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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on April 18, 2012, 09:32:39 pm

Title: Shockwave
Post by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on April 18, 2012, 09:32:39 pm
Can anyone tell me how much powder to mix to make 5liter concentrate for use in hydrosprayer. The label only gives mix quantities for 5 litre ready to use in traditional pump up sprayer.

I know what you gonna say... just mix it 8 times stronger as gets diluted 1-8 with inline hydrosprayer. Well if you look at the powerburst label, that is mixed 1 scoop (15ml) per litre of ready to use, but with inline sprayer it is only 3 scoops (45ml) per litre concentrate. (That is not 8 times stronger)
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Jim_77 on April 18, 2012, 10:02:17 pm
Hi Mick, for your average job use the weakest end of the stated recommended dose and times it by 8.  Does the job brilliantly. (easy numbers to remember: works out at 100g per 1 litre of water in your hydroforce container)

I have tried to mix it up according to the strongest stated dilution but it simply won't go into solution at 8x strength... you end up with loads of sludge at the bottom of the bucket that simply won't dissolve no matter how much time and stirring you give it.

I've managed to get it mixed up a bit stronger when needed though, maybe 150g per litre in the container).  You need to use warm but not too hot water otherwise you'll kill the enzyme; leaving it a while to dissolve works best so requires a bit of advanced planning
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on April 18, 2012, 11:11:58 pm
Thanks for the info Jim. I did not realise it contained enzymes. I usually mix up powerburst 45 scoops as my sprayer is adustable. This lasts me ages, spoke to Prochem and they said it was OK to do that with it.

Do you reckon I will be able to do this with shockwave, or will it be no good because of the enzymes. Does this kind of spray have a short life span once mixed?
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Jim_77 on April 18, 2012, 11:38:30 pm
I would imagine you'd get the best out of it when fresh.  However it isn't completely reliant on the enzymatic action seems as it's <1% enzyme... so unless you've got the grottiest, mankyest indian restaurant to clean then a stock solution several days old would work fine I'd think.

45 scoops, must take all day! Get a bigger scoop!! :D

Seriously though, the smaller the scoop the bigger the room for error when measuring out a lot in one go.  Both shockwave and SPM weigh the same in grams as their volume in ml so you can use a bigger measuring cup.  Saves a lot of time and will be much more accurate.  I've got one of those large 50ml measure scoops too which is handy, just a larger version of the one that comes with powerburst etc..

P.S. When I've used it on mingers I've also add a healthy dose of oxidiser into the mix as well, seems to work very well.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on April 18, 2012, 11:44:25 pm
I like Citra boost. Do you think that Citra boost and Shockwave are compatible? What oxidiser do you add?
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Jamie Pearson on April 19, 2012, 07:26:36 am
Perhaps you won't need the boosters. What do you normally use them with?
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Jim_77 on April 19, 2012, 12:14:40 pm
Currently use chemspec energiser but can't say I've noticed any difference between the several available (in performance terms).

Don't know about the citra boost, never used it and know nothing about it :)
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on April 19, 2012, 03:41:31 pm
Well first day using Shockwave and ... well it is good stuff. As a Powerbust user I can honestly say I think that Shockwave gives a better resulr and found it easier to rinse out. I find it left far less spots that if using powerburst.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: brianbarber on April 20, 2012, 05:06:18 pm
Who sells shockwave?

And jim, what's the SP with adding oxidising agent? And what oxidising agent you use?

Thanks in advance

Mr B
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Tony Gill Carpet Smart on April 20, 2012, 05:39:24 pm
Let me think Jim uses it mmmmmm WOC  ;D
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Jim_77 on April 21, 2012, 12:50:23 am
Solution sell it Brian.  And although there is no official indication as to whether or not it can/should be used in conjunction with an oxidiser, I have only done so a couple of times and that was on the most horrendous carpets ever.  My view is that, on its own, it is more than capable on 99% of jobs you'd encounter.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Simon Gerrard on April 21, 2012, 08:08:02 am
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1334992060_DSCN0390.jpg)
This is what Shockwave can do. During this job we were switching from SW to PB to check for any differences, there  wasn't.

Also shows what a Sapphire Scientific tool can do even in extreme circumstances.

Simon
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Russ Chadd on April 21, 2012, 01:52:46 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1334992060_DSCN0390.jpg)
This is what Shockwave can do. During this job we were switching from SW to PB to check for any differences, there  wasn't.

Also shows what a Sapphire Scientific tool can do even in extreme circumstances.

Simon

Nice work Simon! would you like to expand on your method? tell us the prep work involved and the type of surface you are cleaning?

Very impressive!

Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Simon Gerrard on April 21, 2012, 03:44:47 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1335019476_DSCN0446.jpg)
Hi Russ,
Impressive indeed and very rewarding to be able to do.
These are some car ferries we every year in France. The client had tried a number of cleaners but none could get the desired result and it was either a case of finding someone that could do it or replace the entire restaurant area upholtsery, at a cost of £60K. :'(
Each unit is pre-spray with Shockwave in advance of the guy doing the cleaning. It is then re-spray just prior to cleaning and hand scrubbed. This picture let's you see the sheer volume of soil.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Simon Gerrard on April 21, 2012, 03:48:52 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1335019687_pre-spray.JPG)
It is then extracted with a Sapphire Scientific tool being fed by a Titan 875 at 230 degrees  
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Simon Gerrard on April 21, 2012, 03:54:09 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1335020042_Upholstery 2.jpg)

The base unit is then re-spray, re-scrubbed and extracted in order to make sure we've obtained the best possible result and to ensure an even colour match with the less dirty seat back.
This picture was taken on a different ship (there are three of them) but the soil conditions were exactly the same. The carpet had also be cleaned with Shockwave at this stage.

Simon
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Russ Chadd on April 21, 2012, 08:37:08 pm
Wow thats a serious set up you have Simon! great results by the way mate!

Here is something i shot a few weeks back using Shockwave...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bc9jLPxXL8&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bc9jLPxXL8&hd=1)
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Fintan_Coll on April 21, 2012, 09:23:27 pm
Very impressed, Simon. Wish I could get a really grimy job like that to put Shockwave through it's paces as I seem to be only cleaning ''clean'' items at the moment.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Simon Gerrard on April 21, 2012, 09:46:30 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1335040949_Aurora1.jpg)

Fintan,
You don't need extreme circumstances like that to put Shockwave, or any other chemical through its paces. This is a job we did at sea on a cruise ship with portable machines. This in a 24 hour restaurant that gets some serious use but the fabric is never allowed to get as dirty but do get quite stained and on vibrant colour fabrics it is going to be a challenge to any system to get them looking good. This was the first time we'd use SW and the end result was perfection.

Simon
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Simon Gerrard on April 21, 2012, 09:49:19 pm
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1335041275_Aurora.jpg)

At the other end of the spectrum a different problem, light coloured fabric, very heavy use and yet needs to be made to look good in some very tight maintenance windows.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on April 21, 2012, 10:25:17 pm
Simon,

I would like to come with you on one of these ship/ Ferry cleans. I am considering having a go at these but would like to see you and your crew in action and pick up some usefull tips and advise along the way. I offer my labour and machine/s in return and may I add this is no way an intention of nicking your work.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Fintan_Coll on April 21, 2012, 10:28:43 pm
Perfection without a doubt, Simon.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Simon Gerrard on April 21, 2012, 10:41:32 pm
Mick,
Sorry, too many secrets to protect ;)

Simon
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Completeclean on April 21, 2012, 11:05:22 pm
Very impressive Simon,i take my hat off to you sir.

  Desi
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: brianbarber on April 23, 2012, 09:31:48 pm
Can this be used to any good effect on draught marks?


Mr B
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on April 24, 2012, 08:12:28 pm
I have only just started using this product and the first thing I noticed was it lifts more spots and the second thing was it works well on draughtmarks.
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: neil 47 on April 24, 2012, 10:08:39 pm
Mick you took that well, Simon telling you to f*** off lol  ;D
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: COLIN BRIGHT on May 02, 2012, 04:04:07 pm
IS SHOCKWAVE THE SAME AS BIO-BLAST?
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Jim_77 on May 03, 2012, 12:08:54 am
YEAH I THINK SO!!
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: The Carpet Cleaning Pro on May 03, 2012, 12:23:21 am
Mick you took that well, Simon telling you to f*** off lol  ;D

I only asked, and when asking a question you should be prepared to accept the answer. He gave his answer and I accept it. Can't see what the problem is really, but never mind. ;)
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: COLIN BRIGHT on May 03, 2012, 04:33:00 pm
thanks jim... them big bold letters are much easier to read... i think it should be an industry standard..... ;D
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: COLIN BRIGHT on May 03, 2012, 04:52:32 pm
so i thought id give the bio blast ( shockwave) a go tommorow on a suite so how much should i use in a 1 -1/2 litre pump up spray and how longer dwell time do you guys leave?
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Jim_77 on May 03, 2012, 05:44:28 pm
My pleasure Colin ;D

I'd put about 30g in, see how it goes.  agitate immediately leave it 15 mins or so should be good to go
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: COLIN BRIGHT on May 03, 2012, 08:03:38 pm
Thanks, look forward to seeing the results
Title: Re: Shockwave
Post by: Paul Moss on May 03, 2012, 08:11:26 pm
I could do a better job with a Prochem 150 psi porty, does any body know of one for sale  ;)