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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: mark mids on February 05, 2012, 09:41:12 pm
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Hi Guys
I am taking the plunge this year and going down the WFP route after three years trad, I have looked at the different systems on offer and have decided to have a van mounted system, so i was under the impression that i needed an RO pluss a Di vessel as im in a hard water area, But when i dropped into the window cleaning wharehouse in wolverhampton the other day the guy say i only need a Di Vessel?? im getting more confused buy the day :P it would be better for me to just use a DI becuase i have got to run the water straight to the van! so this i hear would be quicker, But i want to be sure im gonna get pure water.
Any help or info would be great guys
cheers
Mark
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What do you mean you have to run the water straight to the van,
Are you having a static ro at home or in the van,
And whats your tds,
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You can't make any decision until you have tested to see what the tds of your water is..
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you need a tds meter. Find out wh.at your tds is and use a resin calculator to work out costs.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYDROPONIC-TEST-METER-TDS-HOLD-FUNCTION-/260946918717?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item3cc1a5fd3d
http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/De-Ionisation_Calculator.html
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Hi Guys
I am taking the plunge this year and going down the WFP route after three years trad, I have looked at the different systems on offer and have decided to have a van mounted system, so i was under the impression that i needed an RO pluss a Di vessel as im in a hard water area, But when i dropped into the window cleaning wharehouse in wolverhampton the other day the guy say i only need a Di Vessel?? im getting more confused buy the day :P it would be better for me to just use a DI becuase i have got to run the water straight to the van! so this i hear would be quicker, But i want to be sure im gonna get pure water.
Any help or info would be great guys
cheers
Mark
Mark,
I dont know why they tell people local to them that they only need di. They are not bad to deal with and some good prices.
But yes in walsall if your south staffs water you need to ro first.
Are you putting everything in your van or are you going to make the water and store it in an ibc or similar at your home?
Art
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ok, im gonna get one of those TDS thingys tomora and test the water, When i say im gonna feed the water straight to the the van, this is because i live in a flat (bottom floor) and have no room to store water tanks!
so what ever i do it has to all be fitted into the van.
Cheers for the replys guys :)
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If you want to make the water on board, you will have to have a 4040 imo, that will make the water fast
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cheers steven, i dont want to pose as thick lol but whats one of those and what do i do with it? does it cost much? i got a budget of £800
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Its a 40" ro, it makes pure water fast, but there quite exspensive, £500ish
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£500 :o thats a bit out of the budget lol
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im only looking to make about 250l a day at the mo, gonna trad the bottoms.
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If you could have a static tank at home, you could have a cheaper ro , because it can run all day when your at work, they are very slow
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They are slow but make water at a better quality, if you've got a holding tank then get a 300 gpd system and run it 24/7 better to make water slower and better quality than super fast with a higher tds!
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I've got a Merlin system in my van with a resin DI because I also live in a flat (12 floors up) and the water is metered anyway. Like you, I was told by a local janitorial supplier I only needed a DI which was a load of .........................
My biggest problem is water supply. There's a mains tap in the carpark but that means going downstairs every evening for anything between 30 minutes and an hour and a half.
As I only got a Transit Connect at the moment, I use 5 X 25 ltr barrels along with a 30ltr trolley system. I use the one made by Gardiners and it does the job brilliantly. I can use it either from the van or as a trolley.
I do uppers WFP and often, but not always, downstairs trad. On my own I've only ever used the whole lot of water in one day. I've got to know the customers that are not on a meter and if they are at work, I have the merlin running while I'm cleaning their windows. It takes me about 3 or 4 minutes to get it up and running and it sits in my van in an old recycle bin in case of any leaks.
The merlin is a compact unit and is easy to move from the van to indoors if temperatures are to go below freezing.
My whole setup - Merlin RO, DI, Ionics pole, Gardiner trolley and all associated connectors etc, cost £925.
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hi rosskesava
is this your system? http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Pure_Water_Trolley_Systems.html
And what make is your merlin?
cheers
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http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/shop/merlin-ro/merlin-ro-system.html
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hi rosskesava
is this your system? http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Pure_Water_Trolley_Systems.html
And what make is your merlin?
cheers
Mark - that's the one.
It's about the best trolley I've used so far. I've made 2 changes to it though.
The battery could only be charged on the trolley and was stuck down with double sided sticky tabs. I replaced that with velcro so as I can remove the battery and charge it indoors. I had to buy the same female connecter as on the trolley and a couple of spaid connectors for the battery which cost maybe a two quid from maplins.
The hose the trolley came with was 8mm (I think) and not very long which apart from the length issue, it emptied the trolley at an alarming speed. I changed it for 100m of microbore.
The merlin is made by merlin and I bought mine here:
http://www.cleaningspot.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000002.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww.cleaningspot.co.uk%2facatalog%2finfo.html&WD=merlin&PN=RO_Systems.html%23aRO10G#aRO10G
That was the cheapest price I found in the uk. Also, if you do buy a Merlin, buy the John Guest to Hoselock connectors for it as it'll make life easier.
Cheers
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
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It'll depend on the TDS (total disolved solids) in the area around where you live and yes, it would give zero tds to start with but for how long?
If the tap water around here was 90 then I'd be using just resin in a DI container but it's not, it's around 300 so I'd go through resin at an incredible rate.
I don't know how to put this but often claims are made on forums that have an element of truth but quite often..... as in 'I earn £400 a day' and so on, there's no way to verify them.
Buy a TDS meter (about a tenner) and check the water where you live. If it's low, try just a DI unit and see for yourself what costs are involved.
Even if you buy a Merlin, you'll still need a DI unit/container so you won't be wasting a penny by buying one although you may waste money on the resin to go in it if the tds is high.
Cheers
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
Yep, that "other guy" was me ;D
What you forgot to cut & paste was the post I was quoting- who was "another guy" with a tds of 65ppm ;D
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
Yep, that "other guy" was me ;D
What you forgot to cut & paste was the post I was quoting- who was "another guy" with a tds of 65ppm ;D
you will love my post on another thread then lol :-X
Edited I didnt post it ;D although i dont agree that the way your doing it is cheaper
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Hi ain't read all replays so sorry if it's a repeat.
For the extra money outplaying in an ro system it will save in the long run.
He prob told you to get di only as he knows u may come bk all the time for resin quicker than you would if you ro and di.. The harder the water the more your resin is under strain therefor will be spent quicker costing you more with you know who.
We have to vans, one in a hard one in a soft water area, both are 40/40 ro machines not changed the resin in nearly 2 and half years,, I strongly advise you go and get a ro and di system, if you do brodex are fantastic, we have the option to flush and fill at the same time there for giving even more life to the ro membrains, you need to flush a ro system to clean the filters so we have auto shut offs when it's full, so both vans fill through the night while flushing.
Try and stay away from the white tank DIY kits, totall junk, nut sed.
Hope that helps my man
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Hi ain't read all replays so sorry if it's a repeat.
For the extra money outplaying in an ro system it will save in the long run.
He prob told you to get di only as he knows u may come bk all the time for resin quicker than you would if you ro and di.. The harder the water the more your resin is under strain therefor will be spent quicker costing you more with you know who.
We have to vans, one in a hard one in a soft water area, both are 40/40 ro machines not changed the resin in nearly 2 and half years,, I strongly advise you go and get a ro and di system, if you do brodex are fantastic, we have the option to flush and fill at the same time there for giving even more life to the ro membrains, you need to flush a ro system to clean the filters so we have auto shut offs when it's full, so both vans fill through the night while flushing.
Try and stay away from the white tank DIY kits, totall junk, nut sed.
Hope that helps my man
I was going to agree with what you said then, till brodex was mentioned and the white tank diy kits then it all went out of the window.
most of the systems have white tanks.
I agree on the 4040, but would have static not in the van as thats just weight that doesnt need to be in there nor does the rest of the stuff.
ro and di is cheaper long term, winpro I guess does it this way so he can be lazy and fair play to him, I do the same thing but I use a 4040 because I am in a very hard water area and I know it would eat the resin.
for cost the ro imo would be the cheaper option.
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
Yep, that "other guy" was me ;D
What you forgot to cut & paste was the post I was quoting- who was "another guy" with a tds of 65ppm ;D
you will love my post on another thread then lol :-X
Edited I didnt post it ;D although i dont agree that the way your doing it is cheaper
OK OK OK, I do suspect that in this case, the guy, once his water has been tested will require an RO.
BUT.... read my post. My original post (on another forum) was in response to someone with a tds of 65ppm.
Now, my tds is 90ppm & I use at the max, 3 full bags of resin in a whole year! So, lets say my total purification costs per year are a maximum of £225.
The benefits I get doing it this way are as follows-
No outlay for an RO & all the gubbins that go with it.
No static storage tank to store & freeze.
No booster pump, transfer hose to freeze.
No flushing, no plumbing issues, no changing membranes.
No waste water charges (not that I'm on a meter anyway but many are)
I can fill my tank from "ANY" tap & have instant pure water (there are no domestic water meters in Scotland so topping up in-situ if required isn't an issue)
I fill my tank from the mains supply which takes me approx 15 minutes when I return home- and that's it 'till the next day, nothing else to do.
Now, put yourself in that position & add up the costs in both monitory & time terms that I would incur if I used an RO & I am actually better off without an RO- don't you think? Think hard about it. ;)
I reckon it may cost some people £225 in waste water alone per year! :o
Remember, my maximum costs are £225 per year.
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Ionics site do hard water area map may give you idea of hard or soft water.. TDS is best to check.
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I have a Ionic Pro5 set of filters, housings and hoses if you want to make an offer? It will give you years of 000pm water filtration.
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cheers for all the help guys its been a great help,
I have decided to go with the GE Merlin ro.
:)
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
Yep, that "other guy" was me ;D
What you forgot to cut & paste was the post I was quoting- who was "another guy" with a tds of 65ppm ;D
you will love my post on another thread then lol :-X
Edited I didnt post it ;D although i dont agree that the way your doing it is cheaper
OK OK OK, I do suspect that in this case, the guy, once his water has been tested will require an RO.
BUT.... read my post. My original post (on another forum) was in response to someone with a tds of 65ppm.
Now, my tds is 90ppm & I use at the max, 3 full bags of resin in a whole year! So, lets say my total purification costs per year are a maximum of £225.
The benefits I get doing it this way are as follows-
No outlay for an RO & all the gubbins that go with it.
No static storage tank to store & freeze.
No booster pump, transfer hose to freeze.
No flushing, no plumbing issues, no changing membranes.
No waste water charges (not that I'm on a meter anyway but many are)
I can fill my tank from "ANY" tap & have instant pure water (there are no domestic water meters in Scotland so topping up in-situ if required isn't an issue)
I fill my tank from the mains supply which takes me approx 15 minutes when I return home- and that's it 'till the next day, nothing else to do.
Now, put yourself in that position & add up the costs in both monitory & time terms that I would incur if I used an RO & I am actually better off without an RO- don't you think? Think hard about it. ;)
I reckon it may cost some people £225 in waste water alone per year! :o
Remember, my maximum costs are £225 per year.
Can I take this as a "nuff said" then? ;D
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
Yep, that "other guy" was me ;D
What you forgot to cut & paste was the post I was quoting- who was "another guy" with a tds of 65ppm ;D
you will love my post on another thread then lol :-X
Edited I didnt post it ;D although i dont agree that the way your doing it is cheaper
OK OK OK, I do suspect that in this case, the guy, once his water has been tested will require an RO.
BUT.... read my post. My original post (on another forum) was in response to someone with a tds of 65ppm.
Now, my tds is 90ppm & I use at the max, 3 full bags of resin in a whole year! So, lets say my total purification costs per year are a maximum of £225.
The benefits I get doing it this way are as follows-
No outlay for an RO & all the gubbins that go with it.
No static storage tank to store & freeze.
No booster pump, transfer hose to freeze.
No flushing, no plumbing issues, no changing membranes.
No waste water charges (not that I'm on a meter anyway but many are)
I can fill my tank from "ANY" tap & have instant pure water (there are no domestic water meters in Scotland so topping up in-situ if required isn't an issue)
I fill my tank from the mains supply which takes me approx 15 minutes when I return home- and that's it 'till the next day, nothing else to do.
Now, put yourself in that position & add up the costs in both monitory & time terms that I would incur if I used an RO & I am actually better off without an RO- don't you think? Think hard about it. ;)
I reckon it may cost some people £225 in waste water alone per year! :o
Remember, my maximum costs are £225 per year.
Can I take this as a "nuff said" then? ;D
No I have just got in, and not had a chance to read yet ;D
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;D ;D ;D
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
Yep, that "other guy" was me ;D
What you forgot to cut & paste was the post I was quoting- who was "another guy" with a tds of 65ppm ;D
you will love my post on another thread then lol :-X
Edited I didnt post it ;D although i dont agree that the way your doing it is cheaper
OK OK OK, I do suspect that in this case, the guy, once his water has been tested will require an RO.BUT.... read my post. My original post (on another forum) was in response to someone with a tds of 65ppm.
Now, my tds is 90ppm & I use at the max, 3 full bags of resin in a whole year! So, lets say my total purification costs per year are a maximum of £225.
The benefits I get doing it this way are as follows-
No outlay for an RO & all the gubbins that go with it.
No static storage tank to store & freeze.
No booster pump, transfer hose to freeze.
No flushing, no plumbing issues, no changing membranes.
Can I take this as a "nuff said" then? ;D
Ok Ok OK nuff Said ;D ;D ;D
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White tank junk.
Brodex tanks ate best on market over the last 3 years they have really opened the pace on wfp tanks.
And all the weight. Pphhffftttt. The tank is not that heavy, the only other things which would be out of the van would be a 40/40 filter and a resin bottle, what u on bout man...anyway we have twin axle sprinters. Weight, what weight
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This Is what some guy from another forum said
""You see, I would have twin 11 ltr DI's with that TDS ( as I do ). I have DI's on board & purify on-demand (which is important to resin life). My TDS is approx 85/90ppm.
I have a 400ltr van mount & only use 3 bags of resin per year max!
I can fill my tank from "any" tap in 10/15 minutes, no replacement membranes, no static tank, no booster pump, none of these to freeze etc etc. So, when you weigh these thing up + your costs of equipment & filters (RO) 3 bags of resin per year seems good value to me. No RO & none of the cost & hassle that goes with it for the grand total of £210 max per year! ""
Would this give you zero tds???
Yep, that "other guy" was me ;D
What you forgot to cut & paste was the post I was quoting- who was "another guy" with a tds of 65ppm ;D
you will love my post on another thread then lol :-X
Edited I didnt post it ;D although i dont agree that the way your doing it is cheaper
OK OK OK, I do suspect that in this case, the guy, once his water has been tested will require an RO.BUT.... read my post. My original post (on another forum) was in response to someone with a tds of 65ppm.
Now, my tds is 90ppm & I use at the max, 3 full bags of resin in a whole year! So, lets say my total purification costs per year are a maximum of £225.
The benefits I get doing it this way are as follows-
No outlay for an RO & all the gubbins that go with it.
No static storage tank to store & freeze.
No booster pump, transfer hose to freeze.
No flushing, no plumbing issues, no changing membranes.
Can I take this as a "nuff said" then? ;D
Ok Ok OK nuff Said ;D ;D ;D
And the green bit? :)
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ive got a white tank . but i think i will paint it now , 8 years of using a junk tank , wish id known sooner . whivh is the best colour ;)
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I know mate crap ain't they, go for red mate, pretend it's brodex
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White tank junk.
Brodex tanks ate best on market over the last 3 years they have really opened the pace on wfp tanks.
And all the weight. Pphhffftttt. The tank is not that heavy, the only other things which would be out of the van would be a 40/40 filter and a resin bottle, what u on bout man...anyway we have twin axle sprinters. Weight, what weight
have you have lost the plot, best on the market hahahahaha your a joker thats clear. You need a twin axle van for the weight, try to update dude your well behind on the up to date tech in our business.
forgive me if I am wrong have you just updated your poles after years of using heavy ones ?