Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: james roffey on February 19, 2012, 11:24:37 am
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A few months back i had a house to clean, in a teenagers bedroom that i did it was covered in bluetac and various over sticky deposits :-X if it had just been one or two i would have got on my hands and knees with the Ridagum or citrus gel, i decided to clean it first but use the Magma inline heater.
I put hot water in the tank and extracted at 300psi with 50ft of hose and using the Magma on its highest heat setting, the force of the heat .and the psi was enough to remove the bluetac with the wand, a few days later i was discussing this with another local carpet cleaner running a Prochem truckmount, and he said that the heat i was using was probably greater than he would be able to generate using the truckmount, to be honest i was very surprised, surely truckmounts can easily produce this type of heat when required.
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Has anyone used a dedicated "steam cleaner" to remove gum and bluetac?
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Has anyone used a dedicated "steam cleaner" to remove gum and bluetac?
Yes, at a school... We soon resorted back to the BBQ lighter gel method..... :-X
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So how did you find it Colin?
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Has anyone used a dedicated "steam cleaner" to remove gum and bluetac?
Yes, at a school... We soon resorted back to the BBQ lighter gel method..... :-X
Have you guys gone mad on cleantalk ....
Discussing quadvacs ! ....
Fixing your waste tanks with shrimp nets and tea strainers ...
Ed V won't like all this .... :-\
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Back to topic. I have recently been using a Ashbys V2 steam mate with my TM as my heat exchange has been bypassed awaiting repair.
No way does it produce the heat of the TM heat exchange, it just couldn't keep up, I'd get good heat after putting the wand down for a few mins, then it would go Luke warm. But this was at 350 psi, on a 100 psi portable maybe it could keep up better.
Btw I just gave away my steam mate to Ashbys, sent it to them for repairs then hand a list as long as my arm of things wrong with it, costing £480 had to tell them to keep it as I have only sold it on for 200. Not worth the £20 posting it back to me.
I have heard the magna is not so relieible either.
All in all they seem temperamental little things, I wouldn't buy one again.
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Has anyone used a dedicated "steam cleaner" to remove gum and bluetac?
Yes, at a school... We soon resorted back to the BBQ lighter gel method..... :-X
Have you guys gone mad on cleantalk ....
Discussing quadvacs ! ....
Fixing your waste tanks with shrimp nets and tea strainers ...
Ed V won't like all this .... :-\
I don't want to sound like a broken record, but until you reveal your identity, I point blank refuse to talk to you about the matter.... ;)
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Colin, I believe you have a Magna Heater what results do you acheive.
Craig re Steammate , what was wrong with it price seams high compared to a new one . sounds like a complete rebuild and only thing worth keeping was case.
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Mine's the Mytee Hot and it's a great bit of kit, the water gets very hot. I'll be using it tomorrow on one job if my tap connector doesn't allow me to plumb the Zeta in.
I would highly recommend it if you are a slave to heat (like me). You just need to change your wand technique, ie, 4 wet passes then dry pass thoroughly to allow the ILH to "catch up" ,before doing another 4 wet passes...
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Ian, well it just sprung a leak, so I sent it to them and they said loads of others things needed doing, I think that's just Ashbys for you, someone told me they gave them a Ninja to service and the bill came too £1,000 ooch!
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Has anyone used a dedicated "steam cleaner" to remove gum and bluetac?
Yes, at a school... We soon resorted back to the BBQ lighter gel method..... :-X
Have you guys gone mad on cleantalk ....
Discussing quadvacs ! ....
Fixing your waste tanks with shrimp nets and tea strainers ...
Ed V won't like all this .... :-\
Ed is a person who encourages ideas, in fact everyone who is involved in the development of the Jag would welcome any input as long as it is constructive and benefits everyone.
Any idea no matter how silly it may sound to some people can evolve into solutions...
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Has anyone used a dedicated "steam cleaner" to remove gum and bluetac?
Yes, at a school... We soon resorted back to the BBQ lighter gel method..... :-X
Have you guys gone mad on cleantalk ....
Discussing quadvacs ! ....
Fixing your waste tanks with shrimp nets and tea strainers ...
Ed V won't like all this .... :-\
Ed is a person who encourages ideas, in fact everyone who is involved in the development of the Jag would welcome any input as long as it is constructive and benefits everyone.
Any idea no matter how silly it may sound to some people can evolve into solutions...
Yes , i wasn't dissing your efforts to improve the pumpout filtration system , i think thats worth pursuing .
As far as Ed V encouraging ideas , anytime iv read of someone suggesting improvements , alterations to the waste tank , e.g no gap between gate and bottom , hes defended it as being part of a two stage filtration system ... to me its just a fundamental flaw .
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John, what's that got to do with inline heaters?
Please start a new topic and don't hijack this one.
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John, what's that got to do with inline heaters?
Please start a new topic and don't hijack this one.
Yes , Apologies , back to the inlines :)
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Colin
That Mytee looks good did you go direct to states or source in UK
Guess it depends how longer wet pass you can get before the two dry passes , just watched a Mytee demo on You Tube and its a postage stamp size carpet.
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mad inline from the states !!
http://www.steam-brite.com/volcano-9000-watt-tankless-electric-water-heater-p-3562.html
and they need twice the cords per unit compared to us !
as far as the ashbys reliability , at 3000w i'd say it contains three 1000w cores so if one goes bad it just trips the whole lot as they are on the same switch ...
at least the mytee seems to have a switch for each core so perhaps less prone to total failure ?
also mytee seem to have a 3600w version in the states ...
this one looks like the best value per watt on uk sites
http://www.amtechuk.co.uk/shop/3_KW_Inline_Heat_Exchanger-pid-181.html
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Colin
That Mytee looks good did you go direct to states or source in UK
Guess it depends how longer wet pass you can get before the two dry passes , just watched a Mytee demo on You Tube and its a postage stamp size carpet.
It was 2nd hand, used about a handful of times... I couldn't believe how tiny it was, in fact I was disappointed for some daft reason.... ;D
But it is a belter. I suppose they are all much of a sameness really, but don't quote me on that....
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Is it this Mytee?
http://wcsuk.com/acatalog/Mytee_2400W_Inline_Heater.html
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Mytee do 2 HX's the one Dennis has found and a smaller one I'm guessing the larger one either gets hotter or stays hotter for longer.
Lot of money though the 110v in the US is $395
Shaun
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I've got the magma but only use it for those jobs that require severe heat.
The best results I have got from it have been when the water going in is already heated to 50 degrees if want to keep a half decent flow of hot water at the wand.
At this time of the year it would never cope with water going in at well below 10 degrees if you want 80 at the other end, well not unless you want to do 4 wet strokes and 40 dry ones.
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These are the ones available from mytee ...
in the middle a 230v , dont know if it would work out cheaper to import with shipping/tax
You could also build a nice 4000w inline from two of the 2000w twin cores in the link if you are DIY minded , pop two into a flight case perhaps ...
http://www.steam-brite.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=mytee+heater
I picture the core as being like the bar of an electric heater , with a copper pipe coil wrapped around it ... the more cores you have the further the distance the water travels through the heated copper pipe , so longer distance = maintaining the temp at a greater flow/ pressure .
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John
At present I am off sick so if you would like to send me plans on how to build it I would be grateful as it would give me something to do.
On second thoughts my HSO will not aprove
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John
At present I am off sick so if you would like to send me plans on how to build it I would be grateful as it would give me something to do.
On second thoughts my HSO will not aprove
Sorry to hear your not well , not sure if following my electrical plans would be conducive to a full recovery ;D
I'm thinking more assembly than building cores from scratch or anything like that ...
So , i would be making it up as i go along but using one or two of these cores ( two for 4000w )
http://www.steam-brite.com/mytee-2000-watt-volts-internal-heater-carpet-cleaning-machines-international-only-p-10408.html
I would start by finding a suitable container ... perhaps this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Marshall-TSL100-Amp-Head-Swan-Flight-Case-hex-/170636273262?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Rack_Cases_MJ&hash=item27bab6e66e
So , you would fix the two cores to the inside of the box .
Mount toggle switches on the side ( either one for each pair .... or one for each core , ie four in total .
fix two cable glands to the box ( just one if using 2000w ) two if 4000w
wire your on/off switches to the cores , fix the power cords to the glands and attach to the on/off switches ,wire up the cores , fix the earth to body of the box also if metal ...
fix a male connector to one side of the box and a female to the other
run internal high pressure hoses from connector to in and out holes on each core , and to the out connector .
run water through ... plug in ... and stand back :)
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I find the Magma very useful, i was just curious as to whether it can come close to what a truckmount can achieve, you do have to do a couple of dry passes to allow the heater to reach temperature but i dont find it slows me down using it, it actually allows me to use a lower psi and still get a good result.
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i will take a guess ...
a 3000w inline can get as hot as a TM ... but because the heat exchanger coil in a TM is very long , it can maintain heat at high flow rates ... the inline can only do very hot for a short period unless the flow rate is very low.
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The guy who said his TM didn't get that hot... introduce him to the concept of descaler ;)
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So how did you find it Colin?
Erm...Crap! ;D
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I find the Magma very useful, i was just curious as to whether it can come close to what a truckmount can achieve, you do have to do a couple of dry passes to allow the heater to reach temperature but i dont find it slows me down using it, it actually allows me to use a lower psi and still get a good result.
If it does slow me down, it's not by much. I just feel that I have to think more about what I'm doing, which isn't such a bad thing.
ILH's are worth forking out for IMO, I certainly draw the line at making my own with a shoe box and a bit of sticky tape, just to save a few pennies..... ;D