Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: charles911 on April 16, 2012, 08:29:14 pm
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Thinking about getting a crf eco 500 just for commercial jobs..
Its light for getting on and off the van and i like the 'concept' of the recycled water but I wondered If anyone had more experience with working with one vs that of other light in weight portys like a ninja or maybe a tripple vac like a jag??
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I think the jag is twin vac
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sorry yes it is, am i thinking of the other one... scorpion? Point being on paper its poweful is'nt it! With commercial i dont want to be at risk of whickback so more water lift the better. Its just the idea of the amount of time saved between re-fills does 'so far' appeal. Its a silly thing really but I love the way the cfr looks and really puts me off thee cross america ones. maybe if cfr did a tripple vac.. lol
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Since switching to wonder wand I have never had a problem with wick back on commercials.
Using that and an eco500 at full pressure will give you a really nice set up. Especially with the air watts motors fitted.
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I think these have the same vac motors as the Jag and the Storm perhaps Jamie can confirm this only trouble is as far as I can see is that they still have a 1.5" vac port.
Shaun
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I have been using a cfr 500 for 2 years now some days i love it some days i dont
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Have a bath tonight, leave the water in, then heat it up tomorrow and have a bath in it again. Then see if you still like recycled water :)
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Have a bath tonight, leave the water in, then heat it up tomorrow and have a bath in it again. Then see if you still like recycled water :)
No Jim you would have to take the bath, recycle the water through 4 different stages. continuous flow recycling, and you dont leave the machine full overnight you empty at the end of shift
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cheers mate will do! wonder how effective the 4 stage filter is? could also try puttin bath water through it after footy...if it filters that well enough, i'll buy one :)
cleantec - why do u luv it some days and some days not?
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I would think that it is OK on domestic jobs where things are no too bad.
On commercials I get water out of the machine that comes out in one lump, it is that thick it does not even splash, and is black and smelly. Even if the the crud is filtered much of the rest will be put back on the carpet.
If you are using microsplitters a much better buy would be a Jaguar with auto fill and dump.
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Yes - I know what you mean! I think its a shame really... Even if on most commercial jobs, you dont see anyone the odd time when you do - if your unloading as people are leaving do you really want to be seen with a 'cheap looking' (i said looking) machine. What about a couple of ninja's?? ;D
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cheers mate will do! wonder how effective the 4 stage filter is? could also try puttin bath water through it after footy...if it filters that well enough, i'll buy one :)
cleantec - why do u luv it some days and some days not
I dont think it would be for you charles you could end up extracting and re deposting all kinds of things even carpet pests.
I love the cfr on large areas of low pile synthetics, loop piles and needle punch, upholstery and stairs due to the cfr combo tool. Hate is an over statement but its a bit annoying when i have to fill it up to do one set of stairs or a single room. If you are using a detergent rinse it is very wasteful but on a large area it is the complete opposite to that.
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I think these have the same vac motors as the Jag and the Storm perhaps Jamie can confirm this only trouble is as far as I can see is that they still have a 1.5" vac port.
Shaun
Correct. All machines will eventually have them fitted. Eco500 is the first CFR/PowrFlite model in UK available with them.
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I thought the hand tool worked like the saphire or that other 1 (4gotthe name) Point being - If i rule out domestic which i have anyway as its just for commercial as its light (lighter) Its not the most powerful on air flow or water lift (or murcury) however the wand may make up for that a little? The recycled water is a really great concept but atm its never going to be 'as good as' constant clean water is it! It has a good heater so i read but thats not really a selling point for me.
Its a shame you cant test these things. I know you can lease hire at worldofclean but not sure what the ins and out r?
Dont even know if ashbys do leaseing, but if they did I would be very tempted!! or have i missed somthing?
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I can offer leasing of equipment.
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For the eco 500 I would use an additional inline waste filter for it, such as the lint hog (ebay for £100) as the CFR filter can block up very quickly and reduce suction. I had a few troubles with my eco early on but id imagine most of them have been solved with the later versions.
Even though it does recycle the water remember only a very thin film if left ontop the carpet which evaporates eventually. I've done very dirty restaurants without refilling and the last portion cleaned looked no worse than the first portion cleaned, put some nice smelly acidic rinse in the tank and there's no real issues.
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The only issue I would have with using the cfr would be if I had to clean up urine and bacteria from the carpet etc. It would then be in the water and deposited into another area of unaffected carpet as it is recycled. I know that they supply an anti bacterial solution to help combat this, but you may be cleaning a carpet unaware of the problems within it.
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When you empty your portable and the water is black and stinking remember you have only at best removed 80% of the water so you have left the other 20% in the carpet.
This 20% is the same black and sticking water you have in your bucket. So before you talk about leaving recycled water in the carpet remember this recycled water in a lot cleaner than the water left by all other portables.
And it there is no reason that you cannot change the cfr water half way through the clean.....then you will leave the carpet with less contaminants that a normal portable
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Mike maybe it's me, but that does not actually make sense, because the cfr will be leaving the same 20% plus the recycled %. Plus it will contaminate the not so dirty area's. I had a cfr and found it to be a very efficient cleaning machine, however to refill and clean the filters halfway through a job was quite time consuming. The cfr filters particles out of the water not germs.
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Thats a very good point! Whats the deal with this super wand? How does it make up for the less cfm? I really is a shame, love the hand tool but its not the only one is it and its also the more exspensive!
Spoke to a guy who i met at ncca and he's thinking about leasing some ninja's but he's got every machine you could think of and is a ltd company - am not!
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At least with my system the 20% left in the carpet is clean water mixed with the crud in the carpet not dirty water mixed with with crud. :)
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:P
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You could say as the cfr is rinsing with 500psi it is flushing more of the crap out to start with, but the piont I was trying to make to get away from the idea that a normal portable does not leave dirty water in the carpet. Like I said its leaving 20% of what's in your bucket
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How you you try and get rid of that 20%?
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"How you you try and get rid of that 20%?"
Post bonnet cleaning will help, but your aim is a clean carpet and a satisfied customer. After you have cleaned a carpet take a white towel and wipe over the pile. It's a good indicator of how well you have done.
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It would be a good machine for upholstery with a bit of heat.
Mark
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you you? wtf? I mean how would u.. sorry
Think your right, it would be good for upholstery & i think would look better turning up with one over a smaller spotting machine..
so......... wanted, x1 ninja and crf eco 500 ;D
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I like the thought of the recycling but in practice i cant see it being a useful feature which would benefit you the user.
I love my jag and wouldn't be without it!
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How you you try and get rid of that 20%?
Use encapsulating products.
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Hi Jamie. I take it you mean after the carpet has dried out.
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No as the rinse/cleaner.
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No as the rinse/cleaner.
How did you get on with Releasit, Jamie?
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He let it go ;D
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No as the rinse/cleaner.
How did you get on with Releasit, Jamie?
Very well. Testing so far has given good results. We have a contract that we only do twice a year coming off in a week or so which will be the ultimate test for it. We can get good results with the current encap product that we use and this site is a minger. Lots of engineers in and out with oily/muddy boots and spillages everywhere.
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No as the rinse/cleaner.
Most of our CFR Eco500 customers run Chemspec Liquid High Heat.
Anything left in the carpet is taken care of by the encap polymers.