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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: david willis on March 14, 2012, 08:10:31 am
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If you were able to attend some window cleaning training workshops, what would be the main topics that would make you think......that is worth attending?
We are looking more at the residential/light commercial market
Ideally the workshops would be 100% funded, if you could only access say 50% funding, what would be a reasonable price you would attend the workshop......remember you would only be attending because you have thought, that sounds worth it!
We are asking these questions to get ready for our next contract of funded training and would like to get some good feedback/opinions from you guys, as you are our market place!
I hope you can find time to give a few suggestions and I thank you in advance
David
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If you were able to attend some window cleaning training workshops, what would be the main topics that would make you think......that is worth attending?
We are looking more at the residential/light commercial market
Ideally the workshops would be 100% funded, if you could only access say 50% funding, what would be a reasonable price you would attend the workshop......remember you would only be attending because you have thought, that sounds worth it!
We are asking these questions to get ready for our next contract of funded training and would like to get some good feedback/opinions from you guys, as you are our market place!
I hope you can find time to give a few suggestions and I thank you in advance
David
Hi
I want to get some courses done this year the courses i would like to do are
Window cleaning nvq or city guilds
Health and saftey
Marketing
For residential & light commercial what about a window cleaning for beginners -
Health & Saftey, marketing using the tools ect ???
Regards Paul
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marketing,business planning,etc part of this type of course could also include health and safety
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ask richywilts iam sure he like a bit of help.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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ask richywilts iam sure he like a bit of help.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
mmmeeeeooowwww
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Three for me
Getting commercial clients
Work at height
Some kind of general business running/planning
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It is beyond belief,imo,that the government are funding courses for wc's.
People are losing their jobs and homes because of government cutbacks and yet your business is thriving on providing needless courses,again my opinion,funded by taxpayers money.....
I know you are a businessman,i mean you obviously make money somehow from these funded workshops otherwise you wouldn't be in business,but i think that in times like we are living in at the moment courses and funding like this should be the first to go....
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It is beyond belief,imo,that the government are funding courses for wc's.
People are losing their jobs and homes because of government cutbacks and yet your business is thriving on providing needless courses,again my opinion,funded by taxpayers money.....
I know you are a businessman,i mean you obviously make money somehow from these funded workshops otherwise you wouldn't be in business,but i think that in times like we are living in at the moment courses and funding like this should be the first to go....
How do you know its government funded?........... I would like to see some sort off gutter vac training.
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It is beyond belief,imo,that the government are funding courses for wc's.
People are losing their jobs and homes because of government cutbacks and yet your business is thriving on providing needless courses,again my opinion,funded by taxpayers money.....
I know you are a businessman,i mean you obviously make money somehow from these funded workshops otherwise you wouldn't be in business,but i think that in times like we are living in at the moment courses and funding like this should be the first to go....
How do you know its government funded?........... I would like to see some sort off gutter vac training.
Sorry i presumed it was,but then i could be wrong.......am i????
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If proper training saves lives i think its worthwhile.
Well done mr willis
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big ladder(eg 4 metre triple) handling & use / customer service workshop
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I want a course were Richie Wilts is a guest speaker on business strategy and how to dodge disaster ;D ;D ;D.
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Because low employment, people try their hand at being self employed, they stop claiming benefits if they make some money and then the government taxes them....I think :)
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N.Ireland an option yet?
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What say us window cleaners be a shining example to the rest of the country and pay for any training we want ourselves? Perhaps the money could be spent on the latest cancer drug to be available on the NHS or perhaps our lads in Afganistan might benefit from some decent kit. Or let's use the governments training budget on people who count like firemen, nurses & paramedics. Or we could just look after number 1 set up a training company to provide training to people who don't really need it at the taxpayers expense? Just a few idle thoughts :)
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What say us window cleaners be a shining example to the rest of the country and pay for any training we want ourselves? Perhaps the money could be spent on the latest cancer drug to be available on the NHS or perhaps our lads in Afganistan might benefit from some decent kit. Or let's use the governments training budget on people who count like firemen, nurses & paramedics. Or we could just look after number 1 set up a training company to provide training to people who don't really need it at the taxpayers expense? Just a few idle thoughts :)
I thought i was on my own there for a minute.... ;D
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What say us window cleaners be a shining example to the rest of the country and pay for any training we want ourselves? Perhaps the money could be spent on the latest cancer drug to be available on the NHS or perhaps our lads in Afganistan might benefit from some decent kit. Or let's use the governments training budget on people who count like firemen, nurses & paramedics. Or we could just look after number 1 set up a training company to provide training to people who don't really need it at the taxpayers expense? Just a few idle thoughts :)
I thought i was on my own there for a minute.... ;D
iam with you to ;D
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thats three people that need not of posted on this topic then as it helps no one.
These training courses help people and could help save someone life from being educated in health and safety and correct use of equipment, just because you guy do not want to do them does not in anyway make you right.
The funding thats available is for this very thing and is not for our troops nor for cancer treatments. if we all thought like you then we would all be in trouble.
have you walked into the nice newly fitted charity shops lately ? we all pay and donate to that. you know the tax we pay that goes to our troops well a % anyway, it is sadly a mismanaged business and there seems a lot of waste going into making charity shops look nice (thats a business too).
These guys are trying to help the industry, so what if they made a business from it fair play to them. Have you ever met them ? you would find them some of the nicest guys about and there trying to help others be better educated.
I for one am glad they do these funded courses and I hope they continue to grow these.
I think courses that would help Window cleaners would be a "how to" business management/development course and a Marketing Course for both light commercial and domestic but that are seperated., then a seperate one for larger commercial and tenders.
Ian
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^^^^^^^^ second that ^^^^^^^^
how much does it cost the NHS because of idiots that cant use a ladder properly and fall off
how much does it cost insurances comapanys because people dont have the common sense for correct H&S
a lot more then this training. even if you only learn 1 thing out of this " POINTLESS " training then its done its job.
If your company looks more professional with trained staff in all areas you will have better chances of getting the bigger contracts thos expanding and employeeing more people.
as my mother always said if you havnt got something nice to say shut the fu*K up :D
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^^^^^^^^ second that ^^^^^^^^
how much does it cost the NHS because of idiots that cant use a ladder properly and fall off
how much does it cost insurances comapanys because people dont have the common sense for correct H&S
a lot more then this training. even if you only learn 1 thing out of this " POINTLESS " training then its done its job.
If your company looks more professional with trained staff in all areas you will have better chances of getting the bigger contracts thos expanding and employeeing more people.
as my mother always said if you havnt got something nice to say shut the fu*K up :D
that was going so well till you quoted your mother :o :o :o ;D
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^^^^^^^^ second that ^^^^^^^^
how much does it cost the NHS because of idiots that cant use a ladder properly and fall off
how much does it cost insurances comapanys because people dont have the common sense for correct H&S
a lot more then this training. even if you only learn 1 thing out of this " POINTLESS " training then its done its job.
If your company looks more professional with trained staff in all areas you will have better chances of getting the bigger contracts thos expanding and employeeing more people.
as my mother always said if you havnt got something nice to say shut the fu*K up :D
that was going so well till you quoted your mother :o :o :o ;D
you get the point tho ian,
im sick of people slating things and never actually done, got or had it.
How can you comment ?>??
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^^^^^^^^ second that ^^^^^^^^
how much does it cost the NHS because of idiots that cant use a ladder properly and fall off
how much does it cost insurances comapanys because people dont have the common sense for correct H&S
a lot more then this training. even if you only learn 1 thing out of this " POINTLESS " training then its done its job.
If your company looks more professional with trained staff in all areas you will have better chances of getting the bigger contracts thos expanding and employeeing more people.
as my mother always said if you havnt got something nice to say shut the fu*K up :D
that was going so well till you quoted your mother :o :o :o ;D
you get the point tho ian,
im sick of people slating things and never actually done, got or had it.
How can you comment ?>??
Your mother is obviously as obnoxious as you are,you must be very proud of her foul mouth....
This is an open forum where everyone can openly state their views,if it doesn't coincide with yours well that is fine,but people still and allways will have the right to express their likes or dislikes of anything that they have views on.
IMO training schemes that are backed by taxpayers funds that are not of great necessity are in times like we are witnessing now a waste of money,sorry you dont agree with that statement,but others do.....
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What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?
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I would just like to intervene in this interesting post - and ask members to post politely. We can disagree with other member's opinions - yet still remain agreeable.
Let's not spoil a good post.
And I'd like some marketing courses aimed at the sole trader/partnership end of the window cleaning scale. :D
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What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?
IMO the QCF courses are designed not only to point out all aspects of the health and safety that all window cleaners should know and be implementing this is to cover themselves and also the people around them.
They also offer hands on experience in way of training for the use and safe handling of ladders, also for wfp safe handling and use and a host of other things
I know for a fact they are always adding to these courses to give better value to the people on them.
there is a wide range of courses available hopefully David or Andrew could post what ones they do for everyone to see.
I use this to my advantage as it shows to people that I take what I do seriously.
if people don't want to take something that will in the end help them, then thats their choice.
I know many guys that have this and are happy at that fact.
I think they personally should have a degree in this so I can have letters after my name ;D jokes aside these course will only long term help our industry, really we should be thanking Andrew and David.
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What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?
I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.
So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.
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ive nothing against these courses funded or non funded, for me though actual courses
on window cleaning itself is a bit of a irrelevance really until window cleaning is
liscensed or its a legal requirement to take these courses to be a window cleaner.
lets face it anyone can get ladders squeegees and a bucket and register as self
employed and crack on.
i clean domestic property only, knocking doors and leafleting work well for me its
not rocket science really,but maybe for guy who wants to expand into the comercial
market and expand employing etc i imagine courses on business management and
strategy tax law and management of employees specifically aimed at window cleaners
could be useful
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companys selling pole systems should make it clear when selling they should point out the dangers of touching overhead cables, and what effects different cables have,
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youve got to be really mentally challenged if you need some one to tell you to
stay away from overhead cables ;D
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Some hands-on cherry picker training would be helpful - though I imagine that might be outside the scope of the "residential/light commercial market".
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but DW everyone pays taxes so it's not like it cost tax payers anymore or less so your just hating on these guys running the course by the sounds of it. What are you gonna save by pulling funding for this training and using it on the price of fuel? A penny a litre per person? So you'll save 50p everytime you fill up. Stop hating and trying to save the world man and smile ;D
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I don't think DW is hating, yes this particular course won't make any noticeable difference to the taxpayer. However if we look at the bigger picture there are companies running courses that are government funded in all industries that could be paid for by private enterprise this will make a significant difference to the taxpayer. If these WC courses eeally are the bees knees you lot will pay for them anyway you won't need the taxpayer to hold your hand.
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As for saving the NHS money by being trained how to set a ladder, if you can't put a ladder up against a wall and using common sense work out if its safe or not then you really should look at a different line of work. Let's get some perspective on H&S. A previous poster wants to know which overhead cable he can lean his pole against without getting killed, I mean come on!
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but DW everyone pays taxes so it's not like it cost tax payers anymore or less so your just hating on these guys running the course by the sounds of it. What are you gonna save by pulling funding for this training and using it on the price of fuel? A penny a litre per person? So you'll save 50p everytime you fill up. Stop hating and trying to save the world man and smile ;D
I dont think you have grasped what i believe in!!
I would not expect a refund to every taxpayer for money spent on window cleaning courses,surely your common sense is above that reasoning?
I like others believe that funding for any courses that could/should be paid by the individuals concerned or the companies that employ them can be used in other areas that are being deprived of funding due to overall wasteful spending by the government.
If i wanted to take my business forward by having courses/training available i would not see it as unreasonable to be expected to pay for it as a whole,after all it is me that is directly benefitting from such training workshops and therefore i should be burdened with the costs.
Hatred towards those who run these training schemes is a nonsensical argument and something that you probably did not understand you were implying,if you did then that is a very childish remark towards a differing view.
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What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?
I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.
So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.
are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day >:( >:(
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dw why don't you become a politician then and do something about it rather than whining about it on here. All your time spent on here complaining could be used to canvass and take more work on.
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dw why don't you become a politician then and do something about it rather than whining about it on here. All your time spent on here complaining could be used to canvass and take more work on.
A rather bland comeback there mate....however as i have said before i am stating my point of view on an open forum,which when i last looked was allowed,a view i might add that others have as well,so no matter that you dont like to hear my opinions...tough...i have the right to express them in the same manner that you do,the differance being that i dont put you down for having differant views and opinions about this subject.
And for your info,the amount i canvass and amount of work i have and take on is nothing to do with this subject or you for that matter.
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What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?
I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.
So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.
are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day >:( >:(
You have a sad vision of life if you believe that taxation only goes to help this kind of person.
What about the people who through no fault of their own are losing their homes because they cant afford the mortgages after being made redundant,what about the cancer patients who are being denied medication to prolong their lives because the nhs refuse to supply the drugs,what about the schoolkids who are having to leave to find no work available....the list goes on and on and on....but never mind as long as a window cleaner can get a free course via the government then it is ok....what a selfish attitude.....ask some of the aforementioned people if they feel their taxes should go towards funding for courses that are not a necessity....i doubt very much that they will be in total agreement.... ???
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What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?
I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.
So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.
are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day >:( >:(
You have a sad vision of life if you believe that taxation only goes to help this kind of person.
What about the people who through no fault of their own are losing their homes because they cant afford the mortgages after being made redundant,what about the cancer patients who are being denied medication to prolong their lives because the nhs refuse to supply the drugs,what about the schoolkids who are having to leave to find no work available....the list goes on and on and on....but never mind as long as a window cleaner can get a free course via the government then it is ok....what a selfish attitude.....ask some of the aforementioned people if they feel their taxes should go towards funding for courses that are not a necessity....i doubt very much that they will be in total agreement.... ???
YYYYYYawn you are boring me see ya later got to go asnd do a quote for a job ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What are these courses then? And DW why wouldnt you do one if it was free? Don't get that?
I am not against courses of any kind that any individual would want to participate in at THEIR OWN EXPENSE.
What i am against is funding,presumably government backed,when taxpayers are feeling the pinch in their everyday lives.
So dont think for one minute these courses are for free,they are being paid by someone...and guess who that will probably be.
By all means do the courses,as i say they can be beneficial (and to the previous poster who seems somewhat challenged,i had to pay for my courses in powder coating which included health and safety as part of the course...no freebies there for me,i funded that myself...because i wanted to)....but dont jump on those that do not believe that these courses should be free.
are you for real we all pay tax why should we not get some thing back from the goverment makes a change or are you happy for your taxes to go to time wasting arses that can be bother to get a job get drunk and take drugs all day >:( >:(
You have a sad vision of life if you believe that taxation only goes to help this kind of person.
What about the people who through no fault of their own are losing their homes because they cant afford the mortgages after being made redundant,what about the cancer patients who are being denied medication to prolong their lives because the nhs refuse to supply the drugs,what about the schoolkids who are having to leave to find no work available....the list goes on and on and on....but never mind as long as a window cleaner can get a free course via the government then it is ok....what a selfish attitude.....ask some of the aforementioned people if they feel their taxes should go towards funding for courses that are not a necessity....i doubt very much that they will be in total agreement.... ???
i had a very good job got made redundant lost my house's, lost my nice car and motorbike lost everything, started window cleaning to past the time and i got often a few courses for free these window cleaning ones by impact 43 also ones through business link and they helped make my business what it is today.
and these course helps joe bloggs getting in the industry like this and most importantly safley with better knowledge.
i still dont understand how educating people is wasting money.
sure if educating people in turn makes there business better then making more money,
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Couldn't agree more with DW. DMC are you sure you couldn't have got by without Impact 43 training? I think business link courses were good because they offered help to anyone from any industry to start a business. Business Link was non profit too. Can Impact 43 say the same? By the way you'll notice I referred to Business Link in the past tense that's because it no longer exists a victim of government cuts. Who would you rather see our tax go to a private company offering some training to a select few by inventing a few courses to make a profit? Or someone who benefits all at no profit?
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didnt say i couldnt said they helped and that inc the business link ones not just impacts ones.
any training is good no matter who it is from.
i think you guys are forgetting that you can only go fully funded if you have no quilifications prior if not you have to pay for impacts training.
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thats three people that need not of posted on this topic then as it helps no one.
These training courses help people and could help save someone life from being educated in health and safety and correct use of equipment, just because you guy do not want to do them does not in anyway make you right.
The funding thats available is for this very thing and is not for our troops nor for cancer treatments. if we all thought like you then we would all be in trouble.
have you walked into the nice newly fitted charity shops lately ? we all pay and donate to that. you know the tax we pay that goes to our troops well a % anyway, it is sadly a mismanaged business and there seems a lot of waste going into making charity shops look nice (thats a business too).
These guys are trying to help the industry, so what if they made a business from it fair play to them. Have you ever met them ? you would find them some of the nicest guys about and there trying to help others be better educated.
I for one am glad they do these funded courses and I hope they continue to grow these.
I think courses that would help Window cleaners would be a "how to" business management/development course and a Marketing Course for both light commercial and domestic but that are seperated., then a seperate one for larger commercial and tenders.
Ian
all the above is a load of bollox
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Well said lol ;D
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thats three people that need not of posted on this topic then as it helps no one.
These training courses help people and could help save someone life from being educated in health and safety and correct use of equipment, just because you guy do not want to do them does not in anyway make you right.
The funding thats available is for this very thing and is not for our troops nor for cancer treatments. if we all thought like you then we would all be in trouble.
have you walked into the nice newly fitted charity shops lately ? we all pay and donate to that. you know the tax we pay that goes to our troops well a % anyway, it is sadly a mismanaged business and there seems a lot of waste going into making charity shops look nice (thats a business too).
These guys are trying to help the industry, so what if they made a business from it fair play to them. Have you ever met them ? you would find them some of the nicest guys about and there trying to help others be better educated.
I for one am glad they do these funded courses and I hope they continue to grow these.
I think courses that would help Window cleaners would be a "how to" business management/development course and a Marketing Course for both light commercial and domestic but that are seperated., then a seperate one for larger commercial and tenders.
Ian
all the above is a load of bollox
Thats up to you really i don't mind what you think fella.
The simple fact you either want to go on these courses or not, no one is forced.
If you don't see the value in them the I guess you would think that I am not attempt g to try to ch age your mind there are plenty of people that agree with me ;)
Have an awesome day :)
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Am I right in thinking you still can't get a training course in the use of a proper window cleaner's ladder (double splay-footed point)
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good evening.
is there anything in the pipeline aimed at apprenticeships.
its something i am looking at and to back it up with a bona fide course / courses would be good for the industry.
cheers david.
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a course that dealt with filling in tender applications, they now seem to require more information than ever and it would be good to know i was delivering the information as professionally as the big companies do, i was also reading in a cleaning magazine about safety training and a card called passport to safety i think something similar to this could be a good idea where different aspects of training are put on one document and can be added to without going over the same material on each course