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UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Richy L on February 12, 2012, 04:30:14 pm
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I'm thinking of buying a new machine later in the year.My yanmar diesel machine is a bit old now.
I'm thinking of getting a Honda petrol (same spec as my diesel - 15lpm, 200 bar, 3500psi). I know the petrol is a bit more expensive to run, but it is also a couple of thousand cheaper to buy!
My diesel is now on a pull start and to get the key start working again I would need to spend a bit of money on it, when there is really no need.
What else would you consider before buying?
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Lee Kenny has a Yanmar with a 201 pump and gearbox on mate. It's a nice one, tidy and on a plate. Mount it in your van.
I'd have it but it would just be sat about with my other spare machines.
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Lee Kenny has a Yanmar with a 201 pump and gearbox on mate. It's a nice one, tidy and on a plate. Mount it in your van.
I'd have it but it would just be sat about with my other spare machines.
It's a very tidy machine, had minimal use, like new! will send you some pics if you like... I may even buy your old unit off you... theres no need to buy new if you get a well looked after 2nd hand diesel, refurb'd aswell
give me a ring if interested 07871242012
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My diesel is now on a pull start and to get the key start working again I would need to spend a bit of money on it, when there is really no need.
Mate, im in the process of reconning the yanmar i bought not long ago. there were no keys with it and the key barrely was ruined so i bought a starter button, and just rewired it. But lee has some good machines, i was gonna get one off him but he sold it too quick!!
Stay diesel mate
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My machine is about 12 years old now. It works well and I have upgraded the pump, added a bigger fuel tank and added a big pressure hose reel on top.
Its just hard to start it when it is cold. Sometimes it can take 15 pulls of the pull start before it starts.
I have just changed over all my quick releases and serviced it so I'll be keeping this one for a little while.
What are the specs of your machine Kenny.
If you have the pics on your computer send them over, then if it is still for sale when I want to buy another one I will keep you in mind..... richard@leeksons.com
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Mine is a mint yanmar L100 diesel, interpump 201 with gearbox, 15 litres per minute @ 200bar (3000psi).
Advice for yours is to take your fuel line off and clean it out, clean the injector or even replace (about £25 off ebay), change your fuel filter, starting and running problems on diesels nearly always caused by the fuel system so start there.
Also a can of easy start will get it going easier in the meantime
Hope this helps
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Running a thinner oil helps in the first instance - this helps it spin faster when starting. Go from 10/40 to 5/30 for the winter or keep the machine in your living room ;D
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Cheers Kenny,
I get it serviced every year and an oil change.
I'm not very good with the mechanical side.(well I have never tried to be honest)
I'm going to sound a bit clueless now, but when you say it has a gear box, what does that mean?- what else can it do?
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... or keep the machine in your living room ;D
I've been temped! I have kept an oil radiator in the van overnight in the past, but that just worries me.
Once it has been running for a few minutes I can turn it on and off all the time.
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For the type of work I do mostly, it involves turning the machine on and off about 30 times over a 4 hour period. Lots of stopping and starting.
Im thinking a key start would just run the battery down fast wouldnt it?
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For the type of work I do mostly, it involves turning the machine on and off about 30 times over a 4 hour period. Lots of stopping and starting.
Im thinking a key start would just run the battery down fast wouldnt it?
I thought you were clued up Richy! ;D
The battery is recharged when the engine is running.
What pump have you got on your Yanmar at the moment?
The gearbox is between the pump and engine and reduces the RPM which is good for both the engine and pump
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Cheers Kenny,
I get it serviced every year and an oil change.
I'm not very good with the mechanical side.(well I have never tried to be honest)
I'm going to sound a bit clueless now, but when you say it has a gear box, what does that mean?- what else can it do?
Aprox 60 miles / hr ;D ;D (in the back of the van :P ;D ;D)
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I dont even Lee.
I use a local guy who sells and repairs machines. He's cheap enough to give it to him if I have any problems. I've known him for years so I trust his word when he comes to sell me anything.
I'll take some pics of my machine and put them up on this thread soon. I'll try to get some pics tonight when I start work.
When it comes to using the machine I'm a genius! ;D ;D ... but repairing it is another story!
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I dont even Lee.
I use a local guy who sells and repairs machines. He's cheap enough to give it to him if I have any problems. I've known him for years so I trust his word when he comes to sell me anything.
I'll take some pics of my machine and put them up on this thread soon. I'll try to get some pics tonight when I start work.
When it comes to using the machine I'm a genius! ;D ;D ... but repairing it is another story!
You need a key start pal. Pulling your recoil on a job doesn't look the part. ;)
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I dont even Lee.
I use a local guy who sells and repairs machines. He's cheap enough to give it to him if I have any problems. I've known him for years so I trust his word when he comes to sell me anything.
I'll take some pics of my machine and put them up on this thread soon. I'll try to get some pics tonight when I start work.
When it comes to using the machine I'm a genius! ;D ;D ... but repairing it is another story!
You need a key start pal. Pulling your recoil on a job doesn't look the part. ;)
It's knackering too!
The battery I have doesnt hold a charge and I have been told I need a bigger battery really.
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Cheers Kenny,
I get it serviced every year and an oil change.
I'm not very good with the mechanical side.(well I have never tried to be honest)
I'm going to sound a bit clueless now, but when you say it has a gear box, what does that mean?- what else can it do?
As Lee Blastaway says mate, to make everything run slower, a 3000 rpm pump will only last half as long as a 1450 rpm pump, It's a way of making the pump last longer and therefore more reliable, the gearbox is to step down the rpm of the engine (between 3000 and 36000rpm) but at the same time keeping the most power there to pump the high volume of water/power ie when an engine is at it's most powerfull on high revs. if you took out the gear box and tried to run it off and engine doing 1450rpm direct then the engine would stall because there wouldn't be enough power there.
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For the type of work I do mostly, it involves turning the machine on and off about 30 times over a 4 hour period. Lots of stopping and starting.
Im thinking a key start would just run the battery down fast wouldnt it?
What kind of work do you do to have keep stop/starting your engine? maybe theres a way round it?
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Richy, whats the problem with the key start mate? is it just the battery? or is a wiring issue? just get yourself a new battery (smallish car battery would do) and wire it up and then get yourself a cheap test light from halfrauds and test the wires. i cant imagine it being a major issue cause theres only a couple of wires that the key start uses.
Lee, i didnt realise the Yanmars had an alternator to charge the battery while its running though i did wonder how the battery didnt run flat.
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Richy, whats the problem with the key start mate? is it just the battery? or is a wiring issue? just get yourself a new battery (smallish car battery would do) and wire it up and then get yourself a cheap test light from halfrauds and test the wires. i cant imagine it being a major issue cause theres only a couple of wires that the key start uses.
Lee, i didnt realise the Yanmars had an alternator to charge the battery while its running though i did wonder how the battery didnt run flat.
It's another name for it mate, positioned near the starter. Can't think of it!
When Richy talks about stop starting around 30 times a day at times he will be referring to Reverse Graffiti.
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think the other name is a voltage regulator for the charging circuit, it's the little grey box
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(http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/bounderdee/FRAME_diesel_voltage_regulator.jpg=450)
(http://us.yanmar.com/media/ext/uploaded/93abdb34-e25d-4c0b-95cb-ec0b203aaeba/L100V-1.jpg)
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1329329092_Pump.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1329329112_Machine.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1329329132_Battery.jpg)
This is my set up.
Doesnt look very pretty any more
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Where's your exhaust going Richy?
What's the diameter of your pipe drawing the water from tank?
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It is just a standard hose pipe connection.
I did have an extension to my exhaust pipe taking it to the outer edge of the van, but over time is fell off, I just havent put it back on yet
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any idea what my pump, etc should be like in comparison to others?
as I've said, it works well, but doesnt look very pretty now.
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Richy,
Why not get the machine out of your van one weekend, give it a good clean up, wipe down, coat of paint or whatever.. tidy it up...tape up the wires etc, get it looking a lil neater if you dont think it looks good.
If any hoses/fitting need replaced, change them, get it all up and running smoothly...if you have the caash, take it down to the guy who repairs it for you and get him to give it a full blown service, seals, oil..you name it..
Your pump looks brand new compared to mine.. ;D..mines covered in grease and poope, but works well enough..
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your pump is a good pump, it's an interpump w965, does 250 bar (3600psi) at 15 litres, make sure your nozzles are size 04, (2 x 02 on a whirlaway) with the correct nozzle on (04) run it and it should be producing 3600psi, look on you gauge to check, if it's doing less then 1st check if your unloader is not unloading, if it is then tighten it up untill it's not, if it wasn't unloading in the first place but your still under pressure then adjust the throttle governer screw so you produce more revs (it may have been turned down at some point) still not getting the right pressure? get a new set of seals, also pressure feed it to see if it leaks any water, if it does you may need new pistons aswell as seals, check them
The good thing about your machine is that you can't break it, ie you can always get spare parts, hence, no nedd to buy a new one... unless your engine seizes or something major
Keep it and tidy it up as matt says, just look after it and it will last you for years
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You can check the unloader by removing the return hose and checking for leak by when running at pressure - I replace my unloaders every year. The piston seals have an air gap between the oil and wet side and if either the oil or water drips from the tell tale holes then those seals will need to be replaced. Nothing wrong with a petrol washer except for the price of petrol - almost £28 a can here in the rich south east corner ;D
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Yeah I should take it out and clean it up, paint it, etc.
As I said, I service it every year to keep it running.
The pump is only two years old. My old one died in a deep freeze. It runs at a nice pressure, just the engine is really noisy compared to a petrol.
How much do you think a battery, new key start and alternator would be?
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Richy, try the link below.
like Lee said above, the yanmars dont have an alternator. i thought they did but its called a regulator. pretty much everything you need you should be able to get from the guys in the link. Ive just got a car battery for mine. And i was going to get a replacement keystart, but i just got a cheap starter button. it wires up exactly like a keystart but you just dont have any keys.
Yanmar L100 parts (http://www.lsengineers.co.uk/small-plant-spares/small-engine-spares-1/yanmar-engine-spares.html)
You could even start saving yourself some money per year and service it yourself. oil filter, fuel filter etc. they are pretty basic engines to work on. I found a copy of the workshop manual for the L100 and it shows you how to do the lot.
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Thats a handy site matt - nice one
Where's your exhaust going Richy?
What's the diameter of your pipe drawing the water from tank?
Richy,
Point if think lee was making feed pipe size from tank to pump looks very small dia - if possible I would increase to ensure pump has adequate supply, certainly no harm.
Do you guys add a drain valve to the pump, option for that interpump (most pumps) ... allows easier starting without having to release trigger gun. ;D
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I think it was BDCS who put me onto that site. I got the catalogue sent out. Good stuff at good prices. I've never heard of a drain valva for a pump. Got a link? I always pull the trigger to release the pressure. Never really noticed a difference in staring it with or without it being pressurized. Can it hurt the pump starting it with pressure?
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I tried using a wider diameter feed pipe, but I find my pump doesnt suck the water up easily enough.
When starting the machine now there has to be water in the feed pipe.(it wont draw the water on its own)
I assume this isnt normal.
When it gets cold I drain the pipes to ensure the water doesnt freeze in any of the pipework, but that means I need to syphon the water out of my tank(by literally sucking the water down the pipe to start it off)
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Richy
I have run some long supply hoses @ 22mm and never had a problem with drawing water through the pump. The actual outlet from the hose, what size is this?? because if it is 15 mm and you have a 22mm or 25mm hose on it it will not help you.
There should be enough of a header of water from that tank (when full) to get the ball rolling with the pump.
There is something else going on here if you cannot get the pump to self prime!!
Rob ;D
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Sorry that ought to read outlet from the tank!!!
Rob ;D
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Sorry, it will self prime when the tank is full, but when under half full it doesn't.
The water feed goes up, into the top of the tank, then down into the tank with a strainer at the end.
I know that wont help things, but I have used other, newer petrol machines that can do this and self prime
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I tried using a wider diameter feed pipe, but I find my pump doesnt suck the water up easily enough.
When starting the machine now there has to be water in the feed pipe.(it wont draw the water on its own)
I assume this isnt normal.
I dont understand why a larger pipe will compound your problem?
When it gets cold I drain the pipes to ensure the water doesnt freeze in any of the pipework, but that means I need to syphon the water out of my tank(by literally sucking the water down the pipe to start it off)
Our machines are not truck mounted - before connecting machine to tank we always check water is flowing from tank then connect up machines using camlocks. (short connection on m/c) If you added drain valve to pump this will help your pump prime. We have experienced problems with interpumps sucking in the past mainly on direct drive m/cs, even with large head of water.
Ah just seen other post thats the prob! We have had similar prob with inters add drain valve where your pressure gauge is.
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richy,
Couldnt you put your water feed for your machine at the bottom of your tank? instead of making the machine suck the water up hill out the top of the tank, it will be gravity fed. if that makes sense. then it wont matter if the tank is half full, or almost empty, the machine will suck..
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yeah, I should get that sorted. I had it at the bottom with a wider feed and it didnt work well though. I think I had better just play around with it and see what work works best
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Feeding from the bottom of tank in my opinion(IBC)is no good if you fill up from hydrants.
A lot of crap comes out of them and there's always silt in our tank. We do flush it out but in experience the silt has block up the filters.
Sucking from the top from a strainer we've never had to clean out the filter.
Oh, also had stones get stuck in the pipe.
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yeah i get silt in mine too. ive got a removable filter element, so i just whip it out and give it a clean. havent had to clean it much as the outlet for my tank is slightly higher than the bootom of the tank. but im not using an ibc, so probably different.
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yeah i get silt in mine too. ive got a removable filter element, so i just whip it out and give it a clean. havent had to clean it much as the outlet for my tank is slightly higher than the bootom of the tank. but im not using an ibc, so probably different.
Talking with a Scottish accent now then Matt? Put a haggis on the Barbie! ;)
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ach aye ;D
Lee, I need to get a couple of bags of soda for this cement factory test patch. What do I ask for at northern tool? Is it just the standard soda?
Also, is it water soliuble or do you have to clean it up like you do when u use sand?
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You want the coated soda and yes its mostly soluable - citric acid speeds it up if you have a lot to move
http://www.northernpowerclean.co.uk/productline.php
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Cheers mate. If the job goes ahead ill need to get some citric acid.
So which one off that list in the link? Is there much difference? I'll be using it through the wet blaster, an I want it to be cheap enough.
Sorry, im ignorant to the soda. never used it. But it would be perfect on this job as the mess is a factor. I just wanna know which one would be best for what i want, as i dont wanna ring the guy and have him sell me the most expensive one, when i only needed the cheap one..
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Matt,
What's the soda test for? Cement?
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Yes mate. See my other post about the cement factory. Its the way bay area where they clean the machines... its mostly heavy cement on metal stairs, walls etc. was going to try and knock as much off with a hitly, or something similar, then blast the rest, or even just try and blast it from the start. Thought i might try the soda, as the ammount of sand ill be using, the clean up will be a nightmare.
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I'd have thought the soda would be too gentle for removing cement. Build up should'nt be a problem when wet blasting but the cement will become sand when it comes off and would just go in the washings skip
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yeah i did think the soda might be a bit soft, but i was looking at it purely for the clean up aspect of it compared to using sand.
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£30 a bag mate and not abrasive enough. I still got about 45 bags left from that pallet I bought cheap. Been using it now and again for graffiti.
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I've got bags of soda in the container next to the soda blaster I never use :'(
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So you reckon just stick with the sand? I didn't think the soda would be abrasive enough for the real heavy stuff, but thought it might be ok with the light cement. I suppose the money I'll save on the sand will outweigh the cleanup
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Lee Kenny has a Yanmar with a 201 pump and gearbox on mate. It's a nice one, tidy and on a plate. Mount it in your van.
I'd have it but it would just be sat about with my other spare machines.
Sold to John from A - Z cleaning in Liecester
thanks john
;D
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