Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: richard jagger on February 05, 2012, 04:31:11 pm
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If may be so bold as to offer my input with Catherine in mind: I think tele sales is not marketing in any shape and form. That will explain why you are getting frustrated.
Marketing is the the plan one put in place from the first conception of a good idea and the path you want it to go.
Try to involve your market at all times.They can guide you indirectly to the gold pot of success.
AS I see it, this soft ware still like a beta version and needs a lot of finishing work to make it ready for sending it to market.
Give your market some credit they know what they need.This window cleaning market is not ready for for cloud technology yet there is still too many questions not answered.It has great potential for the writer as he can make a monthly income as he will control the data.Which would not be in the interest of the user and give the writer to much control.
I also think your price is that of a product the has proved its self in the market and not a beta looking one.Your first edition should be no more than £150 P.A. Then add value with upgrades this is down by communicating with your clients and listening to there needs and developing a answer to those needs. Always look towards your markets need and wants. In crease the value in this way and the price will be able to go up. E.G Bill Gates is still selling the same windows after 16 years.
Catherine it would be wise to forget about telesales ideas for this project as it brings along a lot of frustration.It is a to "demand and expect " environment and will not help you bring this product to a needy market.
I am not trying to teach you but with good intentions to help you succeed in your goal. ;)
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Sorry Wizkid telesales for what? the software, havent done that for 3 years. I have my own business, but as I dont have a link (because I would be stalking people) ;D Appreciate your advice.
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With all respect due you. I find your tele sales back ground confusing your focus to marketing your app.
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Thats ok Wiz, I run a telemarketing business in this industry, I dont know if you know of my website, but it would be a little rude to advertise on here seeing as I dont pay for that. The business is going well. The software issues go back to around 4 years ago when I first joined this site. So my business is not connected with software - I was doing some work for a friend? Does that clear it up? Im no marketing expert but I do an ok job in what I do, I think......
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what the hells cloud technology it must be good to excite everyone so much ????
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kybl do you use google or yahoo and you can log in anywhere? Its that really, just log in wherever you are. I use google to share data with, because I cant be shunting backwards and forwards 20 000 records everyday. All it is is your information is backed up on a server.
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can she really be helped ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No FBB no help since I saw that photo of you in the snow a couple of years ago ;D
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what the hells cloud technology it must be good to excite everyone so much ????
The basic answer is that cloud technology is where the software is on the internet rather than on your hard drive.
Pros and cons:
PROS: The software can be used on any computer regardless of operating system. Your data is available from anywhere and there is no risk of losing it - though data on a hard drive should always be backed up anyway. There may not be an initial outlay for the software - though there could be. There would probably be no need to pay for software upgrades as new operating systems come along and old ones pass into disuse.
CONS: To make money the software author would charge a rental fee to access the software. Your access to your data could potentially depend on making these payments too. The author may choose to increase the rental price. The author may feel that they need not upgrade/update the software. There may possibly be no data export facility which would allow you to change to another piece of software. If the author goes broke you may lose all your data (unless you have a facility to download to your hard drive - hopefully as a .csv file). The author can determine what format the data is kept in and could potentially choose to use a proprietary format to make migration very difficult.
The best workaround IMO (if you don't want to be cloud based) is to ensure that up to date data is kept on your hard drive and that you have a bit of your own web space to keep backups (this guards against losing data in the event of a fire). Free (usually ad sponsored) web storage space is available if funds are tight.
I don't have great knowledge of such things and have tried to present a fair summary. Please add/remove/correct stuff as applicable.
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Good post Paul
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No FBB no help since I saw that photo of you in the snow a couple of years ago ;D
want to see the new me ;)
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Ew not sure, is it gruesome? You are funny FBB
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Cathrine 10 I wrote in response to your software you said you were trying to promote and that you get frustrated. This was blocked and i then posted this thread.I think you conveniently do not understand what I am saying due to you been under the weather the night before. I can see why the chaps are fed up with you and your confusing ways of doing things. If its this industry you are selling for you are messing up all your chances of more business from this side.
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Wizkid I dont need business do you know what I do?
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correct me if Im wrong but I thought this forum was a window cleaning site for window cleaners mmmmmmmmmm :-\
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rscleaning I have nothing to do with this industry
www.canvassers4cleaners.co.uk
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Wizkid I have potentially 20 clients to deal with this week so much to the point im going to have to outsource
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Wizkid I have potentially 20 clients to deal with this week so much to the point im going to have to outsource
you and richard?
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No Kevin I have about 10 clients to get through next week and I need help to do that, dont understand whats wrong with that?
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Oh well one of my lads has gone out to quote on a site with 30 buildings and I need help how hilarious
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Second bottle? ;D
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no third
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No Kevin I have about 10 clients to get through next week and I need help to do that, dont understand whats wrong with that?
? ;D ;D????
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Catherine I don't care what you do if its not to do with industry you should not be on this forum. You have the most amazing way to rub people up wrong.You seem to talk down at people, Every minute I communicate with you I am not worming to you.You seem to thick to understand when some one was trying to help and you turn on this attitude stuff. You have no problem trying to turn the attention to yourself. You seem to forget your drunken out burst the other day. Your apologies are shallow and have no value to me and i am sure many of the rest of the guys. I will not be responding to any of your insincere drivel. Good luck with your future false life.
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Wiz Im not bothered - how much do you want to put me down?
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Catherine I don't care what you do if its not to do with industry you should not be on this forum. You have the most amazing way to rub people up wrong.You seem to talk down at people, Every minute I communicate with you I am not worming to you.You seem to thick to understand when some one was trying to help and you turn on this attitude stuff. You have no problem trying to turn the attention to yourself. You seem to forget your drunken out burst the other day. Your apologies are shallow and have no value to me and i am sure many of the rest of the guys. I will not be responding to any of your insincere drivel. Good luck with your future false life.
;D
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Gosh Wiz im talking down to people dont you think your are talking down to me, amazing
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Help for Catherine and Im patronising Jesus
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Catherine I don't care what you do if its not to do with industry you should not be on this forum. You have the most amazing way to rub people up wrong.You seem to talk down at people, Every minute I communicate with you I am not worming to you.You seem to thick to understand when some one was trying to help and you turn on this attitude stuff. You have no problem trying to turn the attention to yourself. You seem to forget your drunken out burst the other day. Your apologies are shallow and have no value to me and i am sure many of the rest of the guys. I will not be responding to any of your insincere drivel. Good luck with your future false life.
That's just plain rude and is in the same manner that your complaining about.
I've read far worse on this forum than anything that Catherine writes but they don't seem to get the same stick. I'm not sticking up for the lady, just pointing it out.
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Wizkid you dont communicate with me you never have - why are you getting so gussy I have never had a conversation with you, if I put people down how comes Im struggling next week to provide a service for the lads that are on my books???? Im so crap that I have to outsource and need some help - assumptions again and you are being rude. You know nothing whatsoever about my business and how it runs nothing at all, and I find it offensive also
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for gods sake give it a rest. Three nights in a row now.
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It is driving me mad. This is supposed to be an informative and supportive forum but I am feeling wound up by what is going on and from the look of other post everyone else is.
Lets just pack it in and leave it out.
No one is really that interested so lets move on!
End of...
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We lost Cozy with all his industry experience, for this human being (to quote Dave) and they want to know how to make Clean it up better. Beggars belief don't it.
Art
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No Cozy is free to post not sure where your getting that from, I never once complained assumptions again
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No, he was banned after several run ins with you.
I speak with him on matts forum.
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Thats fine Lee but before you again make assumptions I never once wrote to admin about Cozy never so dont blame me because it never happened.I never put in a complaint I did nothing. But you have already automatically blamed me
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Thats fine Lee but before you again make assumptions I never once wrote to admin about Cozy never so dont blame me because it never happened.I never put in a complaint I did nothing. But you have already automatically blamed me
Hey thats as maybe. The ban may have been from admin
Cozy is not against ripping anyone. But this place is poorer? without established guys input. Your rants do not do anything for ciu apart from set yourself up as sport for all to have a go at. Shame, really.
Art
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cvozyyywas banned for another reason, but trust me he is never far away ;D
but to be fair wizkid started this post and it is patronising IMO, not that I am interested in mobile cloud based technology, I logged on and tried it, and it isn't for me
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Lee I never complained about Cozy not once. It must have come from somewhere else as it wasnt me
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catherine just logged off and do yourself a favour,
before it get messy again for you ;)
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cvozyyywas banned for another reason, but trust me he is never far away ;D
No sh!t Shylock ;D ;D
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thanks to paul & catherine for the info i'd never heard of cloud technology before this jolly thread
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4th ? ;D
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cvozyyywas banned for another reason, but trust me he is never far away ;D
No sh!t Shylock ;D ;D
;D ;D
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Got your keyboard sorted then Stu?
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NOT yet matt, I have to keep removing keys to get it to work ;D
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Can you not plug a keyboard in, Im using a laptop with a keyboard plugged in at the mo.
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Can you not plug a keyboard in, Im using a laptop with a keyboard plugged in at the mo.
yes doing that at the minute, but my laptop key board just starts self typing, it has taking me 4 attempts to reply to this as I keep getting a page of yyyyyyyyyyyyy sorted that but not sure what letter will come next
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A hijacked keyboard, sure you havent got a poltergeist?
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oh gawd I will never sleep tonight ;D thanks
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well account deleted again ???
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Gosh! ???
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Unfortunately she doesn't know how to handle the lions den.
Shame but there you go
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that bird can pick a fight in a phone box steve. drink and open forums dont mix.
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I know her well, she should stay off here if she can't handle it.
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It's not all down to her; she got enough replies and seperate threads.
I didn't agree with her original post but it didn't bother me. If you don't like what she's selling or saying, ignore it.
I just felt it went a bit far.
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I agree.
Yup. It all went a bit too far.
I cannot understand what she's ever said that is so far off the scale to warrant a pack like attack.
I may not agree with her and I don't get where she's coming from but at least she hasn't been out and out and blatantly nasty like some of the postings on this thread and others.
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Ross
Its the same pack every time
No respect for no one especially women
Unfortunately I can't be here 24 hours To help
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I agree, but also, as I keep telling her, there are ways and means of handling situations on here but she let's people run wild. It probably don't help with the emotional reactions she has ;D
I told her to watch how Alex gardiner plays the forum. As much as he's liked he still gets some crap. But never rises to the bait. How many other suppliers have thrown their toys out of the pram never to be seen again? She just can't seem to help herself.
This place has always had its fair share of keyboard warriors, just can't see why people take it so personal. It's only a forum at the end of the day, it can be fun watching the fireworks though and even now and then creating some :)
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This lady should try reading her threads she wrote when she is out of her tree.She might understand were the flack comes from the next day when she is sobered up.The day after she has no recollection of what she got up too the night before.She is always trying to plug her business and manipulates the conversation so you will ask her about her business so she can create an opportunity to bit up herself and plug her business free of charge. Unfortunately she does not have the ability to achieve this and people see through her game.
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This lady should try reading her threads she wrote when she is out of her tree.She might understand were the flack comes from the next day when she is sobered up.The day after she has no recollection of what she got up too the night before.She is always trying to plug her business and manipulates the conversation so you will ask her about her business so she can create an opportunity to bit up herself and plug her business free of charge. Unfortunately she does not have the ability to achieve this and people see through her game.
Even if this is true, two wrongs don't make a right. By all means, have a discussion about the subject- even if you strongly disgree- but it went beyond that.
If you can't do that, then just ignore her posts. And questioning her drinking is a little unfair.
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She is always trying to plug her business and manipulates the conversation so you will ask her about her business so she can create an opportunity to bit up herself and plug her business free of charge. Unfortunately she does not have the ability to achieve this and people see through her game.
I know this not to be true, she has no need to plug herself on the telesales side, most of the forum members on here are not gonna be her target audience for commercial canvassing. Most are happy on the domestic side of the business, The main guys she deals with are the ones who can see the benifit in chucking money at building commercial links.
As for this Midas programme she probably got frustrated that people are asking for something thats already there (well most part of it amyways) She shouldn't come on here and vent the way she does at certain times of the night shall we say ;) but she does get sucked into the minority who are waiting with baited breath to lynch her when she does.
I know how Kate is motivated and it isn't by money. She goes out of her way to help people she works with and is always straight down the line. There isn't a manipulative bone in her body. There are a few strings that can be pulled though with her and thats why she shouldn't react to the trash talk on here as she does. I don't think she will ever learn, so probably best to stay away.
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good post. strange to be in the business she is and have such an attitude with potential customers though. i would expect she will be back in a couple of weeks and it will all start again at some point.
i honestly dont think that members were waiting with baited breath for her to post anything. she only popped up on the radar when she got into one of her famous hissy fits then made things worse by getting drunk in the middle of it.
some people learn from mistakes and some dont. look at the wfp verses trad threads. its usually the same guys in the same shouting matches. forums are a bad place to have a weakness and let everyone see what that weakness is. not nice but true.
maybe some members will miss her for different reasons. i found her tantrums funny reading.
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good post. strange to be in the business she is and have such an attitude with potential customers though.
I do agree with that.
But the stick she gets tends to snowball.
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Pathetic bunch of kids picking ona woman. No matter if she tad annoying, doesn't deserve that.
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This lady should try reading her threads she wrote when she is out of her tree.She might understand were the flack comes from the next day when she is sobered up.The day after she has no recollection of what she got up too the night before.She is always trying to plug her business and manipulates the conversation so you will ask her about her business so she can create an opportunity to bit up herself and plug her business free of charge. Unfortunately she does not have the ability to achieve this and people see through her game.
Why do you keep banging on about her drinking....do you know she is a heavy drinker as you seem to infer or are you just making assumptions?
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good post. strange to be in the business she is and have such an attitude with potential customers though.
I do agree with that.
But the stick she gets tends to snowball.
i think you find that people dont forget,and have long memories
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Ross
Its the same pack every time
No respect for no one especially women
Unfortunately I can't be here 24 hours To help
Look Dave - I don't know what influence you have but getting anything done on this forum is so slow - we've asked and been asked about more moderators but nothing seems to happen.
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In my opinion cathrine 10 whatever her name is just asks for trouble. Nothing to do with being a woman, she just seems to want the last word and can't help herself, gets all uppity over a product nobody understands and can't give simple polite answers. She finishes her arguments with the usual willy waving 'my business is massive, I have so much work i don't know what to do" just like many other billy ballpoopers do on this forum.
We have other lady members who visit and post now and again like Mrs A or indeed Helen who can communicate in a polite manner and command total respect on here.
She'll be back by Friday because she needs to feed from us and plug her business - this forum has too many contacts for her to ignore.
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Malc
Will you be a Mod
Y or N ?
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Now your here Dave,
Why is this post still live ?
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Malc
Will you be a Mod
Y or N ?
yes he will ;)
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just replying to malc, got in 30 mins ago
locked
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no it aint lol
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no it aint lol
;D lol Art