Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: steve rix on February 27, 2012, 01:40:18 pm
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As above. Certainly round here most are still trad, is it the same everywhere?
I know with wfp there is more kit involved and the potential for more problems needing advice ergo more wfp posts. Or is it the constant slagging off that puts people off of coming on here? It seems to have got a lot worse lately, not just wfp/trad but any subject that gets posted gets a fair amount of flak.
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never used a forum when I was trad, no need it is simple enough ;)
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slagging off and percieved elliteism from wfp lot ;)
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Just about all of us will use trad; I use trad still fairly frequently; on inside cleans, shops where it's less kerfuffle than getting a hose out when pedestrians are walking about.
Trad topics are still popular when the idiots don't start being clever and saying 'get a pole'.
There's probably quite a few window cleaners about who went straight into WFP and struggle to use a squeegy, which is fine, until they have to use one because they've no other option.
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There'll be plenty of 'new' trad cleaners if the water companies get their way!! Veteran WFP cleaners suddenly having to use a squeegee - then you die hard trad blokes will have the last laugh!!
Tip to all WFP only in the drought areas: START PRACTISING NOW ;D
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Although I've gleaned a lot of useful information and hints etc on here and regularly read posts, I always think that there's a definate them (WFP) and us (Trad) mentality. I'm trad and age will no doubt see me continuing that way as any large outlay wouldn't be worth it as I may retire soon.
It seems that because WFP is more technical with more problems and breakdowns some seem to believe that they are in some way superior handling expensive equipment rather that simple water, squeegee and blades.
Just my opinion.
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I started and went straight WF but feel it does not harm to know both. Was not up to scratch on my trad but have been learning myself for the last couple of months here and there and feel a bit more confident now but still not fully confident with my trad work. Feel it is to my own advantage to be spot on with both bin asked to do a few internals recently and had to put them off for a while so gonna practise my arse off for the next few months so I never have the same problem again. Also if I had a problem with my system I could could change over to trad instead of loosing a days work.
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There'll be plenty of 'new' trad cleaners if the water companies get their way!! Veteran WFP cleaners suddenly having to use a squeegee - then you die hard trad blokes will have the last laugh!!
Tip to all WFP only in the drought areas: START PRACTISING NOW ;D
There will be plenty of wfp systems and vans on the market.I personally know of three blokes who only clean wfp who wouldn't have a clue how to run a round using traditional methods.They would see it as hard work and would sell up straight away,so anyone with an ounce of sense will learn the differant methods involved with wc as you never know you may need to do more than splash a bit of water at some windows one day..... ;D ;D ;D
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Most trad cleaners will spend their spare time down the pub drinking their money, or down the post office drawing their benefits, or repairing their knackered old mondeo.
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couple of weeks at most to get up to speed with basic squeegeeing
its hardly rocket science...thats why the doleys do it!
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There are none here now, they were driven out with the snakes by st patrick ;D
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No dislike of wfp or trad is just our judgemental English ways have to look down at someone. ;D ;D ;D
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Most trad cleaners will spend their spare time down the pub drinking their money, or down the post office drawing their benefits, or repairing their knackered old mondeo.
Ooohhhh, that'll get the cat amongst the pigeons!! :'(
I dont look down on trad, im a strong convert to wfp, but its a skill to be able to do both, well (even if i say so myself!!)
Definite health risks traiditional, but so is there with wfp with unsafe vehicles, the way we drive our vans/cars, the way we live our lives......... Any comments i make on here are either in jest, or in an honest attempt to help someone else...
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Most trad cleaners will spend their spare time down the pub drinking their money, or down the post office drawing their benefits, or repairing their knackered old mondeo.
Ooohhhh, that'll get the cat amongst the pigeons!! :'(
I dont look down on trad, im a strong convert to wfp, but its a skill to be able to do both, well (even if i say so myself!!)
Definite health risks traiditional, but so is there with wfp with unsafe vehicles, the way we drive our vans/cars, the way we live our lives......... Any comments i make on here are either in jest, or in an honest attempt to help someone else...
me too. i have no problem with trad but i have a problem,well dont understand how you can run a PROPER WINDOW CLEANING service without being able to trad? see other thread
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Im trad. Who's gonna have a pop at me then??!
Employ 1
Pay public/ employers insurance
...im still a cowboy tho am I??????
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...im still a cowboy tho am I??????
YEP!
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...im still a cowboy tho am I??????
YEP!
yep defp ;D
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I am a dyed in the wool tradder. It used to grate with me how some feel they have to put down those of us who run our businesses using old school techniques.
Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
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The highest I go with my shops is 10ft so it's a waste of time switching to WFP. However If I had domestic and high business stuff I would have made the investment and changed over.
Horses for courses IMO.
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;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2k1iRD2f-c&feature=related
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Although the safety aspect is a big issue it isn't big enough in the eyes of the majority to promote the change
I reckon for me the strongest desire for wanting to change was the fact that ladder work is knackering
And thus with wfp i can consistently hit targets without the same fatigue
I enjoy trad work though and get to do alot of it on shops and easy houses , i still do it where it makes no sense changing over , ie where there are loads of gates to climb and houses where access is an issue for vehicles etc
Ps theres LOADS of trad cleaners round where i work but wfp is quickly becoming just as numerous
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
what a load of bollox you talk
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Steve were all trad once on here.
If you have any questions just ask i'm sure someone will give you an answer.
I will if i can ;)
I hope Ian Lancasters wrong for once, i don't think i'm up to ladder work :-[
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I'm trad,and proud of it.
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Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
I think there is a view on this forum that tends to dominate which is that wfp does a better job in every circumstance and that if someone cleans windows trad style, then there is something wrong with them. As proved by the posting above:
The bloke who that comment was aimed for says he's happy cleaning trad style so if he's happy doing it that way why make a comment which is a disguised put down? How many threads about trad become 'wfp is better and anyone who cleans trad is an idiot and will fall off their ladder and die' threads?
There's also this thing about cleaning 500 houses a day and earning £1000's a day and all that. Most of which is clearly BS. Some are genuine but sometimes.........
Combine it all together and is it any wonder that trad cleaners don't post much or don't bother with the forum?
I've always been in favour of two separate sections for wfp and trad.
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Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
I think there is a view on this forum that tends to dominate which is that wfp does a better job in every circumstance and that if someone cleans windows trad style, then there is something wrong with them. As proved by the posting above:
The bloke who that comment was aimed for says he's happy cleaning trad style so if he's happy doing it that way why make a comment which is a disguised put down? How many threads about trad become 'wfp is better and anyone who cleans trad is an idiot and will fall off their ladder and die' threads?
There's also this thing about cleaning 500 houses a day and earning £1000's a day and all that. Most of which is clearly BS. Some are genuine but sometimes.........
Combine it all together and is it any wonder that trad cleaners don't post much or don't bother with the forum?
I've always been in favour of two separate sections for wfp and trad.
I think that people have been taking me seriously :o whoops 8)
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COME ON, WE'VE ALL HAD I NICE DRINK....LEAVE IT!
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
;D
John
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I think that people have been taking me seriously :o whoops 8)
Oops. Sorry - I did think you were being serious. :-[
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Most trad cleaners will spend their spare time down the pub drinking their money, or down the post office drawing their benefits, or repairing their knackered old mondeo.
cheers lee,you got me sussed ;D
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Most trad cleaners will spend their spare time down the pub drinking their money, or down the post office drawing their benefits, or repairing their knackered old mondeo.
cheers lee,you got me sussed ;D
:D
I wasn't knocking them, I'm jealous of them ;D
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i do trad i prefer it but earn more wfp enough said
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i do wfp on some shops and later in the day i will go back to do the insides and sometimes i will trad the outsides cause im disappointed in some of the windows that i cleaned with wfp. i know some will say you not cleaning them right with wfp but believe me i give them a good clean ... some other window cleaners say i spend to much time and water on them. i just like them to be clean so generally i think you get better results trad although i agree that they dont stay clean as long but thats good for wc i guess
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To run a professional business you don't have to be just Wfp or just trad, you have to use both.
It's horses for course and that's a fact trad can't go three stories, can't go above conservatives, so the windows are left and ladders are banned from construction sites and a lot of businesses won't allow ladders.
Wfp can't do insides and better to shop fronts trad.
At the end of the day we are window cleaners and to be a safe and professional company you select the correct equiptment to do the right job, so be it if it's a squeegee, ladder or Wfp,
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Most trad cleaners will spend their spare time down the pub drinking their money, or down the post office drawing their benefits, or repairing their knackered old mondeo.
Its the Astra and Corsa round here!!! ;D
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To run a professional business you don't have to be just Wfp or just trad, you have to use both.
It's horses for course and that's a fact trad can't go three stories, can't go above conservatives, so the windows are left and ladders are banned from construction sites and a lot of businesses won't allow ladders.
Wfp can't do insides and better to shop fronts trad.
At the end of the day we are window cleaners and to be a safe and professional company you select the correct equiptment to do the right job, so be it if it's a squeegee, ladder or Wfp,
what he said ^^^
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To run a professional business you don't have to be just Wfp or just trad, you have to use both.
It's horses for course and that's a fact trad can't go three stories,
3 stories here every week on ladders and plenty like me im sure
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There'll be plenty of 'new' trad cleaners if the water companies get their way!! Veteran WFP cleaners suddenly having to use a squeegee - then you die hard trad blokes will have the last laugh!!
Tip to all WFP only in the drought areas: START PRACTISING NOW ;D
My very thoughts recently as well.
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if you cant trad your not a window cleaner. :o :o if your going wfp from the start learn to trad before you do. ive seen it here many many times people saying ive been asked to do the insides of a shop pub ect but ive never used a blade & app before ???
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To run a professional business you don't have to be just Wfp or just trad, you have to use both.
It's horses for course and that's a fact trad can't go three stories,
3 stories here every week on ladders and plenty like me im sure
this proves the point about picking at things, this was only one example, im sure if you put a best practise in, with duty of care you wouldnt be using ladders to three stories.
im sure ladders to 20ft isnt the safest thing in the world its a long drop.
does your insurance company know that you go three stories on ladders. mine ask percentage of ladder - wfp and height limits are in place
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never for get where you come from
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To run a professional business you don't have to be just Wfp or just trad, you have to use both.
It's horses for course and that's a fact trad can't go three stories,
3 stories here every week on ladders and plenty like me im sure
this proves the point about picking at things, this was only one example, im sure if you put a best practise in, with duty of care you wouldnt be using ladders to three stories.
im sure ladders to 20ft isnt the safest thing in the world its a long drop.
does your insurance company know that you go three stories on ladders. mine ask percentage of ladder - wfp and height limits are in place
my ladder insurance is for any height,i asked about it and had it confirmed.however im only insured for a cherry picker working at under 3 metres in height .
by coincidence yesterday i happened to be in a supply shop to get a squeegee channel and the staff were parcelling up a big ladder ,ready to mail it out to somebody . they were wrapping it in cardboard plus shrink wrap , just an observation i made
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I just go out in the morning with the intention of returning with some money. I have found that if I clean their windows people are much more inclined to give me their money, but I'm not a window cleaner, oh no!. I see my job as collecting in the money, the window cleaning is just an inconvenient task I have to perform first.
My old dad used to say "If you want to find the easiest way of doing a job, give it to the lazyest bloke"
which is basically why when WFP came along I saw the advantages of it.
I'm still working on trying to find a way of collecting the money without cleaning the windows but its proving difficult. Until I do its WFP for me
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I just go out in the morning with the intention of returning with some money. I have found that if I clean their windows people are much more inclined to give me their money, but I'm not a window cleaner, oh no!. I see my job as collecting in the money, the window cleaning is just an inconvenient task I have to perform first.
My old dad used to say "If you want to find the easiest way of doing a job, give it to the lazyest bloke"
which is basically why when WFP came along I saw the advantages of it.
I'm still working on trying to find a way of collecting the money without cleaning the windows but its proving difficult. Until I do its WFP for me
Top Post Vince ...
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I just go out in the morning with the intention of returning with some money. I have found that if I clean their windows people are much more inclined to give me their money, but I'm not a window cleaner, oh no!. I see my job as collecting in the money, the window cleaning is just an inconvenient task I have to perform first.
My old dad used to say "If you want to find the easiest way of doing a job, give it to the lazyest bloke"
which is basically why when WFP came along I saw the advantages of it.
I'm still working on trying to find a way of collecting the money without cleaning the windows but its proving difficult. Until I do its WFP for me
That's it in a nutshell. Brilliant posting.
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Most trad cleaners will spend their spare time down the pub drinking their money, or down the post office drawing their benefits, or repairing their knackered old mondeo.
Don't drink. Am nowhere near a post office and don't drive a mondeo
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me.
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
Well put
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
what a load of bollox you talk
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I'm trad. Loads of custys. Earn well what I want to earn. I'm. Happy. Worth noteing .When you go in gardens do you all notice that nearly everyone owns a ladder.
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
i havent been on this forum long but i hope someone pours salt in ur water tank....
its ppl like u who shud never join forums.
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
i havent been on this forum long but i hope someone pours salt in ur water tank....
its ppl like u who shud never join forums.
You need to be on the forum a bit longer then to appreciate the tongue in cheek humour ;)
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Now it just makes me smile. Ladderwork keeps me fit, maintenance is virtually nil, and moreover I am happy with the way my business is progressing, so if anyone looks down on me, it doesn't bother me. :P
John
Don't worry, you will eventually want to improve your station in life and make your business a professional trade and you will soon realise you can only do that with WFP!
i havent been on this forum long but i hope someone pours salt in ur water tank....
its ppl like u who shud never join forums.
You need to be on the forum a bit longer then to appreciate the tongue in cheek humour ;)
your taking a bit of a kicking lately arent you my cyber buddy ;D spurs mate..not good :'(
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You are right dan, I yhink the wheels are falling off, be lucky to finish 3rd now
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I just go out in the morning with the intention of returning with some money. I have found that if I clean their windows people are much more inclined to give me their money, but I'm not a window cleaner, oh no!. I see my job as collecting in the money, the window cleaning is just an inconvenient task I have to perform first.
My old dad used to say "If you want to find the easiest way of doing a job, give it to the lazyest bloke"
which is basically why when WFP came along I saw the advantages of it.
I'm still working on trying to find a way of collecting the money without cleaning the windows but its proving difficult. Until I do its WFP for me
Good post.
Reminds me of the Henery Ford story.
A man goes for an interview and the boss asks him "What do we make here?"
"cars" came the reply
"Wrong, we make money and dont forget it"