I give up.
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ill be investing in a 40ft SUPERMAX when funds allow to go alongside my 25ft SLX and 22ft CLX.then if i get a job requiring extra height i will buy 2 extra sections taking me up to 50ft.
thatll be the limit for me as a one man band.i dont fancy cleaning ANY windows above 50ft really!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
regards
dazmond
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Ive seen a picture of the supermax and the xtreme both extended at an angle next to each other. The xtreme was a lot more rigid by far. Add to that you have the option to go higher if you then add the modular sections.
When the xtreme first came out it only clamped on full lengths of pole, the 50 had a base section that could be clamped anywhere giving you a bit of versatility. Now thoughl I'm led to believe that all the sections clamp half way as well as full length.
It really is unlike any other pole and in my opinion worth the extra if you have the work for it.
Simon.
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I was going to get a extreme with all extra section to reach 40ft and use it for residential one pole for every thing but now on lnow that you need to full orhalf way extend every section i think i will get a slx 18 and slx 35 ;D ;D ;D
Paul
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Makes little difference really, you are only talking two and a half feet. In practice it's no different to any other telescopic - you just step forward or back a few inches to compensate for small adjustments. I use 30' as my every day pole it's that good and rarely take any sections off at all. Does bungalows and up to three storeys and velux roof lights.
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
Just to make things perfectly clear as your obviously confused and haven't actually got one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRlhDD3YoG8&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Wet behind the ears ;D ;D
Yes, you are VERY wet behind the ears Mr. Industry! ::)
Yes, I have the 47ft version! I also had the 48ft version too. ;)
The Xtreme 47 CAN be clamped in three points per section- closed, open & halfway!
You, on the other hand have OBVIOUSLEY NOT got one or even seen one in the flesh have you? ::) And that my friend is why you talk rubbish! ;D ;D ;D If you had, I can assure you, you would be of the same opinion of everyone else who has one & you would fully appreciate why the pole pole works as it does- best pole bar none! ;)
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mr industry and gary nee are internet trolls.please take no notice of em!!i think they just like trying to wind people up!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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mr industry and gary nee are internet trolls.please take no notice of em!!i think they just like trying to wind people up!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gary won't be visiting us for a while, he's on ROPs, but Mr Industry does present a good argument, even if he is wrong.
It'd be a boring forum if we all agreed on the same thing.
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Well technically it is telescopic, but it's either open fully or closed, no in between. In that way it's modular.
are all sections like that or only last stages ?
Yes all are like that
Well you're wrong on both accounts Mr. Industry
1. there is an "in between" clamping point
2. all telescopic up to 47 & then modular
;D ;D ;D
so are you saying the pole cant be used as a normal pole under 47' ? as in clamp at any point below this, i get the modular part, but the telescoping part is confused?
Each section can only be clamped closed, fully open or halfway, The rest of each section is narrower to reduce weight. You might think this strange when used to conventional poles & given, this design on any other pole might be an issue but- with a pole as light & rigid as the Xtreme it isn't an issue. Also bear in mind the shorter Xtreme poles also have shorter sections to begin with. Using an Xtreme 25 is literally like cleaning with a pencil!! If you have an slx, it's like going from an old F/G pole to an slx! ;)
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Using an Xtreme 25 is literally like cleaning with a pencil!! If you have an slx, it's like going from an old F/G pole to an slx! ;)
I've just looked at the SLX 18 and the Extreme 18, there's about 180grams of weight between the two. 180g is a little less than two dry portions of pasta; think of a small fist full of dry spaghetti.
Do you really think there's that much difference between the two poles in practical use?
And if so, is that difference worth the price cost (which I think is about double)?
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Using an Xtreme 25 is literally like cleaning with a pencil!! If you have an slx, it's like going from an old F/G pole to an slx! ;)
I've just looked at the SLX 18 and the Extreme 18, there's about 180grams of weight between the two. 180g is a little less than two dry portions of pasta; think of a small fist full of dry spaghetti.
Do you really think there's that much difference between the two poles in practical use?
And if so, is that difference worth the price cost (which I think is about double)?
I wouldn't like to say on an 18ft situation. My reference is to the 25ft. For 25ft there is a real difference & the extra money is definitely worth it. ;)
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Thanks, win, that was useful.
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does anyone on here clean at 80 feet.id be interested to know id love to spend a day with these guys
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Hi Guys
Thank you for all of the above interest and comments on our products.
To answer the initial question there is a very big difference in performance between a Super-Max45 and an Xtreme47. Like the rest of the medium-modulus carbon poles in the Super-Max range the Super-Max45 is a very usable pole, however when to comes to real performance then the Xtreme is like working with a different tool. It is significantly lighter, better balanced and much more rigid.
What type of pole is the Xtreme? There has been some confusion about this and indeed the latest Xtremes are different to the early poles (in the videos) which adds to the confusion. I am about to release another video showing the Xtreme range in its current line-up which will hopefully have greater clarity of feature presentation. All Xtremes have fully telescopic sections - definition of telescopic is that that fully 'telescope' inside of each other during use.
The difference between these Xtreme telescoping poles and most others is that they have variable diameter section construction (Utility Patent Pending in UK, US and Europe) to facilitate exceptional rigidity and weight reduction. This means that on all of the sizes (apart from the diddy 18ft) they have three clamping positions, closed, halfway and fully open. Due to their shorter section lengths in testing and with over 18 months use of them, this has proved to be all that is needed. This applies to the 25ft, 35ft, 44ft (35ft + 44ft extension pack) and the 47ft. The 47ft then has an extra clamping point (closed, third open, two thirds open and fully open) on section 8 to provide even more adjustability.
Once you have got the 25ft or the 35ft up to 44ft with the telescopic extension packs and if using the 47ft you can then use our modular clamped extension to take the pole up to 75ft or 78ft. These slide on to the base and the first one acts as a fully telescopic section and then additional ones are modular.
Hopefully this clarifies the current pole construction.
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Using an Xtreme 25 is literally like cleaning with a pencil!! If you have an slx, it's like going from an old F/G pole to an slx! ;)
I've just looked at the SLX 18 and the Extreme 18, there's about 180grams of weight between the two. 180g is a little less than two dry portions of pasta; think of a small fist full of dry spaghetti.
Do you really think there's that much difference between the two poles in practical use?
And if so, is that difference worth the price cost (which I think is about double)?
I think it's 230grams difference. The thing to keep in mind though is the percentage saving on weight, the 230 grams which isn't a lot equates to a 32% reduction in pole weight, so when being used it is very noticeable and if you add into that the fact that the pole is much more rigid it's worth considering.
Obviously when you add the weight of brush and pole hose that 32% will drop a little but it just shows that numbers in grams doesn't mean every thing. a fat guy loosing a stone in weight is less than a baby loosing a pound. The xtreme 18 is like using a toothpick, there is so little flex on it.
Simon.
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Hi Guys
Thank you for all of the above interest and comments on our products.
To answer the initial question there is a very big difference in performance between a Super-Max45 and an Xtreme47. Like the rest of the medium-modulus carbon poles in the Super-Max range the Super-Max45 is a very usable pole, however when to comes to real performance then the Xtreme is like working with a different tool. It is significantly lighter, better balanced and much more rigid.
What type of pole is the Xtreme? There has been some confusion about this and indeed the latest Xtremes are different to the early poles (in the videos) which adds to the confusion. I am about to release another video showing the Xtreme range in its current line-up which will hopefully have greater clarity of feature presentation. All Xtremes have fully telescopic sections - definition of telescopic is that that fully 'telescope' inside of each other during use.
The difference between these Xtreme telescoping poles and most others is that they have variable diameter section construction (Utility Patent Pending in UK, US and Europe) to facilitate exceptional rigidity and weight reduction. This means that on all of the sizes (apart from the diddy 18ft) they have three clamping positions, closed, halfway and fully open. Due to their shorter section lengths in testing and with over 18 months use of them, this has proved to be all that is needed. This applies to the 25ft, 35ft, 44ft (35ft + 44ft extension pack) and the 47ft. The 47ft then has an extra clamping point (closed, third open, two thirds open and fully open) on section 8 to provide even more adjustability.
Once you have got the 25ft or the 35ft up to 44ft with the telescopic extension packs and if using the 47ft you can then use our modular clamped extension to take the pole up to 75ft or 78ft. These slide on to the base and the first one acts as a fully telescopic section and then additional ones are modular.
Hopefully this clarifies the current pole construction.
hi alex are you doing any shows in the near future id like to check out your range before i decide which pole to go with
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mr industry and gary nee are internet trolls.please take no notice of em!!i think they just like trying to wind people up!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So I'm a troll for answering a question that was asked (difference in two poles), then providing video evidence from none other than the person who makes it, and as I'm not upto date on the last 15 versions of the pole I get different people with different versions of the thing then say different things, and I get flamed!
I think you need to redefine your definition of a troll.
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mr industry and gary nee are internet trolls.please take no notice of em!!i think they just like trying to wind people up!! ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Gary won't be visiting us for a while, he's on ROPs, but Mr Industry does present a good argument, even if he is wrong.
It'd be a boring forum if we all agreed on the same thing.
and it would be a boring forum especially if people like me weren't about! Just look at how many views this topic has generated for Alex concerning his pole range!! Who knows, I might be working for him! ;D
Oh and Tosh, where am I wrong?
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i dont think it matters really its typical of some of the guys jumping on here down anothers throat because of one thing or another .(seems to happen a lot) so long as the we are on the same wave length does it really matter if its a part modular part telescopic .. (ive seen the video) it seems a waste of posts tbh. the truth is ive never seen xtreme or a supermax and wondered if it was worth paying the extra for a xtreme
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i dont think it matters really its typical of some of the guys jumping on here down anothers throat because of one thing or another .(seems to happen a lot) so long as the we are on the same wave length does it really matter if its a part modular part telescopic .. (ive seen the video) it seems a waste of posts tbh. the truth is ive never seen xtreme or a supermax and wondered if it was worth paying the extra for a xtreme
Andrew tbh honest mate, this post interests me, it does make a lot of difference if it is part telescopic or modular becuase if un able to colapse like a normal pole to get in tight spaces then it is not what I would want for certain types of work, and I could see it being a problem other types of work not so, the thing about posting on a forum means that anyone can add to it, when I did, I did so because I wanted to know answers as did you, I reply just to clear this up not thinking you was posting direct to a post I have made.
The problem is on here (not a problem for many) some can't handle the fact others probe more (not aimed at you or anyone) I probe things because I want answers and other do because I guess they to what answers not just hearsay.
I think Alex's pole are great but at the same time I am not a follower of anyone but i do recommend people to things I know work well for my company alex's poles being one of them.
I don't follow the sheep never have, if everyone did then this forum would be totally pointless ;)
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without going over old ground too much... the xtreme has got anchor points half way up each section and the base section you can clamp as a normal telescopic so would it restrict you ??????
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not a problem. As I use a 30' one every day with a swivel resi neck on every job. I did have an early 48' which I was less comfortable with because it had longer sections and no half way points. The 35' with extension pack is magic.
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not a problem. As I use a 30' one every day with a swivel resi neck on every job. I did have an early 48' which I was less comfortable with because it had longer sections and no half way points. The 35' with extension pack is magic.
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is that your recommendation mark . so its best to save and go for 35 xtreme and get the extension pack
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depends on the kind of work you have. The 48' is history now and has been replaced with the 47' If your round is mostly high stuff then get the 47' If like me you have mostly two and three storey work with occasional four to five then get the 35 with extension pack. Best bloke to speak to is of course Alex.
If you want the best pole on the market then I don't think you'll beat the xtreme. If you don't want to part with that much cash then the Supermax is an excellent pole too, much like the slx in construction.
I would suggest you email Alex and have a good chat with him away from the jokers on here then decide what's best for you.
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thanks for the advice mark . i only do a few tall stuff but hoping to get more taller stuff soon.( thats on my radar .) i want a pole that doesnt flap about so ive got more control...
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It's the same old story I'm afraid - you get what you pay for in the end. I tend to look at it as it's my main tool for my job, the only tool that makes me money so I want the best always. These days I'm never tired from pole work, never strain any stomach muscles or get neck ache. Most of that is simply down to using the lightest possible poles and brushes I can buy.
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It's the same old story I'm afraid - you get what you pay for in the end. I tend to look at it as it's my main tool for my job, the only tool that makes me money so I want the best always. These days I'm never tired from pole work, never strain any stomach muscles or get neck ache. Most of that is simply down to using the lightest possible poles and brushes I can buy.
Absolutely agree with this - I don't care whether I'm working from a big van small van old van new van, trailer, car, diy set up or whatever.
But the only thing I will spend money on to get the lightest and most rigid is my pole(s).
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Got to agree with you there Gold, without doubt the most important item of equipment the modern window cleaner has is his pole,and nine times out of ten it Alexs pole you want to be holding
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It's the same old story I'm afraid - you get what you pay for in the end. I tend to look at it as it's my main tool for my job, the only tool that makes me money so I want the best always. These days I'm never tired from pole work, never strain any stomach muscles or get neck ache. Most of that is simply down to using the lightest possible poles and brushes I can buy.
Here, here. Very wise words from Mr. Etting!