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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: PurefectWindowCleaning on February 16, 2012, 04:49:33 pm
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As some of you are aware, im in 2 minds as to whether to get a second van on the go, and employ another person.
I have found a 2nd lad that im happy with taking on, someone that I know can window clean, and who i know i can trust.
My idea is to have my current employee and the new one in one van and myself in the other, untill I then build up enough to warrent a 3rd employee.
The only thing im a bit worried about is that the van their in, will only be making the same amount of money as what their wages are for that day. So, after you take into consideration insurances, van repairs etc... is it really worth it?
(I am currently increasing my prices before anyone suggests that)
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Id thought about that to and surely theres not much profit in it at the end of the day,id also like to know how all the larger companys make it pay.?
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Id thought about that to and surely theres not much profit in it at the end of the day,id also like to know how all the larger companys make it pay.?
If you had LOADS of commercial building/ blocks of flats etc then yes the profit will be more so you will make more money.
Im only residential so cant make as much money as 'the bigger firms'
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Id thought about that to and surely theres not much profit in it at the end of the day,id also like to know how all the larger companys make it pay.?
i dont think they do make money, there are a lot of companies up in the north, and all the turf wars are, who has the most vans, not who is making the money, with vat, 40 tax, nat insurance, employees liability insurance and it just keeps going on and on, we had 18 window cleaners working for us, and would agree, more money was made with my dad and 1 employer. who still works for us today, started at 14, and hes 71 now
Some of the stupidly low prices big firms are charging, they wont even cover costs
, you can earn more money on domestics imo
idealrob
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There is a few large firms in London that make very little if any profit, same old story they do not charge enough to cover the overheads.
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I would be making the same amount as what id be paying out in wages. Just dont think its enough
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The only thing im a bit worried about is that the van their in, will only be making the same amount of money as what their wages are for that day. So, after you take into consideration insurances, van repairs etc... is it really worth it?
How much are their wages ???
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your right its not worth it. you need to make some major changes to your business before it is worth it. one of my 2 man vans did £640.00 today (£550 is an average day) and they each got paid £90.00
being busy and making money are not the same thing.
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The only thing im a bit worried about is that the van their in, will only be making the same amount of money as what their wages are for that day. So, after you take into consideration insurances, van repairs etc... is it really worth it?
How much are their wages ???
£50 a day per person. So the van will make £200 - £250 a day
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£50 a day wont keep them loyal trust me on that. you know what they say about paying peanuts. ;)
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£50 a day wont keep them loyal trust me on that. you know what they say about paying peanuts. ;)
You dont know them or their situations. You cant make that judgement
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The only thing im a bit worried about is that the van their in, will only be making the same amount of money as what their wages are for that day. So, after you take into consideration insurances, van repairs etc... is it really worth it?
How much are their wages ???
£50 a day per person. So the van will make £200 - £250 a day
Surely you will pay the driver a bit extra given the extra responsibility he will have?
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The only thing im a bit worried about is that the van their in, will only be making the same amount of money as what their wages are for that day. So, after you take into consideration insurances, van repairs etc... is it really worth it?
How much are their wages ???
£50 a day per person. So the van will make £200 - £250 a day
Think you may have to have a rethink about things :)
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The only thing im a bit worried about is that the van their in, will only be making the same amount of money as what their wages are for that day. So, after you take into consideration insurances, van repairs etc... is it really worth it?
How much are their wages ???
£50 a day per person. So the van will make £200 - £250 a day
Think you may have to have a rethink about things :)
Do please explain Helen?
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Hi Lee,
550 is an average day for two men? I know you price well but would love to know how you achieve those figures? Whats the average job value and how many houses do you expect them to clean a day. Dont want you to divulge your secrets but would be really interesting to know....
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Hi Lee,
550 is an average day for two men? I know you price well but would love to know how you achieve those figures? Whats the average job value and how many houses do you expect them to clean a day. Dont want you to divulge your secrets but would be really interesting to know....
For once I agree with you George...
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Hi Lee,
550 is an average day for two men? I know you price well but would love to know how you achieve those figures? Whats the average job value and how many houses do you expect them to clean a day. Dont want you to divulge your secrets but would be really interesting to know....
I don't know much about commercial work, but if the majority of their work was on a 12 weekly rota I can see how that could be achieved between 9 and 5, well planned and working hard.
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Lee is domestic...
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I reckon your 2 man van should doing about £400 a day mate unless your prices are a bit low?
When I worked for a local guy, his work was a little underpriced but I was still averaging over £200 a day on me Todd! :)
There's no way I'd consider taking on two guys If they could only earn that between them chap
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Hi Lee,
550 is an average day for two men? I know you price well but would love to know how you achieve those figures? Whats the average job value and how many houses do you expect them to clean a day. Dont want you to divulge your secrets but would be really interesting to know....
He most probably charge £25-£30 per house, then two men only have to do 20-25 house and they reached the target. Don’t forget Lee lives in south and these kind of charges are normal in south, specially near London or Gatwick.
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I reckon your 2 man van should doing about £400 a day mate unless your prices are a bit low?
When I worked for a local guy, his work was a little underpriced but I was still averaging over £200 a day on me Todd! :)
There's no way I'd consider taking on two guys If they could only earn that between them chap
Hi Mark. My prices are quite low, I am in the process of increasing them. 95% of my work is domestic, and the prices are competitive in my area.
I think the 2 man van would only be able to achive £200 a day, so after wages id be making £100 on that van a day. (unless i got bigger bette priced work for them)
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I reckon your 2 man van should doing about £400 a day mate unless your prices are a bit low?
When I worked for a local guy, his work was a little underpriced but I was still averaging over £200 a day on me Todd! :)
There's no way I'd consider taking on two guys If they could only earn that between them chap
Hi Mark. My prices are quite low, I am in the process of increasing them. 95% of my work is domestic, and the prices are competitive in my area.
I think the 2 man van would only be able to achive £200 a day, so after wages id be making £100 on that van a day. (unless i got bigger bette priced work for them)
:o :o :o :o
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I reckon your 2 man van should doing about £400 a day mate unless your prices are a bit low?
When I worked for a local guy, his work was a little underpriced but I was still averaging over £200 a day on me Todd! :)
There's no way I'd consider taking on two guys If they could only earn that between them chap
Hi Mark. My prices are quite low, I am in the process of increasing them. 95% of my work is domestic, and the prices are competitive in my area.
I think the 2 man van would only be able to achive £200 a day, so after wages id be making £100 on that van a day. (unless i got bigger bette priced work for them)
The £100 that you make will quickly be swallowed up by overheads and at these figures you have quoted it will actually cost you money to put a second van on the road.
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I reckon your 2 man van should doing about £400 a day mate unless your prices are a bit low?
When I worked for a local guy, his work was a little underpriced but I was still averaging over £200 a day on me Todd! :)
There's no way I'd consider taking on two guys If they could only earn that between them chap
Hi Mark. My prices are quite low, I am in the process of increasing them. 95% of my work is domestic, and the prices are competitive in my area.
I think the 2 man van would only be able to achive £200 a day, so after wages id be making £100 on that van a day. (unless i got bigger bette priced work for them)
The £100 that you make will quickly be swallowed up by overheads and at these figures you have quoted it will actually cost you money to put a second van on the road.
You reckon? So £500 a week after wages, you think that will all be swallowed?
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buy the van first and set yourself a real challenge by making it pay off . you know its do-able
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their are people on this site that make it work with residential work
I would get the van and try it out yourself and learn by your mistakes i don't think the people that do well on here will tell you how to do it i know i wouldn't ;D ;) ;D
If you have a good idea or a winning way of doing things keep it to yourself under lock and key ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Lee,
550 is an average day for two men? I know you price well but would love to know how you achieve those figures? Whats the average job value and how many houses do you expect them to clean a day. Dont want you to divulge your secrets but would be really interesting to know....
He most probably charge £25-£30 per house, then two men only have to do 20-25 house and they reached the target. Don’t forget Lee lives in south and these kind of charges are normal in south, specially near London or Gatwick.
2 guys working off a van can better £500 a day, every day on average £10/house, that's 50 houses a day.
we can do this now. we are still building our round to, so arent doing this every day yet, but we can work at this rate no problem.
we are 100% domestic and not in london
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Do please explain Helen?
"I reckon your 2 man van should doing about £400 a day mate unless your prices are a bit low?
£350 minimum for 2 people over 7 to 7.5 hrs.
When I worked for a local guy, his work was a little underpriced but I was still averaging over £200 a day on me Todd!
There's no way I'd consider taking on two guys If they could only earn that between them chap
Absolutely
Pryors are based in "rich" country, so will be able to get the figures as stated.
Wellington Somerset, you will not be able to achieve that sort of pricing on a regular basis.
James.
By re-think:
Do you have enough work to put out a second van double manned working on £350 minimum per full day?
Would you work for £50 gross per day?
Do you know about employers national insurance payment for staff (that will take some of your profit)
Holiday pay.
the list is endless that you have to consider and I don't think on the figures you have given it is viable. :)
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One man even at an average of 10 per job should be able to do 200, I would aim for 300plus for 2 men.... It all depends on your average price though
You can do 50 houses a day richard? Thats one every 10 mins all day between 9 an 5 without stopping for lunch or even a f*g lol thats some going...
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One man even at an average of 10 per job should be able to do 200, I would aim for 300plus for 2 men.... It all depends on your average price though
You can do 50 houses a day bosh? Thats one every 10 mins all day between 9 an 5 without stopping for lunch or even a f*g lol thats some going...
we work fast but WFP aint hard work really, and a 3 bed semi takes us on average 8 min from getting out van to getting back in all equipment packed up and ready to go
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But you got to travel and do that 50 times a day.... Do you think you could do that every day non stop?
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Im traditional mind people not wfp...
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But tou got to travel and do that 50 times a day.... Do you think you could do that every day non stop?
absolutely we can do it every day. its really not hard work. like i said, we work fast, but its not hard physical work.
we have lunch everyday, and usually finished by 3:30 after a 8am start.
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I would spend the money changing to wfp then making your round spot on, then think about another van down the line....
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So thats one house every 8 mins with a 30 minute lunch break, I would love to see you working cos thats some serious going....
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So thats one house every 8 mins with a 30 minute lunch break, I would love to see you working cos thats some serious going....
you should see what we do to guys we're recruiting!
to be honest, it's one of those things that it's hard to believe until you see it yourself. i had some moments of doubt myself, especially at the start... but yes, it is impressive
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I would spend the money changing to wfp then making your round spot on, then think about another van down the line....
I have a 250 litre system that I dont use. ;D
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I have seen and met alot of window cleaners in my time and never seen any working at that rate all day every day...
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I know a few trad guys james and they swear blind its better and quicker but I just cant see it, trouble is they buy the kit and try it for a day and its not as quick cos takes time to learn how to be quick so they never go back to it. I had two guys come up to me when I was cleaning and ask me how I found it, they both had systems in the van but never used them. I did 1 and a half houses while they did one between them and they still didnt get it was quicker....
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I have seen and met alot of window cleaners in my time and never seen any working at that rate all day every day...
we are a franchise so we have a lot of experience, training & support behind us
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Concept2o?
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Concept2o?
yes :D
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So only one cleans? How many days a month do you do 50 houses at the moment?
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So only one cleans? How many days a month do you do 50 houses at the moment?
yes, one cleaner, one van driver and helper.
only do 2 days a month with £500 plus, but work at the same speed the other days, so for instance did £440 on Tuesday this week and finished at 2:00.
Dont do any days of 50 houses as yet, but would be easier to do 50 £10 houses to be honest as they are so simple to do.
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Well maybe the 20k was well spent then, I have spoken to many cleaners and I just cant see how you clean over 50 houses a day with one pole. Must be magic...
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Well maybe the 20k was well spent then, I have spoken to many cleaners and I just cant see how you clean over 50 houses a day with one pole. Must be magic...
not magic but just well organised and methodical... and hard work.
the only way to possibly imagine it is if you compare it to how businesses like macdonalds or starbucks have managed to systemise their products so that they can serve thousands of clients a day, compared to your local cafe. its the same principle, they just look at every bit of the job, and work to speed it up and improve it. i;m just lucky to be the trainee who gets given the system at the end of it. and by system i mean equipment, but also the method of cleaning etc
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richard do you rinse on or off the glass? and what brush are you using?
thanks
bee
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I get the principle of time saving but I just cant see how you can clean over 50 houses with one pole by half three. Cos no matter how you put it you have still got a tank with water in it and a pump that goes to a hose with a pole on the end. I would like other opinions on this....
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richard do you rinse on or off the glass? and what brush are you using?
thanks
bee
hot water, rinse off the glass, gardiner CLX 22 and gardiner SL sill brush
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I get the principle of time saving but I just cant see how you can clean over 50 houses with one pole by half three. Cos no matter how you put it you have still got a tank with water in it and a pump that goes to a hose with a pole on the end. I would like other opinions on this....
we just move fast and clean just as much as we have to, no more. all houses are cleaned every 4 weeks too which means they re never that dirty
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So much b/s on here it's unbelievable, but if you're all happy talking utter pish to try and boost your egos, that's fine.
Just keep on keeping on :)
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is the hot ok with the sill brush? i used my black sill today but still cant tell if i like it ???
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Can you see someone cleaning a house every 8 mins from 9 till 3 with one pole simon?
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is the hot ok with the sill brush? i used my black sill today but still cant tell if i like it ???
yes we love the sill brush. we use the white (medium) and it's fantastic. and yes we use it with hot water every time. no problems... so far... :o Does look quite flimsy, but to be honest its holding up ok so far
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Including travelling, reeling in, out, posting slips, etc etc...someone's feeding their Internet ego.
In short, no.
Comparing themselves to McDonald's? Wow, some bold claims being made.
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Including travelling, reeling in, out, posting slips, etc etc...someone's feeding their Internet ego.
In short, no.
Comparing themselves to McDonald's? Wow, some bold claims being made.
can i ask what you yourself manage a day?
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Having compact work is the one of the most important things I think a lot of guys spend as much time driving between jobs as they do with the brush on the window. That's why some can't understand how make as much as people say. My dad is 54 and he can still do £200 to £250 easy himself cus he has little or no driving, pulls into a street and he's there all day. Also I think it is a better move to get a bigger lwb van with as big a tank as possible than get second van. 3 plus men working from one van. Less cost more profit.
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I love that one fella has to drive and just help out, not sure what he does but thats hilarious....
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ian and bob off here have seen how fast he is. you can clean fast if you just work, no talking to every custy or cups of tea ;D
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Including travelling, reeling in, out, posting slips, etc etc...someone's feeding their Internet ego.
In short, no.
Comparing themselves to McDonald's? Wow, some bold claims being made.
can i ask what you yourself manage a day?
You can ask all you like, but I certainly wouldn't post figures in here.
You carry on doing what you're doing, and you'll retire before this is posted ;)
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Having compact work is the one of the most important things I think a lot of guys spend as much time driving between jobs as they do with the brush on the window. That's why some can't understand how make as much as people say. My dad is 54 and he can still do £200 to £250 easy himself cus he has little or no driving, pulls into a street and he's there all day. Also I think it is a better move to get a bigger lwb van with as big a tank as possible than get second van. 3 plus men working from one van. Less cost more profit.
Yes but richard is saying they do 500 a day with one pole!!!!
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I love that one fella has to drive and just help out, not sure what he does but thats hilarious....
the truth is, when you're cleaning at this speed the van driver has to move fast too, reeling in and out, posting a slip, moving obstacles, laying out the hose, opening gates, and moving the hose onto the next house so the cleaner can just walk on and not stop cleaning.
but if you want to just ridicule it, then you can carry on working how you are now ;D
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Just for the record I know concept has a very good business and achieves good figures...
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I love that one fella has to drive and just help out, not sure what he does but thats hilarious....
the truth is, when you're cleaning at this speed the van driver has to move fast too, reeling in and out, posting a slip, moving obstacles, laying out the hose, opening gates, and moving the hose onto the next house so the cleaner can just walk on and not stop cleaning.
but if you want to just ridicule it, then you can carry on working how you are now ;D
It gets better...
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Including travelling, reeling in, out, posting slips, etc etc...someone's feeding their Internet ego.
In short, no.
Comparing themselves to McDonald's? Wow, some bold claims being made.
can i ask what you yourself manage a day?
You can ask all you like, but I certainly wouldn't post figures in here.
You carry on doing what you're doing, and you'll retire before this is posted ;)
if you're unwilling to enter the discussion by talking about what figures you think are realistic, then you're not really adding to discussion.
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Just for the record I know concept has a very good business and achieves good figures...
to be frank, their figures clearly aren't that good if he cant envisage what we're doing are they ::)
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Not everyone has paid 20 grand for a frachise so they have to rush around like mad men to make it pay either....
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If you can GENUINELY, and I mean GENUINELY, hit those figures, AS AN AVERAGE, as you say, taking into account front onlys, not today thanks, on domestics, then f*** me, you've just re-invented the wheel, and I would have my ears and eyes and possibly something else open for you to teach me how you do it.
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Not everyone has paid 20 grand for a frachise so they have to rush around like mad men to make it pay either....
that's a different question altogether... and only i;ll be in the position to judge that really... i;m aiming to be a medium sized business in the next 5 years and felt the franchise route was the easiest and least risky route for me to take...
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Do you pay a fee on turnover?
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If you can GENUINELY, and I mean GENUINELY, hit those figures, AS AN AVERAGE, as you say, taking into account front onlys, not today thanks, on domestics, then f*** me, you've just re-invented the wheel, and I would have my ears and eyes and possibly something else open for you to teach me how you do it.
the simple answer is we do and you're quote right, it is very clever the whole business. they've covered almost everything. for instance we don't accept not todays except in unusual situations. people pay by standing order which means they pay if we only clean the front or if they turn us away. we're also careful about the houses we clean, and those we dont clean, and we charge good rates taking into account the problem cleans.
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Do you pay a fee on turnover?
i dont pay any ongoing fees no. i got a good deal. just paid upfront money for the franchise package, but i;m not actually a franchisee strictly speaking.
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So how did you get such a good deal? A franchise is just a frachise surely? You got all the benefits with no ongoing fees? Genius...
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Richard is right it can be done but u missed the point of having a helper.
my point was to the guy that started this thread that a big van with a big tank with the three of them working from it would be from my experience a much better idea than buying another van with all the extra expense that would bring.
Also fantastic returns can be made with the right compact well priced work when some people points this out they get shot down in flames but it's true.
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Is that why there are plenty of Concept2o vans for sale throughout the year?
Standing orders, ok, I hear you, so, your guy turns up to granny smiths, and she decides "not today" you take the standing order credit and don't clean, or you clean anyway as you don't accept that?
If you are choosy about your customers and houses, what are your criteria? Must only pay s/o? Must be non council? Must be next to another one? No cash or cheque payments?!
Really, I'm intrigued.
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So how did you get such a good deal? A franchise is just a frachise surely? You got all the benefits with no ongoing fees? Genius...
i didnt expect the offer and it did make it an easy decision for me yes.
i say its not a franchise as i do not have a franchise agreement in place with them. no fixed territory, no fees etc etc.
they are going for BFA accreditation and need a couple of recent franchisees who've been through their program so that they can use us as case studies. seemed too good to refuse
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Nobody got shot down for suggesting compact work, its the holy grail of window cleaning and is massively important...
So if you on that package how long have you been going richard?
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If you have 20k to spend then u would better to spend that on buying rounds
And get a decent reliable system
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Is that why there are plenty of Concept2o vans for sale throughout the year?
Standing orders, ok, I hear you, so, your guy turns up to granny smiths, and she decides "not today" you take the standing order credit and don't clean, or you clean anyway as you don't accept that?
If you are choosy about your customers and houses, what are your criteria? Must only pay s/o? Must be non council? Must be next to another one? No cash or cheque payments?!
Really, I'm intrigued.
when we sign people up we tell them we come every 4 weeks, so there's not really a problem after that. if they dont like us coming so often they cancel, but if we turn up to clean we charge them full price if we clean or not. we take the view we cannot loose out on earnings because someone decides to defer. once clients know this, they either accept it, or they leave. either way, you build up a round of great clients.
we have a couple of houses who we practically never get around the back to clean, but still pay us in full every month by standing order. its insane!
we don't accept cash payments ever, and we let them go 3 cleans by cheque but them straight onto standing order, and we only offer this if they say no to standing order first.
standing orders them selves get rid of people who dont want a clean every month, as they know theyre gonna be paying for that!
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If you have 20k to spend then u would better to spend that on buying rounds
And get a decent reliable system
if you buy rounds you end up with a mixed bag of clients, frequencies, prices... to maximise your eventual earning your better to get your own work
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You talk about standing orders like they going to stay for life, they are easy to cancel so its no tie or guarantee....
How long have you been going richard?
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I reckon your 2 man van should doing about £400 a day mate unless your prices are a bit low?
When I worked for a local guy, his work was a little underpriced but I was still averaging over £200 a day on me Todd! :)
There's no way I'd consider taking on two guys If they could only earn that between them chap
Hi Mark. My prices are quite low, I am in the process of increasing them. 95% of my work is domestic, and the prices are competitive in my area.
I think the 2 man van would only be able to achive £200 a day, so after wages id be making £100 on that van a day. (unless i got bigger bette priced work for them)
The £100 that you make will quickly be swallowed up by overheads and at these figures you have quoted it will actually cost you money to put a second van on the road.
You reckon? So £500 a week after wages, you think that will all be swallowed?
More or less yes,firstly,do you actually have enough work for the two men to do £200 a day 5 days a week,if not you will not have £500 to begin with.The outlay of buying and running a van.If I were you I would just run the 1 van with yourself +2, especially as you are trad
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Richard is right it can be done but u missed the point of having a helper.
my point was to the guy that started this thread that a big van with a big tank with the three of them working from it would be from my experience a much better idea than buying another van with all the extra expense that would bring.
Also fantastic returns can be made with the right compact well priced work when some people points this out they get shot down in flames but it's true.
i've not had the experience of 3 workers working well, but we just follow the concept2o model.
to be sure, you need to absolutely nail the profitably of 1 van before you start to invest in another. by the time we get a 2nd van the 1st will be max'd out 7 days a week ;D
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You talk about standing orders like they going to stay for life, they are easy to cancel so its no tie or guarantee....
How long have you been going richard?
been going 18 months in window cleaning.
SOs are not a guarantee, but they certainly mean the bulk of clients are thinking long term about the arrangement. some poeple will say, i dont want to set up a standing order as i only want you for a couple of months...
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So you going to do 14k a month 7 days a week?
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I love going out for the evening to come back and see a thread like this.
to answer a some previous questions our average price is £20 and a team of 2 would do 25-30 houses a day. they start at 8.30 and finish at 4.30-5. 1000L tank.
And yes we are domestic. dont care who thinks its bs at all. I run my business the way I do, and others can run theirs how they do.
oh and leave the franchise fella alone, there is nothing wrong with buying a franchise. Some of the largest and most sucessfull businesses in the world are franchises.
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So you going to do 14k a month 7 days a week?
in truth not really. i guess that at 1000 clients we'll get a new van. wont work regualr cleans on weekends.
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Leave the franchise fella alone lee? Sorry I didnt realise I had to ask your permission to have a discussion on here... I am just intrigued and wanting to learn about all aspects of the business...
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Richard, you are a nightmare read, honest.
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Richard, you are a nightmare read, honest.
Mr Uff, that sentence doesnt even make sense :-*
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How many customers do you have at the moment richard?
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How many customers do you have at the moment richard?
just 400+
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I am not trying to pick holes richard but if you have 400 customers why on earth are you rushing around doing 50 in a day?
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I am not trying to pick holes richard but if you have 400 customers why on earth are you rushing around doing 50 in a day?
its a changeover period right now so needed to get through work as we're changing schedules etc. before that i was doing up to £370 / day on my own so that i could have days off in office.
my new WC will be working on his own for the next couple of months until i need to go on the van again.
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Sorry I am confused, when will you need to get back on the van?
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Sorry I am confused, when will you need to get back on the van?
when we want to push over £360 / day i;ll need to go on the van again, or employ someone else... probably the 1st option tho :P
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So you going to sit in your office or canvass and build? ::)
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So you going to sit in your office or canvass and build? ::)
i run 2 businesses. one window cleaning, one domestic cleaning. i have a manager who runs both day to day, she's going off on maternity leave in 4 weeks... so for the next 4 months i;m office based managing the business, and will get canvassing as much as i can. when she's back hopefully mostly canvassing again until i can afford to get some canvassers in to do it for me
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I spoke to Julie a while ago, just looked through the info she sent me amd the forecast suggests picking up 100 customers a month. Now I wouldnt have much problem doing that as I am a canvasser but for someone coming into the business I just think its unrealistic. If you have been going 18 months with 400 customers it proves my point....
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I spoke to Julie a while ago, just looked through the info she sent me amd the forecast suggests picking up 100 customers a month. Now I wouldnt have much problem doing that as I am a canvasser but for someone coming into the business I just think its unrealistic. If you have been going 18 months with 400 customers it proves my point....
it doesn't prove anything to be honest. i'm not following the sales plan that julie sets out.
on top of that we had a fire 4 months in that destroyed everything in both my businesses and set us back
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I spoke to Julie a while ago, just looked through the info she sent me amd the forecast suggests picking up 100 customers a month. Now I wouldnt have much problem doing that as I am a canvasser but for someone coming into the business I just think its unrealistic. If you have been going 18 months with 400 customers it proves my point....
so are you a canvasser or a WC? if you re a pro canvasser perhaps you could help me out?
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Of course it does, it looks very attractive when pitching a 20k franchise to say you can turnover a hundred grand from one van. Its not real!
I am a canvasser who used to be a window cleaner...
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Of course it does, it looks very attractive when pitching a 20k franchise to say you can turnover a hundred grand from one van. Its not real!
that's just your opinion based upon your experience.
my experience is different :)
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I canvass everyday for a living, I know how it works...
How does your experience show her figures work? You are 18 months in with 400 customers, by her reckoning you should have 1800!
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I canvass everyday for a living, I know how it works...
How does your experience show her figures work? You are 18 months in with 400 customers, by her reckoning you should have 1800!
like i said, i am not following julie's plan as i have another business, and i had a fire last year that destroyed everything. i fell as though i'm repeating myself? ???
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So you dont use her system but feel the need to defend it? I dont see why a fire would stop you by thay much...
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So you dont use her system but feel the need to defend it? I dont see why a fire would stop you by thay much...
if you dont see why a fire would stop you, you have never had a fire!
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Nope never had a fire, was it in your van?
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Nope never had a fire, was it in your van?
pathetic comment
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Hold on why would you say that? It was a serious question cos I cant see why a fire anywhere else would put you so far behind...
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Hold on why would you say that? It was a serious question cos I cant see why a fire anywhere else would put you so far behind...
if you cannot see how a fire in a business would have a dramatic effect on that business, "unless it was in a van", it speaks volumes about you and your general sense.
the office that burned down was our local enterprise centre and around 50 businesses who's offices were there were effected. 2 businesses stopped trading immediately, and over a year on only 30 businesses remain in some form. Many of these are struggling and i expect many more will close over the next year.
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In fairness, the only vital information that could affect growth for a wc is the customer database. As long as this or equipment wasn't lost, I can't see how it would have a huge impact.
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In fairness, the only vital information that could affect growth for a wc is the customer database. As long as this or equipment wasn't lost, I can't see how it would have a huge impact.
the simple answer is lack of money and lack of time.
the fire cost me a massive amount of money and meant i have had to lay staff off including WC, canvassers, and admin staff.
the staff that remained spent much of their time putting the customer database back together.
if i was a man with a van business then it would be different but i am not and so the impact was huge, and in fact it still is huge. the effect has probably knocked me back 2 or 3 years i recon
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Why are you trying to say I have no common sense?
You never explained anything and just said it was a fire, am I supposed to guess?
As for it affecting the window cleaning business I agree with steve, I sold a round with nearly 400 customers and could have took you to every single house. You are not that big and saying its put you three years behind is amazing. The thing about a simple business like window cleaning is the van could have been out earning you money the very next day especially if you had staff.
I have run and been involved in bigger business so dont just assume I have been a window cleaner all my life and think you can lord it over me cos you think you are bigger and better. You are not....
Thats my last word on the matter because I am not getting into a petty arguement.
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Why are you trying to say I have no common sense?
You never explained anything and just said it was a fire, am I supposed to guess?
well i said that we had a fire that destroyed everything ???
As for it affecting the window cleaning business I agree with steve, I sold a round with nearly 400 customers and could have took you to every single house.
that is very impressive if you think you could, but of course what you think you could do, and what you could actually do are often rather different things. what made it harder than this is the fact that it was snowing heavily so houses looked differnent, the rounds were very new, and even when you know the house you dont have details of the price, of their last clean date, their contact detials etc etc
You are not that big and saying its put you three years behind is amazing. The thing about a simple business like window cleaning is
i also said in the same thread that i had 2 businesses so it is not a simple business in just WC.
the van could have been out earning you money the very next day especially if you had staff.
our WC was out cleaning the same day as the fire but this doesnt solve the main problems
I have run and been involved in bigger business so dont just assume I have been a window cleaner all my life
i didn't assume that you have been a window cleaner all your life. you mentioned yourself that you are not a window cleaner any longer so that much is obvious. what i assume is that you dont have a lot of insight and probably not a great deal of empathy :o
think you can lord it over me cos you think you are bigger and better. You are not....
i dont think that at all. i do however think that you clearly do not have any insight into what effect a fire can have that destroys your back office. now as you said you never had a fire, but i would have thought that most reasonably astute people would be able to imagine that an event such as this would have a massive effect on a business.
Thats my last word on the matter because I am not getting into a petty arguement.
well in keeping with the petty argument i would say that you started it :P but i am pleased that that was your last word :-*
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Wow you really are petty...
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I wouldnt worry richard about gd or anyone.. Jealousy springs to mind...
Gd you are a typical window cleaning canvasser( a window cleaner who couldnt hack it or control a round properly) richard even said he would use your services so i dont understand why you doubt him so much???. To have left a 400 customer round to start canvassing is utter madness i bet you was on a grand a week or thereabouts.. Please explain why you sold up and gave in to knock doors for a living instead of regular repeat work and pay???
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I sold it for really good money to help me set up my social media business. Its really funny when people question things that the first conclusion you jump to is jealousy. I am not jealous of anyone on here, I am happy with my lot in life and where I am on a personal and business level. I want more and will get it....
As for leaving an income, I can earn more running a successful canvassing company plain and simple.
Ask my clients or anyone that has met me, I will be the biggest and best canvassing and marketing company in the uk. I already have too much work and have started the recruitment proccess.
I will always put my money where my mouth is and back it up with real and tangable results....
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I would love to see these window cleaners who can earn 300-400 a day every day do you not get RSI
complete 80ll0x
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Wow you really are petty...
Hmmmm :-[
Thats my last word on the matter because I am not getting into a petty arguement.
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Does it bother you that much how much richard makes, why would he sit there lying he has no need mate. I think you need to get alife rather than question what every one does and makes christ go down the pub or something. To be honest i think if you run a decent company work like a looney and price well yeas the figures are possible. I have have got close to them when i needed to in the summer and i must admit i can be a right tool when working def got blond syndrome lol
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Richard it was my last word on the matter, was just pointing out how petty you were being...
Just to be clear I am not jealous or bothered how much he makes, its just not important to me. I just couldnt see how you could clean 50 houses a day with one pole. If thats what he says then it must be true....
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Richard it was my last word on the matter, was just pointing out how petty you were being...
Just to be clear I am not jealous or bothered how much he makes, its just not important to me. I just couldnt see how you could clean 50 houses a day with one pole. If thats what he says then it must be true....
you are hilarious! you keep taking the 'mature' position and saying how you won t say anything more, and then you keep reposting ??? you just cant help yourself! ::)
if it helps you tho, we do have 2 poles. one medium CLX and one long SLX if that helps :P
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i read all the rubbish here, and what i dont get is richard says he can do 50+ houses aday not ever day but some days,then says he only as 400+ custy a mth,
now when i went to school 400didved by a average off 30 custys a day ,averages out about 2.5 weeks worth off work.
now if you only doing 2.5 weeks worth of work why the are you employing,??????
something dont make sense,have i missed something ???
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i read all the rubbish here, and what i dont get is richard says he can do 50+ houses aday not ever day but some days,then says he only as 400+ custy a mth,
now when i went to school 400didved by a average off 30 custys a day ,averages out about 2.5 weeks worth off work.
now if you only doing 2.5 weeks worth of work why the are you employing,??????
something dont make sense,have i missed something ???
hi franky,
when i am talking about 50 a day i am talking about that many houses OR the equivalent earnings. we have work for one WC to do about 4 fulls days a week of regular cleans. the extra day was a day of child care for me, and now that i;ve a WC and i;m in the office or canvassing, the extra day is filled with 1st cleans, connys, fascias etc
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I would love to see these window cleaners who can earn 300-400 a day every day do you not get RSI
complete 80ll0x
I invite you to come and see that and more done day in day out.
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I would love to see these window cleaners who can earn 300-400 a day every day do you not get RSI
complete 80ll0x
I invite you to come and see that and more done day in day out.
that is an offer you should bite his hand off for! :)
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I really mean it. anyone that doubts any figures I have discussed here is welcome to come to my office at the end of any week and see the numbers for themselves.
It really does my head in on here how many rude and small minded people there are.
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I really mean it. anyone that doubts any figures I have discussed here is welcome to come to my office at the end of any week and see the numbers for themselves.
It really does my head in on here how many rude and small minded people there are.
From your previous posts I assumed yours were 2 man teams pulling in £500 a day. That is less than 300-400 for one man. Did I misread? I would think £500 a day for two men is very achievable
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I would love to see these window cleaners who can earn 300-400 a day every day do you not get RSI
complete 80ll0x
I invite you to come and see that and more done day in day out.
I couldn't care less what people say they earn on here however mate I for one would like to see how you operate things there is always something new to learn..
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Knowledge is power im sure you old boys know more than me.but please stop argueing. Cheer up every1
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I really mean it. anyone that doubts any figures I have discussed here is welcome to come to my office at the end of any week and see the numbers for themselves.
It really does my head in on here how many rude and small minded people there are.
From your previous posts I assumed yours were 2 man teams pulling in £500 a day. That is less than 300-400 for one man. Did I misread? I would think £500 a day for two men is very achievable
I did not quote you mate. 350 a day for one at my end is quite normal. 550-600 is for 2 men. sometimes more. 2 days this week have been over 600.
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can i take a leaflet home with me lee ;)
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can i take a leaflet home with me lee ;)
lol no you cant. besides, they cost a small fortune!
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with the right work and prices, having a daily turnover figure of £350 is quite easy to achieve.
To clean 50 properties in a day is possible, its only 8 1/3 houses an hour, but to get a member of staff to do this, 5 days a week for 48 weeks a year, I do not think this is achievable.
The reason, the cleaner will burn out.
Richard are you vat registered?
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dont tell anyone how much you paid for them you may get called a story teller ;D ;D ;D
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dont tell anyone how much you paid for them you may get called a story teller ;D ;D ;D
I usually buy a pallet of 30,000 for £1450.00
Yesterday I bought 100,000 for £4000.00 I plan to buy a further 100k later in the year as I dont have room to store 200k in one hit!
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leaflets dont work lee ;D ;D ;)
you will pick up more work of them than 99% off here will ever have.
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leaflets dont work lee ;D ;D ;)
you will pick up more work of them than 99% off here will ever have.
I hope so. we will see soon enough. The goal this year is to get another 2 guys out doing £550 a day. I also hope to sell at least one franchise to get that ball rolling
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your doing what you say at the bottom of your posts, how many vans have you got out now lee?
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with the right work and prices, having a daily turnover figure of £350 is quite easy to achieve.
To clean 50 properties in a day is possible, its only 8 1/3 houses an hour, but to get a member of staff to do this, 5 days a week for 48 weeks a year, I do not think this is achievable.
The reason, the cleaner will burn out.
Richard are you vat registered?
not yet at the threshold for VAT no tho very close nowadays. all going to plan i;ll have to make that leap this year :-\
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leaflets dont work lee ;D ;D ;)
you will pick up more work of them than 99% off here will ever have.
I hope so. we will see soon enough. The goal this year is to get another 2 guys out doing £550 a day. I also hope to sell at least one franchise to get that ball rolling
Out of interest Lee, how much you require for your initial franchisee Licence fee ?
And what do you guarantee the franchise income per week?
What percentage is your loyalty ?
Hope you don't mind me asking this on here?
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dont tell anyone how much you paid for them you may get called a story teller ;D ;D ;D
I usually buy a pallet of 30,000 for £1450.00
Yesterday I bought 100,000 for £4000.00 I plan to buy a further 100k later in the year as I dont have room to store 200k in one hit!
By the way contact me regarding your leaflets, because I am using a company in my area who can do your leaflet for half price of what you are paying to printing them.
Mine are two sided colour with excellent printing Graphic .
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8 houses an hour wfp is impossible!
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8 houses an hour wfp is impossible!
Errr, no it aint. I have 2 areas where we can knock 8 houses per hour out, all small semis all next door to each other and most priced at a mindblowing £4-4.30 each.
They're all fortnightly, private houses on a nice little estate.
Bread 'n' butter stuff... ;D
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how many hours a week can you knock out 8 an hour? how long did it take you to build up all these next door to each other customers? do you clean frames as well as glass? how many operators to clean the 8 an hour? many thanks
As i think i am doing all this wfp thing wrong!!!
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All frames(apart from the top edge) glass and sills, 1 operator to do these.
I bought the round 7 years ago.
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why not the top edge where all the dust/dirt collects?
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These semis must be small 2 up 2 down ???
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at a fairly brisk pace i clean 4-5 smallish three bed semis an hour on very compact work with prices ranging from £6-£12 depending on conservatories and kitchen extensions etc.
i clean all frames,sills and doors,mostly monthly cleans.ive been cleaning for many years(wfp for nearly 2 years).i could not possibly clean any more in 60 mins unless i missed bathroom windows,avoided frames,bumped doors etc(basically "splash and dash".)
there is a fine line between working fast and efficiently and just taking the pee and cutting corners.
IMO if your cleaning 8 houses an hour on your own your cutting corners and you will lose customers as people do watch what your doing!!
a tip i picked up on here was always work as if someone is watching you!!! ;) ;D ;D
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at a fairly brisk pace i clean 4-5 smallish three bed semis an hour on very compact work with prices ranging from £6-£12 depending on conservatories and kitchen extensions etc.
i clean all frames,sills and doors,mostly monthly cleans.ive been cleaning for many years(wfp for nearly 2 years).i could not possibly clean any more in 60 mins unless i missed bathroom windows,avoided frames,bumped doors etc(basically "splash and dash".)
there is a fine line between working fast and efficiently and just taking the pee and cutting corners.
IMO if your cleaning 8 houses an hour on your own your cutting corners and you will lose customers as people do watch what your doing!!
a tip i picked up on here was always work as if someone is watching you!!! ;) ;D ;D
Very true, but I can assure you i do a very thorough job, no cutting corners whatsoever.
The houses are SMALL semi's, no front gardens. The way I do them is go right down the fronts 150meters doing the tops, then back down doing the bottoms, I then go down the side of the house and do 2 backs and so on.
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Btw these houses have 3 small windows on the front 3 small on the back and patio doors
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At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you do 1 or 50 an hour its what you make within that hour that counts
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I love that one fella has to drive and just help out, not sure what he does but thats hilarious....
That is THE most stupid business decision I have ever seen posted on CIU
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That looks like I agree with it when its taken out of context, I have spoken to Julie at concept2o and thats the method they say to use to achieve 50 houses in a day. Doesnt make sense to me....
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That looks like I agree with it when its taken out of context, I have spoken to Julie at concept2o and thats the method they say to use to achieve 50 houses in a day. Doesnt make sense to me....
Sorry GD it does a bit, that wasnt my intention. and I should of quoted the other fella but I was agreeing with what you said...why would you hire someone just to drive and post bills?
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Thanks for confirming that lol I have to say it sounds the maddest idea I have ever heard but they swear by it....
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That looks like I agree with it when its taken out of context, I have spoken to Julie at concept2o and thats the method they say to use to achieve 50 houses in a day. Doesnt make sense to me....
Sorry GD it does a bit, that wasnt my intention. and I should of quoted the other fella but I was agreeing with what you said...why would you hire someone just to drive and post bills?
the other guy doesn't just drive and post bills tho. he helps out laying out the hose and allowing the cleaner to move around the house as if he's not attached to a hose.
we do it that way because it works that way. if it didn't speed us up it would be insane wouldn't it. it'd not the most obvious way of doing it is it! but we just work to get the best results.
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That looks like I agree with it when its taken out of context, I have spoken to Julie at concept2o and thats the method they say to use to achieve 50 houses in a day. Doesnt make sense to me....
Sorry GD it does a bit, that wasnt my intention. and I should of quoted the other fella but I was agreeing with what you said...why would you hire someone just to drive and post bills?
the other guy doesn't just drive and post bills tho. he helps out laying out the hose and allowing the cleaner to move around the house as if he's not attached to a hose.
we do it that way because it works that way. if it didn't speed us up it would be insane wouldn't it. it'd not the most obvious way of doing it is it! but we just work to get the best results.
Ok fair enough its your business. does the driver get paid the same as the wfp operative?
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That looks like I agree with it when its taken out of context, I have spoken to Julie at concept2o and thats the method they say to use to achieve 50 houses in a day. Doesnt make sense to me....
Sorry GD it does a bit, that wasnt my intention. and I should of quoted the other fella but I was agreeing with what you said...why would you hire someone just to drive and post bills?
the other guy doesn't just drive and post bills tho. he helps out laying out the hose and allowing the cleaner to move around the house as if he's not attached to a hose.
we do it that way because it works that way. if it didn't speed us up it would be insane wouldn't it. it'd not the most obvious way of doing it is it! but we just work to get the best results.
Ok fair enough its your business. does the driver get paid the same as the wfp operative?
the driver is the senior guy so gets paid more. anything that happens is his responsibly tho so quality problems, missed windows etc. the van driver will have previously been the WFP operative
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Are daily totals being quoted on here plus vat or inc. vat ?
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Are daily totals being quoted on here plus vat or inc. vat ?
I'm not VAT registered
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can you stop plugging up the forum with stupid arguments. you can send messages to each others inbox for that
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That's enough, locked!