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Title: which 4040
Post by: john classic on March 26, 2012, 06:16:49 pm
hi fellas
 im retiring my trusty old merlin soon and upgrading to a 40 40 ,  ill most likley buy it from gaps  , advice  please  they have about 6 different  ones . ie types of main filter
size of pre filters 10  or 20 inch etc
  can you give me some feedbck on 
                      tds of finished water ... do i still need a di
                      what % waste
                      amount of finished water  per hour
      and any other info would be appreciated
                           regards     john
Title: Re: which 4040
Post by: Cliff perkins on March 26, 2012, 06:50:18 pm
Il keep an eye on this 2
Title: Re: which 4040
Post by: Halfadaylee on March 26, 2012, 07:17:19 pm
hi fellas
 im retiring my trusty old merlin soon and upgrading to a 40 40 ,  ill most likley buy it from gaps  , advice  please  they have about 6 different  ones . ie types of main filter
size of pre filters 10  or 20 inch etc
  can you give me some feedbck on 
                      tds of finished water ... do i still need a di
                      what % waste
                      amount of finished water  per hour
      and any other info would be appreciated
                           regards     john


Ro man 100 gpd will suit you and your little aston prefabs, mate
Title: Re: which 4040
Post by: Paul Coleman on March 26, 2012, 07:59:55 pm
hi fellas
 im retiring my trusty old merlin soon and upgrading to a 40 40 ,  ill most likley buy it from gaps  , advice  please  they have about 6 different  ones . ie types of main filter
size of pre filters 10  or 20 inch etc
  can you give me some feedbck on 
                      tds of finished water ... do i still need a di
                      what % waste
                      amount of finished water  per hour
      and any other info would be appreciated
                           regards     john

Too many variables for an accurate answer.
June at Gaps is a very good advisor.  She will sell you the right stuff for your individual needs even if it means taking less money from you.
However, if you want a 4040, you would probably be well advised to get an HF5.  Apparently they work better at lower water pressures.  So the HF5 covers more varieties in water pressure.  This is probably a good idea at the moment particularly if you are in a drought area because the water companies tend to drop the pressure in droughts - to reduce the negative effects of leaks.
As for pre-filters, I prefer the 20" ones.  They cost more than 10" ones (as do their housings) but you only need to change them half as often.
As for waste pure ratio, it's better if it's adjustable and I set mine at around 50/50.  I turn the waste up full twice a week for 15-20 minutes to flush the system.  Apparently this lengthens membrane life.
Production:  Many variables here.  Depends on water pressure, mains quality, time of year (temperature), what ratio you use for the waste/pure, age of pre-filters.
To give you some idea, when the membranes and pre-filters were new I got the following:- Setting waste/pure was 50/50.  Water pressure 35-40PSI. Normal spring temperature.  This gave me about 100 litres per hour of pure at 007 TDS.  Much better than this is possible with decent pressure.  As the pre-filters age and the temperature cooled in winter, it became more like 015 TDS at 50 litres per hour of pure.  So circumstances can make a hugs difference.  Production seems to rise when pre-filters are changed.  Also, production decreases a bit as membranes age.
BTW.  I would recommend using resin just in case.  At the moment, water pressures are liable to drop in many areas meaning that TDS out of the RO should increase.
BTW.  Forgot to mention.  Tap TDS is about 200 on my supply.
Title: Re: which 4040
Post by: Frankybadboy on March 26, 2012, 08:09:31 pm
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Title: Re: which 4040
Post by: Ambient Services on March 26, 2012, 09:47:01 pm
Hf5 will block up in low water pressure high tds areas. Hf4 will last longer in these situations
Title: Re: which 4040
Post by: dd on March 27, 2012, 04:55:45 pm
If you are a 1 man band and it is for a static system IMO a Ro-man 300gpd unit (with triple membrane) or similar is the best.
Title: Re: which 4040
Post by: Paul Coleman on March 27, 2012, 05:24:29 pm
Hf5 will block up in low water pressure high tds areas. Hf4 will last longer in these situations

Interesting answer.  When you say high TDS area, what sort of number have you in mind?  I seem to have been OK at 200ish for about 18 months so I imagine you may be thinking of 400+ TDS areas like Essex and Cambridgeshire?