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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike Halliday on February 09, 2012, 09:03:03 am
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how about these for colours running ::) ::) ::) ::)
had them dropped off to see what we can do
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1328777811_rugs colour run 001.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1328777843_rugs colour run 002.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1328777980_rugs colour run 005.JPG)
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Did the customer try cleaning it?
Easiest solution cut the tassels off, there a silly idea anyway, but guess they wanna keep em..
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these came from a flood, the customer also wants them cleaning but I've just done a colour-fastness check and this was the result with a MS & acidic rinse
I've cut off a tassle and I'm in the process of trying different bleaches.... I can see this being a learning exercise and then admitting defeat.
I have been trying to get in touch with franklins of sheffield all morning but they are not answering there phone
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Nice rugs those Mike.A reducing bleach and ya could
Make those fringes look as white as paper ! ( Weaken em`
Too I know)The pile,shampoo,extract,I think that’s what
Franklins would do anyway.
While I`m online,
What are you fella`s charging for uplift,clean dry and re-lay
Including underlay in most cases for carpets that have been
Flood water affected due to the recent cold snap that has led
To burst pipes etc. ?
Lewis Doubtfire
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Mike,
Why dont you just keep flushing untill all the dye has been removed , immersion rinse, rinse, rinse, rinse , eventualy the amount of dye that will run will all be flushed away /
I have done this on a cpl of occasions and as the dye is not stable the dyethat has already migrated should also be flushed out .
Geoff
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I've seen these rugs in this sort of condition, colour bleed, but not the tassels so bad.
The customers haven't really cared as is kind of a general all red rug.
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The tassel's can be easily replaced in grey, brilliant white whatever, you can then treat the rug to your hearts content, there are limitations and of course and it would depend on the value's involved as to whether its cost effective,
If the rugs are of high value they may have a separate items insurance which frees you to do what you want, within reason of course.
Although in the end there may still be evidence of colour run, in most cases carrying out the above makes such a huge difference that it is acceptable to the customer (and insurance).
show us the end results ;)
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interesting the household bleach has migrated along the fibre and infected the other strand, I was very careful applying the bleach so it didn't touch the other strands but still the are are bleached half way along the strand.
you can see sod-met & white vinegar had no effect.... even though i accelerated them with a steam iron .... maybe abit of ammonia might have helped
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1328788803_colour run 3 002.JPG)
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I would flush em to death then bleed them with an alkaline.
Acid Rinse/dry then Chemspec RX for Fringe or even Oxibrite/Fibrebuff.
Rinse em off with acid rinse when done.
I have used this method on quite a few recently that have been in here.
I know it weakens them but whats the alternative. Cut em?
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I know it weakens them but whats the alternative. Cut em?
replace them.......
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of course!
If you can.
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These run like mad when wet with water only ;D
Mike ring us if you want an answer ;)
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Or dont and work it out yourself ;D ;D8 ;D
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I don't agree with the ideology of saying..... ring me for an answer
what about everyone else who wants the answer should they ring you as well?
how about participating in the true role of these forums and sharing helpful information for the sake of just being helpful...... rather tham trying to be a cleverclogs who thinks he has all the answers ;D ;D
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Like me Mike you have your thoughts on how information is given and i have mine. I was offering you help as you obviously have not got a clue on how to solve this. As a professional clever clogs I on the other hand have ;D and as your in your usual distrespectful mood ::) i will leave you to muddle your way through it :D
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you are making the assumption that i have no idea how to handle this based on my post so for, but unlike you (who are a smarty-pants, clever clogs ;) ;) ) i am trying to start discussion and create an environment where we all can share & learn,
muddle...muddle :) :)
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Mike. Is that a starfish on the plate. If it is, I reckon you`ve killed it.
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;D
Mike full of BS as usual :D if you knew you would have just gone and fixed it with before and after pics and not in a half hearted ask how way. ::)
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I'm a clever clogs as well because i know how to sort it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D
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Yer Billy but your ugly too :D
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Ive cleaned loads of these types of rugs before with no colour run issues.
Does the colour run test show run all over or just one area.
Id say it needs a pit wash regardless.
Interesting to see your results.
Mark
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I only picked it up last night I can;t post after picture until its done..... but the solution we have discussed with the customer is a little bit different but its what they want . I've experemints with the bleaches for my own benefit
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Mark its an afghan, you only have to look at them and they bleed :(
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mark if you look at the towel it ran with what ever i touched it with
luckily it does'nt really need cleaning just the fringes sorting out
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Where's Dave Lionha when you want him?
His methods might seem primitive but he seems to know what to do with most things rugs and it normally involves hosing down until it stops bleeding.
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When I was at WE Franklin we used to clean these fringes with 'house hold bleach' then a rinse they always came up okay you got the fraying but with a pair of scissors you could sweeten them up.
Shaun
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So he just wants the fringes bleached and shipped back, sounds straightforward to me.
It's a write off anyway, just wants the fringes looking nice.
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Try a test with chlorine or amonia
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I take it then there`s no one on the group doing flooded
Carpets these days. ???
Mike, the chances are that the reason Frankins wer`nt answering
Their phone calls was because they are `mown out`with wet
Carpets,due of course to the recent sub zero temperatures.
P.S.
Perhaps I should have started a different thread. ;D
Lewis Doubtfire
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Mike,
My eye site is not great even with my glasses on.
But in your early photos it looks to me that the red has also run into most of the ivory in the field and boarder and turned it pinkish ? Not just the fringes.
colin
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When I was at WE Franklin we used to clean these fringes with 'house hold bleach' then a rinse they always came up okay you got the fraying but with a pair of scissors you could sweeten them up.
Shaun
Bodge job then ;D
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Ive also cleaned a lot of these without colour run problems, but on this one it has occurred due to flooding.
The obvious answer as Mike knows knows is to use bleach, however as the absorbancy is high on these rugs its important not to let the bleach wick up the pile where it meets the fringe. Probably a bit of a drawn out job, applying bleach and rinsing off shortly afterwards, followed by further applications until an acceptable level is reached.
Dave.
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What is it with you heathens... always wanting to cut fringes off rugs!!!
Should be a fixable problem, probably a couple of hours work at least. Just needs a bit of Magic ;)
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pair of scissors 30 seconds ...........................
fringe gone...
PS I like being a heathen
;D ;D ;D
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started with it today and decided to start slow this is the first attempt to see how it went will do again tomorrow, although this is for my own benefit as they want the fringe off as the other end is missing a lot of strands.... a bit like the gaps in these photos but a lot worse
the flash shows them a lot lighter than they actually are, they still show a hit of colour
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1328900020_rug ccolour run5 001.JPG)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1328900050_rug6 001.JPG)
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Mike,I assume your near to Franklins.
Have you thought about getting the rug
Re-fringed.Assuming the pile responds
To treatment ask Franklins for a quote.
You should get trade rates taken to the door.
Doing it yourself,it might be more hastle
Than enough.The same thing can apply
To rug backings.They can be replaced,
Although usually repacement is the way
To go.
Lewis Doubtfire
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Lewis I spoke to Franklins yesterday and got the distinct feeling they are winding down the rug side of the business, they were supposed to get back to me
from first seeing these rugs I though i was too busy to do them so agreed with the customer that i would just arrange their packing and delivery ( Franklins no longer use Johnson dry cleaners as an agent)
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Who did you speak to ? Was it Mike Franklin,possibly Bill.
Does Bill still get actively involved with the company these
Days ?
I know David is no longer with us.
It`s quite awhile since I was over there.Mike told me his dad
Had had a stroke.
Find out properly whats happening.
Lewis Doubtfire
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Can someone whos knows about rugs id these for us.
I thought they are (the pic with the white towel) Pakistani Bokara (sp).
Could be wrong of course.
Thanks
Mark
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Mike,
What do you call, or where can you get the grey grid the rugs sitting on?
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Mark, impossible to tell just from the design because the design is Turkoman - but the Pakistan Bokhari is a copy of it so you'd need to inspect the construction and "feel" it I'd suggest ???
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i am always in a muddle but at least i am better looking than billy which is not difficult
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Mike,
What do you call, or where can you get the grey grid the rugs sitting on?
I bought it from Arco, don't know its name but it is sold as a walk way protector used in fish houses it is only 900mm wide so i have to lay 4 lengths side by side
Arco have a clearance sale every February, I bought it then really cheap.To buy at full price is was £8/m
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Mike,even at trade rates,Franklins would charge more than
What the rug is worth,possibly at the rugs price when new. ::)
Chemspec do a good reducing bleach,I used to use Stapro`s
`Sta-White`, now no longer made I think.
Lewis Doubtfire
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Good result on the tassels. For the rest of the rug, as a few others have said, Dave L told me sometimes you can saturation clean (hose method) and just keep going and eventually the loose dye will flush right out - wouldn't have thought it would out of the tassels though. But doing that and then the tassels the way you done would be a top result, a lot of work though.
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Mike,
What do you call, or where can you get the grey grid the rugs sitting on?
There called fatigue mats
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I would just like to say for anyone who is interested, the first rug is 100% a Pakistan Bokhara. These rugs DO NOT usually run. It is NOT an Afghan Bokhara as someone said (and these do not usually run either).
This rug is not worth bothering with as the value is zero second-hand.
The second rug is a South West Persian Abadeh. No great value, maybe £300- 400 retail.
Try to be nice to each other. :)
Robert
Always here to help.
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Would any one like to guess how much the customer paid for these rugs from a 'specialist dealer'
Ok..ok. I'll tell you
The runner was £650 and the large rug was £1700 this not bullpoo as they showed me the reciept
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I would just like to say for anyone who is interested, the first rug is 100% a Pakistan Bokhara. These rugs DO NOT usually run. It is NOT an Afghan Bokhara as someone said (and these do not usually run either).
This rug is not worth bothering with as the value is zero second-hand.
The second rug is a South West Persian Abadeh. No great value, maybe £300- 400 retail.
Try to be nice to each other. :)
Robert
LOL
Always here to help.
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Is this guy for real 7 ;D
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Looks like it, his website..
http://www.gallerynomad.co.uk/cleaning--restoration-29-c.asp
Be good to have someone like this contribute.
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I'v cleaned many of these rugs (perhaps between 50 to 70 over the years)...they are -were a very popular design perhaps costing between £300 to £500 depending who is selling them and the size.
One or two I recieved were perhaps cleaned by the custy and had run into the fringe. I told them it was thier problem.
One in particular was a flood damage rug which had run just like Mikes. I told her I could remove the dye but at the expence of the fringe losing its origional appearance. I told her it could be replaced at Franklins....which was then £1.80 per meter (not a lot).
She sent it off to Franklins.
Personally, I would never again get myself involved with this sort of situation.
Always before cleaning, I stabilize the dye/colour before cleaning. Perhaps significant that there is not a lot of call these days for this type of rug. A change from traditional and not many peops buying or using in my neck of the woods :)
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Looks like it, his website..
http://www.gallerynomad.co.uk/cleaning--restoration-29-c.asp
Be good to have someone like this contribute.
Ahh he has a rug badger ;D think he would be better off sticking to artefacts, or Dusty can continue giving him his info ::)
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Paul, Robert is actually quite an experienced rug guy (talking decades here) so a little respect required :)
In the same way that you are not a Prochem sales rep just because you have a few of their products, I don't think he is a dusty disciple ;) ;)
My opinion: Nobody can definitely identify a rug as specifically "XYZ Persian" without having it in their hands, although with some it is very obvious. If you looked at a photo of one I did a few months ago you'd have told me it was Persian and worth a fortune but it was a Chinese copy worth restoring but not a great deal more :)
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Jim
Your facts are correct about Robert as usual [ but veeeeeerrrrry experienced he is a fourth generation rug dealer/restorer.
dont push him away ;D
colin
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Thanks Robert.
Mark
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If you still have trouble with this rug ... ring me on
07554422838 or email me at pierre@artofclean.co.uk
Regards
Pierre
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Yer and Robert if your still not sure on identification then just give me a call.
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Stop it!
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I'm always here to help identify and give an idea of value to those of you who would like to learn.
For those of you who already know it all........good luck.
And bye the way, the Rug Badger is a great bit of kit for anyone who is serious about cleaning rugs. And my experience comes from over 30 years in the industry and my father who was a founder member of the CCA.
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Paul Moss have you a problem with Robert or am I missing something as your posts seem rude without just cause.
Mark
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Paul Moss have you a problem with Robert or am I missing something as your posts seem rude without just cause.
Mark
Come on Mark, this is Paul, he's always rude without just cause!!!!!
;D ;D ;D