Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: LWC Ltd on March 15, 2012, 05:59:40 pm
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Some things to think about......
Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day
If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.
Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?
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It's a shocking waste of water - I blame the health and safety guys.
I wonder if the rich have pangs of guilt when they fill their swimming pools up or top their koi carp ponds?
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I think adjusting the waste on your ro so there will be less waste even though it will be to the detriment of TDS would help a little, also flow controllers and taps on poles make a big difference. We have a 650L tank, 2 users, 2 flow controllers, and we use aqua dapters, we never run out in a day, it amazes me how much water some actually use!
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My opinion is,
If the water companys were nationalised, and all our water bills went back into investment into the infrastucture, mending, replacing pipes, new reserviors etc,
Also being able to transfer large amounts of water from areas with abundant amounts of water to those who dont.
We get enough rain in this country, but most of it goes down the drain.
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I use to average 9 x 25 litre barrels a day.
Since Fan jets use 7 x 25 barrels a day. So 225 litres to 175 litres.
Will get an aqua-dapter soon see if i can shave a bit of that.
I don't like using loads of water and do feel guilty if i think the floor looks too wet at custies house.
If they could invent a hover board and i could float up to the windows i'd still do trad :D
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I think adjusting the waste on your ro so there will be less waste even though it will be to the detriment of TDS would help a little, also flow controllers and taps on poles make a big difference. We have a 650L tank, 2 users, 2 flow controllers, and we use aqua dapters, we never run out in a day, it amazes me how much water some actually use!
same here, me and wife, same setup as lee above, and I rarely use above 350 litres on a full day wfp'ing everything.
also decreased waste in RO to conserve abit.
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I use what I need to use but I don't waste it in the same way I do not like to waste food, money, my time, etc, etc.
I class those that run our utilities along with investment bankers and the like - they're thieves and jackals and they don't give one hoot about society. All that matter is that the cash keeps rolling in.
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Most of the water we consume from the mains supply goes back into the water treatment process. ;)
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Fresh water is a finite resource
no it isnt.
It gets recirculated and has done for thousands of years.
Its pretty much infinate.
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If the water companies looked ahead and build more storage dams we would never have a problem this is not a dry country. But these companies will find it a time to up prices.We should only pay for the service of water as all water belong to the people of the U K. This country is so small we should be able to pump water across the country.Its just bad planning and big profits.All utilities, trains transport, insurance and basic food should be under strict state control to stop the exploitation of people.
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If the water companies looked ahead and build more storage dams we would never have a problem this is not a dry country. But these companies will find it a time to up prices.We should only pay for the service of water as all water belong to the people of the U K. This country is so small we should be able to pump water across the country.Its just bad planning and big profits.All utilities, trains transport, insurance and basic foote should be under strict state control to stop the exploitation of people.
:o ok stalin! ;D
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Some things to think about......
Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day
If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.
Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?
What about all the breweries around the country, and other drinks companies?
Water is vital to their business, and it's vital for us if we are WFP - No difference in my mind!
Andy
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Some things to think about......
Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day
If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.
Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?
What about all the breweries around the country, and other drinks companies?
Water is vital to their business, and it's vital for us if we are WFP - No difference in my mind!
Andy
this is exactly what i have been saying.
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I clicked 'I couldn't care less' but I also do what I can to save water - but only to the extent that I need to make sure I do not run out during the day and using less water will ultimately save DI resin in the long run (although that is probably neglible in the long run).
As has been said before, there has been no major investment in the infrastructure for many years- the short sighted removal of profits to feed shareholders can only last a certain time before the cracks begin to show; unfortunately, those cracks are then highlighted and Joe Public suffers with hose pipe bans and increased water rates.
For F***s sake we live on an island surrounded by water - a few desalination plants would help surely! We have a high level of rainfall that is not captured effectively. Rocket science it ain't!
The only aim a corporation has is to make money; period. They care little about the service they provide and even less about the end user.
So like I said, I don't really care any more than they care about us.
Profit is King.
(walks silently back to garage to put soapbox away again)
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Most of the water we consume from the mains supply goes back into the water treatment process. ;)
Thats right, they get it back but they might not see it that way
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Some things to think about...... Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain. Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?
What about all the breweries around the country, and other drinks companies? Water is vital to their business, and it's vital for us if we are WFP - No difference in my mind! Andy
The breweries are probably classed as food production. Anyway, they pay for their water on commercial tarriffs
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I've decided to stop cleaning conservatory roofs, using wfp and jet washing patio's & drives.
Then I can demonstrate that I have reduced our water useage - and they would stop us from working
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im with cleancare on this one .if they can pipe gas around country ,the water companies can build bigger dams in wales n scotland .n pipe it to areas which need it .the dams that ar suppling us with water now were built in the stoneage for the small population at that time .the rain we have in wales n scotland we should be drought free .
i have just started charging custies n xtra 50 pence to water their plants
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The figures quoted in the OP are IMO way out of the ordinary. I checked my R.O.s production rate yesterday and it was
43% production/57% waste.
Ive no idea where 25% production/75% waste comes from.
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No drought or hosepipe ban due here in Bristol - our forebears had the wisdom (like Birmingham) to put money into Wales and build dams over there and divert water to the Severn so that as it goes past Sharpness (about 20 miles North of Bristol) it is drawn off into the canal and feeds Bristol.
We also have reservoirs in Cheddar and Chew Valley to the South and do pretty well out of it all.
But as Nick Wareham said it is an infinite source and just gets treated. And my RO waste needs little treatment - helps dilute all the soapy stuff from washing clothes (and scrims and applicators from tradders ;D ) and dishes and ourselves. Makes it easier to process.
It ain't oil - where it runs out and becomes more difficult to obtain.
Having said that I don't just chuck it away on the same basis as Rosskesava said.
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And my RO waste needs little treatment - helps dilute all the soapy stuff from washing clothes (and scrims and applicators from tradders ;D ) and dishes and ourselves. Makes it easier to process.
;D ;D ;D
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Some things to think about......
Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day
If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.
Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?
re-cycle the waste water through a second 200 gpd ro unit re-cycle the waste from the second ro unit into a 3rd unit using low pressure membranes and how much waste water do i have PER 1000 LTRS waste water dosnt and shouldnt mean waste by going back down a drain the waste can go into a extra 1000ltr ibc tank and be used for washing cars IN A BUCKET , water is all around us shame the water companys dont use there heads and reCLAIM SOME OF THIS WASTE WATER BACK .
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The figures quoted in the OP are IMO way out of the ordinary. I checked my R.O.s production rate yesterday and it was
43% production/57% waste.
Ive no idea where 25% production/75% waste comes from.
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i thought the same... starting to wonder if im set up correctly
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Some things to think about......
Some window cleaners have had water boards come round looking for leaks because of the amount of water used to fill up a 1000L tank every day
If you use an RO set up then to fill up your 1000L tank your looking at actually consuming around 4000L plus of water with 3000L of drinking water going down the drain.
Fresh water is a finite resource - should we be bothered about how much water we use?
re-cycle the waste water through a second 200 gpd ro unit re-cycle the waste from the
second ro unit into a 3rd unit using low pressure membranes and how much waste water do i have PER 1000 LTRS waste water dosnt and shouldnt mean waste by going back down a drain the waste can go into a extra 1000ltr ibc tank and be used for washing cars IN A BUCKET , water is all around us shame the water companys dont use there heads and reCLAIM SOME OF THIS WASTE WATER BACK .
You cannot just keep adding R O as you will reach point when all the waste will come out with no pure as the water will become saturated with impurities. Also you cannot wash cars as it will leave heavy water marks and if that drays you will battle to get them off. No one is stopping using it on the garden but it will kill the plant eventual as impurities of heavy metals build up in the soil.
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Also you cannot wash cars as it will leave heavy water marks and if that drays you will battle to get them off. No one is stopping using it on the garden but it will kill the plant eventual as impurities of heavy metals build up in the soil.
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Really? I hadnt realised this.ive reused this water, and it no worse than some areas i have live in with what comes out of the tap (which for us is around 120-180). Ive not seen any problems with grass or flowers dieing in past 2 years, and when i had the set up at home, it felt better watering the garden with it as opposed to going down the drain, tho i suppose going down the drain means it gets to water board quicker for re use!! :-[
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The figures quoted in the OP are IMO way out of the ordinary. I checked my R.O.s production rate yesterday and it was
43% production/57% waste.
Ive no idea where 25% production/75% waste comes from.
What system are you using?
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Bulk standard PureFreedom 300 GPD.
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I dont use wfp on ground floor dont see the point unless your a new boy and not up to speed on trad
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I dont use wfp on ground floor dont see the point unless your a new boy and not up to speed on trad
I'm as quick as the next bloke trad, helped by being 6 foot 1 tall, but it's way quicker for me to wfp the lot. while your there with your brush it takes seconds to clean a ground floor window.
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I dont use wfp on ground floor dont see the point unless your a new boy and not up to speed on trad
mmmm sorry qucker just using wfp
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We pay for what we use , its the water companies problem to make sure we dont run out
They could always charge more if they have nothing to invest!
They don't look after it properly
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So you dont allow drip time then from top windows trading for 11 xears wfp 5 years
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The point is how we can save water and the best way must be to trad ground floor or maybe some of us are to lazy to do our bit.
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So you dont allow drip time then from top windows trading for 11 xears wfp 5 years
Hi ascs2002 welcome to posting on the forum - perhaps you might look at your methods? If you do (on a semi say) the upper fronts that are above lower windows first then the other uppers above say extensions and porches then the bottoms are not getting any appreciable drips from above by the time you get back to them.
If you work this sensibly - say uppers on front and side then bottoms front and side then upper backs above windows then upper backs above walls, conny's or extensions then lowers you don't have to wait for drips stopping.
Indeed if I were to trad bottoms I'd be more nervous about the odd drip from above.
Just read your last post prior to my posting this - don't forget you came in to this thread posting about new boys not tradding because theey were not up to speed - it lessens your argument to bring in the "saving water" bit after that.
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So you dont allow drip time then from top windows trading for 11 xears wfp 5 years
Hi ascs2002 welcome to posting on the forum - perhaps you might look at your methods? If you do (on a semi say) the upper fronts that are above lower windows first then the other uppers above say extensions and porches then the bottoms are not getting any appreciable grips from above by the time you get back to them.
If you work this sensibly - say uppers on front and side then bottoms front and side then upper backs above windows then upper backs above walls, conny's or extensions then lowers you don't have to wait for drips stopping.
Indeed if I were to trad bottoms I'd be more nervous about the odd drip from above.
Just read your last post prior to my posting this - don't forget you came in to this thread posting about new boys not tradding because theey were not up to speed - it lessens your argument to bring in the "saving water" bit after that.
i do the same just ups wfp downs trad just use about 100 to 200 liters aday and that is with rian water going thorw my di never had to use tap water i live in sunny wales 8)
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dose any one get that you do ground floor wfp so the customer can see the haw well you clean l wfp 4 to 6 houses in a row thn go back and trad the ground floor may be l am lucky to have a round which becomes dence whenever l move to ne road etc happy customers recomend . And yes we all know what windows to do first and last
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dose any one get that you do ground floor wfp so the customer can see the haw well you clean l wfp 4 to 6 houses in a row thn go back and trad the ground floor may be l am lucky to have a round which becomes dence whenever l move to ne road etc happy customers recomend . And yes we all know what windows to do first and last
Sorry I don't understand your post.
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I say no more . So doing trad on ground floor wilnot save waterLOL
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In short, my moral for drought orders are as follows
1 fe ck em
2 fook em
3 I dont give a flying toss
4 Do i feel guilty? (let you boys answer that)