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Title: Accounts
Post by: Steve_c on April 19, 2012, 09:39:36 am
Just need a bit of advice about recording income within yearly accounts.  I am not sure if we are making things more difficult than they need to be so just want to check how everyone records there income before sending to the accountant.  Our accountant needs this information recorded on an excel spreadsheet however as payments are received in different ways (e.g. cash, cheque and on line payment) this seems to take ages splitting it out and tying it back to the bank statements as proof of paying in.  We use round tracker for job scheduling and therefore work from serapate worksheets each day which is what we run the income records from.  Round tracker does have method of recording payment but this seems even more complicated.  Thanks
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: H S and Son on April 19, 2012, 09:43:52 am
Steve you need to bin that accountant of yours, theyre charging stupid stupid money, mine comes in at less than £250 for exactly the same level of accountancy and they dont insist on particular methods of figure presentation.


Give her a bell shes called Ros Blackman her number is 01256 781444.

That crowd you are using are ripping you right off mate, no doubt about it. They should be on Rogue Traders for what you are paying them.
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: jim bean on April 19, 2012, 02:10:49 pm
Don't declare cash payers ;) surely if you've got to do all that what the hells ur accountant gonna do add em all up an take expenditures and done surely?
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: king marko on April 19, 2012, 02:22:50 pm
I just give my accountant a hand written ledger - he's never asked for anything different
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: jim bean on April 19, 2012, 02:28:30 pm
What's that mate a book with crosses in to mark where and when? That's how I am doing it an I hope the tax man don't moan lol last year I said on my tax return I didn't have any proof as the guy I worked with knicked the books!!
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: evo on April 19, 2012, 03:52:11 pm
What's that mate a book with crosses in to mark where and when? That's how I am doing it an I hope the tax man don't moan lol last year I said on my tax return I didn't have any proof as the guy I worked with knicked the books!!





lol :o ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 19, 2012, 04:09:08 pm
Just need a bit of advice about recording income within yearly accounts.  I am not sure if we are making things more difficult than they need to be so just want to check how everyone records there income before sending to the accountant.  Our accountant needs this information recorded on an excel spreadsheet however as payments are received in different ways (e.g. cash, cheque and on line payment) this seems to take ages splitting it out and tying it back to the bank statements as proof of paying in.  We use round tracker for job scheduling and therefore work from serapate worksheets each day which is what we run the income records from.  Round tracker does have method of recording payment but this seems even more complicated.  Thanks

Your accountant has no need for that information & it is none of their business anyway.

Sounds like they are trying to justify what they are charging you!
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Steve Sed on April 19, 2012, 04:13:49 pm
Dump.  ;)
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: king marko on April 19, 2012, 04:16:55 pm
What's that mate a book with crosses in to mark where and when? That's how I am doing it an I hope the tax man don't moan lol last year I said on my tax return I didn't have any proof as the guy I worked with knicked the books!!
It's hand written - but it details work done/money earned, money banked/received and all expenses - its been fine for him and takes no time to fill each month - just make sure i keep all receipts
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Mike #1 on April 19, 2012, 07:03:29 pm
They should be doing all that for you mate , i provide my mine with earnings for each week excluding cheques and bacs payments , Then  they filter through bank statements ,

If they want you to sort everything out you may as well do your own accounts . MIKE
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Steve_c on April 19, 2012, 08:12:32 pm
Thanks for you input lads.
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: CLAPHAM on April 20, 2012, 11:00:55 am
I give my accountant a report print out from George. It gives a breakdown of cash cheque and online payments.
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Helen on April 20, 2012, 04:08:39 pm
Just need a bit of advice about recording income within yearly accounts.  I am not sure if we are making things more difficult than they need to be so just want to check how everyone records there income before sending to the accountant.  Our accountant needs this information recorded on an excel spreadsheet however as payments are received in different ways (e.g. cash, cheque and on line payment) this seems to take ages splitting it out and tying it back to the bank statements as proof of paying in.  We use round tracker for job scheduling and therefore work from serapate worksheets each day which is what we run the income records from.  Round tracker does have method of recording payment but this seems even more complicated.  Thanks

 ???
KISS and tell your accountant that too! :)
what comes in get logged (doesn't matter how it's paid by)
what goes out get logged (doesn't matter how it's paid)
keeping your bookeeping up to date each week helps though.

Proof of paying in? that is what your bank statements are for. Then if you run a cash account you just add that on top and that's your gross income. simples :)

Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: H S and Son on April 20, 2012, 04:33:08 pm
Helen, he's from Andover, be gentle . . . . .
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Helen on April 20, 2012, 05:13:00 pm
Helen, he's from Andover, be gentle . . . . .

I know and I am, just get hacked off at accountants who want to make it difficult, just so they can charge more. :)

Steve good group on at The Danebury on Saturday night, that's if your into ska.
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: H S and Son on April 20, 2012, 05:30:45 pm
Did Mrs Hudson at The Walled Garden today, Helen, well I didnt 'do' her, I cleaned her windows ;0)

Any idea about the big gaff next door to her, did you ever knock there?
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Frankybadboy on April 20, 2012, 07:15:11 pm
Helen, he's from Andover, be gentle . . . . .
we all have are problems in life ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Ian Rochester on April 20, 2012, 07:52:04 pm
Get yourself George, gives you all the info your accountant will ever need in full report format.  £50 to buy and £12 a year to back up......peanuts!
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Paul Coleman on April 20, 2012, 08:04:23 pm
The records I supply to my accountant are the dates I work plus what I turn over on those dates.  Also, records of what I spend on my business, the dates of those expenses, and the receipts to back those expenses up.
In addition, for my own benefit, and for HMRC's benefit if they ever take a look, I keep records of individual jobs done.  This is easy to document on a spreadsheet and print out later.  My accountant is not interested in the level of detail that shows individual addresses etc.  He just wants dates>amounts.  That is sufficient so long as you keep a record of the finer details (for 7 years I think = 6 years plus the one you are currently working).
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Helen on April 20, 2012, 08:07:35 pm
Did Mrs Hudson at The Walled Garden today, Helen, well I didnt 'do' her, I cleaned her windows ;0)

Any idea about the big gaff next door to her, did you ever knock there?

Nice couple, wacth out for te dogs that come on holiday with them, you'll know when they are there as the gate gets blocked off.

Yeah touted the largish (lol) one many a time, but all we found was the gardener at home, who said they spend most of their time abroad!!!!! have to admit the windows were minging last time we saw them. Maybe worth a punt though, cos if you don't ask you don't get! :)
Title: Re: Accounts
Post by: Steve_c on April 20, 2012, 11:31:04 pm
Helen, he's from Andover, be gentle . . . . .
No not from Andover I just live in Andover......... Helen yes I do like SKA, but im in London at QPR V Spurs till late.